I lost my mind at "Gabe's moved on from abusing his own child but now he's abusing ALL the children." What an incredible line.

Juleka and rose felt natural but ms bustier felt force with the pregnancy and how the storyboard made it look like she had a husband

“Gabe and his long term obsession with Emily’s frozen corpse” Why did you have to put it that way🤣🤣🤣

Well...yes and no. In my opinion rose and juleka have more representation from season 1 to the present than any other queer relationship in the show but that's because cheek kisses, hugs or holding hands and things like that are for some reason easier to sell as "just friends" when it's between girls. I strongly doubt it was unintentional that Marc is in a separate class so that he naturally appears less and they don't have to make such touchy feely moments between marc and Nathaniel 😒 Even though canonically all 4 of those characters are queer, for the majority of the seasons their representation has been obliterated by bullshit like censorship in different countries that could have hindered the show's success so those relationships were mainly baited until season 5 when I think they gained the safety net of the show being successful enough for them to be a bit more blatant about it. So it's not so much queerbaiting as it is poor representation, since these relationships were confirmed by the writers as opposed to them being canonically straight but having shippable moments.

Many people have been asking how miss bustier is pregnant if she's with a woman. Seems like this show makes people forget about artificial ways like sperm donar.

I just want a Marc and Nathaniel episode. Is that too much to ask?

Yeah I understand your frustration. This show really has it hard enough with how strict France is already. Their censorship can be overkill in areas.

I honestly was okay with representation through Rose and Juleka from the previous seasons just expecting them to naturally grow, I wouldn't have considered this show lacking in this regard until that horrible moment in Migration. "I love Juleka... And all my friends" is so cowardish, either go through with it or don't tease it in such a way, seriously...

I'm really tired of LGBT relationships being a shocking twist almost every time. They did it in the American special and now with Zoe. Any other LGBT couple gets only hints but no explicit confirmation.

The thing about Ms B's wife. She had NO MENTION up until she was shown. No pictures, no hints at her being queer up until confirmation. But also, I just want one episode ONE EPISODE focusing on the relationship between Rose and Julika. Like how they got together, and how they act as a couple

If there’s any character I would call queer bait, it’s Zoe. No such indication she liked Marinette in a romantic way until the episode where she decided to confess. This means nothing because it’s not unique to her, Marinette had her own harem at that point, and Adrien and her are already going out, so there’s no tension of “yes or no” either. The viewers already know Marinette will say no. Basically no point. Not to mention she’s bait for people to hate Chloe…but that’s a different topic. 😅

I honestly pegged Zoe as a lesbian from her very first episode. Marinette has too much rizz

because of course zoe goes for marinette lmao, why not literally any other girl. might as well say the entire character roster of the show has a crush on mari

It's rare for me to completely agree with a video, but you have such a perfect take on this. You're right. There is absolutely _no_ reason they should be refraining on showing canon rose/juleka and marcthaniel, while we get to see ships like ivan/mylene be so open. We got a whole ass episode about kim and that fish girl. Yet _so_ many episodes centric on rose or juleka, and we've never even gotten to see a love confession or kiss. "Confirmation on twitter" is a joke of excuse. Can you believe that one episode that came out recently? "I love Juleka...... and marinette and nino and alya." Are you fucking serious? You may aswell call me a slur. Showing bg queer characters genuinely feels like a "here's your representation, now shut up." And I say all this as a queer person myself.

I feel like if there's gonna be an LGBTQ relationship in a show, there needs to be build up, like most well written other couples. Just a few mentions that a character is a attracted to a certain gender is good enough. Just telegraph it, cause unlike real-life, a show's world feels linear so if you threw a curve ball suddenly, the fans are not gonna catch it and they're gonna feel like they've been cheated.

Marc and Nathaniel was such a throwaway relationship. I'd have enjoyed him and Marinette dating for a bit before parting amicably and Nathaniel and Marc get together.

Wow. There's a lot of canon ships in the show that revolve around long-term obsessions.

Nothing ever happens in Miraculous. Rose and Juleka's relationship moving slowly isn't queerbaiting, it's just the Miraculous writers doing their usual thing, where every plot point takes several years to be resolved.

The Owl House ruined a lot of romances for me in shows like this. I'm not interested in slow drawn out relationships anymore, I like seeing couples together. Also I am 100% done with baiting like this, beccause I've seen it done properly now and it just doesn't hit like this anymore.

And I can never get over the fact how they ended Zoe's confession episode, I was like Come on! All these beautiful sayings! "love has no boundaries, no limitation, love conquers all!" How could they let these sayings go to being eye sparkles at the end.. Man so sad😖

Yes, they're queerbaiting. And situation is actually way worst because queerbaiting is not limited to just the show, Astruc claiming characters are queer on twitter without ever acknowledging it in the cartoon is also queerbaiting. Did you know that Alix is supposed to be aromantic, Max asexual and Nathaniel bisexual? Of course not because it's mentioned on twitter only and never brought up in the show what is especially infuriating to me as aro-ace person because it's not first time we're traded this way by media writers. Nathaniel had couple episodes and yet no mention of him being bi or being in apparently canon gay relationship with Marc. Max and Alix are literally miraculum holders and again no mention of their identities, not even a hint or a joke about them not being into dating like basically everyone else in their class, absolutely nothing. Those identities were mentioned once, fans got understandably happy and Astruc patted himself on he back for being so progressive and forgot about them completely. That's book example of queerbaiting, lazy at that. It makes me sad because bi and ace-aro spec people are constantly erased from pop culture when kids deserve to know there's more than just being straight or gay, that you can like all genders or nobody etc. Miraculous ladybug could be cartoon to help some kid discover themselves but sadly it's not if anything this cartoon makes comphet of aro-ace spec kids so much worst by portraying love as some magical force everyone needs.

Yeah I think so. It’s been going on for a while with both Juleka x Rose and Marc x Nathaniel. Now we got Zoe and Mrs. Bustier which is shown in the series but it feels like it was a one episode thing and that they’re not going anywhere with it so yeah

I was quite disappointed in seeing half the fandom cheering for Caline + Gisèle, as if the show wasn't being incredibly hypocritical about LGBT+ representation. Back in S4, after Rose called Juleka her "best friend" in "Guiltrip", many complained about the show's reticence to just admitting once and for all that the two were an item. Astruc replied that there was LOTS of evidence within the episode to get a definitive answer about that topic, yet somehow adamantinely refused to give a straight "yes" or "no" himself. Why did I say hypocritical? Because around the same time, he chastized fans by reminding them that, if they were too explicit about LGBT+ pairs, they would be censored in several countries... but wait, it's not about the money! The issue with censorsgip is that LGBT+ kids from those countries wouldn't get to see themselves represented! Too bad countries like Russia were ALREADY censoring any ambiguous scene that even vaguely hinted at Juleka+Rose or Nath+Marc, rendering Astruc's objection invalid. Cue to S5, and now the authors & the production have SUDDENLY found the guts to be more explicit: Zoé likes girls (Deflagration, Adoration), Rose loves Juleka (Migration, albeit they immediately try to cover it up), Marinette gives a surprising and out-of-the-blue endorsement to both polyamory and aros/aces (Adoration) and Caline Bustier has a girlfriend (Collusion). OK, so... what changed? And please don't tell me "something something Russia, war", because there are still lots of countries airing MLB that aren't very tolerant of LGBT+ themes either.

I definitely understand why people would be frustrated. I guess for me personally, I always hesitate to accuse a show of queer baiting because I never know if I'm reading more into something than the writers intended. And that's not just with Miraculous, but with every show I watch. Like, I'm not convinced that the writers for Supernatural intended for Castiel's "I love you" to be a declaration of romantic feelings for Dean at the end of Season 15, though I know Misha Collins certainly interpreted it that way. But that's just me.

"Okay, crew, I've decided it! We're going to include LGBT characters in our show! Who's with me?!" "Doesn't doing something like that tend to get shows canceled?" "Uh, add them? I meant to say imply them! Yeah, totally! Who-who's putting words in my mouth?!"

The teacher having a female partner felt out of nowhere especially that she’s pregnant which obviously makes all or most of us to assume she’s with a man. If anything the main side characters should be moving forward for sure and not just side characters we don’t see much at all.

What bugs me the most is how couples like Nathaniel and Marc are only official off screen. Sure in S5 we've at least seen them hold hands which was obviously about to be more. Until Marinette showed up because Adrien. Same with Juleka and Rose. It's obvious that they care about each other (sure you love your friends too Rose but be honest to yourself, you trusted Juleka with your biggest secret). I really hope that s6 steps up those romances and develops them further. Give us an episode focused on Nathaniel and Marc where Adrien and Marinette aren't shown to be in love but play the same part the boys did to bring these two together. Do the same for Juleka and Rose. Maybe spice things up for characters we've known to be straight, like Luka. Sure he's just a good friend but what if he doesn't care what gender the person he loves is? Another representation, the same could be said about Zoe. Make her get closer to Luka only for them to help each other (not get romantically involved with each other but with another person). Bonus if it's characters we've met before like Wayhem as an Adrien fan boy or whoever. But don't destroy couples they've already established. And one change to make this easier? Scrap all the Mr. Pigeon 199 episodes, no one likes those.

I don't think it's really ok that all of these characters have long-term obsessions with other people. I mean, I just feel like we should recognize that it's a bad thing and people shouldn't act like this.

I honestly don't care whether a show has lgbtq couples or not but I admit that I dislike virtue signalling which in al honesty it seems Miraculous is doing

Julerose and Marcaniel was confirmed by Thomas on Twitter 😭

I always felt that Bustier wasn't into guys because we never saw hints of it. I understand they can't fully tell everyone they are together with their same sex partner so countries such as Korea can air it on TV. If not they'll just cut the Bustier kiss like they did for Owl House for Lumity. We all knew Zoe's confession wouldn't go anywhere. For Marinette if she was into girls I can see her falling for Kagami and/or Fei. The only way people can know about canon LGBT is looking online instead of it in the show

I don’t think it’s queerbating, but I do think it’s the same issue going on with Adrinette, the reveal, the Hawkmoth defeat, and just trying to get the lost miraculous: it’s just the pandering and stretching out components of the show to keep their audience hooked. Let’s be honest, the show is holding on threads with its audience. Once those threads snap, the audience will have no reason to stay. They’re stretching this plot topic out as long as possible to get as much money as possible.

This show def lacks foreshadowing

I usually don't defend the Miraculous writers, but I assume the LGBTQ+ representation is kinda disappointing in the show mostly because that's really all they can do. Censors, especially for a show this popular worldwide, are pretty brutal and I'm certain they are in a similar situation to where the Adventure Time writers were with Bubbline. True, the AT writers did do an overall better job portraying how close Bubblegum and Marceline were, particularly the more the show went on. However, the confirmation kiss was left for the finale, because at that point the show was over, so there was no worry if that episode got censored or if the show was stopped from airing altogether in certain countries. I think Miraculous is in a similar position at the moment. Like, they're planning to have future seasons, but the main plot lines that have been going since the beginning will be wrapped up now, so the writers a feeling more comfortable with showing the LGBTQ+ rep more overtly - Zoey confessing to Marinette (if just silently) and Ms. Bustier being revealed to be in a relationship with a woman. There's, like, 5 episodes left and I doubt Ms. Bustier is gonna be relevant in any of them, so to send off her character, they revealed her partner. I'm pretty sure that they could confirm Rose x Juleka and Nathaniel x Marc somewhere in the finale too, since it probably won't matter after that because it could be the last time we see those characters (depending on what the plans are for the future seasons). Sadly, this is still how cartoons are forced to operate, especially the more popular they are worldwide. Can't wait for a future in which this is not a problem, but that future is not now.

I think it’s important that lgbtq+ gets normalized and exists without being the main character, but the way miraculous implements it is so weird, definitely feels like queerbaiting to me. I totally agree to your point.

Mahn I tapped out at the beginning of the season so this is all new to me. The miraculous writers will frustrate you with their aimless writing. The overarching arch is an imagination from the fans and the story has no end. And if the show does end, the sour milk has already expired for anyone to be satisfied with it.

Yes, agree! And when it feels like they're starting to develop an interesting dynamic they put it back in the back burner to give more time to Marinette+Adrien, which is honestly getting real old because they also don't get to progress much

Wait, Juleka and Rose aren’t dating!? I thought that they were already a couple that got together off-screen!

3:18 The gender swap Batman/Superman couple is basically more of an expy of a canon DC couple Apollo/Midnighter, a pair of Batman/Superman knockoffs that are in a relationship. So yah done before . The problem is we're told that off screen various characters are members of the Queer community being gay, bi, asexual and even non binary, but it's never portrayed on the show.

I’m so disappointed in Miraculous. I stopped watching half way through season 4 because I honestly couldn’t see where this story was going and honestly looking at it now I still can’t see what they’re trying to do with this story. If you aren’t Adrien and Marinette, then you’re not gonna get any good story and just be thrown into the background to cheer for the main couple. It’s annoying and honestly this show is just tiring to look at and watch. Don’t even get me started with the Chloe plot, this show is a fever dream now.

I am not homophobic or anything but I think that the shortage of LGBTQ characters is reasonable cuz miraculous is in the end is a kids show and in my opinion kids should not be exposed gender preference yet

At this point, just don't try to have gay characters anymore, its better than failing at having them

There was literally no reason to make Ms. Bustier gay, especially now that she's a pregnant character. It barely makes sense to me as an adult, how tf will it make sense to kids? They'll get the impression that a woman can get another woman pregnant. And don't get me started on Zoe, whose character was so dry and useless Asstruck had to make her have a crush on Marinette to appeal to the dumbass queer shippers in the fandom. My god this season's such a mess.

You are right, the show definitely likes to bait us. They also polybaited us with Adrien x Marinette x Kagami, and when Zoe had a crush on Marinette, Marinette said “there’s nothing wrong with having 2 partners or even 3 “

What pisses me off is that in half the countries miraculous appears in can't show realationships at all anyway and they cut out the kissing scenes between the straight characters and yet they still only add in those realationships and kinda censor the gay ones when if you deep it,its kinda pointless?? Some countries censor anything romantic anyway but they go out of their way to make the gay realationships less romantic and have less screen time and all that??? Okayy i guess

They need to hurry up and make juleka and rose and Marc and Nathaniel canon. They’ve implied it so hard they need to hurry up and confirm it

Ms. Bustier and her wife reminds me of my elementary teacher who also brought her baby into class with her one day and came out to us that she's lesbian. She wasn't the one who gave birth to the baby, it was her partner. She was a pretty nice teacher.

Wait, isn't the teacher… pregnant?

Anyone else noticed that Zoe’s clothes being the colour scheme of the pan flag.

I miss the good old days where I could watch cartoons without any worry of propagandas shoving into your face. People really have too much freedom nowadays .

Y’all do realize we still live in a time where child and family shows are getting canceled for having gay characters right? They still can’t be too blatant in a lot of cases.

For a sec I thought you were going to complain about a kids show showing "those sick things" to kids because ever since the new episode I was seeing many negative posts about it but I'm glad you talked about one of the main problems with Miraculous

welp, one thing's for sure........this aint a kids' show no more.

Actually this is the reason why i stopped watching the show

I really enjoyed this video, like, a whole lot. I have thought similar in terms of the lack of lgbtq characters in this series and it honestly sucks how after five seasons there is no clarity, there is no real proof that any apart from the two existing ones matter for some reason. To be clear these relationships are already formed while so many which seem to want to raise their pride flag are not allowed for some unknown reason. It really sucked that Zoe wound up crushed and such but considering how Marinette has been straight this entire time and in love with Adrien something tells me the writers and people behind the show were never going to give Zoe her happily ever after, though, in the time Zoe was part of the show it was never made apparent that Zoe was into Marinette or if she was I might've missed it. Marc and Nathaniel had chances but considering so much time is put into the Ladybug and Cat Noir segments what chance is there for side characters to even shine or have a moment of confession, ugh. This video was far from preachy as it spoke the truth on so many levels. I feel like when it comes down to it Adrien and Marinette were endgame, they were set up for the big kiss, the big ship, which sadly society and the shipping community have pushed for since the ship name was established back in season one. Rose and Juleka, they kissed once during the whole zombie thing but the actual kiss was never shown and technically it wasn't even a romantic kiss at that, still, considering Disney's track record with the LGBTQ Community and such, cancelling the owl house, even a series like ducktales with webby and lena, another Rose and Juleka there, the answer is so obvious when it comes to things. Least the Owl House got its two female characters together albeit a shortened season 3 and again cancelled. I feel this series could do better in terms of representation if only it tried and maybe put the brakes on Adrien and Marinette. Heck I was annoyed with the fact that Adrien/Cat Noir was coming off a bit pushy with his feelings for Ladybug, you remember those days right? It was still Adrien being pushy...had he known it was Marinette would it have changed things? Anyway yeah five seasons down and hopefully Marc and Nathaniel finally become a thing, Rose and Juleka, even Zoe finding someone. Also just curious if Nathalie or Natalie, not sure how to spell it but was it just me or did she have feelings for Adrien's mom? She seemed awfully attached to her memories of her but could be me just reading into it.

9:07 if they make the relationship so minor or so easy to miss that you can’t even remember or find it when looking for it I think that also proves your point

It’s hard not to really wing, can’t blame you now. Especially since content is mixed slightly. Is it baiting, From what I have seen 50/50. Yeah the LGBT+ ship are background at the best while everything else is sailing. Not all them but some. Miraculous is a love story but the love story is written never just as that exact simple it’s complex? Especially since the show really loves to bait with everyone… Remember the future of Chat Blanc and Shadow Noir the other ship of Lukenette and Adregmi. It’s that famous of potential not used yet. When will the ship sail instead being stuck under construction.

I think the point where they pulled beustie and the american heros into it is where it definitally went too far. Juleka/Rose and Nathanial/Marc was great and instead of overdosing Queer relationships they should have gone for quality over quantity. Giving those kids MORE screen time

Yes but also, they’re in too deep to change any main character’s orientation without having the same baiting problems

I want to add that they are twisting these characters relationships. I believe its been stated that they are just friends, but you know how those higher ups with gay on the brain, ruin innocent friendships and turn them into something they are not. And that needs to stop.

After Steven Universe got cut short for showing Ruby and Sapphire's wedding, more and more shows were allowed to have more apparent representation (Long story short, but it was basically none existent for while). While I'm glad we are getting some, cause hopefully studios can stop worrying that their cartoon is gonna be banned in homophobic countries, Miraculous is def doing the safe option, the "Disney's first openly gay character" approach. Like, It's better than nothing, but I'm not sure how many LGBT kids are gonna relate to the minor characters when they see so little. Like Marc was apparently based on a real genderfluid person, but the series basically forgot about them.

It's actually a huge letdown how most characters are just means to an end and only get attention when it serves the Marinette x Adrien lovesquare. They could easily make one or multiple slice of life episodes focused on the other students like MLP did with their 100th episode. The main characters were there in the background fighting something but the focus was on the rest of the cast.

Of course homophobes would come out with their unsolicited opinions 🙄

I would be fine if there was absolutely no LGBTQ+ rep in the show, but that includes no queerbaiting, no Bury your gays, and not making all the LGBTQ+ characters minor ones. The problem is that they’re trying to appeal to 2 polar opposite audiences at once. The thing is, it’s okay not to make everyone gay, but develop the minor character’s homosexual relationships instead of just having them.

When was Miss Bustier married? That came out of nowhere.

Supposedly, the cards feature additional info. For example, Kim has two dads. But I think part of it might be money. If they make the show "too gay" it'll be harder to sell the show to more conservative countries.

This is a big topic and I like the stab you took at it. Good way to get the ball rolling 👏

Remember how Caline Bustier got pregnant out of nowhere in the New Jork movie and now her kid and her husband are nowhere to be found because suddenly she's in lesbian relationship? Or how Marinette's "love" to Adrien made her to draw his whole life graph, to make him presents for all his birthdays, to steal his phone, to "touch" him while he pretented do be a wax statue, to break in his house with the help of on-job firefighter and later she acts like all these things never happend neither experienced any consequences but was supported all this time by her stupid ass friends? And Miraculous creator, Thomas Astruc, announced on Twitter some Miraculous p0rn comic as canon where Marinette was naked around black guys? Come on, this show isn't worth your time.

To be honest, the only thing more distracting than just adding ONE episode about a side ship, IS NOT HAVING ONE AND WAITING THE ENTIRE SHOW FOR IT!!!!!

I love the sunshine positive pink girl and dark depressed purple girl dynamic. I was a big Juleka and Rose shipper. They were my first ship in the show. But my interest has waned.

to be honest i alwaysfelt a bit weird at shipping rose and julieka at first because they never really adressed that rose had riz with that indian prince when rose was princess fragrence who beat out chloe for attention. but that said julieka and rose ARE really cute. though i kindof wish we saw julieka nad rose become closer friend sto adrien at some point since julieka wants to be a model and adrien is a professional model and is REALLY good at supporting people and listening...especially since he actually felt like he was listening to what juleika wanted when dealing with guilt trip...unlike mari who kindof kept breaking her promise at times like bringing in others to listen and freaking out despite promising to treat rose like normal even if it all worked out. or at least adress if the aren;t offically going out because rose is sick or something at least becasue they seriously seem like they have SOMETHING going on.

I'm willing to give the show a bit of a pass on the queer presence since they're airing across the globe and the lord only knows other shows have gotten into trouble for that. For them to play it safe with characters so minor that it can be cut with no change to the story is sadly a reasonable choice in that regard. But MAN do I feel you about the last part, and not only the pairings. ALL characters on this show suffer from the inattetion of the writers, where we're more interested in a hundred episodes of nothing rather than take a few minutes to give these kids some badly needed depth and nuanced relationships.

Come to think of it... I don't think everyone in the show is heterosexual until confirmed otherwise... I'm pretty sure they're making everybody BI until co formed otherwise. In S1 Rose seemingly had a crush on Prince Ali, and since then she's been hinted to be in a relationship with Jul. Nath had a crush on Marinette, he too is now hinted to be in a ship with Marc. Marinette is widely believed to be bi by lots of fans, following a tweet where smbody asked Astruc "what about Mirabel+Marinette?" to which he said "yeah why not".

I don't think you understand what the definition of queerbaiting is. Queerbaiting is teasing LGBT+ ships but then suddenly switching and they're actually straight (see Johnlock and Destiel). Miraculous has to keep it vague so that it gets past the censors of other countries, so that's what this is.

I like that these kinds of discussions aren't just restricted to channels that solely revolve around them anymore (not that I don't like those channels, just that, if only in a small way, I think it shows progress) :)

I agree these relationships are there to check a box, that’s what a lot of shows do because they want more viewers which = more money. Plus it’s a kid show so why focus on sexuality? Kids dont think that deeply about sexuality and neither should we. We shouldn’t focus so much on that, instead let’s just enjoy shows and movies for the story not for who’s dating who etc. And no I don’t dislike anyone, I’m just saying kid shows should focus on the story and not about sexuality. Let them have a break and relax watching a fun super hero show without anything being forced on them. I don’t think straight couples should kiss in kid shows either. It should just be focused on the story so the kids can have fun watching hero’s fight. Plus we can’t be angry that most the relationships are straight because that’s how it’s always been so it isn’t odd and majority of people are straight so it isn’t wrong for the show to have alot of straight couples logically. But yeah, shows like this and other cartoons will always add lgbt characters to score “woke points” like you said. It’s just how it works to get more people to watch the show. They don’t actually care to have a main gay character because it isn’t what they wanna do. They will only if they want more money and viewers. So it isn’t out of touch, it’s just how all shows and movies have been for years and they don’t “have” to include a relationship that doesn’t fit their show because it’s their show at the end of the day, it isn’t about us. Even though I understand where you are coming from, you want them to go through with adding lgbt characters because they hinted at it. Which I agree, if they wanna hint at it then they should just make it obvious that those two girls are dating instead of hinting at it. It does become annoying when they do that to bait viewers to keep watching but again it’s sadly what shows do because they want more viewers and money. They are corrupt so we shouldn’t be too shocked by their actions even though it’s understandable to feel frustrated:/

Bro you need to understand that this is a kids show they can’t force lgbt couples like that.

Did you check the wiki? according to that, Rosulika and Marcate are both canon.

While I agree, I assume, and from comments it's heavily implayed that they don't want to make these ships offical, because than episodes (or the seria) could get baned from parts of the word

I love juleka and rose’s relationship with each other in the series. I wished they were the main characters instead of what we got. What about you guys?

I honestly am not concerned about this stuff. I just want Luka to come back home!😊

Yknow how is the redhead teacher pregnant if she’s gay

Honestly, I agree with all of this. And I personally have multiple points to add to this. 1. I feel the biggest reason they don't put proper Queer representation into this is because the company doesn't want a certain group of parents to be scared away. This isn't exclusive to only MLB but with multiple shows and series throughout the years. Many shows seem to want to show representation of the LGBTQIA+ community to gain a wider audience, but they also know they can't because they'll get MASSIVE back-lash from homophobes, and can end up losing an entirely different group that views their content. So I can only imagine the "hints" and "allegories" end up seeming as queerbaiting. 2. It's no secret this show has terrible writing. So, even if my first point wasn't a problem for them (if it is/was, to begin with), the chances of them exploring same-sex relationships would probably end up disastrous. Either because they just suck at writing relationships, or because they'll end up leaning into a harmful trope or stereotype, or both! Because this is miraculous. And I'm thankful they would NEVER dive into gender identity because I don't even want to know what the hell they would cook up. But really, it's unfortunate we can't even get our main cast of characters developed. At least we have fanfics and headcannons, lmao. Though, if this stupid show really will get more seasons (I think about 8 seasons is the amount they plan on having), I certainly hope they can at least try to do something with our (possibly) canonically Queer characters. :)

i honestly liked the zoe unrequited love episode as someome who has been pining over a straight girl for years and i thought it was pretty realistic. - a queer person

A gay relationship doesn't need to be the center of attention to count as representation. It doesn't need to be the center of attention. An on screen gay kiss IS REPRESENTATION. It's not queer baiting, queer baiting would be having Ms bustier blush around her spouse, yet never say that was her spouse, and have that continue for the rest of the series until she eventually gets with a guy. Don't know if you're in the community, but, I am, and I was ecstatic to see actual rep after SEASONS of waiting. Rose and Juleka was queer baiting, but then again, Rose said she loves SPECIFICALLY Juleka in the disk. Zoe wasn't queer baiting, she explicitly came out of the closet to a crush. Queer baiting and actual rep are two different things.

You don’t need LGBT representation Gen Z is already woke enough The show is already bad enough You don’t need a force LGBT relationship to ruin the show anymore

Ok i gotta say the teacher one felt out of know where . Like in the show we havent heard of her partener before like ever. So this seems to come out of the blue. They could have at least gave us some hints to this.

I'm mainly annoyed at the mostly L relationships. Granted, they can consist on cases that are other orientations and representations which just happen to result in female-female relationships...... but Marc/Nathaniel are the only potential male-male pairing I can think of, with Nathaniel maybe being Bi as him being attracted to Marinette was confirmed.

Their just afraid that they’ll lose viewership that’s all.😑

There’s four canonical LGBT relationships. Marcaniel, Julerose, Miss Bustier and her partner and the New York pairing.

tbh we dont need lgbtq representation. lgbtq people want everything to be abt them (take it from a lesbian) there is more important representation like neurodiversity and disability. not just lgbtq.

I'm sorry if anyone in the LGBTQ++ community got offended by this. I didn't even notice this up until now. Like, I knew about Juleka x Rose, the uh.. red haired shy guy with the black haired guy (sorry I'm bad at names here) and now the teacher. For me it was like "alright, representation is nice" but really, there never really was an episode about solely a couple like this. I hope we'll get a special episode ^^

My viewpoint on it is that miraculous started before these other shows like owl house so it wasn't as acceptable/easy for them to do obvious LGBT stuff with it. Since the show started so long ago it started in the more "childish" mold rather than having the freedom that shows have now. At this point they have more freedom but I feel like they probably don't want to push these ideas too much outta fear of upsetting parents of the current young fans or somethin like that

People are saying there were no clues to Zoe’s liking girls but in Deflagration she literally said to Scarabella “well, not yet anyway” about them being a couple I literally said right then “um zOe, ThAtS a BiT gAy” lol

Well at the end of the day does it really matter? And plus there are certain countries which show miraculous that overly censor lgbtq+ plotpoints so it’s probably partly creators trying to have episodes allowed.

I aint seen a cool black character in the show so until that happens the show is at a all time high of mid.

Very typical large corporation behaviour, honestly. Genuinely telling stories about LGBT characters? Nah. Attempting to cheaply profit off those identies by plopping a few in the background and going back to ignore us? Absolutely.

5:39 okay, that caught me off guard. That was hilarious 😂

The thing with LGBTQ+ relationships in miraculous is that there are only straight and gay characters, less gay characters than straight ones and that makes it look like yeah either you are straight or gay and less people are gay. It's giving fck on the spectrum vibes. Where bisexual characters? Where trans characters? I mean I am not saying that every show should represent every single sexuality, since we basically have an infinite amount of sexualities and gender identities, but I'd like shows to have more than just straight and gay. Like a non binary character would so fit into the role of an animal hero, where people are like bro we don't even know their gender and then bam they don't even identify as one gender specifically. This is in my opinion such a missed chance. Or for example a trans girl who is looking quite like a guy still but turns into a girl hero, because it's magic, it doesn't even need an explaination. Honestly that is such a cool opportunity. Or just minor characters that show up once or rarely but are clearly gay couples or dressing androgynously.

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