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Is Tone Master Pro Easier Than Quad Cortex? Fender Neural DSP Comparison
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Is Tone Master Pro Easier Than Quad Cortex?
I put the two side by side in a head to head comparing ways to make a preset or make adjustments on the fly. This is no anecdotal experiment. It is just me messing with the two and comparing how to get things you may need to get done!
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00:00 Intro
2:00 Basic Comparison & Finding Presets
3:50 Building Basics Amp and Cabs
7:15 Cab section Comparison
8:29 Adding a Pedal and HUGE BUG ON TMP
10:50 Losing your floorboard during edits..
13:53 Assigning Footswitches
14:38 TMP is GREAT until you pass the basics...
15:50 Parameter control
17:34 Complex Preset comparison
19:00 Weird single line on TMP
20:09 TMP WAY easier to adjust on the fly
22:43 Final thoughts and comparison...
@GillRigged 9 ай бұрын
Holding out for (hopefully) a revised Helix with twice the DSP and touchscreen. 🤞
@truthfactreality6814 9 ай бұрын
The quad cortex wins for me. It’s smaller. Better screen. Workflow is better. And it’s sounds better. Also you have the capture features.
@DaPoopIsInDaPudding 9 ай бұрын
Better screen?
@gwynbleiddroach2589 8 ай бұрын
@@DaPoopIsInDaPuddingyeah lol, I was thinking the same thing, definitely not better.
@MikeyMike706 2 ай бұрын
me too but I wish it had an integrated volume/expression/wah pedal.
@synonyx 9 ай бұрын
Having played with mostly all of the modelers/profilers, we are in the age where they all sound good. It's easy to make them all sound good. I think it's coming down to workflow, apps and how it works for your needs. What none of them have mastered yet, is the amp in the room feel for home players. Fender is the closest to me so far, exceeding my line6 helix/powercab combo for this. Whoever gets that right first, will sell alot more to home players. It would be a big selling point to have 20 different amps that sound like an amp in the room, not a recording/IR of that amp. I did an initial impression video on it.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Great points! I think that race is for a proper cab designed for modelers. I hear good things about laney and quilter
@franknguitars7671 9 ай бұрын
In terms of User Interface - for me: Helix >> Quad Cortex >> Tone Master Pro. The Helix is so much better thought through - the Line6 crew did an amazing job and it seems like thy actually put the unit in the hands of working, gigging musicians and gave it enough time to mature. Now, give us captures and more DSP to up the modeling quality and I take the Helix over anything else.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Can't argue it!
@nothingchannel111 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, I don't gig so I don't care about basically any of this. The Helix in a shootout though, time and again sounds SO terrible, almost as bad as a Headrush. For me it's all about can you trick me into thinking this is a real amp. The QC and the Kempers do that amazingly.
@SteveSterlacci 7 ай бұрын
@fishingisawesome you can get good sounds out of all of them. Helix stuff works best for me. It doesn't need to be everyones go to 🤷♂️. Whatever makes ya happy
@basedecho2731 9 ай бұрын
Headrush Prime/Core units are the best in terms of user experience and functionality. Metronome and practice tools come in clutch for me. Plus you can tap the preset name then scroll to change presets 😂
@thatdude034 9 ай бұрын
If only it had a desktop editor the Core would have been perfect for me. Hopefully HR will get on it now that QC and Fender both has one..
@Righetho 9 ай бұрын
Worth saying if you accidentally change some parameters unintentionally or change your preset while in “edit” mode, the QC has an “undo option” up there right corner…actually it’s there until u save any changes you’ve made till that point.
@Sanjmaghera 9 ай бұрын
This makes me think I’ll wait for a touch screen helix.
@gdawgs101 9 ай бұрын
Not like the Helix is gonna be any cheaper
@DaPoopIsInDaPudding 9 ай бұрын
This makes me think TMP is killer.
@stringsattached67 8 ай бұрын
@@DaPoopIsInDaPuddingThe TMP kicks ass
@picksalot1 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, the QC has a better UI. Got to say that Line 6 Helix Modelers got a lot of UI right, making them fast and easy to use.
@msi1985 9 ай бұрын
Great points from each side 👏 I've used all of the helix and qc products and recently acquired a tmp. The only criticism I can give and please take it constructively; quad cortex has had several software revisions to improve efficiency and workflow, same with units like the helix... dozens of updates to polish it..the fact that the fender is slower 😑 yeah we all wish fender learned and implemented more lessons from other products, but I'm willing to give them time. Their first firmware update added tons of new features, and their planned Christmas release has me excited. I also never build a preset at a gig 😮 so I'm not sure if I care about saving a few seconds or a minute when building a preset...
@KoaCharvel 24 күн бұрын
This comment aged like wine.
@mahall85 9 ай бұрын
One small thing I appreciate about this comparison: you have the QC and TMP side-by-side for long periods of time. Yes, that obviously compares the sizes, but that will impact how you interact with it live. Do you notice the “more compact” arrangement of the QC’s footswitches?
@brianmiller3287 7 ай бұрын
Hi Steve. Great video. You do great work, don't change a thing!!! Btw, I saw in the comments you're looking for an frfr cab. I got the fender fr-12, and I LOVE it...
@SteveSterlacci 7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much Brian! I've got the 12 here actually 😅😅🤣
@rogershermanmusic 9 ай бұрын
Great, informative video - along with the Helix vs TMP, I feel like you've presented the pro's and con's of the TMP, relative to the other modelers, about as well as it can be done. Hope you do one with the FM9, as well! I do disagree that gapless preset switching has made snapshots/scenes unnecessary - for me, they still have a lot of value for organizing a preset. Just my opinion, of course - your statement could well be true with the way you use your modeler on a gig.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Roger! I can do one with FM9 soon. As for snaps vs seamless presets... i agree with your thought process, but you can organize the presets to be the same appearance as you would snapshots. Have 6 instances of the same preset saved with diff settings like snapshots, and still be able to bank to the next grouping
@CitAllHearItAll 9 ай бұрын
5:29 on QC, add a splitter at the end of lane 1 to the beginning of lane 2. Now you have 2 full lanes for guitar in lane 1 and 2.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
I have that tip on my channel numerous times 😄. I just think its ridiculous to have to split a path, move it around, change the output, mute path A at the split. I just want an easier and faster workflow. Great addition to the conversation though for those that dont know
@digital-guitars-uk 9 ай бұрын
Had mine for a few weeks and really pleased with it. Great for Cleans and even better for Ambient Guitar. Already created Guitar Synth and Ambient guitar patches and video's. Best Wishes 🎶🎶🎶🎶😎😎😎😎
@christianfilouler 9 ай бұрын
hi nice video, I think the TMP is out of the question for me, certainly nice pictures on the display. But somehow it's not really important, the disadvantages in terms of operation outweigh the disadvantages. At least I find the operation of the QC better and easier, more intuitive than the Helix and that's more than enough for me. The FM3 also has quick, good operation without colorful images. For me that leaves L6 Helix.. and FM3
@Darrell111 9 ай бұрын
Sold my QC becauase of the grounding issues and the empty promises from Neural about getting a propper replacement. I'd get another if they ever address the issue. In the mean time, Axe FX III it is!
@algorithm007ify 9 ай бұрын
That’s pretty bad…can’t understand why QC has grounding issues..
@benkeen 9 ай бұрын
Never had grounding issues with the QC in the UK even with just headphones connected and I very rarely have an XLR connected.
@vaughanmacegan4012 9 ай бұрын
Don't forget to buy a foot controller as well, trying to manage the control panel on a dark stage and navigating to the front panel of an AxeFX III Mk II Turbo cab be a real pain especially if it offstage. You don't want the band waiting for you to change presets, especially during a song and for a new song. Out here it costs $1,800 AUD
@phyloo14revers40 9 ай бұрын
Soooooooo useful video ! Hardly wish Fender TM or NDQC developers will soon cast an eye on it, for their future firmware updates 🤔 I've been using Quad Cortex for 3 months. It's a great sounding unit, but the ergonomics on stage sucks, due to the proximity of footswiches, and there's some imperfections you mentioned in your detailed comparison... Very interested in Tone Master for its so explicit screen, IEC power and sturdy looking. It's a new product, with probably upcoming updates...
@KR-nc5be 9 ай бұрын
@12:50 the TMP bottom left foot switch says bypass and bypasses the block while editing parameters.
@johnnymccoy1998 9 ай бұрын
One thing I’d like to see in all these units is room mics as opposed to room verb…and preferably theyre assignable to a separate output
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Yes! Like the ox stomp has. I loved using that in my recent demo of it
@johnnymccoy1998 9 ай бұрын
@@SteveSterlacci ha yep. That video you did is what got me thinking about it. I really want to try it as a mixing tool for reamping in the QC. It’s just one of those real life recoding options that seems to be missing. I’m sure it’ll come out right after I sell it 😂
@rsuarezc229 2 ай бұрын
I prefer quad cortex, the only think better from Fender is the UI and screen, but both of them are great gear
@CraigularjJoeWoodworks 4 ай бұрын
I think you’re better served with a computer and software… I watched the whole Video start to end and I just think these units give apples when all you want is oranges.
@coachguitar 9 ай бұрын
At 12:56 you simply don’t see the "bypass"-button down left🤷♂️ maybe it’s too big 😅
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
I meant for other pedals on the board as well, not just the one being edited. But thanks for the heads up 😄
@twinklesirola909 5 ай бұрын
I read in the manual that the first two rows run on 2 cores and the bottom two run on the other two cores. I think they think that pushing everything in two cores would be too much. Maybe that's why they decided to only allow you to move from row 1 to row 3.
@cptntwang 9 ай бұрын
Call me naive. I just like the tmp best because of its look and the cool graphics. I am shure it sounds good too.
@vaughanmacegan4012 9 ай бұрын
So do I. I would prefer dual mics built-in but not a deal-breaker.
@jasonjohnson4170 7 ай бұрын
Not your mistake. There should be an editing mode. Always used to be with processors.
@shaneatherang 9 ай бұрын
Sounds like Fender just needs to do a nice io Firmware Update and add those options in the future , Great review Thanks 😎✨🤙🏽
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for checking it out. A few updates and its a beast!
@tiagodungo 9 ай бұрын
Great insight mate. Workflow is often overlooked in these machines by people who make reviews, and it's so important. It's all about UI and your "relationship" with the machine. Thanks for this.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for checking it out! I agree 100%
@kurcob 8 ай бұрын
It would be great hearing your comments about how they compare to each other in terms of latency and "feel"
@10smdjbtk 9 ай бұрын
It is important that the QuadCortex is small. It can be taken anywhere. The lack of PC software (which will be introduced, it seems) can also be seen from a different perspective: the QuadCortex can be completed using only the main unit. However, as you say, there is not much difference in sound quality among current high-end multi-processors, so I think it is a matter of taste. I think it would be best to prioritize your needs, taking into consideration your intended use, environment, ease of use, cost performance, etc., and choose the one that you want to use and that seems easy to use.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Ultimately, thats what I try to help people with. The editor is now out and its great. The previous issue was having to put it on a desk or table, then move it to the floor, then pick it back up, or adjust on the floor. It was a royal PITA lol
@algorithm007ify 9 ай бұрын
You don’t have to go “add block” with the TMP… just click the left or right ‘+’ icons on the signal path!
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Its still the same amount of presses and you dont get to choose the locations of the fx
@algorithm007ify 9 ай бұрын
@@SteveSterlacci no it’s one less click. If you add block, you have to press the ‘+’ after to get to the effects menu. However, clicking the left or right ‘+’ gets you to the menu immediately. Please try this out with an empty preset!
@grippo1927 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for this. I've learned I can get serviceable sounds out of even the most trash gear, so my main concern at this point is ease of use, especially in a gig or jam situation. Although fractal seems to be the king, I could never use one because I can't be diving into menus when a bandmate calls for a tune not on the set list.
@DavidEidelberg 9 ай бұрын
QC is way more flexible, but it’s also easier to mess up and pass unprocessed signal with the amp/cab signal.
@harryharris1619 9 ай бұрын
TMP workflow will improve as time goes on but really not liking the touch screen contactivity. IMO fractals FM9 still leads the pack despite its more complex UI. These modelers should all have an external virtual FX type knob controller pedal option for live use.
@bend1499 6 ай бұрын
In terms of the unit itself I think the Fender takes the win by farrrrr. Seems way more gig ready and solid, better on the floor, more foot space, sexier, even the power supply is nice and solid and not some stupid radio shack plug. QC has had years to roll out updates, I think Fender will catch up to them pretty quick.
@r.llynch4124 9 ай бұрын
Just my opinion but I personally don't worry about how easy a modeler is they are all pretty much easy to use. I only worry about how it feels under my fingers and if it inspires me to play. I love my FM9 and tried L6 and the Quad. The Fender at the price point it's at does not impress me at this point.
@vaughanmacegan4012 9 ай бұрын
Here the TMP ($2,349) is cheaper that the Helix ($2800), a lot cheaper that the QC ($3,200) a and cheaper than the FM9 ($3,390). Good value methinks.
@wildebtw 9 ай бұрын
They had a tone master out on the floor yesterday. I goofed around with it. Not a fan of the touch screen. I much prefer joystick access and being able to have full control over my chain. It sure looks cool though but it's the same price as a helix. I'm gonna stick with Line 6 for now. I haven't had the opportunity to try the DSP
@vaughanmacegan4012 9 ай бұрын
You haven't had a chance to try a Digital Signal Processor?
@ksharpe10 9 ай бұрын
someone did demo that color button brightness adjustment, pretty sure I saw them show it. in the settings.
@Thunderup21 9 ай бұрын
My personal opinion…the DSP tone wins hands down (though 95 out of 100 people listening through a mix won’t be able to tell the difference). The TMP UI is miles ahead of the DSP. Reminds me of the Headrush setup. It’s just better. It’s really not even close. Just pick what works best for you at the end of the day.
@vaughanmacegan4012 9 ай бұрын
DSP stand for Digital Signal Processor, so you've lost me.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Neurals full name is Neural DSP. So he means quad cortex.
@johndo9648 Ай бұрын
Those big screens on a busy stage. Seems not wise. Just asking, home guitarist here 😌
@Kevinjames0976 9 ай бұрын
I was annoyed with both of these workflows scenarios. I’ll will stick with my Friedman IR-X and OX stomp.
@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender 9 ай бұрын
What if they made modellers that only had 5 or 6 amps models but allowed really in depth tweakablity.
@GearStuffandThings 9 ай бұрын
I use QC and recently figured out that you can set parameters changes like Helix Snapshots by holding down the parameter I want to change per snapshot.. I hope that makes since. It’s possible in scene mode but not stomp :/
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Correct. Scene mode is identical to snapshots as far as I know, but can't do parameter controls in stomp
@AkimboVermon 7 ай бұрын
I currently have both I don’t know what one I want to keep, I like the bluetooth on the tone master pro so I can practice to backing track with no computer. Quads cortex is awesome but dam it’s a hard choice
@SteveSterlacci 7 ай бұрын
it is absolutely a hard choice. The layout of the floorboard on TMP is way better, QC has capture tech which rules and is pretty ahead in the sheer number of amps and fx in the unit. Very hard choice
@AkimboVermon 7 ай бұрын
@@SteveSterlacci do you know if there’s a way dude I can use backing tracks on the QC? I like to play along to my songs for practice, but can’t always use the unit with a pc to use in my daw. Thanks for the reply, just can’t believe in this day and age there is no perfect one solution, they always seem to fall short on something lol
@SuperCMO79 9 ай бұрын
Can't believe they don't have a supersonic in the tone master pro.
@algorithm007ify 9 ай бұрын
It’s just released…..be reasonable.
@ernieficklin3593 9 ай бұрын
People that are dissing the TMP have not spent the night with it. I have a Fractal and Kemper. The TMP blows the user experience away on both. Sound? The only amps the Kemper or Fractal do better are high gain (other than the 5150). Fx? Nothing touches the Fractal…period. The question is this. Do you want to play guitar or tweak? Fractal is tweaked heaven…at the cost of making music. Kemper..not as bad but it’s up there too. The TMP allows you to do both. Keep your money. Don’t get one. It’s your choice. You’ll never “get it” though until you sleep with the girl and feed her breakfast. At that point, you’ll understand. The TMP will cause other companies to raise the bar on their crappy interfaces. Count on it. The TMP is a baby. Wait till they slam some updates on it if you’re uptight. They are coming.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Thats my hope too. Fractal is a nightmare to learn and TMP needs no instruction whatsoever. One day someone will be able to make us all happy 🤣😅
@ernieficklin3593 9 ай бұрын
Agreed Steve. I am not turning loose of my others…for now. I truly enjoy both the Kemper and the Fractal. But taking outside the house…the TMP just took the prize on that for sure
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
@ernieficklin3593 glad you're loving it! Im trying to get there
@sphinx9517 9 ай бұрын
Plus this is new for fender. Wait till they have some updates for this thing. It’ll be a beast
@philmiller6655 9 ай бұрын
@@sphinx9517 - What’s new for Fender, exactly? A touchscreen? They’ve been making floor modelers and modeling amps for years.
@cunjoz 9 ай бұрын
cool slippers bro
@martiboucat 9 ай бұрын
I thought the Bassman was on helix as Tweed Blues model. Right? You should compare that model with your Bassman
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Tweed blues is the same '59 bassman. Mine is a blonde. Different beasts 😃
@martiboucat 9 ай бұрын
@@SteveSterlacci omg... i know nothing about amps xD
@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 9 ай бұрын
Please test aliasing❤
@stickman55100 9 ай бұрын
Steve, you do such a great job of demystifying the complexities of the various modelers. I’ve been learning about my Helix Floor by watching you and was seriously considering buying the Tone Master Pro, until I watched this episode. Thanks for saving me $1,700, which I think I will likely invest in lessons with you.
@algorithm007ify 9 ай бұрын
Well he used the add block method on the TMP which is slow. You are supposed to press the left and right ‘+’ icons which brings the effects menus immediately rather than add block then ‘+’. Also, I can definitely say that the TMP amp models generally sound better than the helix,…more accurate. Lastly, In Australia, the TMP is $200 cheaper than the helix and $700 cheaper than the QC, believe it or not.
@MarshallDerrickBand 9 ай бұрын
More gig vlogs Steve!
@ElcanaldeReyesManuel 8 ай бұрын
Nice 👍
@philmiller6655 9 ай бұрын
Honestly, to me, they both have things that seem like dealbreaker flaws in their workflows. The thing you showed on the QC where you can’t change banks while in Preset Mode in Play View, or whatever, is still one of the biggest head scratchers to me. And then if you’re in normal view in Preset Mode and you change banks, you can’t see the preset names in the bank before you select them… Just so freaking dumb, I can hardly believe it. The Fender just looks slow as all get out. I don’t know how I feel about being able to assign the same block to different switches. I guess it kind of gives you a version of snapshots, but it seems like it would be confusing. Some of these choices are just puzzling. It’s like these companies decide they’re going to copy the Helix, but they’ve never really used one, so they don’t understand the actual important elements they should copy.
@AA-ih6kt 9 ай бұрын
what about vs the fractal?
@grippo1927 6 ай бұрын
Not sure what even would be the point of comparing fractal when it comes to live workflow. Everyone knows fractal may sound the best, but its UI is by far the worst of any modern processor/modeler.
@gaddebeli 9 ай бұрын
Comparing TMP to other flagship units is an insult to them. I don't get why anyone with any experience with modelers would take this thing seriously and considering the price is the only flagship thing TMP has, who would buy it is an even bigger mystery.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Some people don't know what they want yet and think Fender must be awesome bc its Fender, which is why I think videos like this are important 🤷♂️
@Teletex82 9 ай бұрын
@@SteveSterlacciCome on now. This is a ridiculous attitude. The QC launch was a raging dumpster fire. The TMP has been out for, what, 3 weeks? You can try to be a little objective.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
@sergiomartinez4403 i am the first one to call QC a dumpster fire launch lol i see my wording and see your point. Definitely didn't mean for it to come off like that. I will re word it
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
@@Teletex82 fixed my comment. I agree with ya and it wasn't worded how I wanted
@Teletex82 9 ай бұрын
@@SteveSterlacci Just to be clear, I really enjoy your channel and find it very helpful and informative. I appreciate your receptiveness and being able to have a discussion. Keep up the good work!
@mallclaude1949 9 ай бұрын
you have to be an engineer to understand those gears...
@PabloARQ 9 ай бұрын
This guy never plays guitar in his videos 😩. Does anyone know why?
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
I play in every video thats not a user interface comparison or a discussion. There are about 345 of the 350 videos on the channel where you can hear playing though 🫡 hope you find what you're looking for
@rifflix 8 ай бұрын
I suppose if you want to find deficiencies you will.
@hairnation68 9 ай бұрын
If you’re making presets at a gig then that’s ridiculous. Your nitpicks are because you have spent far more time with the QC so you know it and its tricks.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
I do say i am covering both basic preset building as well as making adjustments on the gig. Why would I cover making a preset at a gig lol thats not good for anyone. But, I make adjustments on the gig ALL the time, so that is very important to me and not ridiculous. And I do have a bit later on in the video (i assume you haven't gotten there yet) about the TMP being so simple and easy, but once you learn the other units "tricks", they become faster if you do learn them. TMP has 0 learning curve.
@vaughanmacegan4012 9 ай бұрын
Everyone needs to make changes to a patch at a gig. I remember needing to dive into the Eleven Rack onscreen editor because the reverbs weren't sounding as good as they were at home. The process was *not* fun.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
@vaughanmacegan4012 yeah "critics" of my workflow videos like to point and yell that presets should be prepared for the gig. Clear indication that they must not gig with their units through diff p.a's and venues and know what they'll have to adjust on any rig they brought
@jeale778 9 ай бұрын
Still Helix is the King!!!!😄
@DaPoopIsInDaPudding 9 ай бұрын
For you
@matteomidas638 9 ай бұрын
The TMP is a very immature machine that has been launched being almost still in beta. Fender really did an incredible mistake. In 2023 we as digital machine user all know what's, the meaning of being competitive and open to the market in terms of performances sound and ease of use. This Fender is only easy to use. For the rest is a complete disater. it could have been revolutionary 10 years ago but these days such a machine can only compete with the low end of the market but the price is out of this world. Fender is on good way of destroying its reputation in the guitar digital domain.
@vedder10 9 ай бұрын
You need to check out some other channels like Tone Junkies and such because after spending real time with the tmp they rave about the sound and UI. It’s actually got a lot of value for certain types of guitarists who want to play and don’t want to spend hours learning how to use a unit.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
Tone junkies doesn't think it sounds as good as Helix in their vid. Its capable of great sounds regardless. But with today's options, they all can get any sound you'll ever need
@vedder10 9 ай бұрын
@@SteveSterlaccidid you watch the latest friends video they released where they talk about the better Fender tones they got out of the tmp. They even said it responded more like a real amp in comparison to the Helix.
@SteveSterlacci 9 ай бұрын
@vedder10 pretty sure it was the same one. Either way, the tones at the end of the day are always gonna be subjective and i think all the units are equally as capable in achieving pro sounds. Thats why I leave tone out of this specific discussion
@vedder10 9 ай бұрын
@@SteveSterlacci Either way we are living in such a wonderful era where you have so many choices and everyone get's a chance to sample and find what works for them. I can only imagine what we are going to see in another 3-5 years with AI playing more of a substantial role in our tech.
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