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IS IT MORALLY OK TO RESPOND W/ VIOLENCE? Destiny Defends Himself In 1v2 Debate

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DEBATE: Destiny debates on whether or not posting memes about a religion can justify violence...
Date: 13 Mar, 2023
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@joshhoward4256
@joshhoward4256 Жыл бұрын
"He understood the risks he was taking mocking Islam". My guy. That's the debate. There should be no mortal risk for mockery.
@Breakbeat90s
@Breakbeat90s Жыл бұрын
Agreed, except when they mock me
@Afff924
@Afff924 Жыл бұрын
try mock the holocaust in tel aviv
@Breakbeat90s
@Breakbeat90s Жыл бұрын
@@Afff924 you wont get killed for it lmao
@joshhoward4256
@joshhoward4256 Жыл бұрын
@@Afff924 Do you imagine I support mortal harm for that act?
@Afff924
@Afff924 Жыл бұрын
@@Breakbeat90s my point is that mocking/disrepecting things that people care about IN REAL LIFE will get you touched in all parts of the world.
@alarice2136
@alarice2136 Жыл бұрын
Imagine bitching about islamophobia and hate crimes while advocating for intolerance of speech via violence.
@aSSGoblin1488
@aSSGoblin1488 Жыл бұрын
if you can't take jokes about mohamed sucking off jesus, maybe america isn't right for you. hey nick where you at the ethnostate thing?
@m.-w.y.5417
@m.-w.y.5417 Жыл бұрын
@@seto_kaiba_ I'm a muslim and find it so hilarious. It's like the only ppl who get to talk about our views are these braindead idiots
@edswangren6479
@edswangren6479 Жыл бұрын
Imagine being 30 minutes in having not figured out how your ski mask works.
@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286
@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 Жыл бұрын
@@noori770 stop justifying clear threats.
@Zenweaponry
@Zenweaponry Жыл бұрын
They're literally making a rational case that you SHOULD be afraid 😂
@LoudWaffle
@LoudWaffle Жыл бұрын
Oh my lord, a moderator with the ability and willingness to mute unruly participant. This is so appreciated.
@Gchildwarrior
@Gchildwarrior Жыл бұрын
A good mod indeed!
@mightytaco123
@mightytaco123 Жыл бұрын
It’s lame Broh I wanted this to be like the Jerry Springer shows. It’s the sole reason I watch debates. It scratches that white trailer trash tv guilty pleasure itch I have lol.
@noammanakermorag9538
@noammanakermorag9538 Жыл бұрын
The thing that angers me the most about these people is they are taking advantage of liberal free speech to argue against freedom of speech and liberalism. It’s so incredibly bad faith how they get all hurt when people make fun of them online even though they know that if the roles were reversed they would have all of us stoned to death for daring to question their God.
@Flyzo.0
@Flyzo.0 Жыл бұрын
It’s kind of poetic in a sense that they’re calling the very rights that makes their existence able to happen the thing that is tyrannizing them.
@botchedoperations3485
@botchedoperations3485 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Complete bs…
@stateofthenihil8352
@stateofthenihil8352 Жыл бұрын
Paradox of intolerance.
@Ko0okieeZ
@Ko0okieeZ 11 ай бұрын
The rules ARE reversed in countries like Turkey and Egypt so where’s the stoning?
@muninnsays9296
@muninnsays9296 10 ай бұрын
@@Ko0okieeZbro, Saudi Arabia burned some women for witchcraft recently. There are constant stonings in Islamic countries.
@langley6642
@langley6642 Жыл бұрын
Implying that Destiny was in the wrong because a majority would disagree with him was a very pants on head moment. Many opinions that are popular now were ridiculed and rarely held in the past. This is why arguing and challenging opinions is important. Everyone should want to hold the most true and moral beliefs possible.
@BasedPoliwhirl
@BasedPoliwhirl Жыл бұрын
"Would you then agree that 70% of the world is uncivilized?" *CHAD YES*
@LunaTulpa
@LunaTulpa Жыл бұрын
most people probably would say that they wouldn't pay taxes or that gays should be allowed to exist if polled globally lmao
@undead2146
@undead2146 Жыл бұрын
Isn’t that democracy? If 70% of americans held those views are you gonna riot against the government now?
@boborappa
@boborappa Жыл бұрын
His logic comes from the quran being correct. Contravening established truths, even if they're false, doesn't serve his world view.
@undead2146
@undead2146 Жыл бұрын
@@BasedPoliwhirl so you would live in a world where 70% of people are uncivilised savages? Imagine for a second if that were true, a world where 7/10 people you see is a savage, is that the same world we live in today?
@carljonsson2647
@carljonsson2647 Жыл бұрын
So at the end of this convo I have come to realize that if someone has deluded themselves into LOVING Dumbledore HARD ENOUGH, it is morally acceptable for them to answer with physical violence if someone were to insult him. Great.
@klosar6666
@klosar6666 Жыл бұрын
I'm coming for all those twitter people who have disrespected my waifu.
@niftyp2320
@niftyp2320 Жыл бұрын
I'm starting a TERF Crusade against Dumbledore haters
@bartoszkrawczyk5921
@bartoszkrawczyk5921 Жыл бұрын
@@klosar6666 Unironically, according to these guys - you have every right to.
@paulsinih7404
@paulsinih7404 Жыл бұрын
Is that you making fun of people like me who love and worship Dumbledore 🧐, you just made me angry 😡💢, I have the right to respond to your comments with violence 👊👊✊, you are putting other Dumbledore followers in harm therefore my violence is justified
@halofornoobs93
@halofornoobs93 Жыл бұрын
I mean, I feel like we also have to take into consideration the mental health of someone. Someone who loves Dumbledore in that situation probably doesn't have the capacity to understand why violence is ok. That is why we usually remove them from society if meds don't help.
@ThePurplemaneater
@ThePurplemaneater Жыл бұрын
"I think if you're in the moral minority, you are wrong." This has some real "if my friend jumped off a bridge, I'd jump off too," energy.
@only_fair23
@only_fair23 Жыл бұрын
I also don't think the 70% figure he gave is correct, at least not in the way he said it. China has limits of freedom of speech but primarily against the government not Religion, I don't believe. Most of the West does not have these limitations except against Muslims. Now that I think about it, it's mostly either Muslims or authoritarian governments that have limited free speech.
@horatiohornblower3757
@horatiohornblower3757 Жыл бұрын
"I'm glad I got the Atlantic and the Pacific blocking me from all the crazies from other places, so amen to my country I guess." This line fucking killed me. LOL However it really is amazing to me how a seemingly reasonable human being like the guy in the lower left can take such a seemingly crazy position that you should be able to attack people physically for insulting someone's parents.
@coldteamzx6411
@coldteamzx6411 Жыл бұрын
America is leading when it comes to violence and killing people . The other guy lives in Dubai one of the safest and most happiest places in earth . Yet Destiny acts as if he lives in this heaven . Everyone outside the USA describes USA as dumb people and unsafe.
@rickross9829
@rickross9829 Жыл бұрын
"should be able to" and "morally justifiable" are different standards
@blackmetalfollower666offic9
@blackmetalfollower666offic9 Жыл бұрын
No religion is beyond judgment or critiscism. Period!
@idkfa1000000
@idkfa1000000 Жыл бұрын
yeah while i am not a religious person i find these 2 to only hurt their own case.
@shitguy7615
@shitguy7615 Жыл бұрын
What do you think up chat shit get banged ?
@Channel-23s
@Channel-23s Жыл бұрын
Man that’s true but some get a pass by a side and any talk will land you with a label or worst (cancel or harm)
@youtubeviolatedme7123
@youtubeviolatedme7123 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's really assuring to know that someone isn't committing a violent action because they're afraid that some invisible dude in the sky will punish them in the afterlife, and not because they have an actual shred of empathy towards other humans. Morality is not static nor determined by any single entity; morality is dynamic and requires constant scrutiny from everyone.
@INFP5w4
@INFP5w4 Жыл бұрын
Except when you're gratuitously being offensive and using vulgar language speaking about a religious figure to offend people. Offending and genuine criticism are two different things. Swearing at Jesus to anger Christians and criticising the historicity are two different things. There are many Muslims that don't even believe the small details Destiny has been trashing muslims about. Big show of lack of wisdom on his part.
@karlholde6901
@karlholde6901 Жыл бұрын
Holy shiet, these guys are working harder to convince me of islamophonia than any other conservative. Hopefully everyones principles are strong enough to withstand these doofuses.
@virtualshark9203
@virtualshark9203 Жыл бұрын
Honestly it was people like this and the Lefts constant attempts to pretend they don't exist that led me down a right wing rabbit hole. I don't think Islam in inherently bad but it does have a problem with these kinds of people. Luckily I got out of the whole right wing circle jerk in the end but still.
@Veganstega
@Veganstega Жыл бұрын
You shouldn't even be saying that. Your principles SHOULD stand the tide.
@supergamergrill7734
@supergamergrill7734 Жыл бұрын
@@Veganstega Well we’re all human that have flaws and our opinion can be swayed. No human can withstand the urge to be Islamophobic just a little bit by hearing these 2. At least they are just 2 people and not the whole group
@Veganstega
@Veganstega Жыл бұрын
@@supergamergrill7734 Cool then just give up then. Or grow some b*lls and stick by your principles
@ronniekregar3482
@ronniekregar3482 Жыл бұрын
Destiny was the doofus on this panel.
@Mike23443
@Mike23443 Жыл бұрын
Hey, you know what, props to the moderator. He's based, skilled, fair and effective. One of the better ones I've seen in this kind of debate.
@lukewithann7256
@lukewithann7256 9 ай бұрын
anyone who actually actively mutes belligerent guests is a champion in my book
@limitbreak2966
@limitbreak2966 Жыл бұрын
19:42 the fact he started screaming over that relatively tame comment shows how much of a savage this guy is
@shottacrumbs7926
@shottacrumbs7926 Жыл бұрын
It's so funny how many creators are terrified of Islam, and Destiny just shits on the fanatics. It's hilarious and one of the reasons I love Destiny.
@MrPerfume1979
@MrPerfume1979 Жыл бұрын
I for my complaints, But this is entertaining. But wouldn’t destiny chastise anyone being transphobic for not believing in transsexuality as anything other than autoeroticism whatever?
@Zach0451
@Zach0451 Жыл бұрын
It's funny until he is inevitably decapitated at an event or something
@Gajtunnikutaicentre
@Gajtunnikutaicentre Жыл бұрын
​@@MrPerfume1979 Quran tells to win Kafir land and take Ziziya and says Polytheists are worst creatures and Gay people must be killed 😆😆. But if you question this you'r Pislmaophobic 🥺😭💔
@Gajtunnikutaicentre
@Gajtunnikutaicentre Жыл бұрын
Rational fear of Islam is called Common sense while Irrational fear is Islamophobia. Understand Islamophobia: When Victim is Non Muslim and Perpetrator is Muslim ----- then Non Muslim must be Islamophobic so Muslim got offended and killed 🥺. When Perpetrator is Non Muslim and Victim is Muslim --- then of course Perpetrator is Islamophobic so harmed Muslim. Chuslim I mean Muslim are the most evil creatures on this planet 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@Gajtunnikutaicentre
@Gajtunnikutaicentre Жыл бұрын
Bro your woman must wear Hijab since women are like lollipop 🍭🍬 and need to be covered and if you Question this you are Islamophobic 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@sigigle
@sigigle Жыл бұрын
Imagine being so soft that you think the law should intervene for insults.
@JDyo001
@JDyo001 Жыл бұрын
While I agree its weak it is actually illegal in for example germany to publicly insult someone, and you can sue someone for it
@annaphillips4288
@annaphillips4288 Жыл бұрын
For real, my dude
@brokencreationlordmegatrol3037
@brokencreationlordmegatrol3037 Жыл бұрын
@@JDyo001 damn really? I thought we where soft here in the uk
@sigigle
@sigigle Жыл бұрын
@@JDyo001 How weak. No wonder they lost the wars (lul)
@paulsinih7404
@paulsinih7404 Жыл бұрын
Not only that, this religion claims it's the one true one, and the people who don't believe in it will be in flames 😅, you'd think if you really were following the absolute true religion, then you wouldn't be so fragile 🤔
@Guitarmaster7272
@Guitarmaster7272 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely insane. Straight up they believe if you love Dumbledore enough, you should be allowed to respond to Dumbledore hecklers with violence. My goodness, I'm glad people like this aren't important here.
@astroworld-gx7xe
@astroworld-gx7xe Жыл бұрын
This conversation is a perfact example of why certain cultures cannot coexist thats why im very big on nation sovereignty and having different cultures having their own countries the issue comes into when you go into another country with already established norms and civil liberties and try to impose your norms onto theirs
@NatsumiTakanawa
@NatsumiTakanawa Жыл бұрын
"Islamaphobia": The irrational fear of being decapitated.
@Matt-sk6hi
@Matt-sk6hi Жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@swagcat51
@swagcat51 Жыл бұрын
“Mason *”: perfect husband material if you gave me the chance.
@trobins4473
@trobins4473 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@HauntedOne666
@HauntedOne666 Жыл бұрын
Honestly i kinda like getting stoned to death
@asmbeats5369
@asmbeats5369 Жыл бұрын
​@@HauntedOne666 Kinky
@Whick-TV
@Whick-TV Жыл бұрын
This one was a bit frustrating, but I appreciate everyone who came on for being honest and willing to engage!
@deebo429__
@deebo429__ Жыл бұрын
This has been some of the best content I've seen from you since you soyed out about Dylan going to Ukraine
@penpointred
@penpointred Жыл бұрын
you did good! :) I think u and Destiny are in the majority. I dont think the global majority believes violence is the acceptable response to verbal insults. thanks for taking on this debate.
@F03BIA
@F03BIA Жыл бұрын
This is such an interesting debate, thanks for setting it up 👍
@wisemage0
@wisemage0 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for being biased in Destiny's favour. Although, it's hard not to be: considering the untenable position his opponent is defending.
@zamokuhlethusi2964
@zamokuhlethusi2964 Жыл бұрын
This was awesome as always
@startrekfanman
@startrekfanman 10 ай бұрын
1:08:37 bros argument is literally “being mean hurt, so I resort to violence” bro is a menace to recess
@hennessy916
@hennessy916 Жыл бұрын
All i can say is if you hide your face while saying somebody else should get punched in the face. Your morals are already messed up no matter what faith
@62shayne
@62shayne Жыл бұрын
I’ve never been more grateful to be in the USA than after hearing those 2 lunatics justify violence over words for nearly 2 hours.
@platinummad4701
@platinummad4701 Жыл бұрын
Even more to be un Uruguay where religion was kicked out of the state 100 years ago.
@eshaybah5581
@eshaybah5581 Жыл бұрын
qorantos is a future terrorist, im calling it now
@yungbeef8444
@yungbeef8444 Жыл бұрын
Yeah thank god we only justify mass violence over crackheads overdosing and disagreeing with Alex Jones on election results
@christineharkins1637
@christineharkins1637 Жыл бұрын
🇺🇸
@Dovahkiif
@Dovahkiif Жыл бұрын
Yeah hearing somebody unironically say that mean tweets can hurt somebody’s feelings therefore the state should fine them for it is fucking insane.
@Calembunial
@Calembunial Жыл бұрын
Violence works and is necessary in some situations. A person being unable to control their own feelings because of what was said or what they saw, isn't one of those situations. These people are trying to justify using violence as a response to them getting offended. There's fragile, and then there's this. lol
@paulsinih7404
@paulsinih7404 Жыл бұрын
It's ironic because these are the same people that will tell you their ideology and theology in general is masculine 😂🤣
@baileyskates
@baileyskates Жыл бұрын
@@paulsinih7404 TRUE
@undead2146
@undead2146 Жыл бұрын
Did anyone respond to destiny with violence? Everybody is strawmanning the argument that violence should not be committed. It’s like saying every female hottub streamer is being gRaped just because of the sexual harassment they recieve in chats/dm’s, you can’t just jump to conclusions because it fits your narrative
@Mcnooberzzz
@Mcnooberzzz Жыл бұрын
@@undead2146 Destiny said mean words. Mean words upset people. Those people threaten do chop his head off and kill his family. I'd say there's INTENT to commit violence in those words. Though yes, of course nobody has committed a physical act on him yet. But intention is what matters here in this context. The argument is saying mean words should not be responded to with violence. Which these two seem to disagree with. I don't see a strawman being committed. Or....I'm retarded.
@undead2146
@undead2146 Жыл бұрын
@@Mcnooberzzz if destiny dies or gets hurt because of those dm’s then he can go and get himeself a lottery ticket, since he’s lucky that out of 1000s of streamers he’s the one that’s dying to death threats And do you think it’s fair to compare empty threats to actual murdering of people? It’s like saying i got gRaped but I only got sexual harassment dm’s
@harlanhardway5955
@harlanhardway5955 Жыл бұрын
"Someone can have love and respect for Harry Potter, that doesn't mean they can attack me in the street if I shit on Dumbledore". I just about fell out of my chair, lol. He doesn't even have a response to that one.
@GiltleyRage
@GiltleyRage Жыл бұрын
I laughed because I know for a fact that there are people who would do that xD
@kytexgd1463
@kytexgd1463 Жыл бұрын
It’s hilarious how the same people who say clowning on Islam is harmful will advocate for Andrew Tate and deny any of his messaging being harmful to woman
@Violaphobia
@Violaphobia Жыл бұрын
Guy in the mask is an amazing debater. 2 hours and a 100% inability to paraphrase his opponent.
@Thedamped
@Thedamped Жыл бұрын
He actually did paraphrase early on, I was kind of impressed coming off all those redpill arguments.
@beanybabyrabie
@beanybabyrabie Жыл бұрын
He can’t think over his unhinged screaming and equating deep fake porn of Destiny’s small child to a depiction or joke of a made up god.
@debdwaipayankarmakar9560
@debdwaipayankarmakar9560 Жыл бұрын
I like how they are saying he's promoting islamophobia, while promoting violence on him
@Keithslawinski
@Keithslawinski Жыл бұрын
"If you just did it based off of humor, tell me the humor in: 'Pre pubescent be upon him' " Seldom does the universe set up a one liner delivered so perfectly.
@just_a_turtle_chad
@just_a_turtle_chad Жыл бұрын
poor Destiny. When he realized his opponent had spent no time researching the case he must have felt like someone prepping super hard for a bake-off, only to see the opponent walk in with a cup of instant-noodles
@johnbd9765
@johnbd9765 Жыл бұрын
This comment made me respect women 100x more.
@leroiken9856
@leroiken9856 Жыл бұрын
I love Destiny
@billybadass8690
@billybadass8690 Жыл бұрын
@@leroiken9856 i love cup noodles
@mapsgoonthewall5396
@mapsgoonthewall5396 Жыл бұрын
😄 that analogy
@ChaoticMonkey01
@ChaoticMonkey01 Жыл бұрын
Noodles
@jonnylake3rd
@jonnylake3rd Жыл бұрын
This guy is the exact reason why the separation of church and stay exists. They will go out of their way to the end of the Earth to justify their beliefs. Destiny wanting to get violent against somebody who's stealing 80,000 a year is not even close to being the same as somebody making fun of your skydaddy. If you can't understand that then you're no pun intended bad faith.
@waduhek5994
@waduhek5994 Жыл бұрын
It's not close because you don't understand the love people have for god. Stop trying to compare things you don't truly understand, you will get nowhere.
@tollph3314
@tollph3314 Жыл бұрын
@@waduhek5994 well sure i still think not being able to provide for your food,living for you and your family because of one asshole is more essential for individual life copared to mocking someones god,like you literally nothing you can loose by that besides getting angry and feeling certain unpleasant feelings but your life is not in danger ,you are not looosing essential things to survive
@notan3144
@notan3144 Жыл бұрын
@Waduhek A threat to your corporeal experiential reality is on a completely different level to an insult to your paradigm, regardless of how much love you have for God or the Prophet or any ideological figure you hold in high esteem.
@jonnylake3rd
@jonnylake3rd Жыл бұрын
@@waduhek5994 I don't have to understand anything. That's why the separation of church and state exists. I could give a f*** about what you believe.
@jonnylake3rd
@jonnylake3rd Жыл бұрын
@@waduhek5994 what did nothing burger of a sentence. I find it hilarious that religion's always claim to be peaceful and loving. The biggest gaslight in history
@jbjoker18
@jbjoker18 Жыл бұрын
im sooo happy that someone is calling these extremists out .
@kevinb1594
@kevinb1594 Жыл бұрын
If you love dumbledore enough, you can attack anyone who mocks him and makes you feel bad. 1:34:00
@Solutionsarejustcompromises
@Solutionsarejustcompromises Жыл бұрын
Plz keep this Islam arc going, so many taking the bait. They are so emotionally undeveloped, and proud of it to boost, just begging to be ridiculed.
@ktool4855
@ktool4855 Жыл бұрын
It's actually dangerous doing this, if he pisses off enough of them they will organise and attempt to kill him. If you live in Europe I'm sure you are aware of this. Americans seriously underestimate just how backwards and sensitive the average Muslim is.
@Oberhaupt-cr8fn
@Oberhaupt-cr8fn Жыл бұрын
I swear everyone is pissing their pants talking about that subject. Even a fucking andrew tate got no balls.
@omnigirl177
@omnigirl177 Жыл бұрын
I hope destiny goes even harder at Islam, with more disrespect
@ggnowqq
@ggnowqq Жыл бұрын
I think it's astonishing that responding with violence isn't considered savagery. What a joke.
@Husein_B58
@Husein_B58 Жыл бұрын
Disrespect a black person then and see what happens in real life. You white Americans only talk when theres no direct consequences
@marekfalk5369
@marekfalk5369 Жыл бұрын
what do you think would happen if a black creater, a muslim would insult white/christians on twitter, he would probably get a million death threats before getting banned
@brunoverasferreira6263
@brunoverasferreira6263 Жыл бұрын
Everyone on the left loves violence. Until it's the right doing it.
@walmartswag
@walmartswag Жыл бұрын
destiny saying that its ok to kill the guy that was ddosing him isn't though? peak zoomerism.
@iDewThis4Yu
@iDewThis4Yu Жыл бұрын
You can’t fight huh?
@corkyknightrider
@corkyknightrider Жыл бұрын
Destiny. I hope you read this comment. My first introduction with you was your interview with the Rev. Jesse Lee. I've followed you for a long time since then. I am almost entirely opposed to almost every single ,political opinion you have. Period. That said. You are the single most reasonable *honest* person in the sphere right now. You need more of a platform.
@ducknwater3016
@ducknwater3016 Жыл бұрын
100% of all the time when I have debated muslims about the problems with Islam and muslims, they go full retard mode and just attack me personally instead of responding to my argument.
@chrisdryer
@chrisdryer Жыл бұрын
Mostly peaceful death threats…
@sedftnio
@sedftnio Жыл бұрын
@@voidmayonnaise In his defense he did say probably 100%. I’d go with 99.9%.
@undead2146
@undead2146 Жыл бұрын
@@voidmayonnaise imagine the amount of death threats people recieve for just being a streamer, now calculate how many of them DIED because of that. I think the chance of death threats being acted upon is 1 in 10,000,000, you might me luckier to win a lotto than get killed by someone sending death threats
@Thedamped
@Thedamped Жыл бұрын
@@undead2146 I don't know. I feel like a lot of public personalities, including streamers, are killed. I just did a quick google search and looks like another one was killed 3 days ago. Though I guess there are also a lot of death threats. Definitely less likely to win the lottery though.
@ezo2161
@ezo2161 Жыл бұрын
@@undead2146 yeah but how many of those people posted cartoons of Mohammed? We’ve seen before where that leads…
@TheRealZeke2003
@TheRealZeke2003 Жыл бұрын
Mostly Peaceful Religion
@ABSTREKT
@ABSTREKT Жыл бұрын
- I think it's wrong to insult Dumbledore - Sure, but I don't think anyone should be treated with violence for that - Well.... That's your opinion.... LMAO
@paulsinih7404
@paulsinih7404 Жыл бұрын
Timestamp?
@ABSTREKT
@ABSTREKT Жыл бұрын
​@@paulsinih7404 1:34:37
@edmaldonado8207
@edmaldonado8207 Жыл бұрын
Gottem.
@paulsinih7404
@paulsinih7404 Жыл бұрын
@@OneRedKraken this is your 🧠 on religion
@TheChocoboRacer
@TheChocoboRacer Жыл бұрын
"and the majority of people disagree with you" Fucking psychotic
@jakejanssen4319
@jakejanssen4319 Жыл бұрын
This guy just reinforced my bias against Muslims
@VegaTakeOver
@VegaTakeOver Жыл бұрын
holy
@dininelbourne
@dininelbourne Жыл бұрын
My question is: in a world where it is justifiable to physically attack someone for offending you, are they justified in defending themselves from said attack? Can I hit in return or do I just have to hold my hands behind my back and let you wail on me until you feel better?
@beanybabyrabie
@beanybabyrabie Жыл бұрын
Well…. If they think it’s ok to be violent because they’re fragile they should be prepared to become a net to catch lead
@thecheebsy
@thecheebsy Жыл бұрын
Their argument literally comes down to “It hurts our feelings extra more when our prophet is made fun of so violence is justified”
@Polydueces
@Polydueces Жыл бұрын
Do they care as much if someone insults their god? This weird hyper-focused zealotry for some dude who was human is insane to me. Christians at least believe Christ WAS god, so their defense of him makes more sense to me lol
@derpalerpalerp5879
@derpalerpalerp5879 Жыл бұрын
@@Polydueces when u look at it from a Christian country it’s very easy to see Muslim faith in a bad fashion and the only way you can get rid of that idea is by researching into it with an open mind. I can answer a few questions if you want.
@Polydueces
@Polydueces Жыл бұрын
@@derpalerpalerp5879 No, no, you misunderstand. I'm on center of neutrality, this has nothing to do with Christians vs Muslims, or which is better, or seeing one or the other in a bad light. I was simply using an example of another faith that worships a prophet. I only have the one question. Why is Mohammed adored to such a degree that Muslims flip their shit every time he's insulted? Simultaneously, we have millions of atheists who don't just insult god, but deny his very existence, which I would think would be the ultimate insult. Yet, there's no inherent rage at atheists. And if you wanted to include Christians in the over all question, people insult Jesus Christ all the time, constantly. It's part of the normal variety of swearing, to blaspheme Jesus Christ. But Christians turn the other cheek and Muslims threaten to cave in your skull. That's the disconnect. Again, this ISN'T west vs east or culture clash. I have absolutely no interest in some sort of religious conversion attempt or war against my personal beliefs. I just want to know why Islam worships a man so hard.
@derpalerpalerp5879
@derpalerpalerp5879 Жыл бұрын
@@Polydueces the reason prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is held to such high regards is due to his importance as the last prophet, the one who Allah revealed the Quran to and to Muslims he is the example of what a perfect human should be, a man of faith and a man that is strong, kind and protective of the people around him so when the main Muslim role model is insulted it’s seen as a direct threat to Muslims as Muhammad is someone that muslims should try to be like. And on your point of why muslims are defensive is due to culture as Muslims are told to be peaceful and only act in self defence, However the culture in some Muslim countries is very aggressive and oppressive which goes against the teachings of Islam ( for example women can not be forced to wear the hijab in Islam yet some countries try to enforce a compulsory hijab this is completely a human/cultural thing), this same culture is seen in the extremes like isis or terrorist groups across the world, aswell as these people threatening violence and harm upon those who mock the prophet, which gives Islam a bad reputation as most people don’t know enough to discern these groups values and actions from islamic rules and teachings. I probably missed a few things or that might not have been clear but thank you for not being outright rude about the religion like a lot of the comments in this video have been.
@Polydueces
@Polydueces Жыл бұрын
@@derpalerpalerp5879 Again, this isn't a, "Christianity is right, Islam is wrong," thing, it's literally just taking objective perspectives and how things have developed. Christianity had its own age of ultra-violence in the crusades, and perhaps that's a product of any wide-spread religion. It could be that if the population is too much of one thing, they just naturally schism, creating denominations of the same faith, which has been witnessed in both Christianity and Islam already. Thus, I'm not concerned with the perceived violence of Muslims. I work in a very diverse environment with Sikh, atheist, Christian, Muslim, Hindi etc and we all get along fine and we're all aware there are crazies elsewhere in the world in each faith. But I had an actual incident at a restaurant with a friend, where he was talking about exactly what you mentioned, essentially the conflicts in the middle east and said something like, "F'in Muhammed," as some Muslims walked past and it almost came to blows, their reaction was so stark. So even the peaceful Muslims in my area of the world are still capable of the violence I'm asking about. If I walked into a church and openly blasphemed Christ, I'd expect at worst to be escorted out of the building. I'd be terrified of the parallel experience in an Islamic establishment. edit: maybe it's the unknown that's scary. If I sat down with a Muslim coworker and said that, they'd probably frown at me and be offended in peace.
@nvrguru22
@nvrguru22 Жыл бұрын
I actually really enjoy the Whick debates. He does occasionally interject personal opinion when moderating but it doesn’t completely derail debates so I’m fine with it. Most importantly, he doesn’t hesitate to cut off those who can’t hold a reasonable conversation
@thestoebz
@thestoebz Жыл бұрын
I think he was a little too biased for destiny, and this is coming from someone who agreed with destiny. But pretty decent moderation
@tedjaiteh7995
@tedjaiteh7995 Жыл бұрын
based dungeon master
@pain002
@pain002 Жыл бұрын
@@thestoebz that ski mask guy was about 5 seconds away from denying the Holocaust multiple times. If you are unbiased with that man you are a lunatic too. Case closed
@seb3209
@seb3209 Жыл бұрын
I think its more about agreeing with destiny than bias for destiny. I suspect he would have said the exact same things if Destiny was the extremist Muslim.
@thestoebz
@thestoebz Жыл бұрын
@@pain002 nice. Had nothing to do with what I was saying
@chuckles471
@chuckles471 Жыл бұрын
I love that the guy can't say Hindu, can only say "pagan" religion. And he says that Islam isn't fragile, can't even speak the name of a non-abrahamic religion.
@aaronmontgomery2055
@aaronmontgomery2055 Жыл бұрын
I like how he says all major religions get angry when you mock their religions when buddhism is here just not caring.
@QuixEnd
@QuixEnd Жыл бұрын
It's not even just morality, it's effectiveness. Literally any of the effective movement leaders would agree that violence rarely works. These people don't care about their values, they just want to feel good and lash out.
@DavidWalker1987
@DavidWalker1987 Жыл бұрын
Violence does work. It just only works temporarily, so the violent person / group, needs to continue being violent until they have won/have hegemony.
@deathbycognitivedissonance5036
@deathbycognitivedissonance5036 Жыл бұрын
Wrong.
@youtubeviolatedme7123
@youtubeviolatedme7123 Жыл бұрын
Violence is like corporal punishment. Of course it works, but there are more effective ways to deal with misbehavior.
@alexanderjackson8389
@alexanderjackson8389 Жыл бұрын
​@@DavidWalker1987 doesn't "peace" only work temporarily too? Not a lot of things in life are static
@seldian
@seldian Жыл бұрын
A quote I once read was "Violence isn't always the answer, but sometimes it an option"
@Pheonixess
@Pheonixess Жыл бұрын
I'm religious and think this muslim view is embarrassing. My belief in God should not be bruised by what others, especially atheist's think. Muslim's reacting this way about criticisms of their prophet, god or religion demonstrates a false god and that their god is weak and needs to be "defended" or that other's words can insult god ( in reality it bruises their ego.) My God does not need me to defend Him, and being violent to the non-believers doesn't demonstrate God's power, but human frailty.
@deebo429__
@deebo429__ Жыл бұрын
Its almost like, if you knew the correct answer to a math question, but someone else got the answer wrong and you got super mad about it. Why? If the answer is correct then you should be happy to see others try to come to a conclusion, and show them how to get the correct answer.
@annaphillips4288
@annaphillips4288 Жыл бұрын
I'm in no way religious and I really like how you stated what you did ✌️
@MrPerfume1979
@MrPerfume1979 Жыл бұрын
F’in based
@IEarlGrey
@IEarlGrey Жыл бұрын
Very well put
@blazinpyromaniac
@blazinpyromaniac Жыл бұрын
That's easy to say when you live in a country where Christianity is the dominant religion. When you have Islam, a minority religion in the western world, all it does is promote Islamaphobia and hatred (which can lead to violence) towards Muslims who's not in these conversations. Destiny is telling his large audience it's okay to antagonize Muslims despite knowing they will be deeply hurt by the comments. Destiny is being a dickhead of purpose and wants to play victim when he's getting backlash from the communities he's committing hate speech on.
@mariaharris5002
@mariaharris5002 Жыл бұрын
Race and religion should never be compared. I can’t change being black you can change or convert a religion.
@christineharkins1637
@christineharkins1637 Жыл бұрын
By the logic used by the gentleman in this video, couldn’t Destiny’s followers justifiably say “I love Destiny and I’m going to inflict violence upon the people who threaten him?” 😐
@ShawnWeeded510
@ShawnWeeded510 Жыл бұрын
Normal humans: "Insulting someone's religion isn't a justification for violence" Moron:" Bro, he said dragons aren't real bro. RUN MY FADE!!!"
@tarique583
@tarique583 Жыл бұрын
That first dude is insane. As an ex Muslim I don't know anyone that thinks like this either in my family or where I was born.
@stolen7836
@stolen7836 Жыл бұрын
Not a Muslim myself but I grew up mostly around Muslims in the West, in a largely Muslim community, and I can assure you that most of them believe/think/have similar sentiments to these guys. You’re lucky to have never experienced it
@omnigirl177
@omnigirl177 Жыл бұрын
Your average Muslim thinks like this
@Meli-1992
@Meli-1992 Жыл бұрын
My ex fiance who was a muslim and who I was with for 3 years had the same thought as this guy and so did everyone in his family and friends.
@nande6471
@nande6471 Жыл бұрын
@@SkeleTonHammer I'm not sure if lying is allowed even if it helped the faith but i know many who do lie and think it's ok as long as it helps the faith
@rocketrelm1125
@rocketrelm1125 Жыл бұрын
@@stolen7836 It's tricky. He doesn't think like he says he thinks (emotional harm can be responded to with physical violence), and most of the world definitely doesn't think like that, but that's because that's not his true position. His position is that *he specifically* can hurt people who emotionally hurt him with physical violence, and is calling people to violent action to do the same. He's just pretending this is a general principle most of the world holds when he absolutely would not recognize, say, the emotional harm he does to me by calling people to this argument and action if I tried to use it to justify brutally beating the crap out of him and his kin.
@sinkiller112
@sinkiller112 Жыл бұрын
Lmao that dude is actually insane. He's the embodiment of affirmation for all islama-phobes.
@cringeandpunishment3140
@cringeandpunishment3140 Жыл бұрын
He would've made the New Zealand Shooter act faster
@waynewayne8419
@waynewayne8419 Жыл бұрын
​@@somedogsarecops2354sure he was
@deebo429__
@deebo429__ Жыл бұрын
​@@somedogsarecops2354 what a fucking cope lmao. No way you're actually defending this man
@tongpoo8985
@tongpoo8985 Жыл бұрын
​@@somedogsarecops2354 no he wasnt
@jaer.6540
@jaer.6540 Жыл бұрын
@@somedogsarecops2354 that makes it worse because then he is just re-affirming all the stereotypes of muslims.
@Polydueces
@Polydueces Жыл бұрын
It's insane to me how much they worship Muhammed. Christians believe JC WAS GOD, so it makes sense. Muslims understand that Muhammed was just human and they have much fiercer reactions to bad mouthing their prophet than a Christian does to bad mouthing JC. And Islam recognizes JC as a prophet as well, why is there night and day difference in their deference of the two just because to them Muhammed was the last prophet?? Well until Muhammed said anything the whole world was already under the impression that JC was the last prophet and they've acted confused about Christianity's annoyance about the matter ever since. It's definitely a fragile faith made up of extremely violent sects.
@blob3106
@blob3106 Жыл бұрын
As destiny said, “Muhammad is not your daddy”
@Tubeytime
@Tubeytime Жыл бұрын
"Intent to emotionally harm" is impossible to verify, but "intent to physically harm" is crystal clear. That's why we can't punish people for emotional harm.
@langley6642
@langley6642 Жыл бұрын
Also, they were basically making the case at one point that Islam is gaining more converts BECAUSE they don't tolerate criticism. Which is such shit because if something doesn't hold up against criticism its not worth believing.
@ethio1931
@ethio1931 Жыл бұрын
@@ms-rz6phcrazy
@halofornoobs93
@halofornoobs93 Жыл бұрын
I mean, to be fair, it is also because you are forced to practice it in places where it is the majority. The more they breed, the more Muslims there will be. The more Muslims there will be, the more they will exert their beliefs on non-Muslims. Most people I talk to here in America stopped being religious because they didn't want to go to church and stopped as soon as they were able. I think we overvalue criticism a bit too much. We could go the next 100 years in America without criticizing religion at all and adherence will still drop just because it is one less thing people want to do.
@flamingpie6494
@flamingpie6494 Жыл бұрын
​@halofornoobs93 the thing is, you don't have to go to a church to be Christian. Church as defined in the Bible was a gathering of believers discussing faith and struggles. Church nowadays are just bad modern music and offering trays with 15 min of Bible.
@adamlgiroux
@adamlgiroux Жыл бұрын
They lost at the first question, woops. Even Destiny didn't expect that lol
@user-cd4ms6cf8l
@user-cd4ms6cf8l Жыл бұрын
Isn't it funny the outrage? The compulsion to defend Islam when you know these people wouldn't care about Christian criticism is interesting. All criticism of Religion is okay!
@DietWarlord
@DietWarlord Жыл бұрын
The dudes debating Destiny are SO unbelievably unintelligent LMAO
@LooseCampbell
@LooseCampbell Жыл бұрын
How can you argue in good faith with someone in a mask screaming every time he speaks?
@ezo2161
@ezo2161 Жыл бұрын
Teenage Mutant Jihadi Turtle
@beanybabyrabie
@beanybabyrabie Жыл бұрын
Yep. Absolutely unhinged and radical.
@sbeiting07
@sbeiting07 Жыл бұрын
Shoutout to the moderator. Great demeanor for his role and keeps things moving
@ssscout
@ssscout Жыл бұрын
amazing video
@ToveriJuri
@ToveriJuri Жыл бұрын
Meh I got bored at the 20 minute mark of the other guy just shouting and making the same exact argument over and over again.
@Daxcius
@Daxcius Жыл бұрын
It's crazy how every culture has a story of a man succumbing to pride or ego and this leads to them harming someone. Which leads to that person having horrible consequences for said actions.
@alphabet_sketches
@alphabet_sketches Жыл бұрын
Nothing irritates me more thang the whole ratio argument of "your opinion is unpopular, so obviously you're wrong."
@DemoNXCros
@DemoNXCros Жыл бұрын
That's false too...people are just scared of crazy suicide bombers and mass shooting over a pic/joke so they banned those. It's not even the unpopular opinion lol
@TaskMaster5
@TaskMaster5 Жыл бұрын
Know what else was an unpopular opinion? Abolishing slavery. So unpopular it was one of a major factors for an entire war. Imagine if back then we used the 'lol you're the minority so fuck off' logic all through history. XD Yet they use that like an own. A lot of ideas/philosophies were not considered 'popular' but grew over time by convincing opposition of their merits.
@notoriousriot250
@notoriousriot250 Жыл бұрын
Argumentum ad Populum
@couldyou4745
@couldyou4745 Жыл бұрын
I'm not even convinced that the opinion that "you shouldn't harm people over words" is the unpopular opinion. Lol certainly not in developed , civilized countries.
@couldyou4745
@couldyou4745 Жыл бұрын
​@@notoriousriot250 ow wow you such big smart. Good words.
@personavideo7712
@personavideo7712 Жыл бұрын
The world would be screwed if most people thought physical pain was a justified reaction to emotional pain
@MrVenomsaurus
@MrVenomsaurus Жыл бұрын
The other guy is coping, if he thinks they're in the majority, the west does condemns physical violence especially if it's cause someone's feeling got hurt.
@nelsonraley
@nelsonraley Жыл бұрын
The parts of the world that operate under this standard are pretty screwed, yeah.
@nelsonraley
@nelsonraley Жыл бұрын
@@fifiadan Among young, foolish (and physically weaker) men in particular, as they’re quicker to violence than wiser and stronger men.
@scaryjoker
@scaryjoker Жыл бұрын
@@MrVenomsaurus the west doesn't give a shit about anything unless it makes them money.
@paulsinih7404
@paulsinih7404 Жыл бұрын
​@@fifiadan even if you hurl insults, that doesn't mean it's in their right to respond with violence, unless you seriously desire to be behind bars, and are in love with a prison environment
@ChrisCoul
@ChrisCoul Жыл бұрын
Samuel Paty was beheaded for a cartoon of their made up profit. That is savage.
@tezwah5651
@tezwah5651 11 ай бұрын
If you make it punishable by death to leave a religion it's not surprising they have a net gain for conversions. Its incredible how little thought these people put into their own beliefs, they just want to reaffirm their preconceived conclusion.
@BeastmanWatchUrMouth
@BeastmanWatchUrMouth Жыл бұрын
70% of the world thinks it's okay to respond to insults with violence? Wtf is that shit? According to what study/poll? Dude just says that and banks his whole majority/minority argument on it and destiny doesn't even push back. Is that even true?
@TR13400
@TR13400 Жыл бұрын
​@@fifiadan we aren't talking about walking up to people and insulting them. We are talking about putting out tweets, that aren't even directed at individuals. Way different scenarios being throw around here. Either way, responding to insults with violence is illegal and should be illegal.
@joelalexandersson9444
@joelalexandersson9444 Жыл бұрын
I don't know the study but I assume he is right. 70% of the world population (and probably more) is not from 1st world countries. China, India and the rest of southeast asia make up around half of the world population, and outside of the main cities they aren't really that civilized as nations. And even there, violence is way more "normal" in China and India than, say, in France or Germany. Besides, Muslims are quick to justify violence. After the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack, like 30% of muslims in the UK said that it was deserved and they had no sympathy at all. And those are just muslims that actually live in a western society, imagine the rest. The world is a violent place my friend, you have no idea how lucky we are to be born in 1st world countries.
@PPSainity
@PPSainity Жыл бұрын
The argument @ 1:26:19 blew my mind. Majority = correct?!? I understand this argument may apply in cases of democratic outcomes and direction, but not in terms of factual or moral correctness. If enough people start thinking as this idiot does, I fear the day flat Earthers became the majority. The Earth is flat cause most of us say it is. SMH.
@D-AVGGamer
@D-AVGGamer Жыл бұрын
Bc it's true. The cuck left and pussies may not think so but just ask any dude that weighs more than 140 lbs if they would swing on someone if that person insults their mother, daughters, wife's, or girlfriends? Most ppl first reaction to disrespect is some form of violence, right or wrong. I would punch you if you disrespected my wife in my face.
@undead2146
@undead2146 Жыл бұрын
@@TR13400 we aren’t talking about people hitting and killing destiny, we are talking about twitter dm’s being sent to destiny, imagine insulting an entire group of people because you are triggered by a few twitter dm’s Thats the peak of human fragility And for someone that likes free speech he seems to cry to elon a lot about banning those in his dm’s.
@Graavyrobber
@Graavyrobber Жыл бұрын
Face to face discussion, but his opponent was too much of a coward to show his 😂
@paulsinih7404
@paulsinih7404 Жыл бұрын
Yup, but i thought religion was the basis of masculinity?
@raystevenson7827
@raystevenson7827 Жыл бұрын
uh maybe because these views don't hold up in a western society and he wants to actually have privacy and not be doxxed by offended people
@deivydasbaksa3324
@deivydasbaksa3324 Жыл бұрын
Eh it’s fine
@devonbananastar4170
@devonbananastar4170 Жыл бұрын
@@raystevenson7827 like they did to Steven ..?
@shaftgrasper6695
@shaftgrasper6695 Жыл бұрын
@@raystevenson7827 They irony in your comment. Lmao get a grip.
@melinagoranson
@melinagoranson Жыл бұрын
After listening to this I quit Islam. I feel ashamed to be associated with these people.
@Tyreeceholmes
@Tyreeceholmes Жыл бұрын
it baffled me that both proponents of Islam thought "emotional harm equates to physical " that take is so absurdly naive😊
@e87w76
@e87w76 Жыл бұрын
So refreshing to see the islamic toxicity criticized publicly. Still Steven is extremely gentle with them. This convo is a great example of how much more knowledgeable, intelligent and mature he is than a representative of the other side. There is no room for islamic aggression in a socially developed society.
@pain002
@pain002 Жыл бұрын
I dont think you even need to make it specifically Islamic violence either. Just physical aggression in general. These two guys want their special hat so badly but they aren't getting it. They aren't special
@ronniekregar3482
@ronniekregar3482 Жыл бұрын
Ummm, Destiny was the one shitting on the Muslim religion lol. Steven was being a total douchebag which is just so surprising to me, because he literal show’s charity to every single other marginalized group
@TheRedHaze3
@TheRedHaze3 Жыл бұрын
@@pain002 You do need to make it specifically Islamic violence if Muslims are getting the free pass. No one wants to criticise them because they're afraid of either being attacked, or being called Islamophobic.
@MrStarnger1
@MrStarnger1 Жыл бұрын
@@TheRedHaze3 whos getting a free pass? excuse me but muslims have been suffering from the effects of 9/11 for 20 YEARS and being called a terrorist and being physically and verbally harmed for just being muslim and you say that muslims get a free pass? you are delusional and brainwashed, since you are generalizing muslims to be responsible for acts of violence commited by individuals who identify as muslims, 'muslims are getting a free pass' implies that somehow they should be punished for these individuals. Get out of the echo chamber you placed yourself in and look at muslims as human beings instead of terrorists(which u implied in your comment)
@TheRedHaze3
@TheRedHaze3 Жыл бұрын
@@MrStarnger1 Excuse me, I meant getting a free pass from progressives. That's an issue because this shouldn't be partisan, and progressives not talking about and condemning unjustified violence by Muslims makes it seem like there isn't obviously one right answer. I'm not generalising and my statement does not imply that all Muslims should be punished. You're obviously emotionally compromised and reading too much into my comment.
@leeuchiha5661
@leeuchiha5661 Жыл бұрын
Remember everyone, you may not be able to have control of a situation but you have 100% control on how you respond.
@someasshole42
@someasshole42 Жыл бұрын
"So you mean even if you were really super duper butthurt you still wont respond with violence?" Bro what was his argument even
@Acidlib
@Acidlib Жыл бұрын
“If sneaker heads hold their Air Jordans in the same regard as you would your family, then would it not be justified for them to shoot someone for scuffing their shoes?”
@62shayne
@62shayne Жыл бұрын
Boy, did they make Destiny’s point 😂
@co-bruh1423
@co-bruh1423 Жыл бұрын
Precisely. Proved that religious people are ignorant, fragile, impulsive, and psychotic. Their points should never be considered and opinions torn down simply based off who it comes from.
@callmedoc6294
@callmedoc6294 Жыл бұрын
A lot of people I know are like this guy. If a person of faith believes in the idea of violence against those who insult their faith, they almost never actually NEED a real reason to enact violence or harass someone. Hateful, vile beings. Destiny is absolutely right to describe them as savages.
@ezo2161
@ezo2161 Жыл бұрын
It’s funny how they’ll openly admit these beliefs and claim that they’re he’d by the majority, but then inevitably cry foul when western countries start restricting immigration from the Islamic world.
@GuessWhatHappened1
@GuessWhatHappened1 Жыл бұрын
The disrespect is the reason. They did a terrible job of saying it, but the hold religion above their own existence. Its the reason the can have strict conseqences even for their own family. The prophet is above. I wouldnt call it savage because their is a reason.
@sieyk
@sieyk Жыл бұрын
@@GuessWhatHappened1 I think that a religion that promotes the breaking of the law of a country should either change or not exist in that country.
@kahnfbio6593
@kahnfbio6593 Жыл бұрын
@@GuessWhatHappened1 I could hold literally anything above my own existence and then justify violence. It’s not a valid reason at all.
@GuessWhatHappened1
@GuessWhatHappened1 Жыл бұрын
@@kahnfbio6593 Lets not be vague he said punching someone. Thats it. He never said beheading or killing. Punching
@user-dz1ot7rl7j
@user-dz1ot7rl7j 10 ай бұрын
Im not even Christian, and i can admit that Christianity is the dominant religion of the world, and you can prove that it is, by asking a two questions. What year is it? 2023? 2023 sense what?
@wabbitseason80085
@wabbitseason80085 10 ай бұрын
Since when the Catholics thought Jesus was born when they made the calendar. So what?
@nic12344
@nic12344 Жыл бұрын
Imagine believing in a god so weak that you, a mere mortal, need to defend it from being mocked...
@silversalmon9909
@silversalmon9909 10 ай бұрын
To be fair, they generally say Allah needs no defense, that he is all powerful and above being mocked. The prophet Mohammed however, it is decreed in the Quran that any mockery of Mohammed must be met with punishment.
@shiekastate
@shiekastate Жыл бұрын
The irony of calling Destiny chauvinistic with his beliefs because he's in the 'minority' and then using the 'majority' opinion to tell him he's wrong. Textbook projection.
@Onthebrink5
@Onthebrink5 Жыл бұрын
Projection is an online buzzword at this point. It is so over used that it is almost meaningless at this point. Like calling someone triggered. Displacement needs more time to diagnose. What you are talking about is an argumentum ad populum fallacy. It has nothing to do with projection. Using buzzwords like projection do tend to get you likes and validation by others that do likewise.
@LIQUIDSNAKEz28
@LIQUIDSNAKEz28 Жыл бұрын
@@Onthebrink5 I like turtles 🐢
@Onthebrink5
@Onthebrink5 Жыл бұрын
@@LIQUIDSNAKEz28 Turtles are pretty cool.
@Tubeytime
@Tubeytime Жыл бұрын
I looked up the definition of "chauvinistic" and realized it's an ad-hominem with no actual meaning whatsoever.
@Rufofeli
@Rufofeli Жыл бұрын
The funniest thing is that if we follow that Mental Gymnastics that he did, Christianity has more believers, therefore it is they, the majority, who are right and not Islam
@LightningDoesStrikeThrice
@LightningDoesStrikeThrice Жыл бұрын
This went from 'sticks & stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me' to 'let's sanction jihad because words hurt' so fking quick
@fishy_on_me
@fishy_on_me Жыл бұрын
Please im trying so hard to fight this islamophobia growing inside me I really don't want it to be this way
@chrisspieker4202
@chrisspieker4202 Жыл бұрын
Does Destiny need to be there for this conversation? Couldn't the other guy Screech and cry and make up Destiny's arguments without him there? He'd be responding the same.
@WillieDangerously
@WillieDangerously Жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as nonphysical violence. Harrasment, mental or emotional abuse, these all exist, but by definition, they are not the same as violence.
@Urbanmember1
@Urbanmember1 Жыл бұрын
Say that to the guys imprisoned in Guantanamo bay having to listen to pop songs for weeks nonstop.
@samuelfleisher
@samuelfleisher Жыл бұрын
@@Urbanmember1 you mean the people forced into a cage?
@baileyskates
@baileyskates Жыл бұрын
@@samuelfleisher gottem
@VA-gu1jq
@VA-gu1jq Жыл бұрын
@@Urbanmember1 You’re not making the point you think you are..
@biggerdoofus
@biggerdoofus Жыл бұрын
Part of the problem that comes up with "violence" in these debates is that more radical political thinkers for the last century have been trying to shift the range of meaning for words in directions they find useful. In the case of "violence", a lot of people in politics use it as a synonym of "harm" with a more abstract connotation and never consider that the more common definition is closer to the one in physics (something like "consisting of rapid changes in velocity and acceleration"). Put simply, a lot of political and philosophical thinkers need to touch grass.
@dr.cloud1258
@dr.cloud1258 Жыл бұрын
I love how at the end their cope was "the majority agrees with my side" as they had used all their other points during the debate and had them thrown back in their faces.
@GiltleyRage
@GiltleyRage Жыл бұрын
They literally called them extremists for not believing in violence xD That's the craziest shit I've heard in a while.
@oedipuslaius7793
@oedipuslaius7793 Жыл бұрын
Responding with violence to an emotional hurt is def the move of the savage
@The-Owl-Bard
@The-Owl-Bard Жыл бұрын
Kind of lowers the value of this guy's argument when he hides behind a mask while making all his points 😅
@legittshittful
@legittshittful Жыл бұрын
Fragile is the perfect word for someone who will physically harm you over words
@AFJism
@AFJism Жыл бұрын
sounds dumb. So some random guys could verbally abuse your wife, mother father and you would let that slide. if it's just words why do you guys make a claim for verbal abuse as being violence in relationships?
@AFJism
@AFJism Жыл бұрын
that's not fragile.
@michalvesely3484
@michalvesely3484 Жыл бұрын
​​@@AFJismThere's a difference between being offended because someone insulted your family member and being offended because someone insulted a man, who's been dead for 1400 years and you're not even related to him.
@AFJism
@AFJism Жыл бұрын
@@michalvesely3484 You did the same thing Destiny did missed the guys point. He said to them The prophet is like family, not a stranger.. That's the difference and what destiny was missing
@monkusaugustus4017
@monkusaugustus4017 11 ай бұрын
​@@AFJismyou missed Destiny's point, he's not asking if it's understandable for someone to respond with violence to insults but if it's moral to do so, also if i said that Destiny is like family to me then would i be justified in killing everyone that insulted him?
@snake2250
@snake2250 Жыл бұрын
I think this conversation made me unironically Islamophobic if these people are the majority opinion.
@TR13400
@TR13400 Жыл бұрын
The opinion of individual Muslims isn't important, it's even more damning that it's the TEXTS and the religion itself that cultivates this "violence is okay" attitude. Study the Quran and you will be perplexed by the teachings in it.
@ktool4855
@ktool4855 Жыл бұрын
This guy is a textbook example of how Muslims in Europe and the Middle East think and behave, never allow a leftist to claim its just a minority of them that are like this because it simply isn't. In Europe we have signed our death warrant by importing millions of them, before the end of this century they will be a majority and in the coming decades its going to be very apparent where Europe is heading. You don't have to be far right or right wing to understand that western Europe is in ALOT of trouble.
@habesha6883
@habesha6883 Жыл бұрын
It’s the majority opinion..that’s why they have blasphemy and apostasy laws in almost every Muslim country
@Covary2
@Covary2 Жыл бұрын
please don't have this guy on again, his emotional yelling and infinite circling makes him too schizo for a productive convo
@sirdrprofessor2890
@sirdrprofessor2890 Жыл бұрын
When you think harming yourself is the same as harming someone else, you may have lost the plot.
@DaoistQ
@DaoistQ Жыл бұрын
My mom taught me that the argument that "everyone does it" is not valid at all when I was a toddler. I guess some people never learned that.
@oz_jones
@oz_jones Жыл бұрын
"Would you jump down a well if everybody else is doing it?" was one of the things my mom said to me when I wanted something that "everybody had". Forgot what it was, so it wasn't THAT important. The lesson stayed with me, though.
@TheTwenty42
@TheTwenty42 Жыл бұрын
Great content over the last week or so. Could it be we are finally turning the corner past the drama/red pill arc and getting back to actual political/ethical debates? Fingers crossed!!
@couldyou4745
@couldyou4745 Жыл бұрын
NOPE! FUCK outta here with that CORNY ASS SHIT. We ain't gon stop talkin bout 304s and why YOU NEED TO BE RICH , LOSER!
@yevgeniygrechka6431
@yevgeniygrechka6431 Жыл бұрын
One thing that I wish was clarified is that even in places where you aren't allowed to criticize religion, I don't believe that some rando can just punch you in the face for it. The idea that the state has the monopoly on violence (outside cases of physical self-defense) is a pretty universal one I believe.
@user-Radost233
@user-Radost233 29 күн бұрын
Yeah, it gets pretty crazy. I saw an islamic youtuber/teacher talk about how a mob lynching and burning someone for blasphemy was wrong because it wasn’t clear he did it deliberately and that it hadn’t been decided in a court of law. Not that killing people for blasphemy was wrong, just that the state hadn’t done it.
@nickydee569
@nickydee569 Жыл бұрын
"We outnumber you" Drone: lol
@svaucyi
@svaucyi Жыл бұрын
ironic how someone who would say responding to insults with violence is okay has their face covered. The only time violence is ever the right response is if yours or someone you want to protect life is at stake, calling someone cringe dosnt mean they deserve to have a broken nose, kinda crazy how thats even a debate topic for people who are adults
@tiktokexposed898
@tiktokexposed898 Жыл бұрын
Because it is ok. Don't insult someone if you value your safety
@MrStarnger1
@MrStarnger1 Жыл бұрын
not ok doesnt mean it wont happen
@svaucyi
@svaucyi Жыл бұрын
@@MrStarnger1 very true. but at the expense of somethings so insignificant the outcome isnt something you can necessarily justify "oh you got shot cause you said they are a bitch, maybe you shoudnt call someone that" its not something to try and seek reason, its savage to resort to that extreme, i can understand maybe getting threats of violence but resorting to it is retarded, no self control of emotions
@svaucyi
@svaucyi Жыл бұрын
@@tiktokexposed898 depends on what others would consider an insult, so if violence would be an appropriate response where would the line be? like what if you say hello to your neighbor and they take it as insult and start beating you up, lol yes i know thats an odd analogy but my point still remains, where would the line be until violence is unjustified? either we can take every verbal word as insult and respond with violence or dont respond with violence at all until its to protect your life not ego.
@tiktokexposed898
@tiktokexposed898 Жыл бұрын
@@svaucyi your right the line is not clear. Legally its hard to draw that line so its probably better to make violence illegal. But practically speaking insulting someone will get you in trouble. So dont insult someone to their face if youre not ready to to deal with the physical repercussions
@RDMatija
@RDMatija Жыл бұрын
If you wanna be savages in your savage country go for it. noone says you cant.
@RDMatija
@RDMatija Жыл бұрын
The problem then is that your country is so shit and savage you move away form it to have a better life. The ironically try to make this "better" place as shit as the place you left.
@undead2146
@undead2146 Жыл бұрын
Then why is destiny crying after a couple twitter dm’s? For someone that’s all about free speech he cried the biggest these past few days and started a holy crusade against muslims because a couple of dm’s Thats a fragile man if I ever seen one
@ethio1931
@ethio1931 Жыл бұрын
@@undead2146again a concerning amount of Muslims condone and vocalize this rhetoric
@undead2146
@undead2146 Жыл бұрын
@@ethio1931 yet he’s the one crying the biggest
@stolen7836
@stolen7836 Жыл бұрын
@@undead2146 Typical Violent Muslim. Why am I not surprised hahahaha. Imagine being so fragile about your “god” you can’t take a joke on social media LMAO
@99Bobson
@99Bobson Жыл бұрын
"If you are in the minority, you ARE wrong" True, based, civil rights was wrong, anti slavery was wrong, based!
@pow3r17
@pow3r17 Жыл бұрын
its incredible taht in 2023 some ppl stil tinks is of to sue violence is someone makes a joek about religion lmao
@inhabitantofearth
@inhabitantofearth Жыл бұрын
It's concerning to know that people think it's okay to act in violence over insults...especially if you're not a psychopath or someone who physiologically lacks empathy or impulse control.....This is why I do not live in the hood anymore. People get killed because they hurt someone's feelings/ego. What an easy and convenient way to NOT take responsibility or do the work to self-improve 😮‍💨 Like, work on your triggers people, and little things like words will not bother you anymore!
@Quansen45
@Quansen45 Жыл бұрын
"Most of the world disagrees that insults can't be met with violence." You are making it real easy for me to say I'm superior to most of the world then.
@Eeee-jh2gr
@Eeee-jh2gr Жыл бұрын
Being disrespectful opens you up to the chance of violence happening to you 🤷‍♂️
@domerame5913
@domerame5913 Жыл бұрын
@@Eeee-jh2gr Committing violence in my country opens you up to being sent back to your muslim country where you will live a terrible life compared to the west 🤷‍♂ Don't like living in a civilized society you can just leave
@SB-se7vb
@SB-se7vb Жыл бұрын
@@Eeee-jh2gr Leaving your house opens you up to the chance of violence happening to you. Most violent people are unhinged and disrespect can merely be misperceived and negligible in the grand scheme of things.
@RustedBuddy5192
@RustedBuddy5192 Жыл бұрын
​@SB-se7vb You forgot to add "oooga oooga" at the end there. Otherwise he wont understand you.
@Eeee-jh2gr
@Eeee-jh2gr Жыл бұрын
@@RustedBuddy5192 lol
@metalcadude2
@metalcadude2 Жыл бұрын
Can we just get rid of religion so humans can actually evolve forwards.
@Ko0okieeZ
@Ko0okieeZ 11 ай бұрын
Yeah like chairman mao or the soviet union?
@tonytomato100
@tonytomato100 Жыл бұрын
How can you ask for a face to face debate and hide your face
@Skibbityboo0580
@Skibbityboo0580 Жыл бұрын
Especially when talking about Islamic violence.
@Skibbityboo0580
@Skibbityboo0580 Жыл бұрын
Especially when talking about Islamic violence.
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