It's really simple, if the glowy lights in the abandoned machine filled complexes are green, it's Necrons, if they're blue it's Men of Iron...

"You are weak, Asirnoth." -Ferrus Manus, probably

Honestly, with Medusa’s proximity to the Eye of Terror, I could totally believe it being a Necron outpost in a similar vein to Cadia, with the Necron presence there in place to help contain the Eye.

Alternative theory: Medusa was a Tomb World. Until the Iron Hands found out. Now it is an ex-Tomb World.

It looks like that the inquisition doesn't allow a good sleep schedule to our dear inquisitor

Theory. The necrons did indeed have a tomb complex on the world of Medusa however it was destroyed during the dark age of technology when humanity was at its peak. However in order to eradicate this threat, the core of the planet was super charged to become techtonically unstable and thus destroy the underground complexes while mostly sparing the surface. This would explain how the natives knew of the long destroyed machines but also explain how some necron presence was still on the planet.

We may not like to admit it, but we Iron Hands are in need of some lore love.

I ask the same thing about Chogoris, but I'm one of those weird people who remembers the White Scars exist and are awesome. Seriously, more White Scars love when, GeeDubs?

The infinite and the divine mentions that the necrons would drop “mechanical conqueror worms” onto planets they wanted to destroy but had leave before they could do that properly.

Would make a disturbing amount of sense actually

I would love to see a campaign based on Iron Hands and their successors vs Necrons to bring little bit of love to one of the more ignored founding chapters

Could you imagine if during the fight that caused ferus to have his hands become what they are the necrons were able to get his dna which in turn gets acquired by trayzn?

Even the Iron Hands can't be *that* unlucky...

YES! New Iron Hands content to start the week..! Thank you 40kTheories!

Men of Iron... Nervous mechanicus noises intensify

Remember sons of Medusa, the flesh is weak but the deeds remain!

The problem with abandoned Necron stuff - if its got an intact portal, 'abandoned' is just a matter of opinion.

99%+ of 40k's 'lost civilizations' are going to be Necron or Aeldari. GW's editors don't allow their authors that much creative free rein with the wider lore.

Another plausibility is that Ferrus encountered a C'tan shard. Maybe it had escaped and was using the planet of Medusa IV to hide out on or that at some point in the distant past the Necrons were transporting a tesseract vault when something happened and the vault containing the shard was lost, only to crash upon the planet. At some point Ferrus Manus awoke the C'tan shard and the two did battle. Ferrus successfully destroyed the shard, but in the process his arms were severely injured(maybe when he drowned it in a river of lava) and the necrodermis bonded to his flesh.

Ah yes little treat before I go to sleep, thank goodness it just came out lol

30 minute gang!!! Love your videos. Even though I don't know nearly enough about the lore to know what you're talking about, your theories are both entertaining and informative about the lore

It is indeed entirely possible that the planet was a Tomb World, and the various Canoptek constructs that were required for maintenance of both the Tomb complexes and stabilising the tectonics of the planet were slowly destroyed over time, letting the Tomb complexes be eradicated throughout the millennia. This way the Asanoth survives as a lone construct going off basic preservation programming, becoming little more than a feral beast.

I agree that Medusa is was likely the site of a Necron military installation. The world that I think is more likely to be a tomb world is Chogoris/Mundus Planus. If you could cover that theory, I would be stoked.

"Chop' en up boyz but bring me the eads" - Gorgutz ead unter

Wait so Medusa is just Mad Max-esque planet?

Man 40k lore is awesome

Glad you did this one my friend

Last time I was this early ferrus manus still had his head.

I wish GW would give more light to Iron hands, Blood Ravens and Salamanders.

their shoulder iconography looks like nurgles symbol...

When i was listening to The Infinite and The Divine audiobook theres a part where trazyn goes to another dynasties relic vault and he a finds a "Canoptek Wyrm" (dunno if its wyrm or worm because its an audiobook) apparently its a thing the necrons dropped on already populated worlds to wipe out its population so they could come in , the thing Ferrus killed could be one of those

I think that Medusa might have been a necron world, whether military outpost or tomb world, but I think by the very nature of the planet, their complex, and by extension the necrons inside, have been heavily damaged by Medusa being Medusa

I'm so early I don't know what to do with my hands

I am picturing that scene from Age of Ultron, where Ironman auto-punches Hulk in the face saying "Go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep" I think it could happen like that with Iron *Hands* and a Necron Tombworld. Necron presence? Absolutely. Possibly a science lab where they experiment with a early form of Necrodermis - or at late replacement for it. Of coruse there are plenty of other minor Xenos that might have a similar style or material but are less known. The Warhammer 40k Universe is full of horrors. Tombworld? Unlikely. And not anymore either way. A planet with heavy volcanic activity is not the right place to get a good 100 million years of rest! They must have been awefully pressed to think that a planet that needs to be artificially stabilized would be a good place to go to sleep. And even then, the permanent disturbance of the tombs by the current volcanic activity should have awakened or destroyed them left, right and center. If this ever was a tomb world, it should have seen partial or full awakening centuries ago. And there would not be a lot of it left anyway by now.

Kinda like chogoris is theorized to be also

*Yes!*

Remember that the Scythes of the Emperor had their Fortress Monastery right on top of the Pharos Beacon. So it is entirely possible that the Iron Hands haven’t yet noticed.

If a necron tomb is on medusa, I hope they are ready for figth for they life. They will figth the most stuborn, no mercy and resilient chapter. They will not only figth the iron hand but all the son of Ferrus will join the figth.

Awesome night capper!

This was fun. Personally, I like the idea that Medusa is a Tomb World, or more specifically WAS a Tomb World. The Necrons slept for ages; around 65 million years, or so, and that's plenty of time for geology to change. Perhaps when the Necrons went to sleep, it was more stable. They could've erected some defenses, like the aforementioned stasis field generators, but there are other examples of Newcron tech not surviving intact through the whole sleep period. Perhaps the developing instability hit the planet, and what Necrons were functional for maintenance weren't up to task of protecting their complex, leading to its destruction. Some roving traces could survive, and without lead from units bearing command protocols, they just continued mindlessly repeating old tasks, or went mad/malfunctioned. We know that even Necrons' repair protocols have upper limits, and certain systems depend on higher ranking lords, or even phaerons, to function properly, so maybe it just suffered a catastrophic failure, after a Yellowstone event, or other massive tectonic shift simply destroyed its systems, leaving it without necessary leadership.

Not the planet I would expect to be a tomb world (mundus planus takes that one), but I wouldn't be against it. I don't find the iron hands to be the most interesting chapter, and making their home planet a tomb world would be really interesting. Due to its very fucked tectonic structure, I doubt it would be a tomb world sadly. But it would be cool to see a tomb world where alot of the necrons were destroyed over the millennia, and seeing the leadership of the tomb world having to deal with these losses ontop of tomb complex damage and being on a planet controlled by Astartes. That would make a very interesting story, from the perspective of both the iron hands and the Necrons. Lots of potential there. Haven't watched the full video yet, but i know its gonna be great already. Keep up the great work Lore Master Rem!

It could have been the tomb world of the Silent King. When he left the galaxy it became abandoned. Now he's back.

Well done! Well done! Paseus from the ultramarine had a similar arm from dueling with a necron! Really good stuff!

It would be cool if Medusa was one of the original homeworlds of the pre-C'tan necrons.

Now the part with the emperors swords really has me intrigued. How would a space marine chapter react to finding out that their home world is actually a tomb world? Like before the Necrons have a chance to suddenly wake up and start slaughtering everyone. I suppose the answer would depend on which chapter and their current situation. 🎩 🐍 no step on snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰

Necrons wake up Sees the marines Necron “the same as always”

In the novel The Infinite and the Divine, one of the two main characters mentions that some worlds were seeded long in the past, with some world ending necron wyrms (i believe he said wyrms), to eradicate the local population. The beast Ferrus Manus destroyed would be most probably one of these beasts, which would account for the his Iron Hands. Another theory is that the great tectonic upheaval could have disabled permanently the tomb world, thus preventing it's occupants from being awoken or outright destroyed, as again, the same novel, it is known another tomb world had been permanently destroyed by a particularly strong solar flare.

For some reason I really like this idea because it allows for world building where not once race is in power and there could be a constant tug of war for power. I reckon it could be a ancient tomb world but like one of the unimportant ones or otherwise the necrons would have reclaimed it.

My idea would be that it was a tomb world at some point. But after the Great Sleep had begun, an event triggered the terrible tectonic shifts on Medusa. The Necrons, asleep and unable to adapt, were buried or crushed as the planet shifted. Thus, the tombs were effectively obliterated with only small parts remaining being what we see today.

Last time i was this early Ferrus Manus still had a head

It's one reason why the Iron Hands don't have a Fortress Monastery, but instead have 10 Land Behemoth mobile fortresses for each clan company (which are a codex compliant number in total) | 5:09 - As in the homeworld of Spiky Tits and the Thousand Sons?

It would be nice to have more iron hands stories.

Or,there's also the possibility that it was a Intergalactic communication system like the one found on Sotha.Belisarius Cawl discovered that Sotha was one of many such teleportation/Communication systems which are scattered all across the Galaxy.That would explain the Chamber and the small Necron presence as Sotha too only had one complex,a mountain(Possible Iron Mountain connection) which contained .several Canoptek constructs

Is this a update of an older video, could've sworn you already made a video on the possibility of Necron presence on Medusa or was it Asirnoth's origin? I tried looking for those videos awhile back couldn't find them.

It was a Tomb World, the Old Ones nearly destroyed it or it was the refuge of "The Dragon" during the betrayal and it was him, not some lesser Necron construct, that Ferrus battled with as his final great test before rejoinig the Emperor! Initial lore do said that Ferrus' hands where mechanical before the battle and became living metal after 'He plunged the great metal snake into the volcano until it was no more!', a battle in 'the Valley of metal giants' (the Dragon's necrons were known as the largest ones by the Eldar...). Manus had some weird reactions to certain events; he didn't test the Emperor like others did upon meeting him, instead recognising him on the spot showing greater insigth than most other Primarks but he was 100% convinced he could defeat Horus in single combat? He was so enraged by Chaos that he let his emotions get in the way of logic? How did he appeared to the reest of the Iron Hands to say he was resting on Mars, healing, and that he would return? Ferrus never showed Psychic abilities! How convenient that 'The Dragon' is also rumored to rest on Mars! Could he have merged in part with the greates C'tan or even been replaced by him? It would explain the lack of resistance to the Emperor; a fight would have revealed his true nature, and that he was so enraged by Chaos! I know, the Lore was retconned, but the whole Novel retelling is full od holes! Not one reliable witness could confirm the way it happened; Chaos is full of Liars and the gullibles! Ferrus Manus is supposed to be the First Primark to die, and Horus had no way to be sure he would kill another or Sanguinus himself; why would they give his head to Argon? It would have been a great psycholigical weapon against the Loyalists! Why would a Khorne worshiper accept a Slannesh's leftovers? It is more likely that Ferrus did something so outrageous that everyone prefered to lie about what they saw; no marine has seen a Necrn before, let alone a C'tan, and the crazy things they do like survive beheadings or opening gates that don't use the Warp or the Eldar Webway... But as usual GW doesn't know what to do with the Iron Hands; just look at the missed opportunity of the Eye of Terror campaign; they were the nearest Chapter to the Eye, but they recieved no attention from GW. No new untits or characters, no battle report, they were on the star map but you couldn't access it on the website and they only got one or two mentions in the conclusion report of the campaign; most of the Chapter was far away figthing Xenos and they had a prison revolt on a penitentiary moon that was quelled by the Arbitres! That is it.

I feel like the answer is that the Necrons Tomb got dumpstered by the geological upheaval, and maybe some of the power sources are still viable that make the lights

I think in the books Shattered Legion and/or Old Earth the counsel of elders from Medusa try to resserect Ferrus Manus using his metal arms that had been recovered. They belive that the soul of the primark is still within the metal as they describe it as having an "anima" to them. This would make sense if the creature he fought was not only a Necron construct but a fragment of a Ktan as well. It would have been a small shard with almost nothing left of the original Ktan personality but the basic will to survive.

Am i a tomb world?

I would say that it indeed can be a tomb world. Necrodermis is called living metal for it almost looks like dense liquid changing its shape as it repairs itself. Also in the past, there were many instances when the tomb world got wiped out by unpredictable events such as solar flare or electromagnetic impulse wiping tomb worlds collective data bank clear. But do not be mistaken. Tomb worlds are durable to such degree, that some more heavily fortified part can survive even exterminatus rendering the planets outer geological shell unstable or destroyed.

I wasn't aware this was a question I genuinely thought this was a given. That it was a broken tomb world, chogoris is too aswell if I remember correctly. I always figured it was the iron men fighting a unprepared necron dynasty that fucked it up so horrendously

I think the necrons rocked up, were like: "C'tan! What a shit hole!" And left. Ferrus arrived and forced a smile onto his face (nearly breaking it) and lied: "nice"

I believe it was necron iron inside and outside, but since media's shakes fall about so much it wasn't going till last last.

Medusa's got to be special. I mean, as far as I know it's the first contact the Imperium has with the necrons and it dates back thousands of years before the first official encounter and these necrons would be active in some way on the worlds surface before the bulk of the necrons waking up. That is of course assuming these are necrons and not something else such as men of iron. At any rate, probably one of the more interesting space marine home worlds

Is the emperor a tomb#?#??

Plz explain what tf is happening with alphariaus in the new books

Well Medusa looks like a weird parallel to Kuat in Star Wars

Sounds like the place got rekt in the past, with only ruins remaining. The monster could even be dark age human tech used to destroy the local Necrons.

Yes, but also no.

I think it would be cool to show that Medusa is a tomb-world.

Were there really a necron presence on Medusa I’m sure GW would use that as juicy narrative material.

What about Mundus Plainus(Chogoris)? I was under the impression that the planet was also a tomb world.

Unless they have changed the lore, Medusa is a very geological active world. If Iceland was a planet and it was on steroids then it would be called Medusa. Every settlement has to be mobile and ready to move on a moment's notice because the ground could split open at anytime. Because of the kind of world it is I don't think it would be possible for Medusa to be a Tomb world.

The problem with this is that, this being the case, the Iron Hands should have have records of Necron architecture and iconography. When the Imperium officially encountered the Necrons, the Iron Hands should have come forward and shared that information, at least with the Inquisition and the High Lords. That doesn't disprove anything, but it raises the question of why they didn't. The Iron Hands are not a particularly secretive Chapter.

Immersion Lord bless you

If the Iron Hands and/or Ad Mech found a Necron biotransference furnace, would they use it?

maybe someone ( like the eldar ) subjected the world to exterminatus in order to destroy the tumbs during their sleep, hence the geological instability

10,000 years seems too long of a gap..like, damn

the tomb world became too unstable and as a result the necron structures that allow the operations to function ceased to be resulting it to be a dead tomb world though i don't really know all about necron tomb world so this may not be valid but i like the thought Medusa being a dead tomb world

Yes

As disturbing as it may be... We Ould never know for sure...

Since the Necron went to sleep on well over 1 billion worlds, the odds are likely.

So a planet that tears itself apart so badly that it will probably just die out due to said ripping itself apart eventually meaning under the surface would be literally completely impossible to exist in even with necrodermis and reality-warping tech? Nah I'm calling it ain't a Tomb World on this one

It used to be a tomb world but after 60 million years the orbit changed or the mantle changed or the Eldar found the geological stabilizers and broke them.

Why would the Necrons build cities/tomb worlds on an unstable planet? Surely a species as wise as the Necrons would realize a structure built on sand isn't a good idea.

I don't need sleep, I need answers.

well there is always the theory that mechanicum worship a machine god of necron and iron hands are very machineish so there could always be the thing that they dont know that the necron god makes them worship machines or do away with the weak flesh

what if the necrons cause the war with the men of iron? or cuz they were based of necron tech

Have any ancient inactive tomb complexes been discovered in a "fossilized" form?

Yes just instead of necrons it has the iron hands

Not suprised the necrons had a billion world in the infinite and the divine

so in terms of the populus's living standards Medusa is a dusty version of Fenris?

The tectonic upheaval would have ruined thier stasis crypts. Probably

How did pre emperor humans not run into necron tomb worlds? Or did they, and the necrons caused the cybernetic revolt....

Medusa more like MEDU-SAAAAH

The evidence for it being a tomb world is too strong to be explained by anything else. The tectonic events may be why they never woke up, they may all be dead(er) because something happened after they took a nap. But the defenses remain online.

What if Vulkan led the Imperium after the War of the Beast?

now what if the Tomb world of Medusa is Ruined?

Medusa is Mad Max World

Dislikes are from Emperors Children.

So basically, it’s either a Tomb World or it became someone’s tomb world.