Does any1 know how he has sooo many cells?

@@jojosiwath1525 he probably just spent money duh Edit: I just realized he has 3600 dollars worth of cells.

Jojo Siwathe1 it was a glitch when the devs gave him his auric cells I believe

@@bombthing nah it's a glitch.

How does he have so many hours and do shit like this still lmao

Agreed. That's my biggest concern

@@OhTofu That 180 flick with Q-E is probably an exploit. good job finding exploit. I wonder if his demon dash has similar turning exploits. They'll probably fix before it goes to live.

something small like making him work more for his power will make it better instantly

Make the whole thing where the power deactivates and loses charge happen when he downs someone with the power instead of when he picks them up. Would prevent slugging and make him much less powerful, while still keeping him fun.

Killer: has viability Survivors: Nerf him to the ground

Orbs might be above oni!

This guys out here doing the real legwork

@@uncertaintytoworldpeace3650 thank you

There's no way "literally" is not up there.

u forgot ''but''

Facts. I'm one so I hope he doesn't get nerfed too hard or at all.

As a billy main I have to agree. I'm pretty excited to play the oni.

Depends, I’m waiting to see how they’ll nerf him then we’ll see

Haven’t even played him yet and I love him

I won't, I main Billy and I'd rather give survivors a chance 🤣

The problem though is unlike Hillbilly and Leatherface, the ONLY TIME Oni has Collision stuns is when he SOMEHOW misses an attack and hits a wall. He has more drifting capability then Hilbilly with BOTH drifting add-ons and never has to worry about getting stunned by bumping into walls. There is next to no stun downtime on his charge if he cancels it early. His three strike smash actually strikes so fast that it can hit people with Borrowed Time twice (an issue Leatherface had) and each one counts as a seperate attack so invincibility frames are negated. He needs to be dropped down a peg. Maybe two.

You know ptb is to see the opinion of there customers to have feedback on different chapters.

Thank you!! Every rank 1 survivor I know is playing against him and bullying him just as they would any other, he’s not OP in the slightest, just loop him efficiently and you’ll escape as usual if you’re a decent rank 🙄

@@David-ki2pu and survivor mains feedback is always NERF ME NO LIKEY NERF WAH! then they nerf. and the killer is another bully bait mid tier.

@@Zennethe I think both sides cry over nerf or buff. I don't think there is only one side complaining about nerf.

Nah he is definetly the 2nd strongest killer. Even spirit cannot kill a whole team in one charge by default without perks/addons. When the nurse is 10000 and the spirit 5000 he is like 8500 at least^^ But yea i keep pausing this game if they wont adjust his power. I would like if they slightly nerf his flick and his movement. So both can stay but you have some places and jukes to avoid his dash

Hakuma Matata He probably isn’t as strong as spirit. He has really weak early game but can snowball quickly but the snowball can be mitigated. He will crush disorganized groups but will probably struggle against a group of 4 good/coordinated survivors. Think about this: Start of game he has to normally chase somebody with no power. Say all 4 survivors are good. It’s going to take 60-90 seconds to get the survivor completely down if you’re a base killer with no power and the survivor is looping properly. 2-3 gens are getting done by the other 3 survivors. He downs the survivor, gets power, activates power and finds another survivor. That survivor goes into a locker and gets caught BUT he loses his power and is just a m1 killer again. 1st survivor gets rescued/healed. He doesn’t have power nor is there a lot of blood anywhere to instantly get it back so he’s back to m1 killer status. Finds another survivor, gets looped for another 60 seconds or so and the gens are done. I would agree that he would be 2nd or 3rd if you couldn’t turn off his power in exchange for a single survivor hook (which is good trade given how bad he is without it). And if he didn’t wasn’t tied for weakest early game with trapper. That being said, he’s going to really destroy solo survivors and uncoordinated teams.

I love how high people rate him, because of him being able to oneshot. But they keep forgetting that Billy exist, who could snowball all game lol

Plague got nerfed on release so yes Yea there's that

@@Bread-TM 1 shot + control + speed + over 180 degrees of movement to get your hit on survivor when you stop to get your hit. Billy does not have the control to go with his movement and 1shot, nor the ability to get juked then be like nah fuck you, spin 180 degrees and smash your face in anyways. Love how brain dead twits like you are acting like he's only a 1shot, not 1shot with speed, and insane control, and the 180 flick.

@@Soapromancer then the only way he would gain his power would be passivly which takes forever

@@Soapromancer in that case they should make it so he gains some of the power when downing them (like when he hits healthy survivors

@@Irrion problem is that the Oni if in fury will loose his power when he picks up a Survivor

@@Irrion Good Survivors can loop the killer all game and rob Oni of his power by not giving hits

@@Irrion his power may not be used as an offensive action but more to gain mobility and map pressure

Impossible.

@@luminosity6 Idk about impossible, I can still curve with Billy on console.

It'll have a similar skill cap to Billy and Myers combined I'd say

I played ptb with a controller and he felt about the same minus maybe the 180 flicks Everything else felt fine

@@Gelunix So basically use a controller if you want to play a balanced Oni.

you can buy it with shards so I doubt that is their strategy lol

@@RemOmni thats always their stratagy

You can mock it all you want, but they are right

@@RemOmni Shards, you mean fake money you pay with real money?

@@yourikhan4425 Are you referring to auric cells? Cause shards are free my friend

The thing is I’ve never been with a group of survivors it’s always just me and 1 other friend and probably about 80% of the time we get a Claud who just sits in the corner of the map and escapes through hatch because we’re the ones getting chased and doing the objective

He’ll be borderline unplayable against SWF red ranks especially if they change him. You know how quick gens get done while he’s M1ing around the map???

Gen rush.. as always. Sure! You're supposed to win every game easily - that's what dbd is about. U know what? tic tac toe with yourself might be your game to play? But dont be mad if u trick yourself just bc you're a bit better than youself ;)

Who remembers the absolute joke that was old killer vaulting speed? Like, 3-4 second window vaulting, and that was just how the game was for killer. There have been so many different, horribly egregious things, and yet a killer that's advantaged in the 1v1 state is somehow unbearable

Simple. SWF should fuck off out of the game entirely. Right now, it's ruining the balancing and killers are getting fed up to the point where this killer seems completely reasonable for the solo experience, in their opinion. I shouldn't have to suffer as someone who likes playing solo just so killers have an easier time against SWF. Nothing should be balanced with SWF in mind.

I really like this point, it's like facing Myers, you keep him powerless and survivors have the upper hand however the power is very easy to get if you even have 1 weak link in your team so maybe a slight tweak could be made as it isn't fair that you all get destroyed cos of that one guy that feeds a free hit

Not to mention console players cannot do that flick AT ALL. Controller sensitivity for DbD is extremely low compared to what a mouse can get, so us console players will at best MAYBE get a 90° flick. I don’t see us console bois getting the 180 flick

And yeah, TOFU was playing against terrible terrible survivors. They pretty much ran at him half the time

Are you for real?

First of all, he talks about the skill of these survivors IN THE VIDEO (not sure if you watched it). Also, this idea that you can't determine how strong his ability is in a vacuum is kind of silly. If I told you a killer could teleport to any survivor and one shot them with no cooldown, it would be obvious that's a broken ability. I don't need to play 50 rank 1 games to properly analyze that ability. Similarly, Tofu's argument still has merit regardless of the level of survivors he's playing against because he can still refer to the mechanics of his ability. (I'm not personally saying I think it's overpowered, I genuinely haven't thought much about it. I'm just referring to your argument).

Enjoy having zero pallets at the end of the match then.

knotwrite at least you’ll make it to the end of the match. The amount of pallets on most maps is long enough to loop the killer till end game collapse if you play it safe as survivor.

The thing is this guy also insta down, pressures the whole map with no effort and can do that constantly through the game.. like lets be honest now, this guy is broken as fuck. And I’m a killer main saying this, I like the idea of killers being strong, I want them to be.. but one thing is strong, one thing is broken. This guy is worst that omega blink nurse and gen grabber spirit combined and multiplied to a infinite tier 3 Myers in a map with no loops 🤣

Agreed. Also hide whenever he uses his ability and only heal when he doesn’t have his ability. If you hear his heartbeat don’t even risk it get to a pallet asap. Try not to do any gen not near a pallet. All of these strategies will give you the best chance to survive against him. When survivors learn that then we’ll see if he’s truly overpowered. I do believe they should take out the strafe step and 180 turning with oni tho.

Did you really just compare this guy to clown?

Huntress is viable but I'm guessing you suck at aiming.

@@rundogierundogie4653 I only use bbq for the blood points xD But I mean new perks don't necessarily need to be good but like creative or fun. Because the survivor perks are cool again like for that one where you can pick up a pallet. But for killers lately the new perks are just bad and not fun. Or they are just soo weak that you cant even use them in a fun way. Dark Devotion for example. It is not strong but so much fun to use but lately survivors get fun perks and killers not :(

Nemesis is an awesome perk. Mindbreaker was a great design, handicapped by low numbers. Thrilling tremors is super cool. The killers keep getting interesting perks, it's just people who refuse to swap off enduring, spirit fury, ruin, and BBQ that are boring as fuck

Have you seen this dudes one obsession perk? That’s insane with shit like play with your food or things like that

@@PencilKing21 Really? I ma experiment with that after the PTB is over. I just heard its stupid on legion if you know what I mean.

@@firedrake110 I never play with Spirit Fury and Enduring but with Ruin and BBQ. And I am feeling the same way with Mindbreaker but the thing about Thrilling Tremors is that it is basically BBQ but without the bonus blood points. You pick someone up and know where survivors work on gens. You hook someone with BBQ and you see where people are but can be countered through lockers. And you can not tell me that Thrilling Tremors is a good slowdown perk. It only lasts for 16 seconds and does not work on Generators survivor are already working on. + The cooldown is somewhat high for an effect like that.

What are u doing here yerv?

survivors are just mad because they like to remain injured the whole match and gen rush and they dont like how tea bagging is punished against oni so they want him destroyed.

Exactly ,any decent survivor can loop him around

Agreed. I may have been going against shit killers, but a few people, a streamer, and myself played swf and dominated against the oni. I only died 2 out of like 15 games due to one being my teammate always leading the killer back to me and the other one me suiciding to save the streamer. First one could’ve been avoided by not healing when he was in demon form and hiding or looking out for him on a gen instead

If you look at his power in a chase there isn't a counter to it. The tactic is to use everything you can to not get injured at the beginning.

@@mr.purplet-rex2774 he follows the path the survivor takes and smacks him/her down.

Sir Isaac Newt you should check his vod he did play with rank 5-1 survivors for a bit granted this video showcases normal ptb random matchmaking until the very end when he shows the clips

PLANET PLACE he was literally playing against dog shit players, if he was going against survivors at his skill level they wouldn’t be in ANY of those situations and optimally loop. How can you possibly use this video to judge whether he’s op or not, it hasn’t even been a fucking week

Yea the main thing that's making oni look broken is the large rank difference on the ptb if it was all rank 1 surv vs rank 1 oni it would be way different

The games not that complicated, he's just a really strong killer. A bit too strong in some facets of his power, and just needs minor tweaks to keep him strong but not soooooo strong that he wins in every single exchange.

You have to window loop this killer, because he slows down if he has to vault

I dont think the powertime is the problem, but more like his 0-collision dash with instant down. To make a delay would nerf him to much, so maybe more like, that the dash consumes some procentage of his power per second of use. Like 2% per second

Zero collision instadown dash where you can 180 flick around loops and break pallets in .2 nanoseconds. Seems balanced for console, but for PC it's absolutely broken.

Zero collision instadown dash where you can 180 flick around loops and break pallets in .2 nanoseconds. Seems balanced for console, but for PC it's absolutely broken.

Ethan King Well, isn’t it that problem of that exploit turn-rate on PC? Just make a limit of degrees you can turn in a second, and he will be OK. That is, kinda, all it is about, right?

Longer fatigue? How bout a charge time and fatigue like the nurse.. it annoys me that they have a killer like this but wont allow the nurse to just have tweaked add ons and not a base nerf

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@@user-ke8ew3or5n Oh, probably just my experience then.

I wouldn't say significantly. His power doesn't punish you a ton for being inaccurate, like Nurse for example. She's like... unplayable

@@stroads. the flick is going to be a joke on consoles. You'll only hit potatoes or severely out of position survivors.

You don't have to flick. You can just cancel the dash and hit them normally, you don't have cooldown.

Harder to play on console but not impossible, people always say nurse is impossible to play but i'm a rank one with nurse. Still strong just harder to master, hopefully they dont ruin him before release because he looks viable at rank 1 which is super rare.

Play on PC then my dude. You can use a controller on it

Nightlight CookieJar that’s because he doesn’t have clear counterplay, if he comes out the way he is, he will literally be another spirit

Did you even watched the video? He's clearly busted

Lewis Tyler Yea I have. The only 2 things I’d adjust with the oni to keep him strong is remove the lunge on his instadown swing, and remove the ability to combo his dash into his swing. He has counterplay, you can still loop him like any other killer. Peeps in this video were just flat out idiots. He’s got nothing on spirit or nurse, if anything he’s more of Billy’s tier of strength.

Yeah I dont know how he didnt point this out or realise it

Laguz this is nothing like billy...

@@ilovepizza8263 same technique for aim and movement, most people, the reason they're bad at billy is they can't control the chainsaw, if you can control chainsaw you can almost definitely just pick up oni's demon dash and slightly adjust their technique in 2 games at most.

@@bneisasmiler4942 umm no.... onis movement is NOTHING like billy. billy actually requires practice, and penalizes the player if they make mistake. onio is super easy to maneuver first time and there is no penalty at all for making mistakes.

@@ilovepizza8263 Oni is easier for sure but still more similar to billy than any other killer. Skillsets transfer. Still is a penalty for bumping into shit, just not as extreme

buff? why in the goddamn earth would you buff him

Oni buff idea: Upon entering the match, all survivors are immediately put into the dying state and are simultaneously moried.

@Cannon Litchfield Pop is only 25% and regresses a gen heavily. 3% would be base then it could be upgraded to 5% at tier 3

@@bosulet8907 Because he's quite weak vs skilled survivors and close quarters maps such as lerys or haddonfield make this killers power useless.

@Cannon Litchfield Tier 3 for the perk not his power. 3% tier 1, 4% tier 2, 5% tier 3.

Support the game you love

It was a bug that happened to him and a few content creators

Who wouldnt spent 30k dollars to a game you're fan of? If youre a true fan of dbd you spend 30k? Idk what you mean.

Psych Cow Finally somebody with a sensible opinion. Thanks, Stranger!

The problem is that juking him just leads to either him looping around with his insane mobility, or he just cancels his power and doesn't really stop. Alternatively, he just flicks into you and you're down.

@@VernulaUtUmbra I can see how that would be frustrating for newer survivors or solo survivors. But if a killer goes up against a swf team on coms who are decent in chase and good on gens he NEEDS to down you really fast to be able to win. For example gens can be done in 80 seconds. Let's say one person gets chased for about 30 seconds. That's not including the time finding him, and then you need to pick him up and hook him. So that would be about 50 seconds gone if we're being generous. And then you have to find the next survivor and complete the whole process all over again. So by that time there can possibly be 3 gens done already. I dont think the problem is oni, it's just the survivors objective in general. It should be reworked if dbd has any hope of being fairly balanced

@@rundogierundogie4653 I don't think killer should need an item to have a chance at winning at the most optimal level of play. I just hope the devs don't needlessly nerf "viable" killers and that they take the game in a direction that is mostly skilled based instead of praying you're not going up against a sweaty swf group. But I'm no game developer so I dont know how hard it is to balance this kind of game. There is no other game like this after all

@@creamyspinach4182 eh idk man I think he needs a nerf and I played like 10 games with him, within my first hour I figured out how to play like tofu is and I got a sweaty swf, and even though they were pumping through gens I was able to slug and keep pressure on like crazy. I may not be the best killer, but even these really good survivors were struggling against this power

Eric N It is insanely hard. For example, a lot of the perks are skill-check based. Hence, Ruin, Doctor, Decisive Strike are all a mess to deal with in terms of balance. To explain: DS is OK when there is an average-below average survivor skill level (it is intended that you can miss it). However, VS decently skilled survivor it can be a pain to deal with (at least pre-rework). Similarly, Ruin obliterates low-skill survivors (they cannot do generators at all). It is fairly balanced around average-decent survivor gap. However, VS high skilled survivors it has barely any effect, if any, and is quite underpowered. This skill diversity makes a lot of perks and killers pain to balance. Nurse is super strong when the player is skilled. If they are not, she is quite useless. Legion/Letherface stomp low-skilled coordinated teams. However, they cannot do anything against coordinated teams and/or good players. Also, the fact that killer class pretty much is determined by the survivor mistakes is a factor making balance nearly impossible. example: If your killer is strong when survivors do mistakes (SAY plague), they are balanced or a bit strong VS their expected skill-demo. But, they are absolutely garbage if the survivors do no/very little mistakes. Similarly, if you were to make a killer destroying survivor who do no mistakes, would low-skill survivors stand a chance? Etc. Skill diversity make this game early impossible to balance. Also, the fact that some mechanics can be fully avoided (for example perk about survivor aura reveal) with SWF and communication does not help to balance the game either.

His steering is terrible? He can 180 around tight loops and zig-zag through jungle gyms... He is effective on almost all map tiles on pc. I'm sure on console he'll be balanced, but he definitely needs a nerf to account for the flicking that pc players can do.

@@ethank6311 Ok, well if his steering is that good, then yes, they should find a way to nerf the flicking. No matter the DPI I choose, I haven't been able to get or replicate flicks, but that's not to say they aren't possible in skilled enough hands. Hopefully they could nerf it though to where it doesn't affect the medium tier of Oni players, cause that stuff seems like red rank levels of skill and knowledge.

Emanuele Vigo and flick and then he is Gucci

The public test build is designed for feedback, not people's enjoyment.

@@ethank6311 Well the biggest reason is to find bugs, but feedback is also important. But to jump straight to calling a killer overpowered is a bit hasty imo. Especially in this case because oni has some a lot going on under the hood so to speak in terms of how he works. He very well could end up being too strong but I just think it's a bit quick to call it so definitively.

Ethan King Yes it is very difficult to give unbiased feedback when there is no matchmaking at all....

Tell that to bhvr, didnt stop them from nerfing ghostface 2 weeks after release or nerfing Freddy a week after his release because survivors Bitch and Bitch instead of learn first

@@xLWxPhantom Ghostface is a high tier still lmaooooo. When people who play the game for a living say stuff that is actually believable BHVR listens to them. Killer mains are saying hes broken and has few counters so...... is that only survivors bitching? No.

@@xLWxPhantom they didnt even really nerf ghostface, they just made him more consistent :/

@@JustCallMeBandit they did though, they nerfed the detection range add ons and made the window size to reveal him bigger

@@JustCallMeBandit and increased the overall reveal distance a little bit

Console players are inferior though. Their needs shouldn't be taken into consideration. Why does someone even play on console?

Kenti csér because they don’t have access to a computer/ have friends on console/ like controllers.

Kenti csér your elitism is cringe. Everyone should be taken into consideration when balancing a game.

@@kenticser coz not everyone is rich to buy a pc or maybe ya have friends on console and that's a big factor

@@Ahmed___9 I understand that, but if someone is not rich, shouldn't he work on getting rich and THEN play video games?

Nacho Khan Newsflash: you’re not dumb. You’re just not as smart as other people. Lol jk. He is op tho

And no one will play him. He will be like old freddy. I just don't care anymore, devs always benefit survivors. I won't even expend bp on him after he goes live.

@@GabeHells99 this killer is the exact opposite of benefiting survivors. You can't really hide due to the blood orbs, he gets his power quickly with a hit, and has minimal to none punishment for his ability running into things. Plus, an insta down. There has to be some type of balance here, and i play red ranks both sides.

It's not a killer strength issue. It's an issue with how quickly gens, healing, totems, and doors can be done. The only buffs killers need is time and remove broken loops and good loops that s loop spawn 4 in a row. Like loop spawns are so damn dumb in this game. It's either 4 good jungle gyms next to each other or dead zones and unsafe pallets with minimal pallet spawns.

xIronwafflexx they’ll very likely not touch gen speed, and survivor nerfs are the equivalent of a slap on the wrist while killers get nerf sledge hammers. Which is why when a great killer like The Oni is released to match the enormous strength survivors had since forever, you can be damn sure killers will savor every second of it before survivors scream and cry enough for it to get nerfed, which is already on its way because that’s how things work around here

@@joselazo6840 don't play the game if it causes you that much grief lol

@@wearytravelerx1 if it's that bad for him I'd have to agree.

@@joselazo6840 playing against something broken isn't fun, and if people are not having fun they will not play. Less survivors means longer queues. Nerfing the speed at which the game plays out is far better than introducing busted killers and or perks. It's just not good for the overall health of the game.

Last thing, survivors should always be able to see the blood they're leaving behind and then if the UR addon is being used then a debuff notification could appear telling survivors that touching the blood orbs reveals their aura

Not to mention the fact that when he hits the survivor his power, unlike hillbilly's, continues active

No? It literally doesn't matter what map you play at all. You have no collision so you can zoom maps like lerys with ease.

@@OhTofu He meant the key bindings on your keboard. key maps=What you mapped your keys to do

Once they fix "key binds" this killer will be complete garbage.

@@OhTofu It's cool if you think this Killer is OP I guess but, he' basically on par with Hillbilly. Every time I play a Hillbilly, unless he or she is obviously new, Billy slaughters my entire team... QUICKLY. I'm starting to think Billy might need to be looked at as well. His speed is insane.

Slugging will always be the best strategy for most killers, as long as insane generator speed is not addressed.

I'd say not to straight up nerf him, this is I'd say too big of a nerf, go with something like (what I suggested) increase requirement for demon mode and make it last a shorter amount of time but increase his speed during it (maybe disable ability to see scratches in demon mode?)

So it seems like he has to play pretty alone in a round-lul

Seems like you wanna spam him ngl

Bc spirit was a gimmick a guess guess right you live another 20 secs maybey less guess wrong you on a hook

But this guy is strong too

He's new. Once the community figures out counterplay or if there isn't any, then they'll turn on him like a pack of rabid dogs. The Spirit is still kinda broken. There's less feedback for her (which is nice) but still almost none from her, making countering her a slot machine pull. The Oni is LOUD and gives a lot of info, the key is figuring out how to respond to that info or if there is an effective response to that info.

I can tell you that I certainly didn’t want spirit touched at all. We barely have any viable killers for high ranks in this game. I’ll see you guys when the ghostface/plague/Freddy nerfs roll around

I didn't want spirit to be nerfed

I knew it sounded familiar lmfao

but the potential of the killer if it's a good player is insanely higher than most other killers

@@fats2010 But it takes a level of game play time simply unobtainable by 99% of the player base is what's the limiting factor.

Wesley Brock with that logic nurse shouldn’t be nerfed. Or with that logic survivors should be able to loop killers forever if they’re good enough. I agree you should be rewarded for having a lot of knowledge and hours in this game but infinite power is too op and not healthy for the game

@@ProunceProudly No they shouldn't be "nerfed". They should have counters and down sides and choices. The Nurse now has these even for high skill players. Namely she has to make a choice since her blinks have charges The Oni should have something similar. I think his power should end when he is stunned. This synergizes with his personal perk Nemesis and gives options to players. Play pallets when he is enraged or use head-on (or fake) or even use flash lights if you're crazy good. Or make the Oni make a choice. For example his power is drained while demon dashing. So using it for crazy mobility around the map might not always be the best option.

Yeah, let's run one perk (no mither) to counter a single killer in the game. On console he is balanced, but on pc with the Q and E key steering combined with the mouse flick, he is completely broken. You thought dc's against spirit was bad? If this guy releases in the condition he is in now, whole games will end in less than a minute. Fine by me if you want to play lobby simulator. Enjoy levelling up the rift with matches ending in less than 5 minutes.

The survivor team (this is a team game not a 1v1) gets 16 perks between them. The killers gets 4. Cry me a fucking river. Also are we going to begrudge No Mither some extra utility? That perk needs all the help it can get. The survivor meta needs to be shook up. We see the same fucking 3 to 6 perks every god damn match unless people are meme'ing or literally don't have anything else. The red and purple ranks are fucking stagnant. His flick is too powerful but it's a function of the PC and the controls not the actual character. It can't be reasonably replicated on console. And did you ignore my other parts about how I think he should be tweaked to lose his power if stunned and dashing should consume power gauge? I think at least one of those should be implemented.