Hahaha does that explain why these hooligans have been behaving like this for decades? 😭

@@khoyrulislam Actually, if you compare how it is now to how it was in the 70s, 80s & 90s- football hooliganism has improved, not stayed the same. But in the context of this report, stating it has gotten worse in the past few years, you can see how social-economic deprivation has exacerbated this issue, it is at the root of the problem

We've always said football is a microcosm of society, if people feel they can get away with something they'll generally do it again and again

Yes m8

Excuses excuses, however black kids caught up in drug warfare? You’d be much more critical

Totally agree

Everyones on it in the UK. Albanians are smashing it.

​@Jack Dobson isn't it expensive?

@@youshouldntdothis5747 Very

No it isn't

Prescription drugs are alot more dangerous than pure cocaine...especially the opioid tablets mixed with alcohol

Drugs in general. Mentions class A drugs such as cocaine, but even THC can exacerbate aggression and antisocial behaviour.

@@skycloud4802 no it does not 🤣

MP Tracy Crouch's supposedly fan led review tried to get alcohol allowed within sight of the pitch. A dreadful idea.

@@skycloud4802 shut up

So where's the fighting?

Absolutely right!!

@@wanderlusterer442 Most of them aren't up for it.Just like hanging tough abusing the Stewards/Police.who quite unreasonably risk their own necks protecting them from the real 'top boys'

Give over

Yawn!!...You were laying the groundwork to blame brexit next😂😂😂

and still had football violence when labour was in charge, so dont just blame the tories

​@@peterramsden3134 ah the classic response to objective irrefutable facts about the tories - "but labour"

​@Jamie Agnew The problem isn't who is in power. Many of these kids are probably middle class and well off. It's down to the way these kids are brought up with no moral framework to live by.

All the world's issues are Thatcher's fault . Dear old Maggie is certainly given a lot of implied power by some .

@@jamieagnew1608 labour are the reason we suffered through lockdowns. if the "ToRiEs" had their way, the country would have remained operational. You can't blame the boogieman for everything 😂

thats how a modern creche fight works.

Bro us a kid where were u in 80 ,86,90

Was like that back in the day too. I once saw uncut footage of 80s football violence and it looked more silly than scary. Absolutely laughable. All on the drink and wouldn't do a single thing without the drink and back up

​@☆𝔍𝔬𝔥𝔫 ℜ𝔲𝔡𝔡𝔶☭ True, I know not as many cameras but never see much fighting in 80s England either - now if you look at Italy France Balkans etc..there is plenty - and heavier police action there

@@saraprva4172 if you look on KZfaq it's around. It was two relatively "hard" known groups and they were pulling at shirts and swirling around and flailing like people who've clearly never fought before on the terraces. It was beyond pathetic it resembled the fight in that romcom starring Hugh Grant and that bloke who played the nazti king. And I want to hear no nonsense that these people are "working class" either. When most people getting knicked for hooliganism are bankers and construction workers on good pay that's not working class. Not even a little bit. For every 100 hooligans one will be genuinely hard 5 will be relatively game for a scrap (once the drink and the back up kicks in) and the rest are just out and out cowards.

Good comment

They’ve Ruined a good label

I want one

@@michaelames736 Bury New Road, Manchester. Knock offs for £50

@Palestine Adesanya I'm goin there thankyou

From who/what?

Government puppets that lie about everything. Kill your television. They don't want you to know the truth what's really going on

Protecting the country from ? Some people have 😂 wild imaginations or 🍟 on the shoulder

@@kevphillips02 From dafty's like you.When were you born,don't say 02.

@@kevphillips02 wake up bud

Not strange at all, because they are completely different drugs with completely different affects.

@@ryank3321 look up the word irony in the dictionary it may help you understand English culture/language.

I don't need to look up anything, I think the claim that football hooliganism went away during the acid house years is all a load of anecdotal nonsense, English teams were banned from European competition for 5 years from 1985 to 1990 after Heysel, so there wasn't any opportunity to go and smash up some city centre on the continent in the late 80s anyway, and when Italia 90 came along the English hooligans descended on Italy in their 10s of thousands and went on a rampage, and in 1993 hundreds of England fans were arrested in Rotterdam before the game, then set fire to the stand in the game. If anything the ban on standing in English stadiums following the Hillsborough disaster could have been what led to a reduction in domestic incidents (if there even was any reduction)

They government allowed es on the street to quell the violence in my opinion

@@ryank3321nah it definitely did, i was there..

Wait until they get on the meth

It is the lockdowns that caused this. A loss of in person social interaction leads to frustrations, anger and scenes like this.

I'd probably get a better job or go and study instead of wasting £100 on beers and trains every weekend just to stand there asking someone for a fight, then running off when they come anywhere near...

It’s easy to blame on lock down, but that doesn’t explain the football hooliganism of the 1970s and 80s

@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 That was through a different social and cultural ideology back then. Sadly its one that most of continental Europe are stuck in.

Brilliant comment, also just think of all the money that gets wasted on our council tax on football policing, this government needs to concentrate on all this.knife crime that is cutting short a lot of innocent peoples lives.Foitball policing is where the tax payers money is been wasted big time

In parliament ,you are correct.

You right there m8 more traces of sniff in the bogs in house of commons than yah local boozer on a Saturday night😂😂😂

Spot on. I think they also know how many views chucking "cocaine" next to football will net, so they try to draw the parallels between cocaine and football violence without looking at the socio-economic factors that lead to lads getting high and punching on at a game.

Any lines they can get their hands on or work with too😅

It's all a buzz until you're picking your teeth up off the floor

Tru Say,Mi Bredda..

Hahaha 👍

Exactly, you have the inside track💣

Loads of laughs! !!!!!😅

😂😂😂

@Trevor Distance 😂😂😂

In your opinion. Why? How? When?

@@edfash9976 for decades now

It's gone worse as well over the last 10 years or so..

Its cos if how depressing life is even if you got money

​@@edfash9976that's not an opinion that's fact. A large number of the homeless have no teeth and that's not because they have a poor dental plan at work. You only have to walk down the high streets (what's left of them) and you're walking past someone stinking of the stuff. And if the stuff that basically using your eyes to see isn't good enough for you the police and other organisations that deal with drug abuse release their stats every year! The drug violence related deaths are through the roof as well.

I've been attending football regularly since the 1990/91 season, while I've seen some trouble in the past, mostly away from the grounds and never reported on, I've seen far more trouble in the last couple of years. It was increasing pre-Covid and is even worse now. A lot of it is gobby kids now and they're a real pain. I know a lad who was in the Naughty Forty at Stoke, they kept the fighting away from those who weren't interested, not like these lot. They're less tough these days but more in your face.

I 100% agree go back to the late 70s early 80s firms was in there thousands not like it is now !!

@An0n3mu55what club?

Yeah media under pressure to survive. Making any story bigger or just make stories up even. Connecting football and drug usage there you got your clickbait. Come up with some "data" interview a copper and you have your report ready to go

And they can't blame it on cannabis because that just relaxes and knocks people out,a drug which has even been legalised in Thailand now of all.places,and should be legalised here..

Oh come on. Anyone with half a brain knows that if cocaine is involved a fight is more likely to break out, same with alcohol.

@@i_know_youre_right_but i think these guys would fancy a fight regardless of cocaine consumption just coke makes feel a bit harder. theres not really much you can do you cant really ban these drugs its a fight you cant win putting criminal records on these people just makes it less likely they will turn things around. But you know it keeps coppers looking busy and not accountable for genuine causes that they claim to represent.

​@@i_know_youre_right_but you're wrong

@@TWW-zk9gw explain

What's that got to do with football? Theirs always been a class/cultural difference between the fanbase

No one cares

@@John-gx2ry if you don’t care, then why are you replying?

@@notmenotme614 because your implication that rugby fans are better than football fans has zero merit. Stop commenting on football issues as a rugby fan. It's obvious the two are entirely different worlds. Doesn't make anyone better. But by all means, if it makes you feel superior👍 crack on

To be fair I'm assuming this is rugby union, you do get a bit of violence with rugby league especially between rival teams.

well thats easy , ban the kilt

Accies are massive ft well

Scotland a different country no one cares about Scotland honestly

@@user-wc8is6jx5z so why even mention scotland then you ding

True thee will be no fight 👍

I feel like it’s a general problem in the whole of the uk

Look up Oldham v Wrexham. There was a 15 minute street battle which continued even when the police turned up

@@alynwillams4297 Yes but they are the ones that organise a meet away from the ground. I’m talking about the wannabes that get involved in chest beating either side of the police and stewards in the ground. Just lots of people running back and forth.

@@vincerobinson6144that is the case for 90% of them I think. I’ve seen it loads of times. Once a massive group charged at each other and when there were no police they stopped short of each other started all the abuse and hand gestures before moving on! Good that they didn’t fight but it was comical!

Nothing to do with football just the Scottish culture

@@simonabbott725We all humans

It’s their culture with their drinks they can’t help themselves they are heavy drinkers

@@louistudor1086It’s mainly football culture.

@@nervoustenseheadache plus their drinks

Part of the age thing is that for a long time you literally had the ‘Football Factory’. Younger hooligans coming through kind of under the watch of the older ones but as much of it got stamped out back in the early to mid 2000s, there’s a generation gap and only really the youth mobs getting involved so it reduces the average age

Junkies mate

It's been getting worse even before lockdown, especially up in Scotland. Been to games on the East and West coast.

@@FlickeringEmber Whom do you support?

It's the agenda... police involved... government involved... it's not rocket science.

Maybe in 10 years time there will be ultra nationalistic highly trained,organised fearsomely violent hooligan firms. Meet the russians in a historic European city and eviscerate them to settle things. Regain the respect from other countries hooligan organisations that we once had. We could have training days out in Kent kicking the Afghans and Syrians shitless chasing them through the fields, hedges and copxxses of our beautiful countryside. Gradually progressing to tooled up long weekends away having pitched battles with the Albanians, Eastern Europeans and any of the African countries who arrive in organised groups. Making sure not to maim or kill any agricultural workers in any little mishaps. Make Britain Great again. Let’s start with football violence and get back to being Europes best

Lol mate - he means the pitch - so take a joke - woke Wake up you fools .

Lol

Adrenaline.. to feel really alive.

Job center pushes anyone into those roles. Nobody wants to do it. Most under paid and valued profession. If he had a job he cared about he would not risk it for a bit of a scrap.

Exactly these are normal people. Everyone has a release on the weekend after a long week. Some do extreme sports, others go to the gym, others drive cars erratically. He went for a day out with his mates and a bit of confrontation.

Criminals with complexes

@@Captain.Pugwash He can go to climb and not be a criminal coward

Yea teething powder is terrible

​@@halfpint5877 fentanyl, xylazine, tranqz, ketamine etc, stuff which is alot more addictive and deadly than cocaine but alot cheaper.

@The Truth ok so you're another misinformed idiot talking online as if you know ehat youre talking about. all those drugs have the literal opposite effects of cocaine. Ketamine can be consumed pretty safely theres Absolutely no reason to mix it with blow. Downers are often cut with fent etc, uppers arent, because they wouldn't be uppers. Sure in rare cases its possible, but 99% of dealers rely on repeat business.

@@halfpint5877 I know what I'm talking about, its a shame the police havent got a clue tho, doesn't matter about its an upper or downer if its mixed with cocaine, they mix it to make it alot more addictive and to bulk up the price with cheaper more addictive substances.

Grooming gangs are using these tranq drugs for other purposes and the police won't do anything about it, vigilante season in Manchester...also synthetic opioids are alot worse than the real stuff.

Ppl using bloodsoaked cocaine

@Mike TLG Their not men their immature little boys

Exactley. There not men. Wankers were hiding behind ridiculous face masks and the sofa for two years cause the government told them. Two pints of stella and a line and there back out thinking there roman gladiators. SAD LOSERS.

Like it or not, this is the potential for violence we need to keep our new "vulnerable fighting age male children" in hotels away from women citizens.

Kids

lets hope they dont get hold of you mike

Haha I’m quite intelligent.

You mean grown men?

Maybe men in gowns?

What have the Ancient Geeks got to do with it?

Yes give them a " e " and a big spliff and send them off to a house / techno club that will change their aggressive outlook and behaviour !!! 👍

​@@jonmurray2350it was also the reason for some horrible deaths

@@Red-tm1bs I attended numerous raves in the 90s and cannot remember one person ever dying off taking an E Any literature to back that up

@@Rebellion1 yeah a quick internet search will do it for you! Not rocket science!

i think its because they all like smelling each others farts after pies and nasty burgers. then lose it after one beer. and of course their mums are not there.

Yes that would be good, unless you have a time machine handy, those times have gone, when did you see kids killing each other over post codes?times have changed and not for the better,

football violence has been around for decades not just the last 13 years

What I find worrying is many of these many men won't just keep it to the football terraces, but also mete out domestic violence to their wives.

Not banter, anger.

@@mikeoxlong3526 you seem to know a lot about cocaine 😂😂😶‍🌫️😶‍🌫️

Probably because they didn't use slave labour.

No drugs and alcohol. They have zero tolerance for antisocial behaviour in general.

Most football lads couldn't afford to go

No One to fight

Yeah same hardly any police at our ground recently

violence has always been a part of the game, but you're absolutely right, the authorities have largely managed to keep it out of the stadiums, except some notable F.A Cup finals, but we've come to expect it from Millwall lads. It's not gone away though. it's still there, it's just more organised with the mobile phones of today, but it's stil very much a part of the game.

In the USA there is a concept in the law called "fight by mutual consent". When individuals enter into a fight voluntarily, neither one can claim assault. Since it is glaringly obvious that the soccer match is merely an excuse / venue for those who wish to practice violence, why not funnel this impulse? A venue with no infrastructure to be damaged such as seats or bathrooms. Just a concrete bowl. You sign a waiver to enter, you go in, and you do whatever you want in terms of violence. No medical services, no police intervention. Bring in any weapons you want to. Agree to maim and murder, or to BE maimed and murdered. People factually DO want this, so why not simply let it happen under controlled isolated circumstances? Fight in the street, go to jail. Fight in the arena, no one cares. Same with drugs. In THIS tiny zone, you are allowed to come in and destroy your life. It's your life, you get to waste it. Once in, never allowed to exit. Outside, unconditional death penalty for using or selling drugs. Couldn't work? Bullshit. the communist Chinese contain capitalism in small "zones" effectively. In the middle east under Islam, you steal, you get your hand chopped off. Simple. Result? NO theft crimes in the middle east.

@@noneyabusiness2237 The VAST MAJORITY of people who attend games in the UK do so for the football and don't want to be either put at risk of injury by idiots and also actually want to watch the game. Thankfully in the UK we have The Public Order Act 1986 that covers covers scenarios which might include pub fights, street brawls, neighbourly disputes, arguments between parties where alarm, harassment or distress are said to have been caused and scenarios where direct threats to others are made in public.

Exactly, and people sniff at all these sports. They just don’t have the ridiculous drinking culture that football has

Dunno like, Welsh Rugby fans don't exactly have a stellar reputation. Which proves that whichever sport is most popular with the masses will inevitably attrac the most trouble given that Rugby is bigger in Wales than football.

Rubbish

Rugby league fans fight and it also happens on a even bigger scale at big horse racing meeting now,fuelled by the same thing,it's just that football gets a lot more attention because it's the country's number 1 sport

a lot of wankers

Well said. You're the first person here not spouting the by rote cliches and drivel from the sociology books of the 70's -all of which insulted the working class by making them the hooligans because of (insert drippy excuse) As you say, it's muliple reasons/varied perpetrators .

@@infrasleep the reasons for hooliganism have always been the same really, a sort of fight club for some and to others it’s the closest they’ll get to actual battle in a war. The use of cocaine is irrelevant given how prevalent it is in todays society, and while it is taken by these “hooligans” they certainly aren’t alone in taking it, nor is it fuelling the rise in football related violence.

😅

Literally no one believes you can get away with it at the football. You can have a fight anywhere in the UK and most the time it will be NFA. As soon as a fight is linked to football, you’re very likely to be sent to prison.

This is the reason why the World Cup in Qatar alcohol was banned through out the stadiums to prevent violence and crazy people

@@louistudor1086 Main reason was that Qatar is a Muslim nation. Any other reason was second to that. Alcohol is never ever getting banned from sporting events in the UK. Too many teams and leagues are propped up by beer sponsorships.

You guys are too soft send them down to middle east or Africa these lot wouldn't last a day

Talk pish ya all peados

@@chickwood3883 Neely and Dunn

And much more stupid.

Right you are champ…

nah Ice hockey is much much better

Also a sport which is far to bank rolled with money nowadays..

Unfortunately Britain and Ireland have massive wider cultural issues with alcohol that everyone gets on the defensive about when addressed! I think many people have formed entire friendship groups, relationships and hobbies around alcohol, so do not know who they are, or how to bond/have fun without alcohol so get very threatened by the thought or notion of having less

This is particularly true of the working class, who often feel like the last remnants of the good times is their local pub which is often the lifeblood of the community (and these have been dying too).

Criminal violence is never justified . If you think that it is then next time I'm short of a bob or two I shall take it from you and others who hold similar views . And if you object I shall simply say " Well according to you people who are poor are entitled to not be poor by any means they so desire " .

As a Millwall fan who enters his 8th decade next May,I know there was,also,another,lesser-known Panorama documentary in 1968 showing 3,000 Millwall fans visiting Villa Park when Millwall lost 3/0 to Villa in THe 3rd Round of THe F A Cup:)

Blame the tories yawn, lets vote labour in and ooen the floodgates on illegals, trouble at football will be the last of your troubles

Hey, I don't think you actually read the comment, I said; "no matter the government" meaning that I think the answer isn't about which party you vote for, I think its much deeper. I'm saying that in this country, there is a significant problem of how massively the government (at large, not just the tory party to be explicitly clear) destroys anything that could be a form of people having ownership and control over how they live their lives, both as individuals and members of a community. Now I'm going to assume that by illegals you mean drugs because this is the context we are currently talking in so if you were to mention illegal tax fraud, for instance, it would be out of context and irrelevant to the conversation at hand. So to be honest if the conversation you are interested in is the illegality of drugs, there's been many countries that have decriminalised drugs (Portugal most famously) which had a hugely positive impact on the drug problems from individual addiction to gang presence. @@nasreireinas3392

I think we are cross purposes here, by illegals i meant people not illegal drugs, but hey ho we all make mistakes, even me

Absolutely mate; total clickbait garbage from Mainstream Media.

Can't be as they mentioned 2 years of COVID.

To be fair, Stourbridge has always been full of wannabees…. Get yourselves over to The Molineux

Hahaha....have I read correctly? 😂😂😂

@@wanderlusterer442 yeah