Is the Purity Good on any Survivor? | Risk of Rain 2

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rndThursday

rndThursday

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The Purity is one of the newest items that came out with the risk of rain 2 1.0 update. This item is considered the "counter" to the 57 leaf clover and gives you negative luck, which makes you less likely to proc on-hit items. Although this is a massive debuff, the Purity also gives you a flat 2 second CDR on all of your skills. So, is the Purity the worst item in the game? Or is the Purity an actual good item that can be situationally broken?
Well, that's what we are here to find out. Today, I go through every single survivor in the game and go in-depth on why they are either good with the Purity, or why they should never go near that item. Some characters COULD be good, but you'll have to see which ones make the cut in the video itself.
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Intro: 0:00-3:17
Acrid: 3:18-12:26
Commando: 12:27-17:30
Artificer: 17:31-20:59
Loader: 21:00-25:57
Rex: 25:58-27:55
MUL-T: 27:56-29:00
Huntress: 29:01-29:49
Mercenary: 29:50-31:22
Engineer: 31:23-33:49
Summary: 33:50-

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@velocivoid7974
@velocivoid7974 3 жыл бұрын
I find it very ironic that Acrid, a literal aspect of disease, synergizes well with an item that is literately called *purity*
@2illiest2eer
@2illiest2eer 2 жыл бұрын
They balance each other out
@Lortagreb
@Lortagreb 2 жыл бұрын
Its so dumb to get purity on acrid. Just get light flux
@niteninjas3091
@niteninjas3091 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lortagreb That comment is from a year ago, the game has changed a lot since then.
@theorganizationxiii9765
@theorganizationxiii9765 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but acrid still sucks so hard with purity since bleed is huuuge for finishing enemies with poison
@darienb1127
@darienb1127 7 ай бұрын
​@@theorganizationxiii9765His Special is pretry good for finishing off large groups stuck on no hp. Not to mention Gasoline and Wisp are great for that as well, as they are guaranteed on kill. Fireworks and Squid Turrets are also good for it. There are ways around not having bleed.
@Shamitako
@Shamitako 3 жыл бұрын
My greatest run of all time had three purity in it. It's a very niche item, but it can be nutty in the right situations
@codydrake9013
@codydrake9013 3 жыл бұрын
What character?
@Shamitako
@Shamitako 3 жыл бұрын
@@codydrake9013 Loader
@smoltoaster
@smoltoaster 3 жыл бұрын
Takosher I feel loader would have the best benefits from the purity for the sole reason that the Bands are guaranteed to proc every single time you punch. You could make a niche build with gesture/fuel cells/breach backpack thing(the equipment that gets rid of debuffs) to spam your band’s constantly. For some reason the breach backpack resets the bands cooldowns and it’s super powerful if you get enough fuel cells.
@honziksmisery58145
@honziksmisery58145 3 жыл бұрын
@@smoltoaster it resets bands?!? New build time
@smoltoaster
@smoltoaster 3 жыл бұрын
HonzikPlayCz Yeah Its pretty fun
@chibidingdong9774
@chibidingdong9774 3 жыл бұрын
"Ion Surge is a joke." *cries in aerial Artificer*
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
haha it isn't that bad but trying to stack Purities just for ion surge would be
@BigHugeWorm
@BigHugeWorm 3 жыл бұрын
@@rndThursday No, but having Ion Surge to use once in a while when going full monke mode with Nano bombs is way more effective than trying to get in close for flamethrower that doesn't even see most of the effect of the purity. Since Nanobomb has a huge radius, massive damage, and downward acceleration, it's most useful when spammed downwards, and there's no better way to achieve that than with AERIAL ARTIFICER, BABEEEEEE. People who play CD rotation artificer put too much risk in getting more movement items early on. Airborne Chunk artificer has a get-outta jail free card every 8 seconds, and has more ability to dodge by pulsing the Ion Jets, falling when about to be hit by a projectile, then reactivating the jets when you dodge the attack. Besides, Artificer with Purity can spam 6 firebolts, then fully charge and release a nano bomb, then go back to firebolts. It's a much safer and higher damaging rotation than the original one. The only thing you sacrifice is your proc chance, which isn't reliable on Artificer anyways. Grabbing Bands, Crowbars, On Kills, and guaranteed damages are priority, not tons of attack speed and backup mags.
@grismatics
@grismatics 3 жыл бұрын
i love ion surge tbh
@mooncat3344
@mooncat3344 3 жыл бұрын
Areal Artificer with 7 shaped glasses and 2 ceremonial daggers. The danger from the skies. XD
@Tsukasa-TheWizard
@Tsukasa-TheWizard 3 жыл бұрын
Even without the context of Purity, Ion Surge is just the BETTER ability. Flamethrower can do big damage in, what, the first 2 stages? In and middle or late game run on higher difficulty you want mobility and range. Its the same reason you choose Acrid spit over Acrid bite: You do NOT want to be close to enemies. But then again thats just my take. I still die to sky garbage if I'm not careful, so maybe I'm wrong.
@AuGrrr
@AuGrrr 3 жыл бұрын
Him: You don't get to choose what item you get Command bois: Yes but actually no
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
xD
@lassestewart578
@lassestewart578 3 жыл бұрын
@@Beta-qv9uf weakest combination
@lassestewart578
@lassestewart578 3 жыл бұрын
@@Beta-qv9uf yeah it's the lazy way to play the game
@gdaymaster8499
@gdaymaster8499 3 жыл бұрын
@@Beta-qv9uf I mean, I get why some people think that's fun, but also it can bring the game to a boring standpoint where you know what you'll get and do at a certain point. Randomness makes the game fun for me which is why I don't always do command unless I want to do a single op run for Lunar Grinds.
@ValGuard4801
@ValGuard4801 3 жыл бұрын
@@gdaymaster8499 command without the swarms and sac isn't easy on monsoon at least for me. Even sacrifice and command. The moment swarms is added in though it's a joke with every character
@TwentySeventhLetter
@TwentySeventhLetter 3 жыл бұрын
The run I discovered Purity was good on Mercenary, I found a Kjaro printer and decided "Fuck it, why not" and got 14 in exchange for all my green items. I found a H3AD-5T v2 and suddenly realized that dealing 3000% of 10,000% damage was enough to sit on God. Found a forge for both Kjaros and Runalds right before Mithrix and rounded my numbers off to 15 Kjaros and 5 Runalds, dealing about 5400% from the bands times the 10,000% from the headstomp attack. It took two stomps for each phase of the boss to disappear. The role that Purity played in all this? No cooldown on Rising Thunder meant that I could avoid all danger by soaring to the heavens, then descending only when it was time to spread my cheeks upon his mortal face. So yeah Purity's pretty good on Mercenary
@sleet1650
@sleet1650 3 жыл бұрын
“So yeah purity’s pretty good when your only source of damage come from burst damage” FTFY
@anonylemon9823
@anonylemon9823 3 жыл бұрын
Loader can sit on my face anytime :).
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
Whirlwind Mercenary with 1 Purity is also kinda silly, it permits flight and also can be used to be extremely difficult to track while moving on the ground
@ainumahtar
@ainumahtar 3 жыл бұрын
I imagine mithrix then took your items, literally looked at you and oneshot your face off? ^^
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
@@ainumahtar crucially, Mithrix's Visions-style darts can't proc Bands and he won't use Headset jumps so it's a viable anti-Mithrix strategy
@nikitachumachenko3412
@nikitachumachenko3412 3 жыл бұрын
'Ion surge is a joke' bruh you are just jealous of the artificer extraordinaries that throw basketballs at bosses from orbit and oneshot them
@I__A.M.
@I__A.M. 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the concept of purity, you are purifying yourself from items to bring out your character's uniqueness. You pair it up with items that give you more base damage you can still be playing your characters till end game instead of having a bunch of items that do damage for you. It's the solution to an endgame that can feel repetitive because of how hard proc items can carry someone in the game. For best combo pair purity with tonic to really feel the rush!
@CarmenLC
@CarmenLC 3 жыл бұрын
*gets 10 stacks of Tonic Infliction*
@I__A.M.
@I__A.M. 3 жыл бұрын
@@CarmenLC F, supposed your still going to have to find the fuel cells and gesture first :
@voltaris3008
@voltaris3008 3 жыл бұрын
With purity you will have a 36% chance to get an affliction each time. Good luck without your OSP 👋😁
@I__A.M.
@I__A.M. 3 жыл бұрын
I only recommend you do tonic if you can get the 3 fuel cells and gesture, I wouldn't use tonic even with a clover otherwise.
@WootmansayWOOT
@WootmansayWOOT 3 жыл бұрын
@@I__A.M. I'd still do tonic with clover since the chance of getting a debuff is 4%, but only in dire situations or on mithrix where you're likely to maybe get only 1 tonic affliction and wont affect you too much and the benefits outweigh it
@logan5018
@logan5018 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who mostly plays huntress, the alternate blink is actually really good in the mithrix fight due to the ability to make smaller adjustments in postion more often (especially on eclipse 4+ with increase enemy speed) and the purity giving it a 0.5 second cooldown just makes it even better
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
i can certainly see where it could be useful but it doesn't let you juggle yourself on Huntress
@Foeisudhxj
@Foeisudhxj 3 жыл бұрын
Her alternate blink is insane in every situation except going up.
@WootmansayWOOT
@WootmansayWOOT 3 жыл бұрын
I had a huntress run awhile ago with her alternate blink and Milky Chrysalis actually allows you to blink up and down, although it also means taking milky chrysalis. Undeniably though the mobility it allows you to have on Mythrix is really good since for a good 15 seconds or so you're free from getting hit and as long as you spam spacebar and blinks you'll have real good mobility.
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
Phase Blink is absolutely fricking bonkers with Purity or Hardlight Afterburner and makes you virtually untouchable with practice
@LadyTsunade777
@LadyTsunade777 3 жыл бұрын
The thing with Huntress alt blink is that while you can no longer go up, you also won't go down. This is great because it lets you continue aiming downward and still be able to blink straight horizontal if you're in the air, and you can get in the air pretty easy with her specials. Not to mention that any cooldown items (Alien Head, Hardlight Afterburner, Purity) make all this even easier, and you can totally juggle yourself with the alt blink to keep the same height and special to gain more height. Plus the myriad of mobility items (Goat Hoof, Sprint Drink, Hopoo Feather, Wax Quail, Head Stomper) also certainly help make up for the lack of verticality. And as the others here have said, her alt blink is invaluable against Mithrix, as well as many other enemies.
@Bacchus325
@Bacchus325 3 жыл бұрын
Purity Acrid is my new favorite build. Combined with Visions of Heresy and the backup mag you can fire both at the same time rapid fire and your damage output is ridiculously high.
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
very good with visions!
@paninjin
@paninjin 3 жыл бұрын
Backup magazine is exceptionally good on loader for this simple reason: The loader combo to achieve max damage with her punch is usually M2 onto enemy, jump for Wax Quail if available, while charging Punch, release. This will give you insane speed and ensure you hit the max damage cap. However, during the teleporter, it yeets you across half the map. Always staying on one STORED grapple to recover messed up punches or to counter momentum to not have to leave the teleporter is very useful. Grapple isnt used constantly, as one good grapple with an angled punch can cover insane areas. Thus, the grapple doesn't need to ge up 24/7 and is more of an added mobility safety net. That aside, really enjoyed the video, keep it up!
@VivienneNGS
@VivienneNGS 3 жыл бұрын
I kind of disagree with the artificer verdict, as I've played purity artificer many times and it plays much better than you made it out like it would. In reality you won't get to use the whole duration of your flamethrower every time because you need to move and you can't sprint during flamethrower unless you want to cancel it. Purity helps mitigate some of that downtime you might have had if you needed to cancel flamethrower quickly to keep yourself alive. The ice wall also greatly benefits from the reduced cooldown, and you won't always full charge the spear/bomb for the same reason you won't always commit to flamethrower. A lot of times I'll just spam my spears to proc kjaro's/runald's and reposition while the bands do their thing instead of committing to full charge. Look, is Alien head a better item for her? Yeah, maybe. But you can't rely on getting an alien head every run. You have a much better chance at seeing purity. Imo saying purity is F tier on her is way too harsh. This is not a corpsebloom tier item we're talking about here.
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
Purity Artificer is dummy strong, either for a nanobomb build OR a bleed-stacking flamethrower build Even before you get some backup mags, Purity + a couple attack speed boosts has such a massive quality of life change to your nanobomb's ability to just carpetbomb the map, cutting the cycle time of a nanobomb by half. Once you get Purity and a couple Backup Mags charging the nanobombs becomes pointless unless you need to delete some Elites With a flamethrower build like you said, the more flamer uptime the better, and having a 0.5 cooldown on your bolts in between flamethrowers helps you keep your stacks building Also, Artificer's ice wall is a super awkward skill and one of the easiest skills to do without, which makes Artificer excellent with Strides of Heresy, especially because Shadowfade gives vertical mobility without needing Ion Surge. Strides with Purity ensures you'll pretty much always have Shadowfade on tap for any emergency situation or just to easily obtain hard-to-reach locations on a low-mobility character
@mitchellnewcomb4105
@mitchellnewcomb4105 3 жыл бұрын
For certain characters, purity + a clover may be better than an alien head. Specifically, if you have a cooldown above 8, the first alien head would be better than the first purity for that skill. All skills under 8seconds are better with 1 purity + clover rather than 1 alien head
@CynralKynathel
@CynralKynathel 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with this^ Having Purity means you can always throw out at least 2 M1's in between each skill. You basically have an infinite spell rotation, and since Artificer prefers the new double bands over on-hit items, the -1 luck is not nearly as bad compared to other survivors. I don't think its a must-have, but the downtime mitigation is so strong in putting out consistent damage.
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
@@CynralKynathel yes. Since Artificer's cooldowns are so low, it does much more effective cooldown than Alien Head, Hardlight, etc.
@WootmansayWOOT
@WootmansayWOOT 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who plays loader way too much for my own good, having backup mags on loaders is so useful when you wanna swing around the map instantly cause you aren't always gonna use your secondary when it's off cooldown and your utility helps since you can just swing and then punch at the apex across the entire map and get to the teleporter instantly. I'd say 1-2 mags is really all you need on loader and honestly using the secondary to deal with enemies isn't great, you have your special ability to deal with the wisps and your utility for anything larger. Using your utility helps a ton so you can swing, punch, and then swing so you can stay airborne as much as possible. On a sidenote engineer also has an extremely weird quirk with his thermal harpoons, is if you shake your aim left and right of the enemy while painting targets, it will paint the same enemy way faster since you're "unpanting" and "repainting" the same enemy as you shake your aim, allowing you to get 4 or more rockets off way faster but can be unreliable cause you can target other enemies unintentionally.
@wireknight
@wireknight 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the loader stuff you just sais
@shakuyaku359
@shakuyaku359 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the loader stuff you just said
@wireknight
@wireknight 3 жыл бұрын
@@shakuyaku359 I agree with you agreeing about the loader stuff he just said
@WootmansayWOOT
@WootmansayWOOT 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the loader stuff I just said
@AndrewChumKaser
@AndrewChumKaser 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the said stuff you just loaded
@jasonator53
@jasonator53 3 жыл бұрын
Something a lot of people overlook about the Backup Magazine on characters with a charged m2: Having multiple charges is good, not because you can spam them, but because you can charge them while you don't need them. For example, on Artificer, with no CDR and 3 backup mags, you can run around the map and stack up 4 Nano-Bombs for a boss fight or other situation, and the cooldown is the same once you run out of charges, you get a slight reward for the time you aren't in combat or need to spam a skill. It's still pretty underwhelming on survivors with charged secondaries, but not enough to discount them entirely
@stereoplexus
@stereoplexus 8 ай бұрын
Yeah... doesn't seem like this guy is capable of understanding that you can save multiple charges at the same time.
@ethansitton565
@ethansitton565 3 жыл бұрын
I learned that when it comes to purity, there's actually a few tricks to learn, making anything "guaranteed" to happen is top priority, not proc chains, so capping bleed and crit is more important than an ATG or Ukulele, and since the band re-work loader with purity has just become too much fun for me and I haven't played the other survivors help.
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
lol the bands on loader is busted
@ethansitton565
@ethansitton565 3 жыл бұрын
@@rndThursday Ngl, today I did a command Monsoon run and came super close to one-shotting Mithrix by just crowbars and the ice band, it's actually busted.
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
Since the Band rework try Blast Shower+Soulbound Catalyst+Gesture+Fuel Cell+Bands+Crowbars on MUL-T with the Rebar Puncher
@williamkelley3067
@williamkelley3067 3 жыл бұрын
Great summary of Purity! I would like to cover some overlooked aspects of the item and some minor mistakes in the video (these might be misunderstandings on my part, if so, I apologize). To start, the single best item for ranged Acrid is the Visions of Heresy. This item combos incredibly well with purity, and you can hold down both primary and secondary fire simultaneously for very high ranged damage output. In addition, Blight is a far better passive to use with Purity, given how often you are applying the debuff. Finally, there is something a bit off about your backup mag math at 5:58. When you use your secondary fire multiple times, the charges come back one at a time, the cooldowns of each are not tracked separately. This means that no matter how many backup mags you have, if you have at least one attack speed buff, you will eventually run out of charges of the ability. To answer your question at 9:21, yes, the regen stacks. Your Commando section is solid, although it is sad that so many Purities are necessary to unlock the full potential of low-cooldown Commando. I have disagree with your opinion on Artificer. While I totally understand that dealing constant damage not hard with proper ability rotation, the strength of purity here is that you don't have stay on that damage cycle, you can pick the best ability for the situation, without worrying about the cooldown. Of course, this is just an opinion. In addition, Purity is strong with the Ion Surge ability, because without the Flamethrower, your damage rotation has several gaps. These can be filled in with a purity, making up for much of the missing DPS. The reason backup mag is good on Loader is because it allows you to make multiple swings in a row, not because it increases your damage output (actually, it does, but only because it allows you move faster when landing your Charged or Thunder Gauntlet). With just 1-2 backup mags, your utility, and some skill, you can cross most maps in just a few seconds. Using purity to spam Bramble Volley is a new one to me, I will try that out soon! As you stated, MUL-T has next to no synergy with Purity. While you are right that Huntress does not work great with Purity, Phase Blink is definitely a superior utility, at least for combat. If you only want your Blink for reaching the hard-to-find newt altars, then go for it, but Phase Blink covers more distance per second (its faster), is more versatile (its omnidirectional), and can save you from hard hitting abilities far more frequently (you die less). Merc section is good, the fact that his secondary does not cancel his primary at very low cooldowns is a very strange interaction, but very useful nonetheless. Your Engi section is also good, not much else to say. Again, this is a very good video, I am just trying to fill in the gaps. Please let me know if I have misunderstood anything!
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
pretty solid +1
@thisismyfirstusernameimade3007
@thisismyfirstusernameimade3007 3 жыл бұрын
Blight isn't as good as you think since it doesn't infinitely stack like bleed daggers
@Darkphantom9090
@Darkphantom9090 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with this take the most
@ryanhartley9399
@ryanhartley9399 3 жыл бұрын
Triple blink is absolutely not inferior to default blink, it’s more useful in infinitely more situations
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking more in terms of juggling Huntress where you stay in the air as long as possible by chaining all of your abilities. Also, the default blink helps getting to areas above you quicker
@JackboMack
@JackboMack 3 жыл бұрын
rndThursday that vertical movement is only valuable early on. A few stages in and a handful of movement items later... you want the triple blink.
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
@@rndThursday Yeah, what Jackbo and Ryan said; Blink is purely a convenience tool. Phase Blink is actually the wildly superior ability, mainly BECAUSE of the incredible interaction with cooldown reduction and even base, the greater overall lateral movement capability.
@KaliTakumi
@KaliTakumi 3 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie I hate triple blink
@JackboMack
@JackboMack 3 жыл бұрын
Kali Takumi to each their own.
@rainyskyzz_
@rainyskyzz_ 3 жыл бұрын
Om loader, you shouldn’t hold down your grapple all the time Loader is a burst and to have the best possible movement, you need to chain them, so the backup mag is VERY important
@apricots-and-tater-tots
@apricots-and-tater-tots 3 жыл бұрын
yes, loader's grapple doesn't start recharging until you're done using it. that is *exactly* why it's great to have at least one backup mag. the point of using backup mags on loader isn't to constantly fly around the map, but to chain grapples together so you become the most mobile character in the game, bar none.
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
my point in the other video was that loader < (merc, arti, huntress) in terms of who gets the backup mag. the way people made it sound i expected loader to be the literal best survivor in the game because of backup mag xd
@AshSux
@AshSux 3 жыл бұрын
Surprised when going over acrid you didn't talk about his R action being more spammable as well, as it is fairly important in his kit and stacking purity or additional cdr items gives him strong wave clear without the need for proc chains.
@AndrewChumKaser
@AndrewChumKaser 3 жыл бұрын
Backup mags are good for the same reason afterburner is top teir on her: Extra secondary uses means you're not punished for botching your swings as much and you can use it in quick succession. It doesn't matter that the cooldowns don't start until you let go, having extra uses means you can course correct with your hook very easily. It's not necessary to be extremely mobile with her, but it's nothing but a boon as it lets you be much more liberal with your swinging and hooks, overall increasing your mobility. But hey, you don't like playing loader so I guess that explains why you didn't think of that.
@11thDC
@11thDC 3 жыл бұрын
It is important to take into account that while you are creating "ideal" loadouts, you are neglecting to account for other item possibilities. there are other healing, defensive, and offensive items that would also affect these builds. Acrid for example, leeching seeds, repulsion plates, tougher times. (you did mention rejuvenation rack) all these items would affect how well melee acrid works. Also, you completely neglected to account for Merc's invuln frames. running 3 purity on Merc allows you to have invincibility for all but one frame between evicerates. combine that with damage reduction, tougher times. and survivability items. Merc becomes invincible regardless of damage output. you could have no damage boosting items and you still can't die. combining it with fuel cells and "The Backup" equipment. I was able to even cheese Mythrix. he could never touch me, and when he stole my items, I just summoned a dozen plus backup drones before my fuel cells were stolen. which in turn returned all my items, and I proceeded to be invincible against him again.
@scottallen2966
@scottallen2966 3 жыл бұрын
With acrid ravenous, I think you were kinda dead braining it. You didnt run away from the dunestrider drain attack. If you had have done that you would have taken less damage, even if you just disconnected yourself and ran back in while it was drinking from other enemies
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
i play alpha acrid
@orb3tnl
@orb3tnl 3 жыл бұрын
16:17 did any one else notice that lemurian yeeting back his grenade?
@jimthunderpants1953
@jimthunderpants1953 3 жыл бұрын
Holy cow. I did not know that was possible.
@vaelophisnyx9873
@vaelophisnyx9873 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimthunderpants1953 it's not. the grenade bounces twice before exploding, it just bounced off the lemurian
@blahybris608
@blahybris608 3 жыл бұрын
Have you considered blight with acrid? Since you have such a low cooldown you could actually stack it decently high for once, which might make it work
@chrisdewitt8975
@chrisdewitt8975 3 жыл бұрын
Wondering the same thing
@ShadowHunter120
@ShadowHunter120 3 жыл бұрын
Tried it, nukes everything early game
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
yes! it is good
@chill8362
@chill8362 3 жыл бұрын
Nah it's bs. Hardly 15 stacks of blight with 5 syringes , 1 purity, and 3 mags... Weak
@chrisdewitt8975
@chrisdewitt8975 3 жыл бұрын
@@chill8362 900% dps doesn't sound that weak
@airshippigeon5680
@airshippigeon5680 3 жыл бұрын
The back-up mag thing on loader is exactly why it is so important, maybe not with purity but it is still important normally.
@Yuuno117
@Yuuno117 3 жыл бұрын
The Lock-On of the engineer harpoons scales with attackspeed...
@superjj1850
@superjj1850 3 жыл бұрын
29:32 “secondary skill is inferior to the blink” LUL found the non-huntress player
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, anyone with any Huntress experience between Blink and Phase Blink knows full well that there's no comparison between the two
@philiphunt-bull5817
@philiphunt-bull5817 3 жыл бұрын
I have experience, I just absolutely hate the feel of triple blink, it feels like shit.
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
@@philiphunt-bull5817 Everyone has their own preferences I guess! It's not really a "triple blink" (for me) as much as an "I can blink laterally or backwards to dodge attacks any time I want because low cooldown" And if you get 1 Purity or Hardlight it's just infinite mobility
@hexerin
@hexerin 3 жыл бұрын
@@incognito253 If you get Hardlight, normal Blink has no cooldown either. It then becomes strictly superior because it can allow you vertical mobility in addition to the horizontal, which is _vastly_ more useful in just about any situation you can be in. Phase Blink is only an arguably good choice if you intend to go directly to Mithrix or obliterate on first loop (and even then, I'd still take Blink because the downtime doesn't matter against enemies in zero loop or first loop).
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
@@hexerin I mean blink has over a 5 second cooldown with a Hardlight, it just has 3 charges now. If you ever multi blink with it your tank is empty and it still doesn't allow sideways or backwards moves in exchange for allowing verticality that becomes less needed as other items flow in. Phase Blink goes down to a 1.3s cooldown and 5 charges. With only 1 Purity your cd is 0.5, vs. 5 seconds for Blink - literally 10 times faster cooldown. I can see why people like Blink but it doesn't really compare for high-danger play especially when your R already grants a big vertical leap.
@matt4193
@matt4193 3 жыл бұрын
Artificer M1 does start cooling down after the first shot. With one Purity you can fire a volley of 6 or 7 shots if you just hold down the button. It can burn and bleed if you stack seven Tri-tip Daggers so I'd say just a single stack of Purity helps her kit a lot.
@mrnether9290
@mrnether9290 3 жыл бұрын
Acrid m1 and bite actually has a weird interraction where if you cancel your m1 with m2 it will still land the hit from your m1, even though the m1 didnt get far enough in its animation where it normally lands the hit, so you should be holding m1 and m2 to maximize damage. You were doing this in the clip against the dunestrider but the commentary said otherwise so :^)
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
damn lmao. well this is good to know (ravenous still kinda poop tho)
@LadyTsunade777
@LadyTsunade777 3 жыл бұрын
The explanation is that Acrid has an unusual interaction with his M1 where if it gets cancelled at a certain point in its animation by anything else (usually by spamming the sprint key), it still does the damage without completing the animation, so you can effectively have a much higher attack speed than you should. Thing is, Hopoo said they didn't really like how that worked and that they're likely to fix/remove that functionality, so probably best to not get used to doing it.
@Denizu
@Denizu 3 жыл бұрын
The format coupled with your clean voice makes this a pretty damn good watch. Also helps that it is a pretty cool topic. Great work!
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it!
@danielkniffin5438
@danielkniffin5438 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry I haven't been watching many of your vids but I'm happy to see your channel is doing great
@noble6677
@noble6677 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, but I feel you left out two builds that are very important to discuss. Infinite ShadowFade with an equipment, and infinite eviscerate. Both allow you to be fully invincible while still doing damage.
@Coplanersirtax9
@Coplanersirtax9 9 ай бұрын
I'm surprised he didn't talk about how you can have your r on a 1 second cooldown for merc making you basically unkillable
@mefcalols4446
@mefcalols4446 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't this make the blight M2 on Acrid good since it can stack?
@thorjelly
@thorjelly 3 жыл бұрын
Was playing acrid with purity the other day, is pretty good can confirm. Acrid isn't gonna proc a lot of stuff in the first place so you might as well.
@narwhalz1112
@narwhalz1112 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, honestly I'm a loader type a guy, and back up mags are alright. They're mainly good just because you can do multiple grapples in a row which allows you to just send yourself across the mad with ease (Even though she can do that either way).
@lesvernornvienas8232
@lesvernornvienas8232 3 жыл бұрын
I love loader and i always get as many back up mags for them as possible But lets face it its not cause ut mskes them a more usable character It’s just fun to swing around like spider man for a bit
@gayMath
@gayMath 2 жыл бұрын
just found your channel a while ago and saw this video get recommended. for context I play ions artificer, melee poison acrid with the stun leap, and loader (and also railgunner, but it's not a good take on railgunner at all). to say the least time to sit upsetly by and watch one of my favourite items dragged through some mud
@gayMath
@gayMath 2 жыл бұрын
holy shit in this video you suck at melee acrid, you have 2 charges of your shift, which thanks to purity you'll get both back 4 seconds faster. when you're getting chunked, don't be afraid to just start jumping. out of combat, out of a boss attack, anywhere you want. even loader, if and when a boss is too big and strong, has to stop m1 and dodge sometimes, you just don't really notice it because loader is a creatively balanced character who doesn't have to think about stuff like that until fighting mithrix with no items or some bullshit.
@TarlukLegion
@TarlukLegion 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's worth noting that Visions of Heresy actually also gets affected by Purity, cutting its reload time down from 2 seconds to just 0.5 seconds. So for survivors that want to go for Purity (Acrid, Artificer, Loader, or even Engineer if you're running mobile turrets) then one Visions can actually be a very worthwhile pickup since you can fire out nonstop shards.
@smastian9576
@smastian9576 2 жыл бұрын
Did you do one for Bandit, Railgunner, and Voidboi yet?
@deadstroyer952
@deadstroyer952 3 жыл бұрын
i cannot believe you brushed off slicing winds like that, even WITHOUT purity it's amazing and for me is way better than eviscerate. but with it's skill-spamming style of play, slicing winds with purity would be wayyyy better than eviscerate as you will be able to rely more on your buffed m2 and shift than eviscerate will allow, and you'll still get the benefit of being able to use it more often (and since slicing winds itself lowers your shift cooldown and it's own cooldown... yea). but also, if you were to get min cooldown on slicing winds, you would be able to spam it permanently, maybe not as good as perma eviscerate since you don't get invincibility but still basically would win you the run.
@Crazykidthree33
@Crazykidthree33 3 жыл бұрын
I feel the same way. You don't even need Eviscerate's I frames anyway with Blinding Assault having them too. On top of that Eviscerate is single target damage while Slicing Winds is a large AOE. Thus, Slicing Winds is also better for crowd control.
@nicholasfoster2564
@nicholasfoster2564 3 жыл бұрын
I'd just like to say that I like Ion Surge on Artificer because I'm a coward: being close enough for Flamethrower is scary and Ion Surge is a really nice "I need to leave immediately" button.
@ZombieOfun
@ZombieOfun 3 жыл бұрын
Usually if I find a purity and visions of heresy on an acrid run I grab them both. Visions on almost no cooldown compliments his other abilities very well, especially with the fast spit on top
@chronos2893
@chronos2893 2 жыл бұрын
Nice vídeo. What about an update now that the DLC gave us the CD reducing pauldron? (I forgot the name of it, the white one).
@shotyew1435
@shotyew1435 2 жыл бұрын
5 purities, full crit chance, runalds and kjaros, and a crap ton of focus crystals on mercenaries literally makes him invincible with his eviscerate ability having a 0.5 second cool down. For those who don’t know, what eviscerate does is make you invincible for about a second while you deal damage to everyone around you. However, since the cooldown is up by the time you finish your attack, you can literally just spam your eviscerate ability and be invincible while also dealing some pretty good damage because of the focus crystals which gives extra damage to nearby enemies. Eviscerate is a melee ability. Oh it also allows you to fly as eviscerate basically teleports you a few meters in front of your cursor wherever you are looking meaning you can just fly up to mithrix without needing to use the jump pads.
@mroofity6594
@mroofity6594 3 жыл бұрын
You mentioning the thunder gauntlet loader run just reminded me I actually had that kinda happen when playing with a friend. No artifacts Mithrix run, somehow got 4 purities in loop one, and just flew
@FlawedbyDesign777
@FlawedbyDesign777 3 жыл бұрын
Purity and Headstomper with Ion Surge scales better on Artificer than Flamethrower and has higher base dps. A must-find.
@starbard2238
@starbard2238 3 жыл бұрын
Back-Up mags are good on loader because you get to be Spider-Man for a bit at the start of every stage
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
Acrid: Yes due to M2 & Utility Artificer: Yes for obvious reasons but to elaborate - it makes a Death Mark'ing on-hit bleedstacker spec hilariously easy Captain: Very Garbage Commando: Ish, for obvious Phase Round/Blast build Engineer: Works if you're taking Visions Huntress: Buck wild with Phase Blink but otherwise nah Loader: Purity x2 + Afterburner with the Thunder Gauntlet is insane, that's about it Mercenary: Yes due to extreme tightening of chains and infinite M2 movement MUL-T: No Wrecks: I guess if you do a Bramble Volley build but why?
@crabking3525
@crabking3525 2 жыл бұрын
25:28 *desperately tries to land on focus crystal* *realizes command is enabled*
@smoltoaster
@smoltoaster 3 жыл бұрын
The reason backup mag is so useful on loader is that you can use multiple grapples back to back to move around to specific areas very quickly. You never really need grapples off cooldown at all times but it is great to have a few backup mags to use multiple grapples in short bursts. It also helps a lot for giving you forgiveness when messing up a grapple.
@EnglishAaron
@EnglishAaron 3 жыл бұрын
You can actually stack blight with purity right or is blight chance too? If it is guaranteed then you can stack blight finally
@Gcrab71989
@Gcrab71989 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite build right now is a purity artificer built around death mark. Seeing a hammer in the bazaar has turned into Christmas the last few days. Probably don't actually need purity but it gives it a good rhythm of fire 4 m1 charge m2 repeat.
@axolot12345
@axolot12345 3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried vision of heresy with purity on acrid? It is one of the most fun build to have. You can hold both m1 and m2 at the same time to fire both attacks.
@azurep1478
@azurep1478 3 жыл бұрын
not sure you if you mentioned it but does purity effect tougher times, or does it behave like clover does?
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
purity doesn't effect tougher times at all just like clover
@adrianopairetti3417
@adrianopairetti3417 2 жыл бұрын
backup is really good on loader because you can use the grapple many times in a row, keeping the momentum in between them, and when you finish doing what you wanted to do at the location, all the backup M2s have already charged again
@vincentmartin9776
@vincentmartin9776 2 жыл бұрын
for loader backup is good because there are instances where two grapples would be way better than one in traveling, regardless of cooldown having an extra just incase is nice
@panzerfich
@panzerfich 2 жыл бұрын
Purity and Shaped Glass are usually my main go-tos on mercenary just because you can be almost invincible when your special and utility both dont have cooldowns, which helps with having like 4 to 10 (depending on the run) shaped glass.
@hekirb3382
@hekirb3382 2 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing bandit is one of the survivors that synergize well with purity, the only monsoon run I've cleared with bandit (where I went for mithrix) was one where I had picked desperado and 2 purities, who needs procs when you can just spam desperado like it's your main attack?
@Piiavc
@Piiavc 3 жыл бұрын
for loader, when the boss is dead in one shot, you only need the two backup mag charges. one to help you hit fast, one to stop your momentum after you've punched.
@brokenvesselenthusiast6833
@brokenvesselenthusiast6833 2 жыл бұрын
But would the Engi be good with the new ICB and Purity? I play on Xbox so if someone could test this I’m kinda curious
@boletarianbread7349
@boletarianbread7349 2 жыл бұрын
It was amazing in my eclipse run on engineer. I replaced my grenades with visions of heresy which has amazing synergy since it's reduced to the global cooldown. Harpoons are also reduced to global cooldown. I was able to focus on crit and bleed for damage since they stack linearly and can reach 100%. It was my best eclipse run yet.
@ilyk8e
@ilyk8e Жыл бұрын
backup mags work well on loader because you are allowed more freedom of movement to be able to send yourself flying then grapple to the floor after, and also frees up more opportunities to use it offensively as a stun using her alt m2
@hunted4blood
@hunted4blood 3 жыл бұрын
The point of stacking backup mags on loader is so that you can chain multiple grapple swings together. This way you can swing over to a location, fight for 10-15 seconds, then swing over somewhere else.
@JackboMack
@JackboMack 3 жыл бұрын
The reason backup mag is good for loader is because it loads (x) extra swings in the hopper. Once you get to where you want to go, open some chests and do your attack, you’ll have a few more swings loaded up, as opposed to just one and done. But having multiple stacks is nice to George of the jungle around the map.
@ValGuard4801
@ValGuard4801 3 жыл бұрын
Loader grapple is literally a damage multiplier for her punch, a map crossing tool combined with punch, an evasion tool, an escape option, and the literal best movement ability in the game when combined with punch. Adding backup mags to it is the key because then you basically become a one punch spider woman.
@mursamunelegend
@mursamunelegend 4 ай бұрын
I had a friend with Captain using Diablo strike, his tactic was getting a few items, Regenerating Scrap, Crowbar, Stun grenade, Mocha, Hardlight Afterburner, and Purity, plus and minus a few other items, and he was dropping diablo strikes after a while like he was doing a terrestrial cleansing. That's truly scary power.
@clreyawesome3527
@clreyawesome3527 2 жыл бұрын
This may be a little too late, but I believe that backup mags do help out loader, but moreso in terms of burst swinging. Being able to grapple 3 times in quick succession after a period of not flying around could help you position better and get your slam or punch off. I never had good luck without atleast one backup mag because the surface I ended up latching to, unfortunately, had a slight overhang and caused me to hit a lemurian instead of a boss.
@xxghost_preyxx
@xxghost_preyxx 3 жыл бұрын
FYI for Engi thermal harpoons: if you shake your mouse back in forth when locking onto a target it will lock on faster as there is a bit of cooldown for the relock of the same target, so if you move the cursor off the target & back on it really fast then each lock will be the fast insta lock instead of waiting for the relock.
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
so if u reeeeeeee all over the screen faster lock on i gotcha
@xxghost_preyxx
@xxghost_preyxx 3 жыл бұрын
@@rndThursday Exactly! XD
@petryksachko4102
@petryksachko4102 Жыл бұрын
About loader You are usually swinging => fighting(takes time) => swinging(you have at least one mag ready) and even then, you usually use only two to three grapples(if you're out use her shift) when swinging
@DarkNugget
@DarkNugget 2 жыл бұрын
Loader main here - with a bunch of backup magazines you can spend a lot of time in midair. Depending on the arch of the swings, your 1st magazine can recharge before using your third, and so on. Loader's in-air momentum is waaaaaay better than her on ground momentum running, and all those abilities that require you to stop running to use can be used in midair without losing that momentum. Loader is kind of like a trebuchet - you look for a big target in the distance, get some height, swing yourself off of the environment, and go in full speed for one massive hit. You can even then bounce off the enemy (depending on your setup) and then grapplehook on top of them, wailing on them, building shield, while your backup magazines recharge for an escape. In my view, Loader is by far the best character in the game, and the backup magazine is absolutely essential to playing the Loader properly. If you're on the ground for most of your time with her then you aren't really understanding the potential of the character.
@jamescordinel6639
@jamescordinel6639 3 жыл бұрын
For someone who’s most played character is loader, I only ever consider getting a backup mag is when I have hardlight afterburner, so that I can launch using multiple m2 with multiple shift abilities
@dislikebutton9571
@dislikebutton9571 3 жыл бұрын
backup mag is good for loader because you can chain grapples like spiderman, letting you build up momentum as you fly through the air. requires some skill but once you figure it out its pretty great
@tqkf8878
@tqkf8878 2 жыл бұрын
The way that I’m currently beating eclipse on bandit is using purity (1-2 purities) for a really low desperado and invis cool down + shaped glass for that double damage, and then reaching mithrix with 30+ desperado stacks and having a 10k+ damage ability on a 1-2 second cool-down
@Cyfearal
@Cyfearal 3 жыл бұрын
Purity+Afterburner+band changes makes it incredibly nice on loader punch when it hits the cap of 0.5sec. Also if you reach 100% chance to activate it will still always proc because a negative outcome of 100% is still 100% this is useful for things like tri-tip dagger and crit glasses because once you reach the cap it will always proc even with the purity
@icarlyseason2615
@icarlyseason2615 3 жыл бұрын
Loader Acrid and Artificer Are amazing with purity
@VladTheLad465
@VladTheLad465 2 жыл бұрын
Why don't use the raincoat when doing a blast shower build?
@SilverCat75
@SilverCat75 3 жыл бұрын
A great video on purity! But given artifacts were put into the game I only do artifact runs 😅
@mineman2142
@mineman2142 3 жыл бұрын
if artificer had cooldown counting while charging it would be pretty nice ngl
@triceratopstree
@triceratopstree 3 жыл бұрын
does purity reduce kjaro and runald band cooldown?
@lucaguida4286
@lucaguida4286 2 жыл бұрын
With the void fuel cell on mercenary and one purity you can spam your R or special which makes you invincible
@CherryBlossom-rs7lm
@CherryBlossom-rs7lm 3 жыл бұрын
With regards to backup mag on Loader, It's so you can swing multiple times without needing to hit the ground, and can change your directiion mid air. That way, you can use one grapple to engage and deal your charged burst, then the second grapple to get out of dodge. THen you wait for both to charge and hop straight back in. It doesn't matter that they don't charge while you're swinging, it lets you use it twice in a row which is insane.
@JamalGleeson
@JamalGleeson 3 жыл бұрын
On Engineer, I did two purity and 1-2 alien head, spicy kill zone setups. This also give you that 1-2 seconds thermal harpoons take to lock on.
@JamalGleeson
@JamalGleeson 3 жыл бұрын
I steadily built up 10x crit glasses and of course got Hardlight Afterburner for MOAR HARPOONS!!!
@owa1985
@owa1985 3 жыл бұрын
I changed my sprint to G on the one time I used her to clear monsoon. After that I never rebound it to ctrl even though I rarely played her again. The change to G for sprint made me actually feel the ONE PUNCHHHH vibe every time I charge shift rather than the beginnings of repetitive stress syndrome.
@EnglishAaron
@EnglishAaron 3 жыл бұрын
Also visions on artificer with purity does give more hits to work with especially with lower cooldowns with purity
@ciaranpatrick6859
@ciaranpatrick6859 Жыл бұрын
Considering this was like 2 years ago you may know by now that you can wiggle the mouse when aiming thermal harpoons to make it much faster to lock on
@DarlexGardenWarden
@DarlexGardenWarden 2 жыл бұрын
Bandit is very open with purity if you have 3 his secondary becomes semi-automatic
@DarlexGardenWarden
@DarlexGardenWarden 2 жыл бұрын
I meant OP
@Raycuden
@Raycuden 3 жыл бұрын
If anyone didn’t know, Eviscerate starts cooling down while you are still hitting enemies. If you use some combo of purity and alien head to get it to .5s cd, you become invulnerable as long as it always hits an enemy
@alfresco1552
@alfresco1552 3 жыл бұрын
The ravenous bite one was dumb. I'm not defending it and I've never used it but most people would know not to go headfirst into a dunestrider and an imp overlord
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
well, the point is that melee Acrid sucks because you can't stay in melee range. So, I was reducing the CD on your regen with a Purity to make it so you can regen much quicker and make it somewhat viable. If you can't be in melee range then what is the point of running melee Acrid when you can do ranged Acrid?
@alfresco1552
@alfresco1552 3 жыл бұрын
@@rndThursday fair enough I guess I was just thinking about a real situation and you were testing how much healing it could do
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
@@rndThursday What makes it viable is N'kuhana but this is mostly academic Command-centric talk, unless you get lucky. With N'kuhana and a .5 cooldown on Ravenous Bite along with a .5 heal from Ravenous Bite, plus preferably a Supermassive Leech and at least 1 Rack, you can absolutely all-in nearly anything in the game. The damage is respectable because you can with minimal practice cancel your M1 into M2 while your first M1 still hits between every M2 bite. I really prefer Barf Acrid for Purity though, because Acrid's barf is an Agile ability; you can sprint while spamming it, so it synergizes crazy great with Rose Bucklers and Little Disciple, which is a frigging amazing build because it's the only way to reliably get constant high damage %reduction other than stacking a Gesture and like TEN fuel cells with an Elephant. Managing to turn up even 3 Rose Bucklers effectively doubles your HP while sprinting. ...also because Acrid's viability against stage 4 Mithrix is very bad with Ravenous Bite now
@killzone1490
@killzone1490 3 жыл бұрын
Why not stack Infusion? More hp means more healing per second and since you're really not worried about dodging, all you need to do is survive for the razorwire right?
@incognito253
@incognito253 3 жыл бұрын
@@killzone1490 Most judgment of viability of whatever feature is done without Command in mind, tbf, because Command kinda kills the challenge of the game. So generally you don't get to "stack" Infusion unless very lucky
@maridaka7603
@maridaka7603 2 жыл бұрын
Funny thing with Engineer's Harpoons is if you just wiggle your mouse back and forth, the harpoons lock on much faster for some weird reason. Could not tell you why but it works.
@redtsun67
@redtsun67 Жыл бұрын
Purity is even better on Acrid after survivors of the void, IMO, because Lysate cells allow you to spam your Epidemic way more often. With Blight, Purity, and just a couple Lysate cells you can essentially just spam R on the ground and clear everything. Bosses melt extremely quickly, too, because you can stack an absurd amount of Blight on them in a very short amount of time. I accidentally ended up building this the other day and it was quite fun.
@mythrillmeyhem8998
@mythrillmeyhem8998 3 жыл бұрын
Bit of an unrelated topic but what do you think would be a good buff/change for artificer
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
Making ion surge the utility alternative and either buffing flamethrower or making a new special
@sleepyppl4286
@sleepyppl4286 2 жыл бұрын
a single purity on artificer is really good for players who don’t know her ability use order, and even better for those that do because it will increase how much she can use her primary which will increase her already high damage output
@tomek3470
@tomek3470 3 жыл бұрын
28:29 did you check this out with some increase attack spped?
@rndThursday
@rndThursday 3 жыл бұрын
ya, it just dont work
@Dead_Weight21
@Dead_Weight21 2 жыл бұрын
also something to note for mercenary is that if you have enough purity, your just invincible because you can spam the R
@Toonfish_
@Toonfish_ 3 жыл бұрын
Backup magazine on the loader is so good because you don't need to use your M2 literally all the time. With one or two backup magazines you can save up M2s so you can use it twice in a row which enables you to get almost anywhere on any map within a few seconds. Due to how the momentum conservation works you can get much further and around corners with two M2s instead of just one. It doesn't help much during fights, I agree with that.
@iplayonatoaster5406
@iplayonatoaster5406 2 жыл бұрын
You could easily use blight on acrid with the bite or neurotoxin and purity because with the amount f times you'll be hitting the enemies, its likely that your blight will stack high enough to out-damage poison
@deejaydee1578
@deejaydee1578 3 жыл бұрын
Perma blast shower uptime with things like gotd, fuel cells, soulbound catalyst etc means no downtime for runald and kjaro bands. Pair that with purity, and maybe an alien head/hardlight afterburner, and no cooldowns whatsoever on things like loader punch. Stack bands and punch away.
@dexscrub4094
@dexscrub4094 3 жыл бұрын
I think purity mul-t is worth revisiting. Last patch made his scrap launchers reload all 4 at a time, and power mode turns his M2 into an alternate ability, so backup mags work on it. There is an upper limit to this, though, where too much attack speed means you blow through all your rockets in less than the half second to reload them.
@grayKT
@grayKT 3 жыл бұрын
I had a commando run where I had 5 57 leaf clovers and 2 Purity, and 2 Alien Heads. Yes I did hover all over the map and just skipped to the mithrix arena haha (AHs were drops, Clover was a store item and this was a 3 hour run)
@mccardfan5593
@mccardfan5593 3 жыл бұрын
My first legit monsoon victory (no command) was with loader. Once you have at least 4 or 5 backup mags on loader you never notice the cooldown unless you're exclusively moving around with your M2.
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