It’s time to worry about anything Warner bros wants to put out

The ironic thing is they can make more money with a single player game cause there cheaper too make than a live services which cost more money and complexity than a 10 to 40 hours game.

They better not make HL2 live service or we riot

Mostly, all they have to do, from that executive level anyway, is stay out of it. Let the studios make what they want. This is how Larian made BG3, Guerilla made Horizon, Naughty Dog made Last of Us. Many other examples. In the case of live service games, it's also how we ended up with Helldivers. They just made what they wanted, and the added a little friendly microtransactions to help the game be a live service game, but it didn't have any of that "we must charge so much that we can make billions" mentality that ruins live service games for everyone. Just let the devs make what they want. You'll get better games. You'll sometimes get so-so games, but you'll get far fewer Suicide Squads while simultaneously killing one of your best studios.

When Will they learn that we do not want live service games. And god pls don’t ruin Hogwarts Legacy. That game is such a gem.

I remember when Warner brothers games used to be a sure thing. With the Arkham series and shadow of mordor etc. zaslov is shitifying it.

If you want an owl you will have to pay for it in the shop. For the base game you get a toad. A lot like the actual movie tbh.

as someone with 150+ hours in Hogwarts Legacy (HL) this is such a valid concern! I also realise HP is so popular that it could just be rehashed exact same game with multiplier and it would probably sell just as well, due to the fan base plus people buying in because it will most certainly be boycotted again and they buy anything that is boycotted! (people really did buy HL just to oppose the boycotte). I just want another fun game that take me away from the real world! that's what Harry potter is, that's what HL needs to remain being!

If Hogwarts legacy 2 is going to be a 'Live Service' game there gonna get a big fat no thanks from me, alot of people are not going to like this news at all

Micheal Scott said it best “Desperate situations lead to the quickest results” standards go down too 💀

I really hope K the Justice League is a wake up call to WB maybe they will start making better calls now but I'm not holding my breath.

zaslav speed running killing both cinema and video games in one swoop its almost impressive

What about those gamers who can't afford these thousands of dollars? this is reducing the size of the playerbase in that way...

It might be the first Quintuple A game!

That's funny. I thought about this a few days ago. Now seeing this. Make it clear for me that our fear is warranted

Were it not for their insanity of releases lately I wouldn't be too opposed to a live service Hogwarts game. That would potentially mean seasonal events, like say the Triwizard Tournament and stuff. But more likely they'll just do something stupid, and not even make a particularly compelling game.

1 minute in and I think Warner bros have just completely ignored the downfall of microtransactions and live service games

I’m so sick of gaming publishers forcing live service games, it’s so ridiculous!!! Most normal people don’t want to pay for their live service scam, they need to freaking get over it!!! And stop ruining games for the rest of us!

9:00 Honestly gamers will get over it if the game can turn itself around. No man's sky, cyberpunk gamers will forgive or they will forget if the next game is good enough

i really do fear for the future of gaming because indi games are pretty much the go to solution now when people get sick and tired of AAA garbage games now😢

Does WB not realize that hogwarts was already the best selling game of 2023? Why in the heck would they want to mess it up and make it live service? This is beyond dumb.

Really seems like WB competitors were able to send an undercover operative disguised as a high value executive and now they’re ruining WB from the inside 😂 that has to be the only reason

The suits do everything in their power to to bend and remold the entirety of the gaming landscape to be more like mobile games and those other exceptions because that’s what they do: break things and rebuild them in their ideal image. Same things happened to streaming where the power players have done everything they can including Netflix to make streaming just like what cable television was.

The main reason why I’m a little more optimistic about DC is that James Gunn is making games set in the upcoming DCU. I would be shocked if we see live service games come from that. Lol

I treat WB the same way i treat Blizzard or Ubisoft. I assume garbage until the reviews tell me otherwise. I never get excited for a release from a company like WB. If it releases and is good thats cool, but ill never be the idiot simp preordering or getting over excited about trailers

I'd like to think WB has learned from both the last 3 games released (SSKTJL, Gotham Knights, and Mortal Kombat 1) have ALL had major push backs.

WB just gotta let the devs cook in peace an not pester them at every moment with stupid ideas they already had enough problems with Hogwarts legacy because it was their first big videogame project

Yes this is kinda true. Always when people bring up things they are mad or disappointed about i will mention Game of Thrones Season 8 every time. xD

What do I gota do to get a high budget matrix game from WB

I wouldn’t a live service hl aspect but not a only pvp/pve type game

I mean, i don't see how you can be more diverse than a trans barkeep, asian grounds keeper, and african witches in a game that takes place in 1800s England.

Execs seem to be trying to replicate the concept of Warcraft - from W1-3 to WoW

The reason people consume more of a franchise is because they want more. If they already have a infinite amount, why would they come back for more?

No I am a player who had 50+ hours in a lot of games and even 100+ hours in several games and in some over 200+ hours (and one with over 9000 but thats another thing) I play nearly only singleplayer, even Palworld, Enshrouded ect. I just play them offline local. I play one live service game. If a game is always online live service - I'm out, I don't buy it I don't play it, I don't need it - there are so many games out there without any live service cash grab BS it is no problem to avoid live service games. Yes Diablo 4 looks great at release, always online extreme overpriced cash shop - I'm out - I can play Grim Dawn or Last Epoch both have an offline single player mode. Just an overpriced cash shop is to much for me - UBI lost me with AC Valhalla and Far Cry 6. I played every AC since the first one, but Red with this Hub and even more BS monetization... sorry I don't care. So if a publisher release a game of a franchise I really like and it is always on live Service - no I don't play it, the moment they announce it will be live service my engagement is =0. Any game without an offline mode get avoided. Why because I can play depending on their servers, if they have any issue or turn off the server because of any possible reason the game will not be playable anymore. As long as the game have an offline mode I can play the latest version of the game Independent.

It is certainly time to worry about Warner Bro Games Rocksteady and gaming in general or not.

All good let em do it. It just won't sell like suicide squad and ultimately fail and probably get this dude removed

Bro they destroyed Rocksteady, they will 100% destroy Hogwarts 2

Yeah I could see Legacy 2 being live service, Sweet Baby Inc former employees getting hired, and rushed/buggy like MK1, SS, and Gotham Knights.

WB have already destroyed RockSteady and Netherrealm Studios by forcing live service games. They are going all in on this as they themselves have said, they will absolutely ruin every title they have for that micro transaction money - until they bust.

I don't see any reason to think WB couldn't absolutely print money with a Harry Potter live service game.

To be honest, I think a large of the gaming population IS willing to buy any content from their favorite franchise. I try to remind myself that for every Luke Stephens, there are 9 other casual gamers who dont even really know what live service means.

I get it. They want that fortnite or GTA online money. But those games are special cases. Nearly every other live service game has already died. Always online connection baked so deep into a game means players will no longer be able to play them when the servers eventually sunset. And they will. I feel so neglected as a fan of traditional single player games…. Like we get so few AAA offerings now a days. I get the indie scene is popping off but like I want more high budget single player focused games from heavy hitters like Rockstar and I’d rather not have to waste a decade in between games

Well said Luke

I’ve read all the Harry Potter Books, watch all the movies and I’ve seen the live stage production. I haven’t played Hogwarts Legacy and it’s not on my radar. Does this make me a hardcore fan?

Let's say WB does it. The next game they make is an incredibly successful live service. Okay but now a bunch of their other games are also live service? Wouldn't that cannabialize your own products. How many live service games does the average gamer play? One or maybe two. Like what is the endgame? It seems so shortsighted and driven by greed.

Don't worry. Be happy. No ones forcing you to put hundreds of hours into games. If you arnt having fun, stop playing. I remember when starfield came out and people said "it gets good after 35 hours" Why play a game if your not having fun after trying it for a little whole. No ones going to put 100 hours into a game if they arnt enjoying it. You said you put 50 hours into starfield and thought it was meh but if the game was actually meh you wouldn't even get like 2 hours into it. I'm not super apposed to live service games. It's when game compnays cut corners and make a bad game and expect us to pay extra, that s when I would not buy a game.

the SAD part is that they should be doing the Wonder Woman game with EVERY major superhero out there. should be a total golden age of single player experiences that people would fall over eachother to play and beat.

Of course we need to worry about WB. But let’s also not forget that making suicide squad a live service was Rocksteady’s idea. Never forget.

Yes WB do more live service games. Suicide Squad was such a resounding success.

It's hard to put the idea of "Good Games is what people buy-" mentality to Corporate Companies, because people kept buying Corporate Trash like the COD games, FIFA games or any other Casino Game disguised as a Casino Game. The Gacha Games, has more fun and content, despite having Gachapon Mechanics. People play those. Why? It's fun. You can play other games like those and have fun, without spending any money and it's worth their time but having a Game that's like the Live Services, are mostly a waste of time, because they'll do this.

I bought mk1 day 1, and my conclusion is: i'll problably skip the next nrs games for now on, if they have the same vibe

Eh its okay. The first game is fantastic in my eyes so if the next one sucks, i wont cry about it and i wont play it. Ive seen a lot of my favorite studios and franchises die in the past decade (Mostly DC) and I dont like the Harry Potter Franchise because its very problematic in my eyes, so i already feel pretty emotionally disconnected to this situation. But Hogwarts Legacy was so special for me for some reason, it was cool to see this world from a different perspective, my perspective, which was unique for me in relation to this franchise. The only reason i stopped playing it was because they gave me a slave against my will and that made me feel uncomfortable.

They are literally doing the opposite of the success and profit they got from HL last year. It’s like what the heck are they even in these high positions for if they making dumb decisions like this. They have their own game in Suicide Squad that is a prime example that customers don’t want those types of games.

I think everyone is kind of mistaken. Imagine if Hogwarts Legacy became a platform and they continually release story DLC instead of coming out with Hogwarts Legacy 2.

I don’t at base think live service games are bad (look at fortnite for example) it just very much comes down to execution

There’s so many improvements that need to be made to Hogwarts legacy that live service shouldn’t even be in the discussion imo

but it's good that there are already existing harry potter mobile games

How is this only now just clicking? This isn't new info, it was blatantly obvious this means Hogwarts Legacy as well I think they also basically spelled it out that it could have been monetized a lot more on-top of the huge sales it made. Honestly what rock have you been under for this just to click now?

Titanfall 2 is such an unsung masterpiece of a FPS game that EA moronically botched

hogwarts mmo?....i mean im down, we have to acknowledge that games being live service is not what we hate about them, it's the predatory practices to milk their playerbase as well as poor lazy gameplay. If a game is good enough and not predatory enough we will praise it even if it is a live service game, helldivers 2 is a testament to that.

Luke: "There is no way they are so stupid to not be aware the core reason Hogwarts was successful" - QUE THE SPONGEBOB 3 HOURS LATER SIGN - Warner Bros. Discovery head of gaming J.B. Perrette doubles down again (triples down?) on live service declaring Hogwarts a fluke. Not Luke's fault at all, he does very thoughtful analysis and I totally would have agreed with him. Strange times...

what sad is do they even play test their game in the middle of making it ? its one thing to have bugs but if the game are just broken / boring why continue wasting money ? smh

Gaming in 2024 “ how many different ways can we and how many things can we cry and complain about, nothing is good enough!!!”

The only thing I want is an online mode or co op mode at least. But I want to be able to attend classes and go on adventurers with other players.

Gamers let’s make a stand, boycott AAA games!!

I can't wait to see the shit show that the Wonder Woman game by Monolith will be.

To be fair, EA lies to gamers about all their games and somehow people keep paying for them 🤷‍♂️

Let’s not pretend HL doesn’t already include many live services style features and gameplay. They probably decided to go strictly single player at some point during production.

Well if they do go the abysmal way that they are stating and ruin there company and IP's then at least we have the original Hogwarts Legacy that they can't ruin right. Future Hogwarts legacy games could suffer a lot from this. I cannot make this make sense when they deliver a single player game that becomes the best selling game of 2023 and then bring a live service game that flops in days. Just to double down on live service... Huh? Absolutely braindead and out of touch to no extent.

Let's just not buy Live service games. Because they'll start Giving us more Avengers and Suicide Squad games. We really don't want those.

Slow news day?

Might? MIGHT???!!!!! Warner's full attention is now on it and all they can possibly do now is mess it up. That's the WB way. That's why they've been merged, bought, and sold off for the last 25 years. It's a horribly run company.

😂 I guess if it’s bad it’ll be Hogfarts Legacy

gimme hogwarts legacy online, aka gta online but in hogwarts, should be able to interact with all the ai, if i want to leviosa some mf into a wall lemme do that.

Hope the failure of suicide squad deters them a bit

Suicide Live service game haha. That sounds very 1984/Brave New World

When this idea failed and the games produced based on this mindset flop, guess who are going to be fire.

How often I was told, that I am not a true fan because I critequed a movie or game negative. No this "fan" (or super fan) thing is not just a stinking head. The whole body is rotten. There are people out there who happiely lick the boot, the perfect PR victims. Just because they dont have a real sense of comunity.

A hogwarts game where you do classes and roam the castle with friends, maybe could play quidditch online against others and earn house points by doing tasks would be fun.i mean I'm not sure how they would monetize it and that definitely gonna be what makes or breaks that. But if you attached that online to hogwarts legacy 2 you could have a stew going. Also if just doing live service then make game free to play, especially if it's always online.

They made a lot of money off a very mediocre game before, they'd be silly to mess that up, imagine if Hogwarts had been more than a mid Ubisoft clone with a Harry Potter skin.

…..*sigh* god damnit

Honestly if it was a live service game I actually think it could be succesful however what they should do is add an online mode to legacy to test it out and see what people want. I also dont mind a live service game for harry potter if they add a school system and jobs, quidditch and all the things that arent in hogwarts legacy it could work because it would be similar to gta rp

NO!! Just NO😡

Bro you are extremely naive to think "more online games" doesn't mean every damn thing they gonna put out!!! Thought u smarter than that!!!💯💯💯

Oh boy, I can’t wait for “Hogwarts Awkward Bartender Voice” part 2. So immersive hearing a woman sound like a man.

Oh, they can be that stupid...

I feel like live service is such a risky action to take. Like I understand they want a steady income and there are die hard fans of certain franchises you can bet on as a customer. But there are a ton of drawbacks to that, which us that die hard fans are going to be tough critics on all of it. Let alone that the team is constantly going to be working on it and working on storylines/seasons and making, etc. So you have constant man power and money going into this thing on the hope that you keep fans happy enough to invest back.

But to me suicide squad is a narrative experience with live service elements. They were being real . They were trying to steer the hype ship because people were sooooooo pissed to hear love service. I was disappointed. But it's a fun game to me. The combat flow for each character is great. I switch back n forth between everyone.

I just want them to continue making "Hogwarts Legacy single-player games", AND, developed at the same time I want an actual, huge, Harry Potter MMORPG which would (obviously) become "the" HP live-service game (surprise: live-service games have existed since the early 90s, the only ones where it's a bad idea are when it's tried on a solo story-driven game). They could literally make billions every year with a game like that, and still develop interesting single-player games at the same time. This game could last 15+ years and they could add new content, areas to explore, story content, expansions, etc, for years... The Harry Potter franchise is absolutely the biggest missed opportunity when it comes to MMORPGs, I have wanted that for years, and the most frustrating part is that on top of it having a huge potential in sales/number of players, it's literally the SIMPLEST universe to adapt into this game genre (PvP factions --> 4 Houses, PvP gameplay --> wand duels & Quidditch, transmog outfits --> magic, Guild Halls --> Room of Requirements, Seasonal Events --> existing lore, pets/mounts --> fantastic beasts, Raids/Dungeons --> Forbidden Forest & Azkaban etc, Expansions --> school years 1-7, etc etc etc...). I am 100% sure this could easily become one of the most played multiplayer games, and fans would spend billions $ just to get silly cosmetics, mounts, etc. It's such an obvious concept (if WB dares to take a long time letting a team develop it, of course).

Hogwarts Legacy was the perfect game for being live service. Its famous franchise, people would buy no matter what they could do each season one season in the game, like season 1 spring, season 2 summer, season 3 fall, season 4 winter and have specific and even longer story missions for each seasons... i think in this game would not be bad idea for a business point of view... but im glad they didnt and i hope they dont be that stupid for the next indeed

People will be expecting a better game IP won’t carry a second game

Oh 100% they struck lightning with Hogwarts Legacy and some higher up or lead is gonna think they can do whatever they want and it will sell. I have no hope with video games until I see reviews. If the second one sucks I’ll be okay replaying the first one.

Did they not just learn from SSKJL? 😅

I honestly feel that if Hogwarts Legacy did NOT use the Hogwarts IP it would not have been as well received and raved about, the caves were all the exact same layout and I found having loading screens very immersion breaking, especially considering a console as simple as Nintendo can do TOTK have link dive from a Sky Island to the Depths w/o a loading screen. Whereas Hogwarts can't even accomplish entry to a cave w/o a loading screen, I was greatly disappointed with amateur design limitations like that

the first game was decent but not great, i dont see myself replaying that game any time soon so if they do another year they are really gonna have to step it up

I pre ordered hogwarts legacy because it WASN'T a live service and only single player with no microtransactions and wanted to support them. If they do a live service with the sequel I'm not interested in even buying it 🤷‍♂️

HL would have been incredible as a co op live service game

We want life sevries games but we want them to be good and varied

EA tried that and it flopped. Zaslav was foolish to think he could succeed. They try it will Harry Potter they will fail.

I really enjoyed Hogwarts legacy 1, it was an unexpected gem when it released. Too bad these gems now just spark greed in the developers eyes, skull and bones is a good example as it was a complete let down and disappointment compared to black flag.