You always set your goals too low haha 1.2k in 10 hours. Glad to see the channel growing

@@zoltanwolfe1260 Yeah that goal would have been outrageous only a few weeks ago. Things have grown quickly recently. Definitely have to aim really high for the next challenge! :)

@Michael Johnson I need to find out where I can rent some armor :P

This seemingly ridiculous mode of movement is caused by 5e _retaining mechanics_ from previous game iterations: *without telling the players or DMs* the details of those mechanics. Previously, your "movement" speed - was during one movement action. During a round you could take two movement actions, or a movement action and a standard action during that 6 seconds. An unencumbered human could move 30 ft and attack or cast a spell: or take two movement actions in which case you could traverse 60 feet in 6 seconds, without running. In 5e, a double movement is called a "dash", *but the underlying mechanic isn't explained.* D&D 3.5e players handbook page 136 D&D 4e players handbook page 284 D&D 5e players handbook page 192 In earlier iterations - the movement speed wasn't how far you could travel in the one 6 second round: it was how far you could move and perform some other action in the 6 second round: how far you could move, if you were only moving and not doing anything else: was taking two movement actions during the 6 second in the round: and it was effectively double your movement speed assuming you were not hindered or encumbered in some way. So again, an unencumbered human who's movement was not hindered by brambles or difficult terrain could move 60 feet in 6 seconds. Also, again, this was not considered running: this was careful and deliberate movement - not vulnerable to attack the way someone is while running or squeezing through tight spaces or crawling, etc. etc. D&D 5e retained this exact mechanic: but because they simply gloss over the details with "dash" it leads to videos like this one with people thinking a person effectively "moves" 30 feet in 6 seconds (the entire round), because "dash" is treated as a special type of action, rather than understanding that your 30 foot _movement speed:_ is actually the distance you can traverse during *one movement action* - and you can take two such *movement actions* during a 6 second round, which does not count as "running". One of the biggest complaints made by those of us who played the earlier iterations of the game: people who've *only* played 5e do not fundamentally understand *basic game mechanics* because 5e's writers tried to gloss over things with shortcuts, in spite of those basic mechanics still actually being *in the game.*

Eventually this series will have to address the whole of turn economy. Movement, Action, Free action, Bonus action & whatever else you can fit into a single Normal turn order such as a reaction or A Opp. for the sake of the real 6 second turn timer. I think you will find that is a lot to get done in one round. Then do a 2 or 3 way full turn with each doing their full turn in the same 6 seconds.

Hahah it was an adventure!

Tim?

@@samuelbies7491 Sam??

@@timcox5373 Ha, funny seeing you here. Tell me what is this "outside"?

@@samuelbies7491 I’m not sure, whatever it is it sounds nefarious

THE FINAL TEST

The origin of hitpoints is in war planning and is counted by how many tank shells you can take, looking forward to the video and the funeral

I mean, you could just look at what damage a character takes from a monk, and compare that to being pinched by an MMA fighter or boxer.

1, but with very high AC

*tested with non-lethal commoner punches,for accuracy and relative safety*

I appreciate that reality check!

But it was the record for 100m (~300ft) i guess, so for 180ft (~60m) he would be faster i'd assume. i'm not saying i could run that fast, despite being fairly fast on short distances, but my guess would be you have to be a trained sprinter but not necessarily a world record holder. :D Edit: okay turns out there is a 60m sprinting competition, and the record is 6.34s, so you'd have to be a world record holder. :D

@@Fabiundso Over 100m you don't tire too much if you're a top level runner. You actually go faster in the later part because if the first part you have to accelerate to max speed.

It does say life threatening so... still realistic? No but definetly would add some more to the run I'd think, to be fair

@@Fabiundso I've always considered the movement speed to irl pretty fair if not slow for a fantasy setting. It takes some work and effort to hit top tier irl speeds or go beyond.

Thats an interesting way of measuring it. Though it would give worlds strongest man contestants a low score due to how they are built.

Hmmm, it used to be [military press weight] / 10

It is a weird measurement, but the 5e phb says "you cam jump a number of feet equal to your strength score." And using the carrying capacity would make even less sense.

Totally!! We’re going to test it with jumping and lifting in the same video to see which makes more sense. Though I’m almost positive it will be jumping because commoner (STR 10) max carrying capacity is technically like 300 lbs and that’s nuts

@@BobWorldBuilder 10 str carry capacity is 150lb. Its the weight you can push/pull/lift that is 300lb. Carry capacity is str x15.

Or the fact they have superhuman strength and stamina in a literal mathematical sense

So it’s doing this with an extra 50 pounds of weight plate armor and great swords aren’t actually that heavy

The mathmathics are sound they would be more fit than a bunch of soft pansy nerds. If it bothers you take 5 feet from the max movement

Really, as a modern day soldier, you carry weapons, backpacks and gear easily at matching those weights to the point where it feels normal. And soldiers are not Super Human

Totally! Hoping to do a follow up with some gear on

Also need to keep in mind that most characters are holding a lot of equipment. There is a comfortable speed you can go while carrying a full load which is about 3.4 miles an hour. Its not like humans CAN'T run faster its just you'll tire out very fast. The speed is good for long term sustainment over a long period of time. Usain bolt can run about 28 mph but for only about 100 meters. This is what explains monks being so fast.

You're so right! We're thinking about doing a part 3 (after difficult terrain) with some kind of gear and/or tasks to complete during the six seconds

Do 8 attacks in 3 secs, for the lv 20 fighter with action surge experience

@@filipevasconcelos4409 they are basically superheroes though.

@@bananajoe113 and thats why we are commoners and our characteres are heroes =)

Not to nerd out on you, but the "max press" stat wasn't how much you could bench press, it was how much weight you could pick up and lift over your head. Basically a clean and jerk.

@@thetruth-hl7ct I once rolled a fighter and got a 20 for one of my stat rolls. Of course I put that into strength. Thanks to my race and class bonuses I had well over 20STR. I forget the actual stat, I think it might have been 24 or 25. When the DM looked that up because it was so high, he wanted to see how much weight that would actually lift. He said essentially my character could lift a portcullis by myself.

@@eduardopena5893 I don't know how you could roll a 20 on a 3d6, but regardless a strength of 25 would match a fire giant. I'm pretty sure they could lift a portcullis with ease...right before they tear it from the barbican.

@@thetruth-hl7ct This was about 30 years ago when I was a teen. So maybe it was 18 and +3 for the racial/class bonus? I don't recall. All I remember is that the DM was pretty impressed.

@@eduardopena5893 I had a "homebrew" rule that allowed people to roll a 1d8-1 if they rolled an 18 to give them the chance at having up to 25 on one of their stats. Totally against the rules but still fun. I had a human with a 24 strength. Kind of a bad idea because of balancing issues. I could hit and kill things that were my level with ease but if the DM wanted to put a creature in strong enough to take my hits then I would get wrecked if i didnt kill it in the first round.

This is my favorite comment xD All speeds are welcome

"Hey, guys, can you ease off the pace a bit? I'm getting knackered here.", me, an ageing human commoner trying to keep up with a party of gnomes and halflings.

Clearly the gods had to nerf you with the Slow spell

Same (actually jogging to keep up with my 30 and 40 feeter friends)

Yeah i mean you used to lose a year off your life when you cast in older editions

@@ryanrobot7975 Dang, that's hot. I'm gonna bring that to discuss with my table if they want Haste to have that effect

@@nairocamilo to be fair it was a lot stronger, you essentially got two turns when using it.

Yeah a lot more variables would go into seeing how fast someone can actually move. We may do a followup with some gear on and other tasks to do later in this miniseries!

Now do with 60lbs of armor, weapons, books, and gear

@@panwall1327 That's not that much weight when distributed evenly over the body like well made armor should be. Hell modern soldiers full carry weight is around 70lbs and that can move at least that fast. Also keep in mind that these fights last for less than 1 minute on average and you get in maybe 5 fights a day when actively adventuring.

I have to disagree on this. Your whole turn is the 6 seconds. That include your actions, your bonus action, and reaction (if used). For indepth mathematics. Take a Human Monk, at level 20, we get a base movement speed of 60ft, if we add Haste we can suddenly go up to 120ft, which also gives 1 extra action. So we get 120ft of movement, 4 attacks (Extra attack gives 2 attacks per attack action) and +2 attacks with Flurry of Blows as a bonus action. And all that happens in 6 seconds. Not just the movement. So each attack will need to take less than 1 second, otherwise you wouldn't be moving, and moving 120ft can be for the full 6 seconds duration, so if we use 3 seconds to move, then we are attacking once every 0.5 seconds, which also means we moved at a speed of 40ft per second. Which makes this human just slightly slower than Usain Bolt. Usain Bolt top speed record is 44.72km/h which is 40.76ft per second. But what if we take just a regular fighter? Well we would still only have 30ft movement, but we would also have 8 attacks (Extra attack at level 20, gives 4 attacks instead of 1, with 1 action surge per turn up to 2 times). This would mean using the same time as with the monk, a movement of 10ft per second, but attack 1 time per 0.375 second. So moving really slow, but attacking like sonic on drugs. Which only makes the Wizards, and other spell casters, who has limits to their spell casting, like alright, in one turn, you can cast one spell, using the same calculation. They move at snail phase and cast their spells in snail phase as well. Worst is, when they have a duration that is not instant, that means a lot. Instead of using 3 seconds to cast a spell, it takes multiple turns, even worse if they don't move at all, which makes the character just slower in comparison. Then we have the problem about the Movement speed in general: It is not a sprint, it is not running, it means anything that moves, so you *walk* faster than running. So yeah, it is quite unrealistic. XD

@@DraconiusDragora I dunno man, a Lv 20 is like best fighter known to man level, and I’ve seen MMA people or martial artists and shit do more grabs/kicks/punches than 3 per second. You’re talking Bruce Lee legends at that point. And saying they are fast with Haste and it’s not realistic is literally the point. Haste is a magic spell that makes you go faster, without being a literal wizard you’re not supposed to be that fast lol. I’d say that stuff is pretty accurate overall for sure

That‘s probably why the standard movement is 9 meters, not 10.

I'm surprised it was changed! That's fascinating that they convert the system to metric for foreign markets

@@beowylfen was it? i had to learn to understand imperial to play. was there a conversion i somehow never heard about?

@@shroogs2356 I mean, each square is a "5x5ft square" so in reality it doesn't matter what you call it if you're just counting by squares. Definitely don't need to learn imperial to get it

@@shroogs2356 Then again I'm probably forgetting some weirdly specific measurements or something idk

Yeah I think toward the end of whatever this little series becomes, we'll have done videos about attacks and other object interactions, etc. Then we can follow up see try to combine all of it into the things a character actually does

Also, I wanted to make the point of actually moving in combat being fairly different from just walking, jogging, or running. I've done MMA and wrestling for a long time now and movement in a proper stance while moving safely with your hands up in a proper stance is much slower then just jogging, but that trade off In speed is greatly made up for in a, I guess you'd call it an increase in ac and like activating your proficiency bonus in combat. Like sure I could just rush my opponent and get to him really fast, but I'd get there not in my fighting stance and not ready to counter or sprawl. I don't know what a realistic movement speed is when in a proper stance is, but I do definitely think it'd be much slower then loping.

@@BobWorldBuilder I think what you will find is that this movement speed "per round" has simply carried over from 1e unchanged due to... laziness? obliviousness? shirt-sightedness? momentum? ...but in 1e and 2e a "round" was 60 seconds. (!) Plenty of time to get your move (or even double move) in, even in the chaos of a battlefield. So my guess is that no one ever looked at "is this realistic for 5e. I bet wargamer Gary and his associates thought about it a lot in OD&D and AD&D 1e. In Basic I think a round was 10 seconds but that may have varied in different iterations of Basic.

I was about to comment something like that but you said it so much better

Yeah

I've definitely thought about this, too. 3 second movement, 2 second action, 1 second bonus action. Fighters/monks get multiple attacks because they have so much training that it's like a flurry.

I definitely remember reading in AD&D 2e's PhB that combat involved all those things. Also, that a single attack - even a successful one - actually involved a lot of assessment, back-steps, side-steps, clinking swords, misses, etc..

Why 3.5e has full-round actions.

Hahah x)

I think it might be my favorite too. Not gonna lie I spent a looooooot of time editing this one, but I feel like the end product was totally worth it! Thank you :)

I need to find a place that rents armor :P

It wouldn't slow you down overly much, it would make you tired faster though

And a 100lb backpack

But then you should get someone who's proficient with plate armor ;-)

Play hide and seek wearing full plate and see it grants disadvantage to stealth.

I didn't know that! Love etymology though. Thanks for sharing!

Yeah I think this series will just be making fun out of the debates we all love to have at the table :P

Yeah speed can get realllly ridiculous! And I'm sure adventurer's can get up faster, but if you're wearing armor and carrying weapons, I imagine 3 seconds might still check out

I'd say a hasted tabaxi monk would be even more ridiculous than a fighter one. Just a 2nd level tabaxi monk with haste and Step of the wind can move 640 feet. Double that for a level 18 or higher monk. And if you have a mobile feat? Well that's just another bit to add to that

@@BobWorldBuilder Well remember all creatures get up in 3 seconds time. However taking the Athlete feat means you no longer get up in 3 seconds of time, you now get up in 5 feet of movement.

@@Lowlightt that would be like a bounce up or something. Very few people who play could do that so testing might be difficult. 😆

That would have been much easier to film! Unfortunately I don't know anyone with a treadmill :P

Check the movement rules for 3.5

What about rogues and monks who have that ability? Feels sucky to have your best stuff removed on a whim

@@zachsuedmeyer2526 Yeah, you'd kinda have to give them something in return. Maybe a Help action as a BA?

@@tracyblanchard7663 Mastermind Rogue gets that, so now you've invalidated their special.

I really appreciate that! Yes, we aim to keep our language and topics family friendly even though most of the videos (me sitting at a desk talking about rules) would be boring for kids :P

Ahhh that's very generous! Idk if we're quite level two yet haha

Remember, rogues cheat, that's why they're rogues.

I have never seen anybody interpret the Dash rules like that. As a Rogue, if you use the Dash bonus action, you don't get a Dash full action on top of that, it means, you can Dash as a bonus action and still do a full action like Attack or Use Item or Pick Lock or such, but not Dash as a full action. It is the same as with casting a spell as a bonus action, you can't also cast another spell as a full action.

@@StarlasAiko there is literally nothing saying you can't use more than one dash action a turn, unlike casting levelled spells as a bonus action. Just like the Attack action, or any other action- you don't get one a turn, it's just a way you can use the resource. By that logic fighters wouldn't be able to use their action surge to make more attacks, because they already used their Attack action.

Thank you so much!! :)

​@@BobWorldBuilder You are very welcome, but honestly, all thanks go to you.

Hahah jumping is the next one I wanted to do, but it looks like difficult terrain will be next!

That is incredibly kind of you! Thanks, Matthew!

Yeah, in self defense you’re taught that a knife wielding attacker can travel 33 feet in 1 second. In the military, you might be expected to move 30 feet in 6 seconds with 120lbs of gear, so dnd movement is actually still incredibly slow.

@@urfork1 Seems pretty fast. The research from Dennis Tueller found an average person can close about 21 feet gap in about 1.5 seconds. But people tend to have a much faster reaction time, estimated around 0.2-0.3 seconds. But still important to train, especially for if they do close the gap.

@@urfork1 Exactly. Without all the super extra bonuses in DnD, it treats your character as if they have no athletic ability whatsoever. The Standing From Prone penalty is particularly unrealistic, especially considering someone can just roll back into a standing position to maintain movement while avoiding attacks. If bags of holding weren't a thing, these penalties would make sense because of all the extra weight. But bags of holding do exist.

@@bodyrumuae2914 People engaging in combat every other day aren't limited by what the average person's physical abilities are.

@@heartoffire5902 Even with training, the human body does have limitations. Also your comment sounds like you don't understand the argument I made.

I will not rest until the people have answers!

A true man of the people

D&D is freakin nuts haha

Fast kitty!!

1400ft in 6 seconds, or about 233 feet per second (~71 Meters per second). A modern Bow can fire an arrow between 250-300 feet per second. If we assume that common D&D bows are not as advanced as ours, there is an argument to be made that your Tabaxi could outrun an incoming arrow. Bonus, using this movement speed down a vertical surface using the 9th level "Unarmored Movement Improvement" feature, this Tabaxi could almost catch up with someone dropping headfirst at terminal velocity. (About 240 feet per second)

That's too fast!!!

Or as my party loves to call it, CAT ON CREAK!!

Yes

haha very true!

insect swarm!!!

Glad you like them! New one came out today!

Well the difficult terrain video came out yesterday! Let me know what you think!

Do I get to use a car?

Thanks! What other topics would like to see in this format? :)

Yeah it was really about just seeing what it would look like. We may use a bike or something to really show the comparison in a future video

@@BobWorldBuilder well, perhaps just play the video at 2x speed. Since essentially haste speeds up time for you.

It's just one of those things that's weird to conceptualize about the game! Glad I could help!

Thanks a lot! We definitely enjoyed making this one :)

Just dicking around like youtube used to be a long time ago!

Wow, thank you! Yeah it seems pretty popular, and it was a ton of fun. Hope to do more like this over this summer :)

It was our pleasure!

Awesome! Thank you!

Thank you, Aviad! :)

That is a wonderful compliment! Love that show :)

Haha, yeah I got really fixated on this thought, let me know what your friends think!

Thank you very much!!

Glad you enjoyed it!

Well the latest test was for our STR scores and that was pretty fun too! Not sure how we'll do fireballs though lol

@@BobWorldBuilder LOL that one might be tough. Awesome stuff

For the ultimate level of speed!!!

It was our pleasure! :)

Chainmail isn't quite in the budget, but after a lot of similar comments, I do want to do a part three (after difficult terrain) where we have some kind of gear on!

Wait, that might be my dream job lol

Bardy is an inspiration to us all!

Thanks Coach!! I could see you doing a great breakdown of Olympic athlete speeds and comparing crazy dnd character speeds to other fast objects. That would be a great mix of your coach and teacher knowledge!

@@BobWorldBuilder o that sounds like something on the docket for August for sure! I wanna see if I can hit that 180 move speed myself!!’

Pole vaulting and jumping Alan.

Yeah looks like difficult terrain will be unlocked!

I really appreciate that! Thank you :)

Thank you! Loved your comment :)

Haha thank you! It was a ton of fun!

Oh no, Grace and Stephen would crush me on that xD

A new video in this series went up today!

I really appreciate your consideration! :)

Yeah STR is the only one that we can calculate RAW. We'll have to get creative for the others :P

@@BobWorldBuilder you could make an assumption that 3d6 represents the general distribution of abilities in the population. That way, an 18 represents the top 0.46% of the population, etc.

For all the others: Dodgeball.

@@jimmywoolever798 If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball... And if you can't, we get to figure out your Con score.

We're staying on the cutting edge!!

Really appreciate that! :)

We're planning it now! It'll be a few weeks before it's all done and posted, but it's happening!

Yeah I wonder how fast she can go! haha

Yep haha, that's going to be interesting x)