This is how I see the "problematic content discussion": If you are capable of acknowledging that something's problematic, understand why it's problematic, and know that you shouldn't replicate it in real life, than consume whatever media you like. However, if you refuse to acknowledge its problematic, defend or dismiss it, or act belligerent or ignorant when confronted about it, then you're just as problematic as the content you consume and you need to fix that.

I feel like the entirety of the internet goers everywhere (especially Twitter) should treat this video as required, mandatory viewing before they continue using it. It'd save us all so much time.

Acknowledging "hey this is not a good thing to glorify irl" while still enjoying the fictional story is, like, normal and mentally healthy. Celebrating the death of a monstrous character (like IDK Frieza) is not the same as actually killing someone irl. This should be elementary.

I think Tsukushi's perversions are outweighed by MiA's many other redeeming qualities. For example: Bondrewd and his whole arc was fantastic, he is in my top 10 villains easily. This whole controversy would be more understandable if the trigger was something like "Eromanga Sensei".

Aint even allowed to have an opinion in this society anymore...

My concern with the problematic media discourses is that it assumes that not consuming it is a moral good. You can't consume your way into being a good person, you actually have to be good.

Tl;dr - To proclaim something to be “problematic” and enforce it in a consistent and meaningful fashion, requires a metric that cannot exist. So basically, just let ppl enjoy what they enjoy. I think the main problem is that “problematic media” is too fluid of a concept to be applied or enforced in any real way. What is considered problematic to some will not be to others. A hundred years from now, things we find to be completely socially acceptable will be unthinkable. And then there are people who will attack said media even if it doesn’t endorse the given “problematic” topic. Just talking about it is reason enough for many to call for those who enjoy it to cease their support of the art it manifests in. Then there are those who feed off of negativity and will ride any bandwagon to cancel art they have no prior knowledge of, simply taking the words of others instead of doing their due diligence and confirming their claims. If there were some reasonable metric to calculate what is problematic and what isn’t, then maybe it would be okay to criticize those who enjoy that media. But such a metric will never exist, and therefore, we cannot dictate what people are allowed to enjoy. Of course, we can pick and choose what we support based on our own personal subjective metrics, but to push that onto others would be immoral. (I apologize for the paragraph 😂)

They also got flack for talking about Berserk which is even more dark and screwed up yet it’s one of the best stories ever made. You can’t take these idiots seriously.

Made in abyss is great! There are some weird stuff here and there but I had no trouble ignoring it. Some of the weird stuff should be removed from the story, because it's just not necessary and could be replaced by something else for the same effect

There's no such thing as problematic art. Everything is valid and should be allowed to talk about. There are only problematic people. Just like how violent video games don't cause school shootings, stories with pedophilia aren't going to make a person a pedophile. All it will do is give a person who is already a pedophile a story they can relate to. Art does have an impact on us, but in the end, we decide what we do.

Is disturbing to think that I began watching this anime when I was like 13 with my 9 year old brother. Thank god we stopped at ep2. But now that i think about it, its so weird that an anime like this was aviable in Netflix without any kind of advise that would warn that it contained some gross shit, it even had a goddamn videogame dear god.

Really enjoyed that you referred to all of those k-pop idols as "some guys" (I think that's what you said they were but they weren't really important to the thesis so I forgor). Anyway, good vid as always. I dig this style of presentation, keep it up!

Love how you referred to Made In Abyss as various things such as Made In Epstein's Island

Most "problematic content" comes as a general critique of the topics they portray or ate made for a diversity of viewable art. One can be critical about any media they consume, but the way it is handled by people can be even worse than the media itself. Often with things like animation, the only things hurt in the making of it are the fictional characters depicted and the animators wrists in the worse case scenario where they are overworked. The responses of threatening others, promoting various forms of violence, and celebrating tragedies goes way beyond the point of criticism.

isn't the show about a wacky adventure of a girl, robot and a cute little bunny dude going down a hole filled with unearthly monsters and gorgeous scenery, all accompanied by stunning visuals and simply put beautiful music???

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no because mia peak goat raw fire

short answer: no long answer: also no

You know times were tough when you had to live in an upvote-shaped house.

This style of content is great, keep it up!

Great video

Good video

BTW, TXT made the 12th opening of Black Clover

Made in abyss could easily have been told with characters who are older but i still think its a fantastic series worth watching. Its an amazing fantasy world

Damn missed this

Made in abyss terrifies me and i love that about it

I've only seen the first season of MiA, but from that much I'll say I've seen no goonery, and the claims I've seen against it are similar to Csm in many ways. I won't go much more into it however as I'm doubtful you'll watch it regardless and that fact has no impact on my life lol, keep up the good work

I have watched Made and Abyss and really enjoyed the worldbuilding, the characters (in season 2, anyway), and the amazing soundtrack. One thing I really disliked, though, was how to comedy was always very...strange. Characters like the main female protagonist would constantly be made fun of for "peeing herself" and she would very regularly being up the main male protagonists "penis". Two scenes that are unnecessary and overtly pedophelic involve, again, the main female character 1. Being strung up naked, and 2. nearly being gang raped in an alleyway. This is all made stranger when you remember these characters are 12 years old, and the art style makes them seem much younger. Things in the manga are much worse, where you can visibly see female characters' nipples at certain points. There's even one chapter where, in an added couple of pages, the mangaka acknowledges that the characters' being portrayed in sexual ways is strange. Instead of expressing any hint that this behavior is bad or wrong, he leans into the "joke" and proceeds to draw the characters in unnecessarily sexual positions. Unfortunately, pedophelia isn't uncommon in the industry. Nearly every series that exists sexualizes its female characters, and most characters in these series are under the legal age of consent. The only exception I can think of off the top of my head is Attack on Titan. Joey (The Anime Man) made a video covering this topic a few days ago. I didn't necessarily disagree with any of the things he said, but I do disagree with the main point he was making. This point was essentially, "all anime and manga sexualize their characters--many of which are minors--and Made in Abyss is no different." While this is technically a correct statement, and I know he didn't mean it as "everyone does it so it's okay," it still doesn't explain why people have such an issue with MIA specifically... The fact of the matter is that Made in Abyss *is* different than other series. The art style of MIA and the characters' mannerisms all tell you that these characters are children, then it portrays them in sexual ways. This is what separates Made in Abyss from most other series out there. While many anime portray their characters in sexual ways, and in sexual situations, MIA is one of the only ones that actively reminds you that the characters you're watching are children. This is why most people who have seen it say things like "I don't recommend watching it" or "I have mixed feelings..." Idk why i spent so much time on this, but please let me know if you have any thoughts. If you agree, great. If you disagree, please comment. I wanna hear any perspectives any of you may have.

How did I not know about K-pop slave contracts?

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I like you man, though I will state that I personally disagree with the directions modern progressives handle problems. I do agree with that problematic media brings great conversations with people who are genuinely media literate enough to understand Dogville, Warhammer 40k, etc. I am a free market enjoyer and hold the view that governments cause slavery and that corporations can only exist with government regulations.

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pretty good take tbh

2:55 I imagine that in a conversation these children would say this word for word, and exactly like this lmao

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Theres 2 things to this haveing the ability to separate fiction and reality and realizing what the story is going for ( not saying you cant critize media or acsedently promoteing dangerous ideas) my favorite anime and favorite part of that anime love is war chrismas arc you could make a legitimate argument for it apolgizing and making a excuse for relationship abuse wail i think thats a blind take to what its going for i can understand it all media will have something "problematic" to someone.

Made in abussy

his history is... suboptimal ;')

Wait until they find out about Pomf Pomf Pomf.

I have to say, Made in Abyss is one of the greatest masterpieces ever made into anime, and I hope that discussions like this don't dissuade people from at least giving it a try. The artwork, the sound track, the worldbuilding, the tragedy, and the story are all consistently top-tier and virtually unmatched by anything that's come out in recent memory, it's personally in my top 2 favorite anime series of all time. Sure, there are a couple moments that are a bit questionable in the ways they portray the children sexually, but people really exaggerate it, and it's pretty mild in the anime (as the anime removes/waters down a lot of these scenes from the manga). If anything, I find the body horror and gore to be something that would be much more off-putting to your average media-consumer; so if seeing animated children involved in gory situations is something you cannot tolerate, this is the one understandable reason I'd advise against giving the show a try. It is an extremely, extremely dark show, and it doesn't pull any punches involving the pain and suffering it inflicts on the mostly child cast. It's literally about a bunch of children descending into a subterranean world that is more hellish than any description of Hell I have ever read, unpleasant things are only to be expected.

Someone cooked here

I'm pretty much anime only, so when did that happen in rezero?

Not watching a show bc of what people told you has got to be your biggest L take so far

Oda made Sanji Kishimoto doesn't know how to write women Kubo's only trans character is a fucking psycho and is victm of a very transphobic gag Horikoshi has questionable views on racism Isayama let's face it, we all consume problematic media.

Dont compare MiA which is peak to that pedobait mushoku tenshit bro, or as kids say super L take, abysmal rizz tappei don't know you lil bro, sit down

Decent video, you made some good points. But... I think is your weakest video by far. I have some critiques I would like share. But I'll save it for another time. Also, I think you could make a part 2 of why the discussion happened in the first place. That's just my suggestion. Anyways, I'll look forward to your videos. Take care!

Saw the title and heard Mushoku Tensei fans seething

short answer: no long answer: also no