@@damianmika3840 i can read the hate in your message you fleabag

@@damianmika3840 jealous? lmao 🤢

@@truckywuckyuwu yes and no. Yes quality bikes are pricey. But remember- the latest materials being used, the components, Engineering and the quality control. You don't get any of that with a chinese wal mart bike.

@@truckywuckyuwu i feel like a lot of bike are a bit overpriced but.. the you can't compare the 300$ bike to 1000$ + bike. I am always budget conscious on my bike and most expensive that i had was 1500$ Trekking bike . I rode it for a year and now now i have a cheap bike for the city ride . You can tell the difference and have better riding experience. Last year i got to try Piviot Trail 429. Oh boy . It was freaking amazing compared to 600$ MTB that i had the Piviot blew me away with its ride comfort and gives confidence to ride..

I been tearin it up on a Huffy Highlander 😁 RANCH ME BROTENDO!

@@grizzly6604 For me, only the frame matters. Rest of the parts on the bike are mass produced and you can buy them off the shelf. If you don’t like how a part performs then just swap it out. I think some of these bicycle companies are charging an arm and a leg because they can. Is a Ferrari better and faster than a Corvette? The simple answer is no. There are many brands in Taiwan westerners never heard of, and they build bikes that are just as good for much cheaper price. Some of these factories make bikes for top end brands around the world and they also have their own house brand. The same goes for some of the components (carbon handlebars, carbon seatposts, headsets, carbon pedals…etc), name brand and house brand. I am Taiwanese American and I’ve been to some of these factories, so I know what goes on in there. In my opinion, Santa Cruz bikes are nice but they are not worth the price. Not to mention, Santa Cruz is owned by a private marketing company now. Just like Diamondback bikes, they are owned by a private equity company now. They use to have Diamondback bikes at Walmart and Target, but no more. The private equity company also owns Mavic. These people don’t care about biking, they only care about how much money they can make. Pon Holding LP is in the automotive marketing and licensing business, and Regent LP is in the leverage and flipping company business. At least Giant Industries in Taiwan is still owned by the founder and his family. The same goes with Merida Industries.

@@TougeGrandTour kev central loves those walmart bikes. they totally make mtb so much fun.

Lol how did it give out? There are a couple available in my area for like $600 used. Recommended or not?

@@Jackofafewtrades Nope, get a Fluid instead if your Budget is that tight.

@@Jackofafewtrades Depends. They're your best option if your'e looking for a bike you could ride pretty hard for a low cost (not saying it would feel like a dream but still you will be able to). They're not designed for trails or jumps so you might mess up a couple of things but over all they're great. If you have a bit more money then you should prob buy a higher speced bike so it will last longer. btw I broke almost anything on it by riding it very hard pretty much everyday, but still a really nice bike for beginners.

@@HeyBaumeister agreed

@@yuval1516 ay thanks for the response. I think I'm probably just gonna hold out a bit and save for something like a torrent or a Marin San Quentin. My girlfriend is actually also looking at getting a bike. She won't ride it nearly as hard as I would (I come from a long time on a BMX, so I know my way around a bike and will be jibbing it as much as possible) so I might consider a Storm for her. Thanks again.

3 cents, take it or leave it

@@eeeeeeeee9381 u might be able to buy a tech deck???

@@dblevins343 He's Indian

@@huckcast7175 Do they not sell tech decks there?

@@dblevins343 No idea but he's not keen to spend money like an Indian lol

LOL, my inlaws when I told them we rented 4k bikes! They said the material doesn't cost that much 🙄.😆add a 1 in front

@@N8MRN literally my dad

They dont realize thats cheap these days😂

Im sorry but these prices are your own fault the only reason the prices are this completely out of wak is because you idiots payed it just a few times and that's all it took for the manufactures to go uuuh they paid what ....stupid is as stupid does now you're all screwed forever HAHAHAHAHA JackAsses

@@vodkasour8385manufacturing a bike is more expensive than you think, there's alot of testing which cost money, couple that with the materials needed to manufacture a bike and you got yourself a pretty good price especially in the carbon / higher end bikes, the higher price allows the company to keep running and keep manufacturing bikes and align the company to grow. The reason why people buy very expensive boxes for the luxury kind of like someone buying a Lamborghini or Ferrari, it's not because we're idiots it's because we like the craft, people like expensive stuff and we are not an exception. And since moutain biking is a very fun sport.

here in brazil i can buy a nacional brand hardtail aluminium, deore m6100, m4100 brakes, RockShox Judy Silver 100mm and some cheap regular aluminium rims for more than 10k, the price of that last santa cruz hahahahahahahaaa. oh and if wonder, a santa cruz nomad like that costs around 50k here

used santa cruz for 2k sounds not too bad prob still pretty good if in good shape

Agreed,

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@@VanCan would be good content.

@@Jackofafewtrades Just needs a click-baity title and he'd get a million views: " I rode Dirt Merchant on a $900 bike and here's what happened!" lol

@@MorryB "Oh no, dirt merchant on a $900 bike???"

Would love to see a Trek Marlin 5 or similar ridden beyond its intended capabilities...then if the frame survives, overbuild it with the best components that are compatible and then find its limits!

The best bike is the one you own!

@@VanCan and the one you use.

@@Anna_Key This. Bikes are worthless wastes of garage space when they're not being ridden. Get a bike, any bike, and ride the thing and you'll be infinitely superior in equipment performance to someone not riding.

Lol Sam Pilgrim is fucken Insane

hes a crazy guy, very good rider lmao that thing held up pretty good

@@sh3ll509 The fact he can punish Walmart bikes the way he does and have a blast doing it to lol.

He’s a legend, natural born rider

That’s how it always goes 😂

What bike did you end up getting?

it is how it is...

Oh I got a 2021 trek roscoe 7

@@ellesnyder942 it has a 1 x 12 drivetrain meaning it has 12

Keep in mind that a British Columbia 'Green' is like a tough/techy Blue anywhere else! :D

Skill>too much bike any day

I have the exact same bike. Got it used for $220 and it holds up pretty well. For me, the biggest downside is its weight cause that thing is heavy.

Not really, you say "back when" so a 2010 kona stinky retailed for 2100$ and doesn't hold a candle to the kona honzo now. It came with a x7 derailleur sun rims a rockshox in front and an in-house coil in the back. It's not even close to the value you get in the honzo bang for your buck has come way up you get way more for your $$

If you go to shops then just learn to get stung for the mark-ups.

Can get a polygon D7 that has things we didn’t even dream of back then, air forks, dropper post, amazing frame, 1X11, etc. the best bike in the world 10 years ago isn’t worth anything now.

I'll never buy a carbon frame again. It made me too paranoid, and I found that carbon frame, carbon wheel and carbon handlebar made the bike too stiff. I prefer an AL frame with carbon components.

Waiting for my A50 to arrive today!

Only downside of the Alloy Altitude builds, you have to go carbon to get a RS Zeb or Fox 38 or Fox X2 shock

@@mrvwbug4423 the A70 comes with the Fox 38 Grip 2 and X2!

@@hpkiunzy what? use a carbon oneup bar. and enjoy the niceness

Thanks for sharing hope. LOL.

@@MLeoM Dude, there's a kid that rides at my local...He can go bigger than anyone and he has half a pedal haha.

Yep... The fella with the best tennis racket is usually a 💩💩💩 player.

I’ve seen rich dads cautiously hitting the greens on $10k bikes and young shredders bombing the blacks on 10 year old beaters

very true, having a rockshox 35 on a 3k bike is horrible value. should be at least a yari/revelation

I feel like most D2C brands have a bad rep as far as frame quality. I've heard some bad stuff about YT and Polygons frames. Brands like Canyon apparently have some sort of lame factor similar to Trek. Not really sure why. It's all just hearsay though.

I've heard that there building from warranty fram up with what parts they have in stock. All shops around me are empty. Was told next year for a bmx for my 4 year old. So the family ended up with box store bikes just to ride. Not what i wanted 😕

being a bike mechanic, I am a little biased of course but trying to be an unbiased as I can and from what I hear customers say to me... having that bike shop that you can always goto if you need help vs having to call a direct to consumer brand for warranty support is SOOO much more convenient because nobody wants to be out a bike for potentially a month at time just to get a derailleur fixed under warranty. if you have an issue that you don't know how to fix, bringing it to a bike shop that u normally do business thru means that bike shop is probably gonna go out of their way to make you happy an just fix that issue for free for you so you can get riding again. that's what we do at my shop. if someone spends their hard earned money with us, we always will take time out of our day to fix an issue for someone if they ask nicely. it's really that simple. but even the, I do sometimes tell customers to buy D2C brands if they're looking for price to performance.

@@dash0173 you can still take a direct to consumer bike to a shop if you have issues lol. also bike shops are really slow with warranties in my experience. some of my friends have ended up leaving their bikes in the shop for 4-5 months, even over simple stuff like a buckled rim.

I bought the same. A whole lot of bike for what a normal rider would do. Still kicking and no failed parts. I changed the tires to Maxxis Assagai and DHR2 and the bike behavior totally changed to more agile.

Small correction to you as well. It’s not a gear in the middle it’s a gear at the top end. Shimano 11 speed is 11-51 and the 12 speed is 10-51.

you reminded me of my uncle who drive all the from Vancouver Canada to California cuz he got a 40% off on a Trek Remedy 2016. Now its 2021 and its still looks brand spankin new. Bike shampoo every after ride. LOL

And if you waited until 2017 you could have that some bike second hand in nearly mint condition for $300.

Same here, aftter year i must say amazing bike. I am just gonna change the chainring to 30t because the original 28t is too noisy on lowest gears.

😂

Had my 2017 trek x caliber 7 for a month or so and took it to Burke mountain in Vermont. After going there the following years with a proper full suspension I realized why my hands were so cramped and numb by the time I made it down on my trek

I did a single black jump line at a bike park near my house on my giant talon 3 which is similar to the storm and cracked my rim and that was when I realised I needed to get a better bike, I was out riding that bike so bad and I now have a giant reign 2020 that I got dirt cheap of my uncles friend

@@oskifv sick!

Cube bikes are almost never reviewed. They offer awesome value. I built a bike, but if i was going to buy a stock one, it'd be a cube. Problem is that they are not available everywhere

3000 is an incredible value for dedicated idiots

@@Blox117 idiots how? I payed 2700 for my giant trance 2 and I haven't had to replace a single part in 3 years of riding blacks and double blacks and riding HARD. Compare that to my old cheaper specialized hardtail which broke weekly. With bikes you get what you pay. I've gotten a ton of enjoyment and use out of my bike, and it's been more than worth it for me. Call me an idiot, but I'm the one having fun.

@@RainytheNB uhhhh, 2700 can get you a bike that easily goes over 100mph. obviously you have no concept of value.

@@Blox117 I’m not sure how old you are my dude; but you can’t really put a price tag on the enjoyment of a hobby. People who ride as much as some of these guys; see the worth in spending that much because of how much strain they put on the bike. They go cheap; they have the potential of hurting themselves out there, or find themselves putting more money into the bike

@@TheJuggaloVenom there are people who buy 10,000 dollar audio cables because they "think" it makes a difference. it does not

Which bike do you ride.

@@theatomic430 I Ride Bird Zero AM Boost, 27.5 + tyres 160mm travel fork, HA is 64 deg.

Good to know. I am thinking about getting my first MTN bike soon. I was originally looking at the xtrada 6 because the price was kind of in my "sweet spot", but then thought I should maybe go to the xtrada 7 due to the air fork and better drivetrain on the 7. But then I thought, "well if I'm spending that much I might as well go to the d6" because of dual sus and dropper post for only a few hundred more than the xtrada 7. I'm still torn, but I think the d6 is what I'm going to go with, but curious to know what you think? I guess I should also add that I live in Denver, so it won't just be used on flat dirt trails, I plan on working my way up to some pretty rugged stuff

@@andrewscasualmtb you're right, it just sucks because then I'd be spending about double what I was initially planning on spending. But I guess I might as well just bite the bullet and get something that's going to do what I want, can grow into, etc.

@@pancak355 I pulled the trigger and I’m so happy I did, I recently got the 2022 d7 full squish it’s a lil over my budget but It’s definitely worth the extra cash for the components. I really enjoy going thru hard terrain and hitting decent jumps and drops smoothly, just remember to dial in the suspension according to your weight to get the most out of it. If you love the sport I’d say go for it.

@@jcabron5381 here I go again with the "well, for just a few hundred dollars more" routine. I was about to buy the d7 thinking it was on sale for $1700. Turns out my size isn't on sale and is actually $1900. Now I'm wondering, since I'm already so far above what I wanted to spend, do I now go for the t7 instead at $2200? Really appreciate the feedback so far

@@andrewscasualmtb thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it

giant talon 29 2

@@JacksonPhipps-uo8wp ? what are you trying to say :D

I have that exact same bike and I have taken it down some things that some people on a fully are scared to do. It is very capable for the money

Great bike, I have it in a custom build.

Hard rock is the best kept secret in the bike world. Ahead of it's time. 68 Degree HA on an an old bike (2011) Super huge tire clearance and bullet proof. I'm running 26 x 2.8. I'll never sell this bike.

@@MarkVanWey awesome, mine was stolen this winter but I had 2.2 wide tires. Looking to get another bike this fall. Probably just looking for a nice hardtail around $1500

Better be the price is insane

@@Phantom096 Definitely worth it tho

@@Duckiez3 It has Fox shocks like a Ford Raptor. Interesting.