Would Bayern still win with an awful footballer upfront? | The Tifo Football Show

Would Bayern still win with an awful footballer upfront? | The Tifo Football Show | Episode 2

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Welcome to The Tifo Football Show - the show that answers your questions about football.
Host Joe Devine is joined by JJ Bull and Alex Stewart, to answer such questions as “why has Dele Alli seen such struggles?”, “Why do teams create so many chances from the half-spaces?”, and “if Joe Devine played for Bayern Munich would they still win the league?”.
If you have a footballing question you want to be answered, tell us in the comments section.
0:00 Intro
0:29 Why has Dele Alli seen such struggles?
6:24 If Joe Devine played for Bayern Munich would they win the league?
10:48 Why do teams create so many chances from the half spaces?
15:15 Will a team except Rangers and Celtic will ever win the league?
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@benkidd4954 2 жыл бұрын

That Alex Stewart narration of Joe playing for Bayern is one of the greatest Tifo moments ever

@chifumujmanda7643 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@KaiXx751 2 жыл бұрын

The only way that could have been improved was if Alex did it in a James Mason voice.

@treyb7937 2 жыл бұрын

Best thing I've seen this year 🤣🤣🤣

@RyanMRKO721 2 жыл бұрын

It's 4am and I'm in fits at watching that bloody animation of Joe leading the "ferocious press"

@seanmoynihan5875 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely spot on

@patrickquinn7497 2 жыл бұрын

I want more of "The Football Adventures of Joe Devine" narrated by Alex! Make it happen Tifo!

@kaboodlefish 2 жыл бұрын

Yes! I want to know who Bayern offload him to and what happens then.

@06-shreetdave21 2 жыл бұрын

Alex and JJ: "technical jargon and reasonable answers" meanwhile Joe's mind: "The wheels on the bus go round and round; round and round; round and round"

@kohchungwei 2 жыл бұрын

"The acceleration of a glacier and the turning circle of a milk float on fire" Mark GoldBridge gonna get all over this 😂

@kohchungwei 2 жыл бұрын

7:30 - can't really blame Joe for that loss, we all know Borussia Monchengladbach are Bayern's kryptonite

@BigMadAndy 2 жыл бұрын

Genuine question; if Joe Devine played for City as a true striker and Pep built the team around him, how many goals would he score in a premier league season?

@benaylott2013 2 жыл бұрын

Too many…

@FarukAhmed-dk6ml 2 жыл бұрын

@kevinmccabe7263 2 жыл бұрын

Zero

@benkolya 2 жыл бұрын

I would bet £1000 that he'd score 0

@BigMadAndy 2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmccabe7263 put some respect on Joe’s Devine footballing ability

@whereismyphonebook 2 жыл бұрын

alex football manager segment = 10/10, more please

@crocnado8092 2 жыл бұрын

Assuming he coaches again, which team would best benefit from Marcelo Bielsa's style of play and which there are bees in my eyes team would actually be most likely to take him on as manager?

@nonypomina7165 2 жыл бұрын

man united.

@klaidas7409 2 жыл бұрын

Back at Leeds next season once we survive :)

@Iron-Bridge 2 жыл бұрын

I like this question 👍

@diego-dias 2 жыл бұрын

it seems silly but using the FIFA ratings is actually a pretty smart way to see how well-regarded/popular a player is at any given point in time.

@userjim83 2 жыл бұрын

When Alli was at his best spurs also had Eriksen and Dembele basically controlling the game and Dier/Wanyama being the base which allowed him freedom and to play forward all the time with little responsibility other than to link in the final 3rd with Kane and Son. Totally different when it’s Kane,Son, a winger like Lucas, a much weaker midfield at controlling the game and then Dele…

@ngoclongle7004 2 жыл бұрын

But would you go the toilet if there is 1% that a bear will be there? Get to the point Jimmy!

@superbiggles8348 2 жыл бұрын

Question I've wondered about; Does having a tall striker always equate to better aerial threat/goals? How much does height really matter when taking about headed opportunities? Asking as a Blackburn fan, when commentators always bang on about when we play Sam Gallagher through the middle and his height and aerial presence become a factor, but for the life of me I can't remember him ever scoring a header. Ever.

@WaterCarrier07 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely not :) look at Radamal Falcao

@harryeast95 2 жыл бұрын

I think a taller player who is good at heading the ball is better than a shorter player that's good at heading the ball, but heading is nevertheless a teachable skill.

@mohammadsaqib713 2 жыл бұрын

Jumping reach us important in truth, the higher jump the more chances of scoring also depending on timing of the header. Watch Harry kane header vs city. Some players get beaten in the air despite being tall because of lack of physicality, technicalities and jumping reach.

@jakkaxn5513 2 жыл бұрын

Most of the best headers r not that tall. Lewandowski and ramos r true examples.

@iaiain 2 жыл бұрын

@@jakkaxn5513 and Tim Cahill famously would train volleyball jumping techniques (I think). He was excellent and relatively short. I guess it also comes down to reading the game too. That instinct might only be trainable to an extent.

@partyringsparty 2 жыл бұрын

Question - Is there any justification for 'goalkeepers shouldn't be beaten at their near post'? It happens so so frequently and pundits/commentators/fans always give really harsh criticism of the goalkeeper because they think it's really easy to save at your near post.

@MrElTee13 2 жыл бұрын

@@jakehyams8659 link?

@codml 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Since Liverpool hired their throw-in coach, Thomas Gronnemark, have other teams done the same and have the stats or outcomes from throws-ins changed?

@eddy7236 2 жыл бұрын

Joe Devine - Grape Tea. Absolutely cracking song from a young Joe

@GarthMarenghiMD 2 жыл бұрын

That song popped up in my suggested last week, and my god is it a belter!

@TheHalcyonShow 2 жыл бұрын

Wicked isn't it?

@TheIgle 2 жыл бұрын

Just showed up for me too. Thanks Google algorithm!

@skiptracerbob 2 жыл бұрын

Joe having a root around in his undies whilst JJ explains Dele's drop off in form is the perfect distillation of Tifo IRL.

@randisallah 2 жыл бұрын

Considering Wan-Bisaka, his attributes and the fact he struggles to make an impact from right back. Wouldn't his talents be of far better use as a destroyer type DM or even a center back?

@lucioledizerot196 2 жыл бұрын

I think he doesn't have good enough positional awareness to play in a role where he has to monitor more space

@MrPorto4ever 2 жыл бұрын

I would rather see him more as a third "center back", a bit like walker does for manchester city, meaning, he stays back when manchester atacks and tucks in a little while the with is given by the player in front of him on that wing and with pogba and matic ahead of the now 3 man back line. Gives more security against counter atacks, alows matic to play so they can actually move the ball up the field, unlike when fred and mctomany play and pogba is more free to roam. This being said, i don't think I am smarter than any of the manchester united coachs and if they don't try this maybe is because there is something that bisaka lacks to do this role.

@AeolianMusica 2 жыл бұрын

We do a lot of analysis about how specific players (particularly attackers) create chances. Please would you focus on an individual defender and look at some of their pattens which lead them to be particularly successful defensively?

@fisheatsyourhead 2 жыл бұрын

I think its probably quite difficult to quantify decision making and positioning

@AeolianMusica 2 жыл бұрын

@@fisheatsyourhead for sure. Reckon these guys are up to the challenge though!

@fisheatsyourhead 2 жыл бұрын

@@AeolianMusica maybe? not that I don't have faith in tifo but it's far from easy to not only find the right data but also process it so it's meaningful for the skills that are important defensively, like decision making and composure. etc. i bet there is potential for an xG-like stat for defensive skill though, we mostly just have things like interceptions and tackle numbers which are like the defensive equivalent of passes assists and goals, not very granular data that is susceptible to large variation and doesn't tell a full story. Ive studied a bit on data science for my degree and I bet there are people out there who can, but the fact that its a niche would mean they'd be better off at football clubs and stats companies than KZfaq... love the tifo lads but they're not exactly statisticians, they're great entertainers and explainers.

@mukukachanda4122 2 жыл бұрын

Question- One of the most frustrating areas of the pitch for ManUtd is there midfield. Assuming you guys were the sporting directors ahead of next season, whilst still keeping in mind player’s like James Garner’s progression and people like Pogba with winding contracts How would you reconstruct that midfield to ensure it has as much balance as possible?

@cfcmoi11 2 жыл бұрын

The level of detail gone into this video is amazing

@madmangogaming 2 жыл бұрын

all while being highly entertaining with that dry tifo style

@samlast4776 2 жыл бұрын

Worth mentioning Dele was held at knife point in his home, which has almost certainly had an effect. Hope he does well, love him

@johnsmoe7591 2 жыл бұрын

Solid work lads love this show, awesome supplement to the in depth videos on Tifo Football as I was never much for podcasts and this scratches that itch between short form and long form

@bluecheese20401 2 жыл бұрын

This was the best video in ages. Great start to an otherwise overcast Monday!

@mathieuehret3188 2 жыл бұрын

great content, thanks guys. The bit with Joe playing for Bayern is amazing.

@Falurinn 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, informative and hilarious. Brilliant stuff guys.

@foorumi 9 ай бұрын

Petition to bring this show back

@jbri1 2 жыл бұрын

That football manager bit had me in stitches

@brahmani12 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Football tactics are constantly evolving. If the dominant paradigm in today's game is the 4-3-3 formation with pressing/gegenpressing, what do you predict will replace it?

@effrumtheretardo 2 жыл бұрын

I believe someone did a similar experiment in FM with PSG. First they used *Phil Jones* at striker and still won everything. He needed to use *Kepa* at striker to not win CL but still won Ligue 1. True farmers' league.

@najmuddinnazaharuddin9911 2 жыл бұрын

@@MagicMikey1 and tuchel. He was part of the reason why poch didn't win ligue 1

@ryanchristophergavan80 2 жыл бұрын

Phil Jones is a good player. Have you not watched the Tifo video?

@bagfaceman1656 2 жыл бұрын

Someone did it with Craig Dawson too

@peterdsouza6474 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Aside from the financial benefits that he provides, how else does Abramovich contribute to strengthening Chelsea? If he sells the club, do you foresee Chelsea slowly becoming a mid tier club again? Also... Very enjoyable episode.

@polikobypo12 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely incredible video

@carsena1318 2 жыл бұрын

i like this tifo show, funni editing, good stuff

@simon7212 2 жыл бұрын

Love the show!

@QazwerDave 2 жыл бұрын

Love the Tifo songs !!

@codml 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Since the goal kick rule was changed to allow passes inside the penalty area, are teams playing out from the back more?

@mynameisfatmike6742 2 жыл бұрын

Another great episode, the little comedic edits just slay me lol

@alexstephens4767 2 жыл бұрын

Question- Teams like Man Utd and Everton get criticised for their transfer policy, but what Is the logic you think they're following because they make decisions that they think are right

@eatmoremusic3650 2 жыл бұрын

Joe is the perfect guy to sell Tifo while everyone else provides incredible football commentary. Change nothing. Danke

@chlcrk 2 жыл бұрын

When Dele Alli broke through at MK Dons he did play in that deep lying playmaker role with a DM alongside. Think at Spurs they were able to get him to perfect the attacking version of himself in development and he's finding it hard to get back into it after years of not having to focus on that stuff

@jenbaminw 7 ай бұрын

Remember when Tifo used to be fun

@maddrummer87 2 жыл бұрын

This is a wonderful show.

@oreoluwaokuwobi 2 жыл бұрын

Lmao,loved Alex's narration of the Joe Devine/ Bayern simulation, hilarious

@MohamedAli965 2 жыл бұрын

great video Tifo

@RL- 10 ай бұрын

This is still one of the funniest things I've ever seen/heard on KZfaq. Alex's commentary was glorious 😭

@TheWPGHD 2 жыл бұрын

The set reminds me of shooting stars with vic and bob.

@willdurant141 2 жыл бұрын

was thinking this too

@dopaay 2 жыл бұрын

Question: what happened to Reece Oxford (West Ham) and where is his potential at today?

@danpreston564 2 жыл бұрын

He’s in Germany at Augsburg. After years on loan in Germany.

@Marinucas 2 жыл бұрын

Shout to the editor that managed to sneak in this beautiful shot of Joe at 1:39

@sleepyheadbeats4352 2 жыл бұрын

“….the acceleration of a glacier.” Hahah

@mattapalmer7 2 жыл бұрын

"Here (Joe) is, leading a Ferocious press...." killed me LOL

@realrobotsrealise 2 жыл бұрын

Returning to Dele Alli, if his most successful season was due to his goal threat, why cant he just be deployed as a striker? I understand that DLC and Richarlison would currently assume those roles, but in the event that one gets transferred, wouldn't Alli's best position be as a no.9?

@edwardhatt-lipscomb8411 2 жыл бұрын

AS savage AF, love it!

@joshuaburkinshaw9940 2 жыл бұрын

The troublesome thing about the old firm dominance is that the other teams in the Scottish Premier league are all fairly equally matched. All it would take was a team that was comfortably better than the rest. If Aberdeen for example could comfortably beat the other teams, then defend well enough for draws with Celtic and Rangers, then the old firm teams would need to beat each other and perform consistently every other matchday.

@GeeLovesEmo 2 жыл бұрын

Is there a paucity of proper number 9s out there? If so, why? Acknowledging the role has changed, it seems to be players have to be borderline world class in order to play there (Vlahovic, Benzema, Kane, peak Lukaku). Alternatively, and more commonly now, the spread of goals tends to come from elsewhere in the team due to different tactical systems.

@nope2dat 2 жыл бұрын

Dele briefly did well under Nuno as a bulldog b2b pressing midfielder. However, in doing so while his pressing, and defensive and running stats improved it came at the expense of all the magic to his game (specifically his goal threat or assist threat) which makes him worth having. He is truly a player who can only work when given complete freedom to do a few special things and nothing else

@johnchang9417 2 жыл бұрын

Nice Shenhua jersey Alex! Cheers from Shanghai!

@noblemasterchief2287 2 жыл бұрын

I love your sense of humour😂

@armancherif9301 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Is Gegenpressing the anti-thesis to Guardiola style possession and what will be the next dominant style of play in football after the high intensity pressing game promoted by Klopp and Ragnick?

@clubindigo 2 жыл бұрын

Why do countries like Argentina, Spain and Germany produce so many top-class managers, and why doesn't the UK?

@vaageesh6054 2 жыл бұрын

Have we reached the upper limit of how attacking various roles/positions can become or are there ways for Centre Backs & Goalkeepers to become far more involved in attack? If so, what would that look like and what would teams have to do to compensate.

@ChutneyCity 2 жыл бұрын

ok serious comment. Alex's breakdown and commentary on Joe as footballer was a straight up violation

@crazyman2820 2 жыл бұрын

Question: is Havertz important for Chelsea, and if he is, how?

@iamwahman 2 жыл бұрын

Just from watching him( Chelsea fan here), I would say he offers a much higher level of mobility and fluidity in our attack. This Chelsea team under Tuchel is very much a modern team influenced by the fluidity of Guardiola teams. I think that the reason why the English media may discredit Havertz is that alot of them are still old school in how they see football. They still think that a big physical striker to wip balls to is a way to play and them being the main goal source is the thing. Now yes, we needed an goal scorer but maybe instead of looking for a more straight forward striker( I mean, we have a striker curse at that club), I would say that we should've looked for goal scoring forward. A player mobile like the ones we have but much better in front of goal. In Havertz case, he offers us creativity upfront in being able to find space to link up and a good sense of space as well for finishing( look at his goal against Burnley this weekend).

@Mihaylovpst 2 жыл бұрын

Alex with Shanghai Shenhua jersey! Nice.

@akashagrawal4514 2 жыл бұрын

Video suggestion: history/evolution of the manager/head coach role in football. Could either be a part of the tifo show or its own animated video

@SuperGoldenGhost 2 жыл бұрын

Question: How common (in terms of %) are shots that hit the crossbar and posts, and are there any players (currently or in history) that are outliers in terms of shots that hit the post/bar?

@faisalal-rayes1047 2 жыл бұрын

Since forward, midfielder & back are vertical locations attached to each position, and right, left, middle & full are attached to position based on horizontal locations, why aren’t right & left midfielders/wingers called full midfielders much like full backs?

@andorrasrevenge1683 2 жыл бұрын

1:36 Joe😂😂

@RUSHLAD98 2 жыл бұрын

JJ with the Star Trek unifrom

@mzamogagaimzeeza9055 2 жыл бұрын

11:21 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 what the actual heck was that.

@jr_xtreme8940 2 жыл бұрын

Can you make a vid on how transfer values are determined. I'm aware of the basic concepts but would love an expert analysis about this

@An-pj8is 2 жыл бұрын

Genuine question: does Joe Devine actually gets bored while JJ and/or Alex are explaining something, or he is just "pretending"? PS: JOE I LOVE YOU!

@bobbypersons9288 2 жыл бұрын

Continuing the positions vs roles argument, is there any role from the past you think will re-emerge, or current popular role that will disappear in 10 years? Some revival of an offsides-conscious sweeper/stopper formation? Return of the Pirlo regista or physical target man? The 10 attacking mid disappears?

@LightGreenCorona 2 жыл бұрын

I have a question I'd like to see a data video on: Do teams improve with time by sticking to a manager? If there's a positive corelation between points/game and time spent as manager, there is still the question wether it was caused by the decision of the club to keep the manager or did the coach stay due the positive results. I think this is a relevant question for any football club, since there will be a time when a manager leaves.

@dgouilard 2 жыл бұрын

Alex's Shenhua kit is a beauty! Also, did the last question been answered in the last episode already?

@endatreanor5263 2 жыл бұрын

1:38 Joe being Joe

@sammy0boi 2 жыл бұрын

That football manager section was incredible

@tomasvil 2 жыл бұрын

8:08 theres a fitness coach with the same name as me!

@parthpiyushprasad709 2 жыл бұрын

Question: For how long would the Pochettino experiment go on at PSG, if they do not win the Champions League this season? Is it possible for a team like Manchester United to be able to lure him into leaving the star-studded PSG side?

@denizifran3676 2 жыл бұрын

I would go for putting Joe as a GK and play a very possession heavy football with a high-line to decrease the amount of shots to the goal for the opposition. Make every opposition shot a one on one situation and allow 40 additional goals per season rather than dropping 60 goals. Or put him as an anchor man. Only make him the easiest passes and use his volume as an aerial defence.

@Nkunkuchanel 2 жыл бұрын

Was it just me that couldn't help but smile at the Football Manager section

@addy5572 2 жыл бұрын

I’d like to know how Joe divines performance would be effected by the level of the squad around him. How would a joe divine perform at barrow for a season vs a joe divine playing for Man City

@jonathanip7882 Жыл бұрын

Lol that shanghai shenhua kit😅

@arthurallen104 2 жыл бұрын

At Euro 2020 (+1), there were more own goals scored than there were in all previous Euros that we have that kind of data for combined. Why?

@MKS.Acoustic 2 жыл бұрын

Not a question, but this format rules!

@DC-hy2rg 2 жыл бұрын

"Raised his technique...to 1" Brutal.

@9000splat 2 жыл бұрын

A question… Do teams concede more goals from playing a goal kick short and it all going wrong vs long kicks

@lukehferris 2 жыл бұрын

That Athletic ad song is fire.

@Daniel3NT 2 жыл бұрын

Here a question: VVD does not look quite the same after Little Picky smashed his knee and stole our back-to-back PL title. Can you please quantify the drop-off (speed, movement and passing range, areal dominance, etc.)?

@edwardharrison1471 2 жыл бұрын

Considering the success of city, who have a relatively small but high quality squad, and the relative dysfunction of Chelsea, who have an extremely large one (especially when including loanees) would it be fair to say that depth in itself is not the key to success?

@joseeduardomarnermartinez5662 2 жыл бұрын

I would go on my toilet.. but every time I'd knock and ask "hello is there somebody in bear?"

@ArloQuilt 2 жыл бұрын

Can you explain the different types of drop balls please thanks

@dmcc5110 2 жыл бұрын

Question: why do so few English teams have green strips? There are 3 teams in the prem with a specific combo of maroon and blue that looks the same, but no teams with green as their main colour. (Norwich isnt primarily green imo)

@romanschuster1709 2 жыл бұрын

Simplest answer would be that the pitch is green. IDK if there is anything more to it than that.

@erkucman975 2 жыл бұрын

I would play Devine in either flank as a Raumdeuter (since he is apparently very good at interpreting space but not so great in using it) depending on Sane and Gnabry's form, then play the entirety of the game exclusively on the other flank using him as a giant decoy. That way he won't start counter attacks for the opposition and the possession waste will be minimal. He might even draw a defender to create space for others. I would also task him with marking the keeper on any kind of set piece, just because. I think using him as a penalty specialist Target man is a waste of his unique talents (or lack thereof)

@BombOmbBuddy 2 жыл бұрын

Someone posted it on the Old Firm preview clip, but I'm reposting it here cause it's a great question: Martin Harte asks: JJ, please, please do a video on how the SPFL could be fixed. Even as a Celtic fan I don't like this situation. I'd love to see Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts as genuine challengers. What could we realistically do about this?

@ahmedsoli8575 2 жыл бұрын

Question! Why do many teams (including Liverpool) tend to kick a long ball to the opposition half right after kickoff and try to get the second ball? Although they have the quality to play from the back?

@JeroenGMuziek 2 жыл бұрын

In the Netherlands we still hold Donny vd Beek in high regard and he is still considered (by some) best as a 10 in a shadow striker role, which also what got him to the higher stage at Ajax, making Alli's move with Donny coming over as well extra weird to me. Donny can play in deeper roles of course too and is a better presser so I don't really get why Everton got Alli, even on a loan.

@drizzal83 2 жыл бұрын

Bring back "Why should I care about..."!!!!!!!!

@whittar 2 жыл бұрын

I mean they literally have one at striker for a few seasons now and they're doing fine so yes?

@WillMiall 2 жыл бұрын

If you were each England manager for a game, who would be in your squad and which players would you call up that haven't been already/are on the periphery?

@harryeast95 2 жыл бұрын

The Joe Devine question was fun. You should calculate is IRL penalty conversion rate next. I see a lot of people talking about how Arsenal's games in hand are against good teams. To me this seems entirely irrelevant, surely what matters is the overall schedule strength of any team left to play regardless of whether those are ordinarily scheduled or rearranged games, not specifically /who/ they're playing in post-poned and/or rearranged games?

@owrightmusic 2 жыл бұрын

what are your thoughts on mark hughes taking over as coach of bradford city, and do you think we will see any more well known managers head down to the lower leagues?