Is the DC Universe Really Just Dark? AVENGERS vs JLA Explained

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9 ай бұрын

Will the DC Universe always be darker than the Marvel Universe? Hector Navarro dives into the comics to find out. Go to 1shotenergy.com/newrockstars for 10% off
As the DCU gets ready to officially launch next year, will they lean into a lighter, more comedic tone often associated with the MCU? Or will they continue their journey of exploring a darker story when it comes to comic book-based movies and series? With recent films such as the The Flash and Blue Beetle exploring the lighter side of the DC Universe, it could be a sign of things to come. Or maybe there’s a better comparison to be made directly from the comics. Hector Navarro is here to break down the epic 2003 Avengers/JLA comic crossover that included input from both Marvel and DC and explored some of the deeper and long-running themes of each universe. Is the DC Universe always doomed to be darker than the Marvel Universe?
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@KingOfMadCows 9 ай бұрын

The hugely successful DC animated universe was able to do all different types of stories. It was able to be dark and brooding, fun and comedic, dramatic and emotional, etc. Even their darkest shows like Batman had great comedic episodes.

@anthonyakauola9014 9 ай бұрын

Animated is much easier to make work than live action. I’m not sure if they could do the same with the dceu

@maxlopez7671 9 ай бұрын

Dc isn’t dark at all

@carlsoon6533 9 ай бұрын

The better story telling of the DC animated is causing fans to NOT watch the live action. I mean, I wasn't even excited on the Flash movie as the Flashpoint animated was so good.

@kvm6 9 ай бұрын

@@anthonyakauola9014only if the animation is good

@patax144 8 ай бұрын

I will say it is because the general public doesn't care about animation, that much and Studios put less pressure into it.

@SirsasthNigam. 9 ай бұрын

really incredible how 1st film of each franchise influenced the franchise

@mon_nobi 9 ай бұрын

I guess the first film really does set the tone of the entire cinematic universe

@personahearts358 9 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure the main difference between the two brands is that Marvel’s characters are more relatable and flawed wheras DC’s are more inspirational and dynamic.

@Pilot646 8 ай бұрын

Would you say this if not for synder

@libbyallen2566 8 ай бұрын

Agreed

@LednacekZ 9 ай бұрын

DC does not have to be dark, It just does not have to be crap. Same applies for Marvel and any other movie. We have seen 50+ comic book movies and series in the last 20 years. We have seen almost anything. You want people to watch it, make it interesting and original. The time where people went to anything because it had superheroes in it is gone. It is time to acknowledge that MCU phases 1-3 was a ligtning in a bottle and will not happen again.

@illTortuga 9 ай бұрын

This is actually a very interesting comic

@greenrobot5 9 ай бұрын

The first two Superman films with Christopher Reeve are top notch and didn't have to be dark like Batman to be good, that's what WB has to understand

@22dSanchez 9 ай бұрын

agreed but superman is a Brite spot in a dark universe

@madnessarcade7447 9 ай бұрын

People get upset that dc is dark but want marvel to be dark Freakin hypocrites Feigie says he uses 70s superman as a blue print for every marvel project Also they are both unique and maybe BB makes a comeback like elemental

@abivalentin8331 9 ай бұрын

This is definitely the most truthful comment that I have ever seen.

@matiasaniano5133 9 ай бұрын

Love Hector!

@weege001 9 ай бұрын

this was one of the better vids that the channel has put out. thank you

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!!

@chrisdtgordon5331 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for covering this miniseries, Hector! I especially love the interaction between Atom and Vision when they discuss Cap’s leadership abilities.

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Aw thank you!

@n3u3rotica 9 ай бұрын

This is one of the *best* NRS episodes I've ever watched. Well done, Hector!

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Thanks!!

@humoursabji4045 9 ай бұрын

Agreed

@carpemkarzi 9 ай бұрын

In my opinion, Zack was the worst thing to happen to DC. He tried to turn every hero into brooding , dark I’ll kill if I have to, ignoring years of character development. Fingers crossed Gunn can do better,

@maninanikittycat4238 9 ай бұрын

trying to make every character into these brooding mfs just doesn't work. especially with characters like superman.

@AceHBK972 9 ай бұрын

I think Feige & Gunn could pull this off but studios execs would stop or screw it up due to box office potential

@davidlutz2242 9 ай бұрын

I enjoyed this. Thanks

@jamesmcnair9548 9 ай бұрын

Yall need to do a break down of the dcau movies that ended a few years ago

@Micoke12 9 ай бұрын

I think what actually set the tone was the Christopher Nolan Batman movies. These films, especially TDK, were incredibly successful critically and financially. I think Warner wanted to continue the dark gritty superhero tradition with the DCEU and simply hired a creative leader (Zach Snyder) that was aligned with that vision. But it was a mistake to think that the tone that worked for Batman would automatically translate to Superman, a character who is fundamentally a symbol of hope.

@trevturp6891 7 ай бұрын

Superman can work in a dark and gritty tone.

@isaiahgrullon2358 9 ай бұрын

This is literally my favorite video y’all have posted! Now my goal is to find those 4 issues of Avengers JLA

@AceHBK972 9 ай бұрын

Great to see one of our heroes reforged, Hector! This was a great video subject with awesome knowledge.

@IsiahBradley 9 ай бұрын

THANKS for this, Hector!!!! WOW, you are talking about one of my all-time favorite stories!!! R.I.P., George Perez :(

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Thank you!!!

@RyanHaney55 9 ай бұрын

I appreciate that Hector is here to educate us on comic books. By the way, seeing Superman with Cap's shield brought tears to my eyes. 🥲

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Me TOO (the tears)!

@humoursabji4045 9 ай бұрын

No it didn't

@DZlotek 9 ай бұрын

The moment when Superman was worthy of lifting Mjolnir... Honestly, had a tear in my eye... Hector you are a great narrator 👍

@Bast6 9 ай бұрын

Just before clicking the play button, here is my answer to the question "DC must be dark ?" : NO, absolutely not. Some people tend to mistake "dark" for "serious" or "adult". If the CGI wasn't crappy AF and the film overcharged with totally useless fan service, The Flash would have been a very ok movie (but it's not, and if they had gone the Thomas Wayne route it would have been so much better... And don't need to go dark with this idea, just say in this universe Thomas is Batman, he is a different character, is has different methods, and voilà). Now, I'm clicking play ;-)

@johnhmaloney 9 ай бұрын

Great video and thank you for pointing out that each movie franchise mindlessly followed the template of its initial offering, instead of letting each hero have their own unique tone. I think that's a big part of why superhero fatigue has hit so many of us so hard ... it's not that we're tired of heroes in general, we're just tired of the predictability.

@Number1spiderfan 9 ай бұрын

Hector’s voice is so calm and reassuring!! More coverage from Hector please 🙌🏻

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Wow thank you! = D

@anthonydaniel1727 9 ай бұрын

Well done, thank you.

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Thank YOU for watching!

@codycarver9483 9 ай бұрын

We definitely need more content from the original source to combat superhero movie fatigue. Thanks Hector and NR for this 🧡

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@JOEdaLinestepper 9 ай бұрын

Unfortunately it seems that after Endgame Marvel has been employing writers and directors that aren't fans of the source material or comics books to make their films and shows so you get these bazaar artistic swings that aren't the least bit coherent or entertaining. Eternals being androids like beings merely muddied up Thanos' origin since he's an Eternal with a deviant gene. As for DC, it's always been too cheezy and too far from reality to ever be taken seriously. Except for Peacemaker and the Nolan and Reaves Batman films.

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

@@JOEdaLinestepper that’s not true, writers and directors post Endgame have still been Marvel fans wanting to make the best possible movies and shows.

@adamgoss3638 9 ай бұрын

I think 3 major problems are: 1. the fanboys obsessed with grim and gritty BS which factored into the 1990s Dark Age, which then spawned more creators stuck in that mindset and who keep feeding into dark-obsessed fanboy hype, 2. Warner Bros and DC Comics editors and publishers relying on that hype to base their decisions on (including hack creators who get into editorial positions), and 3. WB hiring Zack Snyder who, while he may have his own distinct vision for film directing, regardless of whether you like his non-DC work or not (I admit I am not a fan but I can't deny his devotion to the craft), was the WORST choice of a visionary lens to project DC movies through. We needed Greg Berlanti or someone of that upbeat nature to begin with, not 300/Sucker Punch-making, Ayn Rand-loving Snyder.

@velvetsuede7022 9 ай бұрын

George Perez was absolutely one the greatest.

@theirongiants 9 ай бұрын

I think both dark and lighthearted stories are needed for the success of storytelling. It balances everything out. But I think we don't understand what a dark story really is. Every good story explores thematically dark ideas and philosophies. The tone of a film should be appropriate. Whatever serves the story best for me!

@nickmagwood9200 9 ай бұрын

Other people holding the hammer will always be OP

@JonathanH71 9 ай бұрын

I’ve never seen Eternity trying a one shot

@JoninSnorlax 9 ай бұрын

Hector killed this, great video

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Yo thank you!!

@JM-nm3uk 9 ай бұрын

I was on my way to Iraq when those came out. They were a great read, very entertaining

@AsalazIII23 9 ай бұрын

Great Video! Thanks!

@DonDada773 9 ай бұрын

No one beats the Batman and joker duo 🔥🔥

@denbel5716 9 ай бұрын

As a longtime dc and marvel fan both comics and movies, thank you tor this well done narration ❤️

@brandonryczek6897 9 ай бұрын

This was really cool and i enjoyed hector doing a little compare and contrast! This type of content is really interesting to watch especially with the amount of comic movies there are nowadays

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

@mageeaaron2624 9 ай бұрын

This was great!!!!! Thanks for sharing this Hector!! I love the Marvel & DC crossover! It was incredible!! 🙏🏽💪

@X-Warrior.8719 9 ай бұрын

Yes and No... It depends on the storytelling in-general.

@dakotaloven1362 9 ай бұрын

George Perez literally wrote my childhood I have teen titans #1 signed by George is like my holy grail

@Wizardofozk 9 ай бұрын

Wow hector what a beautiful video so well put together I love it, great job!

@KodyK82 9 ай бұрын

Love seeing Hector!!!

@CarlosGonzalez-qi1vb 9 ай бұрын

“Avengers Endgame could never” had me laughing so hard! I love when they bring you into the channel haha!

@Rmedina126st 9 ай бұрын

I really love this type of content this is also where Hector really shines!

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!! I agree! lol

@Socksydeeryenaboi 9 ай бұрын

It’s good to have you on Hector

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Thanks!!

@jorgecarbajal8076 7 ай бұрын

I've heard bits and pieces about this crossover before, but this is my first time hearing someone discuss it in great length. Well done, Hector.

@marknugent9851 9 ай бұрын

Excellent, Hector. Got me emotional [wow, I wrote emotionless by accident lol] about a comic I haven't even read.

@danielmuliira5363 9 ай бұрын

They should make this into live action

@kiidkif2009 9 ай бұрын

Not yet maybe in 2030 when they get their shit well together

@elithomas2976 9 ай бұрын

Solid advertising for One Shot

@pabloquijadasalazar7507 9 ай бұрын

0:00 Naaaaaaaah. I remember DC cartoons being goofy af all the time. They had their serious moments, but they had jokes too. They just hired directors that like the gritty realism, and I’m guessing they did it because of the success of the Batman trilogy with Christian Bale.

@archeewaters 9 ай бұрын

i love both universes!

@Problemsolver434 9 ай бұрын

Erm, in what if, the stones work in universes outside rheir own. In Loki, it's only in the TVA that the stones don't work

@rixh5bandz_ 9 ай бұрын

dc fans believe if they make enough social media hype they’re spirits will go to they’re opening films for them

@cgrice1971 9 ай бұрын

More Hector please!

@SirsasthNigam. 9 ай бұрын

Great video

@dannyfandoms1 9 ай бұрын

Awesome! comparison! really want to read these comics now!

@Christopher.W 9 ай бұрын

This was beautiful. Thank you, Hector.

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

❤

@Mike90317 9 ай бұрын

Hi Héctor!!!

@atester1 9 ай бұрын

Great video Hector!

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@TheChampsBVI 9 ай бұрын

This comic is incredible! Really has me excited for DC to build up their universe so that hopefully at some point in the future we can actually get this. Imagine how incredible it would be seeing a fully realized DCU and MCU combined on the big screen?!! Easily the top movie of all time!!!! 5 billion easy.

@channelsofash 9 ай бұрын

Live action DC will have a film not do what the studio hoped at the box office and instead of digging down to the real issues it becomes well it must not have done well because it was not grim, dark, and gritty like a Batman movie. But comics and cartoons have been great when it's something like the dark knight teaming up with the big blue boy scout.

@shadowednight1600 9 ай бұрын

Because Batman sells well DC can't shake the whole "everything must be dark" mindset, which is really hurting them. If they bothered to flesh out more stuff they'd be in better standing but Marvel's MCU is going to be the end of them as a contender moviewise

@perrincustoms1 9 ай бұрын

Marvel: Ok we can reverse it, to stop it Doctor Strange: Ok easy, timeline is rewrote CRAP!! Batman: Hello???

@icey32 9 ай бұрын

If they ever made a crossover movie and the justice league yell out avengers assemble the internet would break lolll

@SuperCeleste007 9 ай бұрын

Also, the other marvel, DC crossover’s most of them are said in their own universe, where their heroes exist alongside one another is as well as other IP, such as image characters, transformers, and even titans from attack on titans

@trapsta_ent 9 ай бұрын

This could be a what if movie.. just base it off what if an spin off of both worlds use fan favourite stars and make it have a 3 sequel we can't ask for more it dont has to connect to any dc òr mcu project it can be it own thing

@wbennin 9 ай бұрын

Well said!

@brogetablue6975 9 ай бұрын

This is the saga that will surpass the infinity saga and nothing less.

@SuperCeleste007 9 ай бұрын

Although the main difference between the MCU and the DCU is that the DCU will be more fantastical

@goodsamaritan9003 9 ай бұрын

We need an animation film based on this

@divinegreen2715 9 ай бұрын

I just cried this is amazing

@srameypr 9 ай бұрын

When I read comics in my youth, I always thought Marvel was dark and DC was lighter. I have not enjoyed the darker DC movies at all. Those are not the characters/stories I know as DC.

@eddyviews1427 9 ай бұрын

I guess the main issue is due to over generalization, sometimes the one holds bigger success can overshadow other things that it takes time to realize. Like John Carpenter’s The Thing; more faithful to the source material and love letter to the previous adaptation yet nearly erased it. Or how when we hear Frankenstein, most would think of the monster rather the scientist.

@jamalbayliss8523 9 ай бұрын

great job hector

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Thank you!!!

@abeltyca 9 ай бұрын

fascinating👌🏽

@J.O.R.D 9 ай бұрын

12:38 PREACHHHH 👏🏽

@juliusceazarm.mendoza8133 9 ай бұрын

i want to see this on big screen.

@_TheViewer_ 9 ай бұрын

Depending on which person you talk to 😂

@drasvader1 9 ай бұрын

Yeah the delusional people would say DC is awesome

@himmynutron 9 ай бұрын

Im pretty early wassup cousin Hector.

@AhmedyassinMHaybe 9 ай бұрын

I love it when you guys talk about DC. I am a big fan of DC

@wesclark6253 9 ай бұрын

This had me tearing up GREAT VIDEO. Time to dig in the crates.

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Put on some epic superhero movie scores while re-reading it!

@thanoswasright5333 9 ай бұрын

Hey hector

@thatomanaka323 9 ай бұрын

i gotta read this one🔥

@videochannel5183 7 ай бұрын

Hector!

@aryiaquinn 9 ай бұрын

😂 Hector don't make me feel older than I am. XD

@SnalezDrt 8 ай бұрын

I’m not sure what version of what if you watched but I’m pretty sure the stones worked outside of their native universe in the MCU. And in Loki they’re outside the universes so… not necessarily

@fueltheunusual 3 ай бұрын

More Hector he rocks

@monkey.brains 9 ай бұрын

Marvel comics are actually the darker of the two. The Marvel movies just happen to be lighter than the source material. The Snyderverse decided to be darker in order to maybe gain a different audience but it didn't work out.

@ashaoluomotola5201 9 ай бұрын

This video is a beautiful love letter to DC fans mostly. As a lifelong DC fan, I approve this message.

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Yes! Thank you so much!!

@ashaoluomotola5201 9 ай бұрын

You are welcome@@hectorminator

@Glaaki13 9 ай бұрын

Damn this is a cool video

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

Thanks!!

@Glaaki13 9 ай бұрын

@@hectorminator do more 😄

@hectorminator 9 ай бұрын

@@Glaaki13 I’ll try! Thanks again for watching!!

@QuestionMan 9 ай бұрын

I remember reading 96’s Marvel vs. DC. JLA Avengers was better.

@vincently1995 9 ай бұрын

Marvel = Disney DC = Warner Bros.

@Micoke12 9 ай бұрын

But actually the first few MCU movies were released by Paramount and Universal. Avengers was the first Disney MCU movie. But I guess you could argue that Disney bought Marvel because the movies fit their brand!

@angelo4726 9 ай бұрын

What do you mean, "and in the what if, animated series?" They break the rule and shiw Ultron using infinity stones from his reality in other ones.

@Tucsonwolfman 9 ай бұрын

DC is about finding hope in the darkness, marvel talks about the fighting the good fight. They're telling two different types of stories

@taureanbeaver3203 9 ай бұрын

My generic impression of the distinction between Marvel and DC is that Marvel is for somewhat more mature kids while DC is for somewhat less mature adults.

@PURPDIZZY1 9 ай бұрын

🔥🔥

@msl1461 9 ай бұрын

i can darely say its bright , and we dig that

@baron7755 9 ай бұрын

THEY think it needs to be, but THEY are wrong

@WitchMaster-vi4kp 9 ай бұрын

problem with blue beetle is that its an origin story and tries nothing unique to the superhero movies. its the same old good movie done good enough

@deucezulu_22 9 ай бұрын

I disagree. With DCEU track record, and not promoting the film due to the strike, its what hurt the film. Characters like Blue Beetle need their origin stories since they are not well know to the general audience.