Why You Shouldn't Set Your Bike Up Like An XC PRO

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Жыл бұрын

Professional cross-country racers set their bikes up on the extreme end of the bike fit spectrum with speed preferred over comfort! In this video, Anna Cipullo explains the setup choices that XC pros make that you shouldn't
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@gmbntech Жыл бұрын

How do you set up your bike? Let us know 👇

@droozilla8803 Жыл бұрын

Someone needs to smash your audio tech with a frying pan.

@hugohoppe7137 Жыл бұрын

Slam stem and wide riser bars with flats, rock shock, Judy’s

@josephlaidler3778 Жыл бұрын

with a very low positin on the bike, stiff suspension and wide(ish) bars

@Paganiproductions84 9 ай бұрын

one of my bike allready has a -10 stem

@topcat304 Жыл бұрын

Racing xc and others for years with a dropperpost. The activation becomes as natural as other activations like braking and gear changes. The technique of the dropper in a race isn't a squat. If you are getting good at it, you are already on the seat, using your weight to drop the seat just before you use it (down and corners = seat down). Also, raising the seat is reversed as you are already out of the seat, you magically bring it back up to your butt. So intuitive after a while and just as flowing as the trail.

@pretzil16 Жыл бұрын

Very accurate. As I look for a new bike this year, I wonder if a lockout would become muscle-mind memory the same way or if I’d just leave it mostly in open position. Seems beneficial, yet almost too complicated to take full advantage of

@Legacy40k Жыл бұрын

I went 120 FS and glad I did. Admittedly I don't need it in races - but when I'm trail riding with friends on their 130/140 trail bikes, I can still keep up with them. Works great as an all rounder for racing and trail riding.

@CatManDoSocial Жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing XC content!

@gmbntech Жыл бұрын

No worries! We love XC! 👍

@nottusleinad Жыл бұрын

After several years experiencing back / knee pain when riding, I can thoroughly recommend spending £!00 on a Retul bike fit and forget about 'fashion' components and use whatever fits your body and riding style.

@gmbntech Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing! That's a great thing to do if you're looking for the perfect setup. 👍

@Gabe73C Жыл бұрын

I can't imagine having as much fun on my XC hardtail without the added dropper post and 120mm fork upgrade from 100mm. The added weight is a non issue for me since I ride for health and fun.

@BENJB220 6 ай бұрын

I'm completely with you on that one. The dropper I bought for my hardtail XC was the best decision. I could go way steeper descents, way faster. I just ride for fun and health too and want to improve my technical skills. Buying a trail bike doesn't make any sense where I live, mostly cross country terrain.

@ektrolleyboy Жыл бұрын

I’ve just bought an XC bike. For a change… And I’m loving-it! It defo needs the right trail/place. But once you know where to ride it, they’re brilliant. Just bought a carbon rigid post too. I’m going old-school!

@janeblogs324 Жыл бұрын

1:37 not from level, its from your head tube angle. So a 63° HTA with a -17° stem = level with the ground

@mtbboy1993 Жыл бұрын

yea, you are right. from level varies depending on the bike. so level would be the steerer tube straight up, but that's not how it iss on the bike.

@alan_davis 8 ай бұрын

Your maths is bad, but your point is 100% on the money.

@nicolasmadrid182 Жыл бұрын

Reciently, I realized I had barely used my dropper during races this last semester, so off it went! I'll keep it around if the course requires it. Also narrowed my bars and have progressively lengthened the stem. These last changes were definitely inspired by CFR's setup for this season, and also a desire to replicate the body position and handling of my previous hardtail.

@gmbntech Жыл бұрын

Sounds like some well thought out adjustments there Nicolas! Good luck for the upcoming semester :)

@milesholland6826 7 ай бұрын

Awesome video. Back/hip flexibility is rarely discussed but really plays into how us older folks need to set up our bikes. Thanks for discussing it!

@niklashbg 7 ай бұрын

Just bought an Exceed and I love it! Coming from a 120 mm FS Neuron AL (2018) I barely notice the absence of the rear shock when out of the saddle on rough sections, but the pedaling efficiency and climbing performance gained is nothing short of amazing!

@abeolsonmtb Жыл бұрын

I didn’t run a dropper post the first year I raced and i found that it would help significantly to do the tech areas so I bought one last year and it helped a ton

@HaTchiKiDee1 Жыл бұрын

I recently upgrade my cranks and downgrade the length. Was 175 now 165mm. Best upgrade ever! Would be nice to see more about cranks sizes in this wonderful show.

@M3PH11 Жыл бұрын

few years back i shattered my right leg twice in a year and i don't even need 165mm cranks. 170mm is fine for me. 175mm is a no go though. My leg no longer bends far enough.

@janeblogs324 Жыл бұрын

@@M3PH11 is that leg shorter now? Do you run shoe spacers?

@NiohNiohYT Жыл бұрын

Tbh I've tried that and it was bad. More stress on the knees as the push happens with leg being a bit more behind then with longer crank arm, and less efficient pedalling. No wonder *ALL* XC pros ride 175 (including even short riders with less leg reach), and no wonder all bike fitting doctors recommend crank arm length based on measurements, and no wonder manufacturer recommended crank arm lengths are like they are. 175 fits huge majority of people, for shorter ones 170mm might be OK but that's about it. Research has already been done, it's not randomly that most bikes and most cranksets come with such lengths.

@Gufolicious Жыл бұрын

@@NiohNiohYT everything you just said is plain wrong in so many ways. I dont even know where to begin.

@NiohNiohYT Жыл бұрын

@@Gufolicious It's actually not. Hence standard sized by all the big companies after doing incredible amount of research, as well as suggestion by pretty much any doctor physiatrist that does bike fit. I am yet to see a single person recommended on bike fit idk 160 crankset or god forbid less. You must be one of those guys that love oval chainrings, and rigid fork on mtb as well. And yeah, dont begin :)

@MrGrayFox0 Жыл бұрын

I'm riding a pro setup on my ORBEA Oiz. I tried many setups, always with discomfort and even pain in my neck. Now I'm riding a 90mm stem instead of a 70mm and with -20° with a 5mm spacer above the headset and to me it feels perfect. I wouldn't recommend this setup blind to anyone else.

@NiohNiohYT Жыл бұрын

Quite weird. Neck pain happens when you get longer and more negative degree stem, not the other way around. So it should be exact opposite of what you said. It probably looks cool to you and you feel better based on placebo. If you went to actual bike fitting doctor and understood the source of neck pain, you would probably change the setup. Too low handlebar = neck and wrist pain. Too high handlebar / too low seat = back and hip pain. Extremely low setup (like yours, 90mm -20 lol) is *ONLY* good for climbing efficiency for racing/competition purposes and NOT for ergonomics. And that's why the pros use it. As you can see, bikes are never shipped like that to regular people - for very good reasons.

@jeskli11 Жыл бұрын

Same by me, I also eliminated all sorts of pain by going lower with my bars. Now I have pretty much the same position on my XC bike as on my roadie.

@radiocontrolled9181 Жыл бұрын

I ride a 100mm hardtail XC 27.5 mountain bike. Since I swapped my handlebar to a 50mm riser bar (680mm width) I feel much more comfortable, in control and can ride for longer. I am 5'8 on a small frame. 60mm stem +6 degrees

@MrReivn Жыл бұрын

Spring you say? I Wish :D Looking out of the window, just coming inside from shoveling the 50cm layer of snow on my yard, I can only dream of spring and cycling in the forest :D But, still watching the video, extra tips are always welcome...

@AnnaOnTheBike Жыл бұрын

Sorry to tease! Racing has started here in the uk and World Cups test event are just about to kick off in Europe! 😊

@janeblogs324 Жыл бұрын

The G in gmbn stands for GreatBritain

@augustlandmesser1520 Жыл бұрын

@@janeblogs324 isn't that Global?

@mulullama Жыл бұрын

@@augustlandmesser1520 I think you missed the joke

@gmbntech Жыл бұрын

Hey, Reivn! Sounds like you've got a bit of time left before you can get back to shredding the trails. 😬 Thank you for watching! 👊

@mediaburn2 7 ай бұрын

I run a 120 up from a stock 100 so i tossed a -17 70mm to make up the difference in reach and stack height. Works great.

@petersteadman841 Жыл бұрын

Some very good points. Made me think. Thanks

@jeskli11 Жыл бұрын

After being on 100mm hardtails with fix seat post for the past 10 years I've been racing, this year I finally made a switch to a full sus with a dropper post. Coincidentally, it also offers 120mm of travel (though with 2016-ish geometry, so not that radical). The stem I'm now running is 90mm -17° slammed down, but that's to maintain the bike fit I'm used to with slightly taller new one.

@dawnsis Жыл бұрын

Super sensible video....thanks👍

@jamescourier1545 Жыл бұрын

Great info! I tried setting my XC race bike up exactly like Nino's including air pressures, damping settings & volume tokens. Result? I didn't like any of it. Why? Because I'm not Nino! I used his setup as a baseline and after a month of tweaks I was/am extremely happy with the bike!

@StephenWebb02 Жыл бұрын

I think the best thing to do is find out what works for you! If your ideal setup is a slammed stem with a negative angle, do it, if it's a neutral stem halfway up the steerer, do it. If you think a dropper will help you have one! I'm I'm currently riding a 100mm hardtail, front end slammed with a 90mm stem -20°, and no dropper, next week I'm ordering a new race bike, and I'll be adding a dropper, personally I like being able to get my weight further back but know lots of people who are happy without a dropper. The stem will also be slammed as that's my ideal fit, but maybe a colleague or friend it might not be, everything is personal to the rider, go out and figure out yourself what you need.

@acuriouseye 6 ай бұрын

Slammed stem discussion should cover the likelihood of damage to your top tube in a crash, due to the shifters coming around lower and impacting it. I wish I'd figured this out before learning the hard way.

@northernferretsvids...246 Жыл бұрын

Solid info Rich, it may seem obvious but sometimes the basic stuff is overlooked!

@mestengo22 8 ай бұрын

After a 10 year gap in xc hardtail mountain biking I just got a specialized Rockhopper expert & its perfect except I'm cramped & weird with the 60mm 6° rise stem. I'm going to try a 90mm & make it -6°. I'm not a pro but I mean it also came with flat pedals where in days back i used spd clip ins. The kid who sold me the bike had this attitude as if I was clueless & far past my best & i know I'm just @ that level. The frame is perfect for but the stem cramps me up & I can't really go fast at all. Anyways tks good video & we'll see if I prefer the 90mm slammed stem

@philipcaldwell3187 Жыл бұрын

Spot on check list for a new rider to sort out the best answer for their needs. Not a lot of straight talk out there.

@gmbntech Жыл бұрын

Thanks Philip! Glad you found it useful 👍

@donsmith2833 Жыл бұрын

Anna: It's spring! Me: looks out the window at the 30cm of snow on the ground.

@gmbntech Жыл бұрын

It's nearly spring! 😬😂

@stepanhobza5117 Жыл бұрын

Can i ask where did you bought the garmin holder? I am looking for it every where. Thanks

@davecech4741 6 ай бұрын

Nice video! My 120/110mm full suspension bike, is more capable, comfortable and just faster than my 100mm hardtail. They are similarly spec'ed component wise and both have droppers. While I still enjoy my hardtail, I generally only use it now for gravel or flowy, non-technical trails. People can go on and on how about how hardtails are lighter and more efficient climbing, blah blah blah, but at the end of the day, the full suspension bike is faster, particularly for longer rides where the bike soaks up trail noise and other abuse that drains your energy.

@richardjensen3655 7 ай бұрын

Almost all of the 32mm xc forks out there now have 80-100-120mm adjustment, so it's not that different than trying a lower handlebar. Although I do have say that raising my Axon Werx f to 120mm made it feel more sloppy and steeper timed runs were actually worse.

@ilanpi Жыл бұрын

PFP just won the XCO world championship on a hardtail.

@Paganiproductions84 Жыл бұрын

i ride only 100 mm xc hardtails have some some racing whit both i ride mostly fun fitness and speed don´t have pro setups on my but i have one whit a single piece syncross carbon handlebar whit no dropperpost both my xc hardtais have been setup whit a proper bikefit.

@rottieshepcalibre9156 Жыл бұрын

Very flash and looks very fast.. Best of luck in the races. I will be racing soon on my Scott Spark

@bicyclelife7088 4 ай бұрын

I have a carbon XC hardtail with XTR and carbon everything. It's light, it's fast, it beats you up on daily rides. I don't ride it as much for fun, but when I do ride it, it moves.

@joerobo100 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video.

@hyperseah Жыл бұрын

I switched from hardtail to FS many years ago because with my poor MTB skill I was bouncing too much pedalling over rocks and tree roots. It was ok for a few minutes but after an hour I was sore in all the wrong places.😂 With FS, I could just pedal and pedal and thus faster overall even though it is heavier by a kilogram.

@rodneyvandenoever 7 ай бұрын

I suspect that without the special cable-thru headset cups, the stack height could be much lower and a normal 0 degree stem could perhaps have been used?

@GameOnRammy Жыл бұрын

I don't race, but being 6'7" with a XXL bike, the dropper is an absolute must, it had saved me from falling and hitting many times, I don't think I could live without one.

@alan_davis 8 ай бұрын

A -20 degree stem is -20 degrees from perpendicular with the steerer. Not -20 from "level" (because the stem doesn't know what bike /head angle it is going on...).

@dirtrider6198 5 ай бұрын

Interesting! I changed my set up over a year ago to 120mm, dropper and slammed. I’m racing 50km ish courses with some really tech sections, some fast downhills and fire tracks. The new set up is way better for me. I think Anna is talking about a setup for less aggressive riding and courses. I wouldn’t go back!

@andrei0525 Жыл бұрын

having just gotten an e-mtb...i'm now thinking of a diy light xc bike build, as light as possible on a budget...didn't start yet so maybe some videos on that topic would be nice :D

@alex_n8863 Жыл бұрын

I've got a Specialized Chisel. Currently running a carbon fork and some Hunt XC wheels. It's cost me less than £2k; and it's sub 10kg.

@Iron883Man 4 ай бұрын

I actually prefer a dropped stem combined with shorter handle bars. Almost every bike these days comes with 50cm or longer bars which just feel rediculous to me as I have a shoulder with (center to center) of 38mm, but long arms. So for me, lower stem and 45'ish cm wide bars give me a lot more comfort, stability and control then a regular stem on 50cm bars.

@simonpowell2559 Жыл бұрын

Maybe crossing from road bike to mountain. But seriously slammed, long reach, head down push. I honestly believe, what feels comfortable to you go for it. Don't believe the fashion..

@ECrapton 7 ай бұрын

Weight of Fox 32 SC 29" 100 mm is ~1360 gr, vs RS SID Ultimate Raceday 35 120 mm is ~1520 gr. That is 160 gr difference and certainly for hard riding and heavier riders very much worth it. I enjoy every day the benefits of accurate steering and supergood bump absorption. For lighter (female) persons such upgrade is perhaps not needed at all.

@dackzy404 Жыл бұрын

we gotta change XC bikes quite a bit if we want a neutral position starting point for bikes in XL. I can't even get a neutral position on a enduro bike with 35mm rise and 40mm spacers

@55uniwega Жыл бұрын

Oh im in love with my hardtail xc BMC bike :) no more i can ask from the bike :).

@leogoughmtbs Жыл бұрын

Hi, great vid. I have a 2022 Orbea Alma and would like to get into racing. Have you got any tips on how to sign up or what website (s) to go on. Thanks 👍

@AnnaOnTheBike Жыл бұрын

Go to your national governing body, e.g, here we use British Cycling, and they have all xc events listed from local, regional to national point-scoring events 👍

@gmbntech Жыл бұрын

Good luck with your racing Leo!

@rodbrown8306 Жыл бұрын

Dropped stem, ok, that's interesting. Mine is slightly up tilt maybe 7.5deg. A fav climb of mine I'm trying to get weight over the front just to steer. I might just inert it and give it a try, Thx.

@tonyoestrella7306 6 ай бұрын

Well my xc hardtail setup is almost on the pro xc setup which is also looks good

@JonathanWDuvall Жыл бұрын

Great summary of the stuff you see at XC races. I’ve seen inverted rise bars to also ‘get lower. For me, a 225 lbs 42 y/o Clydesdale, I started hating my hardtail about 30 mins into most races, so, I built up a dream bike xx1 epic evo s works with fox 34 stepcast and love every minute of the races now. I would vote downcountry any day if you are upper mid pack or lower rider. It doesn’t have to be the crazy spec but the comfort to power and speed ratio is really nice in the 120 front/100 rear bikes.

@nikolanaumovski4974 Жыл бұрын

what is the exact size of the tyres front and rear?

@zacharypump5910 5 ай бұрын

I’m guessing many GMBN viewers are amateurs who just want a “do it all” bike for XC or intermediate downhill trails. I think the answer is never an XC focused bike, but a somewhat lightweight general trail bike. Like a 140mm or 130mm travel in the front with more progressive geo that you can still lock out the suspension on and do a lot of miles with if you want

@yomommastupid 5 ай бұрын

i flipped my stem so i gained some height at the front...im 180cm and my frame is M/L I felt for the riding that I do which is steep hill near my home and rocks etc...by having my seat lower I feel I can control the bike better when going up. If I had to lean forward too much I would not be comfortable.

@gabrielbuenoaoki6119 Жыл бұрын

what's that stem valve in the tube? Can you please share? 🙂

@3dflyer87 Жыл бұрын

Didn't realize that Anna used to race world cup! So cool!

@Twisted_Biscuit 11 ай бұрын

What is the tool strap on the seat tube? I need one

@kevinwestwood6668 Жыл бұрын

I loved that Pauline ferrand,won the world's,and Tom pidcock the Euros,both on hardtails .

@marosantala9025 Жыл бұрын

I don't really agree with dropper post. I have Scott Scale 920 hardtail and I found myself hitting my saddle or I was far behind saddle when steep downhill part came. That were moment I wish I had dropper, which now I have. Yes, I gain like 300 grams, maybe 400. But I balanced that with 600g lighter wheelset and few other upgrades.

@tablatom 3 ай бұрын

I have a Salsa Mukluk hard tail fat bike with 4 wheel sets. 27.5 and 26 fat with 80mm rims, 27.5 x 50mm rims and 27.5 with 35mm rims. I run many kinds of tyres from 4.8 inch to 2.25 inch. It’s fun mixing and matching too. 2.25 Racing Ralph rear with a 4.5 Gnarwhal up front is hilarious

@johnbruce949 Жыл бұрын

I was winning XC races on a 100mm full suspension S works epic in 2011. Not much has changed except the wheel size! 26 to 29.

@brettbutler9730 Жыл бұрын

Good video. im xc guy. no slammed stem for me. I dont know how Nino does that.. And i dont have a dropper on my bike.

@sepg5084 Жыл бұрын

If people are gonna spend this much on an XC MTB, then they better get a quality bike fit.

@neochristensson8089 5 ай бұрын

I run -20 and 80 mm stem and it has workshop fine for me but a got very long arms so that probably has something to do whit it

@Mr229357 Жыл бұрын

Hard tail ❤👍🏻👍🏻

@galenkehler Жыл бұрын

Um just about to go shovel ~16" of snow that just fell in Canada 🇨🇦, so yes nice spring weather... 🤣

@woodmt.5548 6 ай бұрын

It was a very interesting video. Pauline Ferrand-Prévot wins the 2023 World Championship XCO and XCC aboard the PINARELLO DOGMA XC HARDTAIL. The course in Glasgow was very technical. Tom Pidcock, on the other hand, opts for the full suspension of the same bike. I think professionals weigh the pros and cons and decide which one is more advantageous for them before choosing a bike. By the way, I will not go to the World Cup, nor to the Olympics, so a hardtail with a suspension of 100 mm travel will do. You don't even need a dropper seatpost.

@marksmith3089 Жыл бұрын

Let's see the #gmbn hairy legs contest. Richies gotta gone full on smooth baby , by now .. Loving the content guys ,keep it up 🤘🤘🦖 oxford S/S 🇬🇧

@richardpayne5176 Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 no chance

@moisestatis5418 10 ай бұрын

I just bought a 120mm fork suspension because is the trend not because as I need it, just learned that with this video.

@br5380 Жыл бұрын

The frame looks a bit short for you, but I guess at your height it’s difficult to get something low enough that’s long enough? And bars level with saddle? Something I’ve never encountered with a 35” inside leg 😂

@c4l1f0rn143000 Жыл бұрын

i will set my seatpost and then use a level from stemcap, nose and back of the saddle but that is just for measurements, imagine riding like that :P

@vieuxacadian9455 10 ай бұрын

Well said pointing out average riders' physical conditions as compared to a pro . I can't ride low bars and long stems like I did in the early 90s . Racers and their equipment will always fuel desires and market trends .

@boolekx Жыл бұрын

3:16 isn't Your sadle too low? Just curious

@owenmundy 9 ай бұрын

What seat post is that? It looks like it provides some mild suspension?

@citymonkey5929 Ай бұрын

From Canyon. Dont know the name. But you will find it with google. Works well, has a little flex to it.

@n0b0dy07 6 күн бұрын

Well, my bike is set to ride 6 hours with comfort, not for racing, so my handlebar is 5cm above my saddle, which is set according my measurements, also i got hernias on my neck, impossible to ride with low handlebars

@stanb1604 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, XC setups are just uncomfortable AF if you don't have the fitness. Wouldn't recommend for weekend riders.

@janeblogs324 Жыл бұрын

Mmm nothing to do with fitness, you just need to be flexible

@JogieGlenMait16 5 ай бұрын

I also want to try a "full saucer".

@tomaskaleta1041 Жыл бұрын

It seems to me that Anna's saddle is a bit too low..

@Cal-Mac Жыл бұрын

Yeah just a little maybe, might help with descending or injuries though?

@rupedog Жыл бұрын

Defo looks too low, lots of knee angle as pedal at lowest point... But each to their own... If she likes it then who's to say

@janeblogs324 Жыл бұрын

3:12 yeah but how good do those 32" rims look? Can't wait till they hit the market

@AnnaOnTheBike Жыл бұрын

My Saddle is the right height, but I think I’ve lost a bit of flexibility in my ankles and I am tight in the calfs from time off the bike. You can see I don’t push my heels right down through the stroke, so I’m on tip toes a bit! I’ll be working on that before the season starts 😅

@janeblogs324 Жыл бұрын

@@AnnaOnTheBike I'd love to see you on a trainer test with watts VS cadence with 5+ different seat heights +an exhausted test. Its a game changer finding what's most efficient while ignoring if you're pointing toes and just look at watts VS cadence

@kentrichardson6916 Жыл бұрын

Awesome insight and the knowledge you have wow 👌🏾

@8valhen8 Жыл бұрын

Hard tail team, thanks a lot!

@Stussy787 Жыл бұрын

I race on a hardtail with 120mm Fox 34 SC and am much quicker than I was on my old full sus 100mm rig. Same brand of bike and components just about £1000 cheaper and more fun too!