Is David Moyes Proving Modern Football Wrong?

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The Overlap

The Overlap

3 ай бұрын

This week on The Overlap, we break down the methods behind David Moyes' high-flying Hammers and how he might be proving modern-day football wrong.
Do you think West Ham can get European football again come the end of the season or do you think the data behind their form is too damning to sustain all season long?
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@MrReds93
@MrReds93 3 ай бұрын
He doesn't prove anything at all. West Ham's squad is simply good. The fact that he was in the lower midfield with this squad last season is the real outlier. I strongly assume that other coaches would get even more out of the team with the squad, the financial possibilities and the location advantage
@LCM12Lewis
@LCM12Lewis 3 ай бұрын
Think this one will be tad unpopular among a lot of hammers fans.
@TonyHammer61
@TonyHammer61 3 ай бұрын
Massively
@jackh2106
@jackh2106 3 ай бұрын
Says more about them than it does the video
@degeautdfanfirst
@degeautdfanfirst 3 ай бұрын
1-1 1995 not forgotten becks not forgotten
@Ben-wx3rs
@Ben-wx3rs 3 ай бұрын
So cutting through the fluffy analysis … they defend deep in numbers and counter attack well. 4 minutes saved for someone out there!
@claretd5999
@claretd5999 3 ай бұрын
Try watching the moyesaurus week in week out..#moyesout
@thabisosamsam6779
@thabisosamsam6779 3 ай бұрын
Fell asleep watching last night's game with bournemouth
@TonyHammer61
@TonyHammer61 3 ай бұрын
You and 60,000 Hammers inside the ground mate
@thabisosamsam6779
@thabisosamsam6779 3 ай бұрын
@@TonyHammer61 true
@craigjohnson9605
@craigjohnson9605 3 ай бұрын
Careful what you wish for…
@raduchirila7679
@raduchirila7679 3 ай бұрын
You could see this a few nights ago against bouremouth. There were a few minutes left and with ball in possession they could not figure out how to start attacks... they seem to only go forward on fast breaks and on contra-pressing... West ham need a quiet and safe second half of the season in order to transitions to a more reliable system and tactic
@MrSanguine
@MrSanguine 3 ай бұрын
Nice idea, but do you honestly think Moyes is capable of bringing that system and tactics into being?
@raduchirila7679
@raduchirila7679 3 ай бұрын
@@MrSanguine no idea... but he was once seen as a ferguson successor... so there are reasons there. The least of the problems is Moyes, if there is no clear way of strategic thinking on a system am philosophy of play. Do you go with a ”park the bus” team and players that would realistically get you in the relegation battle year after year or do you try and recruit staff and players for an open play team based on a more attacking philosophy? The latter is a high risk and high reward approach. Look at Brighton an how they play within their means.
@jamesHammers2998
@jamesHammers2998 3 ай бұрын
The pundits every week keep telling us fans what a great manager and job hes doing and how lucky we are so i say Moyes needs to go to a top 4 club where he belongs..i know what about Liverpool when Klopp leaves! 🤔
@stevemcauliffe1887
@stevemcauliffe1887 3 ай бұрын
This aged well.
@TonyHammer61
@TonyHammer61 3 ай бұрын
Try watching it every week. It is dross. West Ham being 6th is like seeing an elephant up a tree. You can see it up there but have no idea how it got there. There is NO way we will finish in the top 6 this season. Man Utd, Newcastle and possibly Brighton will all finish above us
@danieldacosta4350
@danieldacosta4350 3 ай бұрын
You're lucky - you don't have to sit through every minute of it! Soul destroying & really working well in the few games hasn't it - Bristol City x2, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth.
@MrSanguine
@MrSanguine 3 ай бұрын
Very lucky to win the Conference cup last season, didn't come up against any quality till Fiorentina in the final. As for your analysis, try asking West Ham fans what they think of his brilliant masterplan, which regularly leaves us groaning with boredom. #Moyesout
@adamsherriff368
@adamsherriff368 Ай бұрын
U can only beat what’s in front of u and as u point out we managed to beat the quality in the final. Do u think it bothers Portsmouth fans that they only beat one quality side on their way to the FA Cup in 2008? I will agree that the method is tough to watch sometimes as it involves lots of defending and springing a quick break, but this side has finished top 10 three times in the last four years, which puts Moyes up there with Lyall and Redknapp as the only three whu mgrs to have done that. With the exception of the Cottee/McAvennie of the mid 80s and the miracle of getting Tevez and Javier in mid 2000s this is the best team we have had in 40 years and this method maximises our advantages. However I wouldn’t worry because Webuyanycar and Kudus will be off soon and so even if Moyes signs a new contract it’s highly unlikely we will replace with such quality and this method relies on those two and Bowen. So he’ll get the boot and then it’s back into the lottery of football mgrs. And the odds are unless we get the next Emery we won’t be getting 3-4 seasons in the top 10.
@TetsuoShimaNo41
@TetsuoShimaNo41 3 ай бұрын
Doesn't this confirm that stats only provide persuasive arguments? If you rely on them too much then they can be misleading. Results matter, and just because some analytics say it shouldn't work doesn't mean it won't.
@georgemaddy1233
@georgemaddy1233 3 ай бұрын
This tactic only works when you’re absolutely ruthless and clinic on the few chances you get. If your attacking players hit abit of bad form you’ll find that no matter how well you defend you cannot score - meaning you’re likely going to lose 1/2/3-0
@adamsherriff368
@adamsherriff368 Ай бұрын
True and we saw this over Dec Jan when Paqueta and Kudus were out.
@sjt7076
@sjt7076 3 ай бұрын
A system that relies on a hell of a lot of luck in defence and making sure you score basically every chance you have. We will not finish 6th in the league because luck runs out and we have used most of ours this season. If you are into football purely for results then this might look good at times, but if you are into it for entertainment and to actually enjoy watching the sport, then good luck watching West Ham.
@georgemesser3262
@georgemesser3262 3 ай бұрын
Problem is when we come out with 9 of 11 players being defensively minded and jwp at lw it is criminal for DM to sell Pablo and said and not use Danny or maxwel
@JR-on6rh
@JR-on6rh 3 ай бұрын
What has changed from his time at Everton?
@omesh5710
@omesh5710 3 ай бұрын
If modern football is wrong, I don't want to be right
@hillsjason1
@hillsjason1 3 ай бұрын
I hate how videos on KZfaq use this annoying pattern in tone when talking. Sentence goes up, sentence goes down.
@thehunzz
@thehunzz 3 ай бұрын
If you're winning, but not having fun, then you're probably doing something wrong.
@degeautdfanfirst
@degeautdfanfirst 3 ай бұрын
Our Boss Erik Ten Hag fans with him and still and staying that way.
@markwilson4991
@markwilson4991 3 ай бұрын
Moyes is clueless, his in game management is pathetic. He never deviates from his set up because to him it's a damning assessment of him and his tactics if he changes it. Basically he has no plan B. His substitutions are made on the 75-80 min mark. Hell the other day he brought Cornet on in the 93rd min. As a West Ham fan I've had a gutful of this style yet we are always told by the media how great Moyes is, he's not, he's just lucky and a dinosaur
@NffcR
@NffcR 3 ай бұрын
Aged well
@homedinners
@homedinners 3 ай бұрын
No chance of getting European football and quite the opposite in my opinion. West Ham will slide down the table over the next couple of months. Moyes is stuck in the dark ages and his luck will run out.
@degeautdfanfirst
@degeautdfanfirst 3 ай бұрын
Done great job at west ham moyes reason brought him baxk
@dannyquaife2873
@dannyquaife2873 3 ай бұрын
Great analysis 👏
@andrewharrison7767
@andrewharrison7767 3 ай бұрын
they're not proving modern football wrong - they're simply showing the modern stat obsessed media spend too long on games like fifa; the ONLY stat that counts is the score
@DigitalNomad.1
@DigitalNomad.1 3 ай бұрын
XG is waffle
@mandontgivea513
@mandontgivea513 3 ай бұрын
Did you see last night’s game?😂 Get him out
@FourGreenFields
@FourGreenFields 3 ай бұрын
A complete word salad, thanks
@JohnW8223
@JohnW8223 3 ай бұрын
Moyes is doing a great job at West Ham and deserves a crack with a top team. Perhaps Man U when they move Ten Hag on? 😂
@JayKayDi
@JayKayDi 3 ай бұрын
Did you watch us last night?
@dirkdiggler1
@dirkdiggler1 3 ай бұрын
#moyesout
@pgc99
@pgc99 3 ай бұрын
He dismantled a league winning Man United squad and entire backroom staff in one season, they haven't recovered since. West Ham is his level.
@yeahok1839
@yeahok1839 3 ай бұрын
You don’t know ball
@pgc99
@pgc99 3 ай бұрын
@@yeahok1839 🤣 great analysis mate
@craigjohnson9605
@craigjohnson9605 3 ай бұрын
He was left with an aging squad that obviously couldn’t perform at the same level again. Wasn’t given the funds to rebuild and was undermined by the senior ‘pros’ in the squad. Utd fans scapegoat moyes when it was Ferguson’s and the Utd boards fault.
@yeahok1839
@yeahok1839 3 ай бұрын
I know. and it is still better than your take.@@pgc99
@pgc99
@pgc99 3 ай бұрын
@@craigjohnson9605 lol ok, keep telling yourself that
@samprizeman4509
@samprizeman4509 3 ай бұрын
Is that statman dave???
@ceeg41_
@ceeg41_ 3 ай бұрын
Clearly didn’t watch last nights game
@chriswood1661
@chriswood1661 3 ай бұрын
To be fair, Man United is now probably his level
@joshuavernege5586
@joshuavernege5586 3 ай бұрын
No he’s a backwards dinosaur
@noone-qg1od
@noone-qg1od 3 ай бұрын
He's the worst manager in the prem. Moyes out now. The football is unwatchable. Moyes out.
@kristiangibbings8082
@kristiangibbings8082 3 ай бұрын
I got no love for the bloke but that's a bit disrespectful he ain't the worst there's a fair few below him, sure his football puts the fans to sleep literally but he's been West Ham best manager in over 30+yrs laying a solid foundation and guided us to a cup, but yeah he needs to move on in the summer hopefully.
@EmArgh
@EmArgh 3 ай бұрын
Would you believe meh?
@noone-qg1od
@noone-qg1od 3 ай бұрын
Im unsubscribing now you'll be pleased to hear, i won't be silenced and still stick around. Moyes out.
@sghound
@sghound 3 ай бұрын
more like modern football is proving moyes wrong
@dan11596
@dan11596 3 ай бұрын
West Ham are being dragged through games by a limited few good players, even the commentators after this weeks games said, now they understand why West Ham fans are frustrated, appalling bore fest to watch.
@noone-qg1od
@noone-qg1od 3 ай бұрын
So you delete every comment tgat says Moyes out.... Cowards
@spelunkyboy
@spelunkyboy 3 ай бұрын
Aged horribly.
@DavidGreen-ot2ni
@DavidGreen-ot2ni 3 ай бұрын
It's already being proven unsustainable. This year points dropped and even worse performances. Injuries,no youth or subs,apart from the most uninfluencable player in the league Ings. He's binned off two good players in Fornals and Kehrer with no "Moyes" replacements. He also screwed up Benrhama. He's been found out
@UKSTRAINS88
@UKSTRAINS88 3 ай бұрын
How many trophies has he won tho
@kierangibsongibson1897
@kierangibsongibson1897 3 ай бұрын
A European one last season buddy. Proof is in the pudding. European champs, COYI!
@AbdiHassan-uz3wg
@AbdiHassan-uz3wg 3 ай бұрын
How many teams can a trophy every year?
@yeahok1839
@yeahok1839 3 ай бұрын
You sound like a glory hunter. They won 1 last year.. teams can overachieve without winning the league
@UKSTRAINS88
@UKSTRAINS88 3 ай бұрын
I'm a Man United life long fan from Manchester..
@Tricky181
@Tricky181 3 ай бұрын
Still been paid by man united
@blackcatone
@blackcatone 3 ай бұрын
Shite 0 - Gunners 6 Lol
@sambaldwin7133
@sambaldwin7133 3 ай бұрын
What a load of old sh*t , moyes has terrible record against top 4 sides. After spending over 400m in his time there we should have a squad to play a lot better then we do and finish in and around where we are now
@unclem7816
@unclem7816 3 ай бұрын
Boring football, grinding out results which could easily fall the other way if it were not for luck.
@malcolmbrown414
@malcolmbrown414 3 ай бұрын
What a load of rubbish. In over 50 years of watching West Ham, mostly as a season ticket holder, Moyes brand of football is the worst I have seen.
@grahamgibbins8071
@grahamgibbins8071 3 ай бұрын
You lot say that about every manager you've ever had. Worse than Spurs fans for moaning aboutvl style.
@mitchellmcdonagh3615
@mitchellmcdonagh3615 3 ай бұрын
@@grahamgibbins8071spurs ain’t moaning no more
@177itchell
@177itchell 3 ай бұрын
Bring back Zola yeah?
@mobiustriple
@mobiustriple 3 ай бұрын
While it might be true, you can’t argue with his results
@dannyboy350
@dannyboy350 3 ай бұрын
And also one of the most successful brands of football for West Ham over the past 50 years considering you know he won a European competition and finished 6th then 7th in consecutive seasons in the best league in the world. I’m not a West Ham fan but I think it’s safe to say David Moyes has given the West Ham fans one of the best memories of their lives on that night in Prague. He’s achieved what most other managers could only dream of with that West Ham team so put some respect on his name.
@coldarcticoasis
@coldarcticoasis 3 ай бұрын
Moyes United squad was a one trick pony. I watched most games and still remember how direct with no creative bone they were. 60-80 crosses to nobody. Moyes is not a good coach let alone manager. He got felliani and an over rated mata. Very below average players
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