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The dagger issue is simply they didn't have the time to implement it, just like the crossbow.

The most eye opening thing about your videos was how useful swords were and how little maces and hammers did to plate armour. This went against a lot of games I played as a kid. It's good you are willing to show us the real deal of armoured fighting and how different it is from unarmoured combat.

You should totally be a character in this game. One of my all-time favorites Dequitem. Master armorer and champion of the Rattay tournament! . Will you come work at my village at Pribyslavitz?

Would be cool if the devs see this and implement halfswording and such in the second game

I love that actual sword fighters also like medieval games 😂

Even with the mistakes it makes, I legitimately respect their desire to depict combat with a realism that most medieval games lack to a degree. Of course, it’ll never be totally accurate because even the most accurate illustrations of medieval combat, like Dequitem, cannot be totally accurate. The weapons are blunted and I don’t believe Dequitem and his opponents are *actually* trying to kill each other. I imagine there’d be a noticeable difference in combat if you knew that your fate if you lost is *death* and is why I think historical medieval fighters would wash the vast majority of HEMA practitioners. But nevertheless, the attempt to do so is extremely admirable and is a definite step up in terms of depictions of medieval combat.

I think a halfswording button would be a fantastic addition . Like you said, it could transition your balde to half-sworded stance where your thrusts do higher damage and a higher chance of scoring critical hits but have much reduced range and then your slashes/cuts can become strikes with the pommel/guard. Also, I don’t think we should underestimate how useful attacks to the face are at this time even in armoured combat in the battlefield. Most of Henri’s fights are not duels, but skirmishes in the wild, often against lightly armoured bandits. If we look at medieval manuscripts from Germany at this time, they almost always show battlefield foot combat done wearing either bascinets with no visors or with the visors lifted up. Very rarely do you see depictions of men fighting on foot with their visors closed in German sources. Now of course we can’t always take manuscripts at face value. This might be an artistic choice so that the writer can still depict human faces on the characters. However, when depicting cavalry charges or knights on horseback, then they are almost always depicted with lowered visors. Moreover, the characyers in medieval manuscripts rarely have distinctive facial features but are rather usually identified by their heraldry, armour or crests. Clearly, the implication seems to be here that visors were most useful on the horse or when threatened by archers. So in conclusion, this makes a lot more sense of how many slash and cut attacks there are to the opponent’s face. A well armoured opponent will be immune to many of Henry’s attacks, certainly, but most of Henry’s opponents are wearing thick gambeson and open-faced kettle helms or visorless bascinets, just like on a real battlefield.

A lot of these moves do deal very little damage to armored opponents, that's a thing in this game. A lot of these attacks will kill an unarmored opponent immediately or make them yield, but armored opponents just shrug them off. It'd be cool to see different attacks for people in plate armor, but they had some serious engine and manpower limitations when making this game, and I'm happy with what we got

Best channel on YT. There’s a real beauty to a channel that’s dedicated to two ppl donning plate armor, trying to kill each other. Even with the commentary videos, this guy has receipts for days. Keep up the good work!

The team was small when they made the first Kingdom Come, they did not had included the crossbows either, maybe this is why we could not use all these techniques, hopefully in the second game we will be able to fight like you are describing. Awesome video as always!

Ultimately the issue as discussed in this video is that in Kingdom Come, you're fighting a WHOLE LOT of people who DONT wear plate armor, and if the combat system was already complex, try to imagine adding in combat moves JUST for fighting plate armor. So, yea everything makes sense when you remember that many opponents you face will be those where all the shown combat methods are fully effective. In truth, a realistic plate armor fighting system wouldn't be very much fun not easy to do becasue plate armor combat is far closer to a brawl than actual martial form. It ultimately comes down to who can be tired out and then beaten/stabbed to death first.

Warhorse unfortunately didn't chose the best swordfigters for the first game. I know some of them personally and one of them is doing choreography for theatre plays and movies so he's more like a stuntman and I would even say that he does disservice to historical accuracy with his armory of movie props. One of the other guys is okay and knows HEMA pretty well but the important thing is that none of them are reenactors who would actually attend battles or actual fights in proper armor. I know one swordfighter group that worked with Warhorse on the second KCD and they're a bit better at least. If anyone would be interested Warhorse made a documentary about making of the combat called Fechtbuch and most of it is the swordfighters talking about HEMA (it's in Czech but there are English subtitles). kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r96jgb1ovarDmoU.htmlsi=9pQ1xCOe42xzVgV7

Almost at 100k subscribers! Keep up the great work my friend!

Great video and your breakdown makes me even more exited for KCD2! Also you are very close to 100k subs! So, premature congratulations to you sir!

Very good and nuanced analysis. Also I love that you're able to use clips from your own epic duels as examples of what you're talking about in the video. Great channel.

Just found this channel last week and have really enjoyed your duels. They are very well done. you guys must have some bruises.

Great video, very interesting to think about, thank you. There's not many people covering stuff like this in detail.

Very interesting what you mentioned about having directional stab options when in a half-sword. Can't wait for KCDII ⚔️

I find no one in the internet that is like dequitem he is the only one doing a full armor fights with no script everything is legit, soon many people will know about your channel keep it up 😊 ⚔️

I really like how much Dequitem explains and debunks the common stereotypes of the longsword 😊

Everytime I watched your medival knight fight video , they always remind me of this game. Finally you spoke about this gem!

Thank you for this! I'm a huge fan of KCD, and have since been looking into medieval sword plays from the Ledall roll and others. While there is huge room for the game to improve, I believe they're doing great work in replicating some of the mechanisms of longsword and arming sword techniques that the modern community has revived. Hopefully the next game, as well as other developers, put greater efforts into all the excellent feedback you have given. Awesome channel! You gained a subscriber!

I love the game, I hope the combat gets even better in the second one with more techniques and combos

One redeeming thing about swords in kcd, is that with properly high skills and stats, sword stabs on some lategame swords are probably still the most effective weapons in game in my testing 😊 even tho it's not supported by animations/moves, they just work

I totally agree with you, but i think the issue comes in the game having so much variety in how much armour the enemies are wearing so it would be kinda hard for them to make a combat system that works for all the different variations

Absolutely loved this video, a genuine masterpiece just like the last!!

Great video! I am sure there limitations in choosing between a fun video game, and an accurate simulation. Maybe more of the combos could include half swording? Nevertheless, videos like these give me a new appreciation for the game, and the real history behind it. :)

Petition to have the devs add Dequitem as a wandering knight. You vs Henry is something I never knew I needed 😅

Thank you for another great video. I have a question about your SIGI King. Did you torn off the cord wrap and replaced it with a leather? Or is it only a leather cover over the cord wrap? I am planning something similar, since the epoxy cord is too slippery and also thin.

I am already looking forward to your take on kcd 2 combat once its released :D

Woah I love this game. A surprise for sure but a welcome one!

At first I was going to dispute that I feel like the lack of variety in thrusts is for gameplay purposes, but honestly thinking about my experience when I started playing thrust centric in the game I started getting very bored, even if it was insanely effective against anyone in anything but a full visored helmet(and even against visored helmets it still worked, just with more persistence). I think there are some inherent balance issues in the combat system that unfortunately are hard to work around if you want things to remain as realistic as possible(in terms of thrusts being lethal) but also if you are going to have a system that makes them so essential to gameplay they should be more varied as well. Yes you can get by perfectly fine without doing them, it's just harder and I'd argue that thrusting in the game is one of those things that has a learning curve. When you first start out they take a long time and seem to get deflected easily so it's hard to figure out where to fit them in. Once you know what scenarios you can exploit, the game becomes trivial.

I doubt there will be ground fighting and dagger combat in the sequel, in the first game I fought armored enemies with a “stinger” sword and bouché shield and the stabs with that sword pierced their armor even if I poked their helmet or chest plate. I wouldn’t call it realistic and accurate knight fights but it gets closer than any other game. There is a physics based game called half sword that is the closest I’ve seen to fights like yours, despite the characters being pretty floppy and awkward. But I’ve seen people pull off half swording and grappling that ends with a dagger to the gaps in the armor. Fun games but nothing beats finding people willing to spar and train in armor. No game compares to a real opponent and no restrictions

The immediate thing I noted in Kingdom Come was that the rondel was not a thing 😄 The immediate thing I noted in Dequitem videos is that when the rondel comes out the fight is over 😁 Basically, with a little refinement, Kingdom Come's system would be truly superb. We shall see with Deliverance II. That said, the armor system in KCD was perfection.

I also feel Kindomcome lacks the half-swording to make it feel realistic. Maybe the devs can implement a half-swording mode when player is wielding a longsword.

Very cool video. Inspiring for our future productions!

I understand its flaws with the combat mechanic when judging realism but i actually used real combat strategy for armored melee combat to improve my combat skill in the game. I was amazed that it carried over. One hugely beneficial combat technique i implemented was the mcbane technique which was a detailed account of a 7vs1 brawl with swords. It even turned into a challenge practiced to be an ultimate test of the swordsman that was done for entertainment.

A kingdom come video! You are amazing! 🫠

you have grown men in paintball and airsoft lie about getting hit or not. they can’t let their ego go. i really appreciate and the admire you guys being able to let that go. that’s also something i admire as much as the physical skill component of what you do.

Thanks for video :-)

Great video

There are actually 2 types of stab attack (outside combos). First is the regular stab, and the second is when you hold down the stab button and aim upwards and then release, this will stab higher up at the face level. But i dont think it changes anything in regards to your excellent analysis. Also the link for the channel in the decription isnt working, its missing a "." at the end.

Get this to Shadiversity to react to. Respectfull, spittin facts, hands on experience, and no pride shown. Amazing video!

I really like the illustrations in the video, where are they from ?

awesome video. Heres hoping KC2 includes the more varied techniques! Nuclear Wessels

I think most of these oversights were due to a lack of time rather than lack of knowledge. Really excited to see what they do in the next game after 6 years

Want to get back into fencing/HEMA, particularly HEMA. Any advice for fulfilling KCD-refueled dreams?

Very interesting video! I would like to have an armour, but the biggest challenges are not even another fighters, but my future wife. Sadly she does not support the armour thing :-((( Anyway, very well done criticism. I am not a sword master, but I noticed this issues concerning heavy armoured enemies.

Would be nice if they had an advanced knight skill tree with techniques specialised against full plated armoured enemies. And maybe they could implement just multiple fight modes/ stands. One for non armoured people and one for armoured people. Something like that. Half swording was a thing in one of the trailers, but they unfortunately never implemented

Do let us know how you feel about the armor system of Kingdom Come Deliverence! Especially how you layer them. For example, gambeson under chainmails and chainmail under the breastplate. Because in your video where you show us how you wear your armors, your pauldrons were connected to the gambeson and i was wondering if that’s something medieval knights used instead of the layering system that KCD uses. By the way, i was actually looking forward to you talk about kcd’s swordfighting! Thanks for the video :)

I was just thinking yesterday you ain't posted a video in 2 weeks

great content

There is a major resurgance of HEMA and medieval combat interest in Czechia, which the game benefits from. I feel the game tried its best at both gamifying and portraying a relistic presentation of combat, but the need to gamify I feel did reduce the realism of general armored combat and it treated armored vs unarmored combat as the same, except that armor is treated as simply a larger healthbar in armored body areas.

I would recommend reading if you can find a translated version of a song called "Marko Kraljevic i Musa Kesedzija" (Marko Kraljevic and Musa Kesedzija" it is honestly so far the most realistic depiction of a fight between two armored opponents , they start by throwing spears at each other , then grabbing a mace and duking it out with that , then flanged mace then sabers then they start wrestling and barely bringing one and the other to the ground until one drives a dagger into another at the end, the song even describes how bloodied and sweaty they are at the end and how tired they got . It's honestly a masterpiece and I'm surprised that no one even knows about it

CANT WAIT FOR KC:D 2

I would say that one of the biggest inaccuracies in this is the over-usage of the longsword in general. The one-handed sword was always the most popular sword throughout the entire Medieval period. Even during the late 15th century when the longsword was at its height of popularity, the one-handed arming sword was still the most commonly used type of sword. I would expect to see much more sword & buckler in this, but I'm not sure that they depict any at all.

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Video or a simple reply about thoughts on different sword lengths for armored opponents.

where do you get your swords or dagger? would love to have one combat read for self defense

Just curious. Would a strike from a sharp sword have any chance on severing the straps used to wear your armour? Or something else like a thrust and pull back towards yourself?

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It would be nice if they added a button, such as pressing the analogue stick in combat to switch between a half-sword and regular grip of the longsword, and you'd have different combos/techniques available to you depending on which mode. More pommel, blunt, crossguard and thrusting strikes but less general defense due to having less of a reach to counteract weapons?

It all sounds very interesting 🤔

Very nice

The helms look better in the new game, thought it was a shame how many helmets had sights that were far too big, also the lack of proper aventails on many of them. The knight Henry is squaring up against with the klappvisor (maybe based on the one in the Met museum, minus the onion top which I hope also features) and houppelande under his armour looks really cool. The cuirasses look to be higher and tighter too. I hope the jupons are also a better fit this time around too, need to be much tighter than the first game.

What about halberds and other big spiked polearms, do they have any penetrating effect on medium to highquality late medieval / early renaissance armor?

KCD is realistic but its not a simulation. But you are right KCD has a room for improvement, I hope they will see this video.

My thoughts on this subject is that if it was 100% realistic a single fight would last way too long for it to be enjoyable lol. The lack of half sword techniques I put down to Henry being unskilled with a sword, and therefore doesn't know how to do it effectively. I'm pretty sure we see half swording in the trailer for KCD2, so maybe that is now not an issue as Henry is more skilled. Great video as always

Greetings! Do you believe that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu can be useful in armoured fights? PS: Everyone discusses how realistic are KCD fights. I'd like to see a discussion on how realistic are WoW fights ;)

What about Mordhau? :) ETA: Holy buckets I didn't realize "mordhau" was an actual combat move. I was referring to the game lol.

Let’s hope the second game has more halfswording.

Have you seen footage of Kinstrife?

I love how you showed that all the combos techniques are great just not use in the correct areas or not deadly enough for the scenario henry is in.

The armoured combat system is built around armour durability and a persons stamina, where damaged armour provides much less protection and anyone with good armour will not take any real damage from attacks, which I find very realistic, at least until their stamina is low, at which point their armour effectively disappears and you hit them for full damage. The player, when wearing full plate armour, can literally take 20 or 30 hits from enemies and only lose 10% of your health, so long as you space the hits out over enough time, but as soon as you get hit a few times in a row you'll get tired and die in the next 2 or 3 hits regardless of what armour your wearing. It's a flawed system, no doubt about it, but it obviously has a lot of very fun and realistic aspects to it, if they can somehow make better use of the fact that good armour makes people nearly unkillable and that tired enemies are a lot more vulnerable, without one undermining the other, they would have the basis for a realistic, skill based combat system.

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Well, let’s see what happend in kcd 2

Does the “blade part” of the sword actually play any role? What if we only make the tip of the sword sharpened, while the rest of the blade unsharpened, but thicker(harder to break plus potential blunt damage), will it be better for armored fight?

As a fellow harnisfechten fighter, i love your videos!

You are being perfectly reasonable. I agree with what you've said on this video. I just think if they had infinite resources they would've probably included everything you mention

I believe that treating all combat as unarmored wasn't an oversight but a deliberate game design decision. I couldn't find the interview where the devs originally talked about it, but it is briefly mentioned in some of the older videos. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/npqomtuSttfZnIk.html here around 4:35 and here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r96jgb1ovarDmoU.html around 15:40 and 44:40.

Well done!. We also fight with steel weapons. I have a lot of videos on my channel. Where the Romans fight against the barbarians.

Quite a few arming sword perfect blocks and combos end with half swording aswell but yeah It is the best we get in video games yet it still lacks a lot. Wich by the looks of the secuel it apears to include a lot more halfswording, have you watched it yet? They even feature the morterstroke

How the heck do you not have a million+ subscribers? Also, game designers, listen up!

it may be realistic but from the gameplay perspective it pisses me off when my opponent is SOMEHOW FUCKING BLOCKING AND OVER HEAD when i feint correctly and he just snaps his sword to block

Is it possible, that the game techniques would work better, if you presume that the armour is not hardened? I think that many of the sets vould even be just iron. Concidering this, could you bend the plates on limbs enough to imobilise joints? Aside from that, I was able to consistently target enemy hands with cuts and faces with points. Also I dont think it is just one thrust, but the first one would come from the opening you had the sword at, but thrusting into body the difference is not that big.

half swording was kinda in the game but was only at the end of a combo

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How you feel about physics based vr games like Blade and Sorcery? Watching this made me think about it, but short of experimental projects like exit suit, wouldn't give you the physical feedback. Still probably the most fun without a sparring partner.

I don’t have armor but a HEMA mate of mine does, so we did a match as if we both had armor, as far as video games go from the real thing….one is entertainment and the other is a martial art.

In reality, fighting a fully armoured knight with a sword demands completely different techniques then fighting a drunk peasant. In KCD, the same animations have to work for every opponents, no matter what they are wearing. The combat system would get way too complex if they would differenciate in that. However, they made blunt force weapons and stabs a lot more effective against plate armor, so I think in the scope of a video game, they did a pretty awesome job.

There is some different ways to approach to how you make some combat system "realistic" for example, I don't like the whole match your stance to block an attack since I feel that "blocking" is something far more instinctual. when staving of an attack you don't have time to think about where it's coming from, that stuff happens automatically in an instant. So do you match the realism of mechanics, or do you go for how accurately the "feel" is of your actions?

Some longsword - couter in KCD2 are weird. But it's good game

Hello Daquitem, or youtube comments, I am wondering where does he get his armor?

I think in number 2 we will see henry learn more about fighting plate armor. IF you think about it, most of the entire game you really only fight unarmored/ very lightly armored enemies like poor bandits. Which helps lend the struggle that Henry has been successful with these base moves and they just simply dont work against these big bad armored knights. I bet there is some time skip and hes learned a lot about fighting in plate armor at this point. I hope!

HOPEFULLY we'll get plate and mail armor in the game that also makes you nearly invincible like in real life.

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I love KCD, but always thought armour was far too prevalent for the combat system they implemented, playing the game it feels like only 1 in 100 enemies should have full plate and everyone else has a hauberk or its like, with lightly armoured opponents stuck using a gambeson, instead everyone and their mother has full plate or at least a brigandine, its so bad that any experienced player can get nearly full plate armour in the first hour of gameplay, turning the game into a one sided massacre until enemies get good enough stats and skills to fight back. The most fun I had in the game was when I was new to it and fought 1 or 2 enemies at a time where everyone, myself included has limited armour and attacks were lethal.

If you've played enough of this game you'll be able to take on armoured knights while "naked" with your bare fist in hardcore mode with all disabilities on. There comes a point where the simulation breaks down and the game becomes just like any other breakable game