Is Joelinton Actually the BEST MIDFIELDER in the world? | The Tifo Football Show

Is Joelinton Actually the BEST MIDFIELDER in the world? | The Tifo Football Show | Episode 4

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Welcome to The Tifo Football Show - the show that answers your questions about football.
Host Joe Devine is joined by JJ Bull and Alex Stewart, Seb Stafford-Bloor, and The Athletic’s Mark Carey to answer such questions as “was Peter Crouch actually any good?”, “Do midfielders make better coaches?”, and “Is Joelinton the best midfielder in the world?”.
If you have a footballing question you want to be answered, tell us in the comments section.
0:00 Intro
0:45 Was Peter Crouch actually any good?
5:16 Do midfielders make better coaches?
7:55 Is Pote the next Bruno Fernandes?
10:46 Is Joelinton the best midfielder in the world?
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@bagfaceman1656 2 жыл бұрын

Question: I really enjoyed Alex's breakdown of manager success by position and found his manager XI interesting. Could we get a statistical breakdown of each manager he chose for his XI and why he chose them?

@chrisgarty 2 жыл бұрын

😂

@mzamogagaimzeeza9055 2 жыл бұрын

I would like to know where the coaches and their idols were born and how it influenced their coaching philosophies and I would like it to be represented in and audio visual scattergram in 30 seconds. Thank you Alex please get to it🙏🏽.

@dougkenworthy5079 2 жыл бұрын

Mate don't do this to him 😂😂

@Noobie2k7 2 жыл бұрын

I feel it'd make a good Podcast episode for the Foootball Cliche's team. They do a lot of XI's videos for various situations afterall. Usually include a lot of fun insight and history to their picks too.

@nurrr897 2 жыл бұрын

Since Tom Worville escaped the scattergram and joined RB Leipzig, their results and league position have improved significantly. How much of this is correlation, how much is causation and what measures should you take to ensure Mark Carey doesn't escape too?

@Stroganoff667 2 жыл бұрын

Or what club needs mark Carey the most?

@J_Tevo 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe there should be a graph to visually show us?

@oluwadamilareoke4064 2 жыл бұрын

@@Stroganoff667 United?

@MrSym00 2 жыл бұрын

They broke his Achilles to prevent him running away

@davidgosden5443 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciated the work Alex put into his answer even if Joe didn't

@lennbuu 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure that was the so called “British humor”

@RobGThai 2 жыл бұрын

I think it's just a skit.

@LeoGuidi 2 жыл бұрын

A ‘yes’ would suffice

@karimd88 2 жыл бұрын

@@LeoGuidi Look at JJ (Bull the Bullerd), he is efficient with his work. Alex should try that...

@wickedmonroe 2 жыл бұрын

as someone who's never actually heard the 'construction noises' , how can we be sure they arent an example of collective psychosis? might this explain the slowly changing style of the show?

@timmoleft7147 2 жыл бұрын

I think you've hit on something there.

@Panjax 2 жыл бұрын

It'd be funny if they played on that, have small moments of ever stranger and frightening ticks or something like they're going mad

@nipplehead 2 жыл бұрын

Carbon monoxide leak

@leo1fun 2 жыл бұрын

I think you might be on to something.

@thatguyoverthere312 2 жыл бұрын

Moment of silence in the next video, not to pay respects for anyone but just to test out if the mics can even pick up the construction noises

@williamevans8409 2 жыл бұрын

Joelinton's first game in CM was vs Norwich, after Clark got sent off early he was moved to CM and found he played exceptionally so kept him there

@josephknee4361 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Antonio Conte recently said that Eric Dier is "one of the best defenders in the league" and, in December 2021, said that he can become "one of the best defenders in the world." And Jose Mourinho famously admired Dier greatly. Almost no regular football fans would give Dier so much credit, so are we being unfair to him?

@Smitdogz 2 жыл бұрын

Having watched most spurs games I’d even argue that his mistakes leading to goals would have to be in the high 90 percentiles, he doesn’t make many at all

@heretustay 2 жыл бұрын

I'd also love to see this broken down, maybe it'll dispel some misconceptions we have about him?

@hadenwesley6548 2 жыл бұрын

@@Smitdogz ....dang that's a good point on mistakes vs mistakes leading to goals, as usually I watch Dier and think he is rubbish. I still think he is BUT you've got me thinking there. Frankly I feel Spurs need a new back line except Reguilón and perhaps Romero (haven't seen enough to know due to his injury). Dier has definitely improved though.

@thegreathadoken6808 2 жыл бұрын

No. It is the world class coaches who are wrong.

@patrickward8185 2 жыл бұрын

Question: We often hear about the dribbley bois (Zaha, Grealish etc) being the most fouled players as teams try to reduce their effectiveness but who is the LEAST fouled attacking outfield player? I'd love it to be a Pirlo-esq player just gliding around the pitch constantly finding space away from defenders.

@charliedymond6364 2 жыл бұрын

There could defo be some scatter gram of players with most take ons completed per 90 and least fouls won to try and illustrate that

@EmmetFurey 2 жыл бұрын

In the Premier League I reckon it's Salah

@-edvins.388 2 жыл бұрын

I think a defensive fullback is going to be fouled the least… maybe also a holding striker Now read attacking players so a holding striker is my guess think Giroud

@andrew7taylor 2 жыл бұрын

@@-edvins.388 What is a "holding striker"? What does he hold?

@-edvins.388 2 жыл бұрын

@@andrew7taylor target man sorry swedish getting in the way

@tomwantshelp 2 жыл бұрын

Question: how does Fikayo Tomori compare to England’s other centre back options?

@karimd88 2 жыл бұрын

Short answer: better Long answer: better

@mrjwins 2 жыл бұрын

Any chance JJ could do average wage/transfer spend breakdowns for the big 5 leagues, in the style of the Scottish Premiership breakdown?

@whereismyphonebook 2 жыл бұрын

I do really love Alex's investigative segments with the dry commentary and ultra zoomed-in screenshots

@patp4406 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Was Mousa Dembele the most important player in Pochettino’s Tottenham team?

@happinessismychemical667 2 жыл бұрын

Certainly one of the most underrated players and player they needed to replace the most

@edwardbrown7986 2 жыл бұрын

Answer: yes

@stephenpalmer9375 2 жыл бұрын

sorta kinda. He had attributes in terms of ball retention and progressive passing that were key to Poch's style. But he was also VERY injury prone, and did not score as many goals as he should. I would posit that Eriksen was probably more important and consistent

@kevinwhittaker5364 2 жыл бұрын

The real question is thus: is it Moussa that's loussa about the houssa?

@rossatron8352 2 жыл бұрын

Feel like Bentancur could be finally filling the void that Dembele left. Looks to be a great signing in any case.

@synthesizerpatel7405 2 жыл бұрын

Joelinton’s an absolute beast in midfield. £40m for him now looks like a bargain.

@alexfaruqi266 Жыл бұрын

Respect. I truly think Joelinton is becoming a modern goat of the game. The awareness and passing ability he shows from game to game is truly unmatched. I think 8 years from now he will be an 8 time winner of the Ballon dor and truly cement himself in the football hall of fame.

@Jasoncj099 2 жыл бұрын

It's incredible how he transformed himself in just a couple of months, huge congrats to Eddie, once again

@sjkillen6555 2 жыл бұрын

Love Joeli! Could you answer next week whether the resurgence of Xavi's Barcelona is something ominous on the horizon for European football? Can they challenge for major honours already?

@idkjustchangingmyname7343 2 жыл бұрын

Still seems a bit premature for that, but when you beat Real 4-0 idk…

@happinessismychemical667 2 жыл бұрын

Tbf this real Madrid team is being given a bit too much credit for beating PSG ; PSG dominated both legs for 85% of the tie just fell apart completely. Benzemas brilliance kinda glosses over alot of the teams deficiencies (despite being way better than last year). That said barca still dominated them one of the best barca displays I've seen in years. This is a youngish barca team with alot of potential but I still feel if they come up against a complete team like liverpool city or bayern they'd get ripped to shreds

@stephenpalmer9375 2 жыл бұрын

until they properly fix their financial situation? probably not. Don't be fooled by their dismantling of Real Madrid.. god only knows what was going on in Carlo's head last night with his bizarre team selection and formation.

@adrano_ 2 жыл бұрын

1:45 😅😅😅 Joe never fails to make me actually laugh out loud

@m123c456r789 2 жыл бұрын

The Tifo Football Show is undeniably my favourite thing on KZfaq right now.

@lukephillipsmedia 2 жыл бұрын

These are genuinely hilarious, and the editing makes it even funnier.

@foley123 2 жыл бұрын

That Treebeard impression was excellent 👌

@seriousbiscuits6828 2 жыл бұрын

Theres no way Van der Vaart scored 57 goals in 63 games between 10/13

@Oscar-dv5sg 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it says 24 on wikipedia which sounds more like it

@Ryan-ys2bq 2 жыл бұрын

He 32 in 41 League games across 2 seasons at Ajax though!

@lsr3794 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that too

@nifemi_o 2 жыл бұрын

I took it as stats for the partnership, as in Crouch and VDV combined.

@lsr3794 2 жыл бұрын

@@nifemi_o that makes sense

@thisaustin6817 2 жыл бұрын

I think those Van der Vaart numbers must be a little off, they just look too good! Aside from that, perfect vid as usual chaps x

@partyringsparty 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Historically, which type of club has been more successful overall: clubs that go through a lot of managers, or clubs that hold onto managers for a longer?

@abbeyabbey3122 2 жыл бұрын

He is good. His tackles and strong possession with the ball is good. He reminds me of Dembele of Tottenham those years

@DavidWoods255 2 жыл бұрын

The fake "pulling rank" about effective use of time around 7:20 had me dying. You bloody idiots! Love Tifo and the new show :)

@TheAthleticFC 2 жыл бұрын

Fake?

@DrWatson28 2 жыл бұрын

I thought this whole channel was parody?

@DavidWoods255 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAthleticFC if it was real it'd be off camera and all that. You've been answered!

@bearallan 2 жыл бұрын

Alex's detailed voiceovers are the best thing Tifo has ever done

@masterwesty 2 жыл бұрын

My friends who don’t watch Newcastle don’t believe me when I tell them how good Joelinton is now.

@dddgtsd Жыл бұрын

I bet they believe you now bro.

@Mold-E 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Is Joe any good at rocket league, can we have an analysis into the kind of player he is?

@m0nchh 2 жыл бұрын

genuinely one of my favourite, if not my favourite channel, and/or content on youtube! nothing but love

@hussainmohammed5599 2 жыл бұрын

These guys genuinely make me smile man.. thank you ❤️

@MattJames2615 2 жыл бұрын

People can’t forget that Joelinton becoming a deeper midfielder cam first against Norwich as Newcastle were down to 10 men after Clark was sent off and that meant joelinton had to play a mixture of a ball winning midfielder and also try and push up the wing to support ASM and Wilson upfront. Howe has done brilliantly to notice his true potential as a free flowing ball winning midfielder

@stevieschayness6572 2 жыл бұрын

I really love that you've kept the Tom Orville/Mark Carey song going. Still makes me laugh out loud every time. Kudos 🙌

@hb3393 2 жыл бұрын

Tifo football show is a real game changer

@joshuageraldbutler8037 2 жыл бұрын

Ooh was very excited to be the source of the first question for this episode!

@harrisonhemsley823 2 жыл бұрын

This show is going to blow up, never had a bigger smile on my face whilst watching something football related. Sending hugs and kisses from Sydney

@kayosman7369 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciated the spreadsheet

@BombOmbBuddy 2 жыл бұрын

Man I think that's the first time Seb's been on camera! Nice change of pace seeing him breakdown tactics at the board Alex and JJ are so quick and want to show the tactics, but I thought Seb was very deliberate and took the time to paint the image of what the little circles represented. Great work to the whole Tifo team, as always!

@mekingdum 11 ай бұрын

i love this show pls bring it back

@kierran5021 2 жыл бұрын

This is by far and away the best content, not just on KZfaq, but anywhere

@ferrousallotrope 2 жыл бұрын

Joe as an ent was the highlight of my week.

@joshnye7004 2 жыл бұрын

this is slowly turning into my favourite series on youtube

@chrisgarty 2 жыл бұрын

The intelligent content brings me in and the tone and sarcasm keep me coming back 😅

@CoreyKalb 2 жыл бұрын

This show is incredible

@tobyhellewell5981 2 жыл бұрын

This show is insane. I love it

@nyanjuigitau890 2 жыл бұрын

How generally "uninterested" in the answers Joe is makes this show so much better! 😂

@Youtuber-ku4nk 11 ай бұрын

Joelintons is such a powerhouse. So strong and energetic. His workrate and teams spirit is off the charts. Try to watch him closely when the PL starts.

@gluestix17 2 жыл бұрын

With the introduction of greatly increased positional flexibility of how modern teams play football (for example Liverpool's right hand side trio of TAA, Henderson and Salah), what do you feel is the possibility of the sport reaching the point where most, if not all, 10 outfield players are trained in such a way that they have the ability to rotate with almost anyone on the pitch?

@lordJUDE10 2 жыл бұрын

That's not a new concept. You are describing Total Football.

@gluestix17 2 жыл бұрын

ngl, I have absolutely no idea what total football is lol

@gvnnbrsr 2 жыл бұрын

@@gluestix17 something the netherlands did in the 70's where all players were able to play everywhere... sorta

@gluestix17 2 жыл бұрын

wow... it appears the concept has preceded me

@happinessismychemical667 2 жыл бұрын

Ye I was gonna reply saying they did it in the 70s but someone beat me to it. It's the biggest inspiration for Johan cruyffs playing philosophy and it's direct evolution can be said to be tiki taka. It was revolutionary at the time cuz it was the antithesis to the strongest tactic at the time the Italians catenaccio which relied on total positional obedience and was very defensive. I'm 70% certain it's acc a tifo video I remember this from lol

@kiweping5 2 жыл бұрын

About the Peter Crouch Van Der Vaart partnership. Out of Van Der Vaart’s 13 non penalty goals the only season they played together, the first 4 were all played down by Crouch for Van Der Vaart to finish off, however in total they only got 6 together (which is still very impressive)

@nert-13 2 жыл бұрын

Joe has just run absolutely rampant with the silliness

@bl8976 2 жыл бұрын

This is the best channel EVER

@hsenaginaroops 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed the moose loose in the hoose story in the credits 😂

@triplethraet 2 жыл бұрын

i love that joe mimes his own name in the beginning haha

@benkidd4954 2 жыл бұрын

These somehow get weirder every week and I’m absolutely here for it

@nicholasq203 2 жыл бұрын

Would you guys be able to analyze any Libertadores fixtures/teams at some point during the season? I think I'm not alone in saying I'd love to see a bit more South American football on the channel! Cheers from Brazil!

@l0dgey 2 жыл бұрын

Can’t decide if i love or hate this new awkward comedy route you’ve gone down😂

@timmoleft7147 2 жыл бұрын

You need to make your mind up, we're living in the end-times - time is running out.

@englishjona6458 Жыл бұрын

Those Joelinton stats 1 year on ait changed much and he is infact on course to becoming one of the best midfielders in the world

@duncancady390 2 жыл бұрын

What has changed with Kai Havertz? He has looked like a completely different forward as of recent, scoring significantly more. Is he just in form, more confident, or does something else back this up?

@kylepuleo6743 2 жыл бұрын

Havertz put on a bit of muscle during the summer. there’s nothing in his play style that has changed tho. But he is a lot more tenacious than last season. I think the Lukaku signing put a chip on his shoulder

@mylittlethoughttree 2 жыл бұрын

Question: How often do good assistant managers actually work as good managers?

@Bagster321 2 жыл бұрын

Tactical analysis of the Leeds team from the late 90s/early 00s with Viduka, Kewell, Fowler, Keane, Ferdinand, Danny Mills, etc?

@bchou15 2 жыл бұрын

Would be interested in research around the importance of ambidexterity and its quantification. I feel like being equally good with both feet can open up a player's game exponentially, given shooting/passing/dribbling options that become available with more angles at a player's disposal and therefore the added number of dimensions that opponents need to consider.

@MrWarbley 2 жыл бұрын

This is easily the best thing on the internet

@MrTaucher007 2 жыл бұрын

I love that the Plattord Ploor thing was even consistent in the credits 😂

@BOABModels 2 жыл бұрын

Big fan of Peter Crouch and liked him in both spells at Pompey - shame he wasn't there for longer during our time in the Premier League.

@yashmishra4292 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Can we have a breakdown of all teams in the current PL top 6 and find out the points per pound of each team in terms of money Spent on Transfer and wages.

@ZavN11 2 жыл бұрын

I love how personality has been injected into this channel

@ebukahjoseph8016 2 жыл бұрын

“How long would you say that took you” That is genuinely one of the funniest bits I’ve seen!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Anthonygamer10 2 жыл бұрын

This could possibly be the best football show on the interwebs

@fraac 2 жыл бұрын

you've gotta mention alan smith (the leeds one) when talking about centre forwards turned ball winning midfielders

@B193Alex 2 жыл бұрын

How would a front 3 of Stewart-Devine-Bull work in the PL, Ligue 1, Bundesliga, La Liga, and/or Serie A?

@stewartadamson9479 2 жыл бұрын

Hi lads. Your stats for Joelinton are not separated according to his position on the pitch. So his "touches in the penalty area" etc. are bound to greatly exceed the average DM if half the stats are for games where he was playing up front. You should pony up for a Statsbomb or OPTA subscription and get the position-specific numbers! In case anyone is wondering, I am an NUFC and Joelinton (as a midfielder) fan.

@ralphanator4 2 жыл бұрын

I love the Mark Kerry songs

@harrynoke6458 2 жыл бұрын

I've got an unusual question- as a Palace fan I was told we had "an easy run to the semi final" and it made me wonder - and I'll put this in caps for effect DO FA CUP WINNERS TEND TO HAVE "EASY" RUNS TO THE FINAL?

@yansaovung532 2 жыл бұрын

That thing about the moose with a gun got me all sweaty and panicky kudos for hiding the children well.

@kieronparr3403 2 жыл бұрын

Sebs excited face is amazing

@CaptainBirdee 2 жыл бұрын

Could you do a comparison of how teams compare currently to a decade ago for the top 2 teams in the top 5 leagues? Tactics.. formation.. trophies ..

@olliehussey64 2 жыл бұрын

Question: How good is Rice at the minute and what could his ceiling be? He's an English player so obviously gets a lot of hype but personally I feel it's justified. Discussion please!

@lilzak96 2 жыл бұрын

question: how amazing was Cesc Fabregas, i honestly think at arsenal he was our best player for a good few years

@AycliffeGardens 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful

@StobzillaYT 2 жыл бұрын

The Eric Andre vibes coming off of this show are amazing. I never thought those two important worlds would meet (Football, Eric Andre) but I am so glad that they have. Also, Dog as pig.

@RichMitch 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, thanks for asking

@hritikbhatnagar6421 2 жыл бұрын

question: what would football look like if instead of points, teams won based on goal difference in the table? would it change the formations used to prioritise scoring more goals or would the focus be on defence?

@Xylo360 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see who you think are the best run club in the world. We see many teams praised for their points accumulated relative to the net spend of the playing squad or for profiting from having very consistent youth academy players coming through etc. Who do you guys think are the best run considering all the possible parameters you can?

@nert-13 2 жыл бұрын

Question: how should teams play when up/down a man to use/hide the advantage

@enkala 2 жыл бұрын

6:58 these search results are wild 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Lob00700 2 жыл бұрын

Barcelona’s young midfielders are really something. Please make a video on Xavi’s new and young Barcelona team.

@Shreder83 Жыл бұрын

this definitely needs revisiting one year on, cant think of many better than J7

@fraserhutch2571 2 жыл бұрын

Please can you answer/dissect this: To make the FA cup incredible again: change the Champions League Qualification from the Premier League to 3 places rather than 4. And give the Winner of the FA cup the 4th Champions League spot. In the event that the winner of the FA cup finishes in the top 3 in the prem, then the 4th placed team in the Premier League would get the Champions League Qualification place. Thanks!!

@stephenpalmer9375 2 жыл бұрын

or just make Conference League qualification a reward for winning the Cup. This would incentivize smaller, and dare I say it, Championship clubs take it way more seriously. But maybe I just miss the Cup Winners Cup

@jeffmalone9398 2 жыл бұрын

Question: what is a sensible transfer and a spared no expense transfer for both arsenals midfield to play alongside Partey and a new striker?

@BenjaminSorvel 2 жыл бұрын

We hear a lot these days that the classic "Target Man" will come back into fashion. But how likely is it really? Will we see a team win the Premier League with this style soon?

@pastrytarget 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Do you play it up for the camera or do you all genuinely despise each other?

@papatunde6205 2 жыл бұрын

That game agonist city, Joelinton basically played as a box to box midfielder

@alias5028 2 жыл бұрын

What makes Joao Felix good and which team would he fit in well

@elliotsamphier7203 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Arsenals young squad seem to be really growing in quality as a team and as individuals. Will they be able to keep hold of all their talent as they mature or can a future exodus be expected?

@andyhills9972 2 жыл бұрын

I thought Joelinton’s first appearance in midfield was against Norwich when Newcastle went down to 10 men early on? Hence it makes me wonder how deliberate or accidental his move to midfield was? Even so - great to see some decent analysis of him.

@fokasspontis6488 2 жыл бұрын

Question: should Xavi’s Barcelona long balls and crosses perceived as weaknesses or strengths compared to Pep’s?

@christopherflux6254 2 жыл бұрын

Midfielders usually have a good personal understanding of both attacking and defending; so maybe that leads to them tending to be better managers. Midfielders also usually need to be more tactically aware than a centre back or striker, although all players need some tactical awareness.

@weez89 2 жыл бұрын

Question: What is the difference between clubs that leads to excellent or mediocre scouting. EG - Liverpool bringing in Luis Diaz compared to Chelsea bringing in Lukaku. Is it stats vs old school vs team composition or coach influence?

@TheAthleticFC 2 жыл бұрын

No, Van der Vaart did not score 57 goals in 63 games between 10/13. No. We don't know what happened there. No.

@Apfelstrudl 2 жыл бұрын

The most known goalkeeper that got coach is Cherchesov i think (former Russian national team coach)

@yungtrashlord 2 жыл бұрын

nuno espirito santo (former wolves and tottenham coach) was a goalkeeper too

@mortezz1268 2 жыл бұрын

This is the best football show since Ryan Bergwijn's "Top of the football" from 1992

@williamgiltrow6287 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Following the recent Euros qualification, beating Germany in the process and now knocking Italy out of the WCQs last night, how have North Macedonia become such a (relatively) successful/ difficult to play against side?