Isiah Thomas makes a chump out of some guy

Isiah Thomas makes a chump out of some guy - 1985

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baldheadkid

12 жыл бұрын

Zeke having fun.
Showing off ball handling skills and dunking!

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@Balraj.G. 3 жыл бұрын

Man nobody could handle the ball like Isiah Thomas!! ✊🏽✊🏽

@Max-wd6og 2 жыл бұрын

His Handles are still some of the most entertaining of all time.

@HunchoHamza 4 жыл бұрын

First player to ever do the nutmeg dribble 🥶💯 Isiah handles and dimes are very underrated and he could take over a game like crazy 16 points in 90 secs that’s still hard to believe

@Lightdion 4 жыл бұрын

And 25 points in the 4th quarter on one leg!

@jefffromchicago7331 6 жыл бұрын

Veterans vs the rookies game sound like something that could be brought back 🤔

@malikhayes2028 4 жыл бұрын

I’m from the d, grew up watching Zeke do some amazing things.. I never saw him through it down with 2 hands so easy.. Great footage

@Each1teach2 Жыл бұрын

I'm from da D too bro..check out the 84 all star game when he dunked over magic off the put back! 84 or 86 all star game!

@123slasher.16 11 ай бұрын

He did that quite often in his career.

@wackyd 6 жыл бұрын

All that matters in ball handling is whether you can change direction quickly and protect the ball. Isiah could do both of those things as well or better than any player past or present. People in this comment section seem to think that aesthetic style has actual value, lol

@jeffreychen8105 2 жыл бұрын

Aesthetic style does have actual value though. The NBA is fundamentally an entertainment product. So aesthetic style has value in that it better promotes the product

@_Maxten 7 жыл бұрын

i saw no problem with his handling style. i thought it was cool. idk why you guys are hating. its not like he couldnt still cross people with that style in today's game

@SmoovyNovaFan 4 жыл бұрын

-chase its amazing how this was the standard of "ball control" in the 80s, nowadays its like they have the ball on a string

@allenmoses110 3 жыл бұрын

Isiah's team leadership was legendary. Little 5-11 guided the Champion Pistons ship during the golden age of the NBA. Thomas stared down and beat Dr. J, Kareem, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Pistol and all the rest of those legends. Screw the Dream Team. The Bad Boys were the Dream Team, and the Bad Boys were Isiah.

@slipkid1267 Жыл бұрын

Thought he was 6’1”

@christophergooding9820 Жыл бұрын

He never played Pistol Pete or Dr. J in the playoffs. And he beat Kareem but a 41 year old Kareem

@allenmoses110 Жыл бұрын

@@christophergooding9820 the Bad Boy Pistons in their prime beat everyone and won two championships. They beat prime Bulls, Lakers, and Celtics. And they would have beaten anyone else including Dr. J and Pistol. At their prime the Bad Boys were unbeatable.

@christophergooding9820 Жыл бұрын

@@allenmoses110 “they would have beaten Pistol and Doc” well they didn’t so… Idk exactly what you consider a prime Celtics team but the 86 Celtics were the best Celtics which was before the bad boys era. The 87 Celtics, who were injured, the Bad Boys lost to. In 88 the Celtics were a step down but maybe you could take that one. In the 88 finals the Lakers on the season were a prime team but they only had Magic for 2 games in the finals so I wouldn’t consider that “beating prime Lakers”. 89 Celtics were definitely not prime Celtics and didn’t have Bird in the playoffs or for most of the season. The Bulls just definitely weren’t a prime Bulls team.

@RaiderGannon12 Жыл бұрын

@@slipkid1267 A lot of NBA players always add 1-3 extra on their height

@IanLEAU 7 жыл бұрын

People on here criticising the way ball handling was in comparison to today's, but that's such a silly argument. You need to consider the system played by both eras, this one in particular was pretty strict on the fundamental side of basketball, you couldn't palm the ball or drag it like you do these days. Understand that the development of the game began in this era, shortly after Dr J's retirement you started to see a radical shift in how players handled the ball. But you have to pay homage to a guy that started it all for us now, many of our own moves come from this guy right here, he was the original contemporary ballhandler in the NBA.

@shineonnent.7951 6 жыл бұрын

IanLEAU the development of the game didnt start in the nba it was in the aba the 3 point shot all of it the nba was almost outta business

@RJBC5199 6 жыл бұрын

Relax!

@elbowgang9715 5 жыл бұрын

Actually Earl Monroe and Pistol Pete were the first truly elite ballhandlers which was late 60s early 70s

@cprealone 5 жыл бұрын

Zeke is one of the Godfathers of handles, there is no Iverson, Tim Hardaway etc with Isiah Thomas. Isiah Handles were fundamental, never picking up the ball and carrying like most of today's players, also didn't need to dribble 15-20 times to get by his man. Quick, legal and very efficient balhandling.

@SmoovyNovaFan 4 жыл бұрын

IanLEAU its amazing how this was the standard of "ball control" in the 80s, nowadays its like they have the ball on a string

@Swove2204 6 жыл бұрын

Can't believe I've never seen this before. Thanks for posting this.

@kemalmighty2288 2 жыл бұрын

Do you know what game is this? Doesn't look like a regular season game or sth.

@TommyGibbs1 Жыл бұрын

@@kemalmighty2288 Jesse Jackson Push Excel charity game from 1985 played in Chicago Stadium. Isiah, Magic, Dominique, Jordan, Aguirre and other pros played along with some college players. Pretty cool game I still have it on tape

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

This was total SMUT - Skills Many Understand Through. Zeke is always the best and still remains pure in it all. I have no idea why people hate Isiah? The man never kissed anyone's behind and he constantly beat Jordan.

@robertsilas5110 4 жыл бұрын

He took down the Giants of the NBA, that's why he's hated.

@mgreen27 12 жыл бұрын

Great way to start off the New Year. I have to say I am extremely impressed with the footage you have. Have a lot of good stuff that a lot of people enjoy. Keep up the good work.

@frandavilacardenes Жыл бұрын

Best ball handler ever in the NBA. Period.

@scottdavidson7001 6 жыл бұрын

Sugar Ray Richardson had nasty ball skills. Both Magic and Zeek will vouch for that. Drugs killed his career.

@bigwoke686 5 жыл бұрын

The lower you keep it down the harder it is to get stripped

@mookeychase0907 9 жыл бұрын

Both of those guys I idolized when I was young Kenny P on NY and at DePaul and Zeke at Indiana and Detroit they both were nasty with the ball.

@MrHankbaby 11 жыл бұрын

Pound 4 pound the best 2 ever do it!

@ManovSteelo 11 жыл бұрын

At :55 was embarr@ssing as hell; NOBODY has handles like Isiah. GOAT "little man". THANKS FOR SHARING THIS!!

@donparisheo 6 жыл бұрын

Kenny Patterson Forrest Hills NY....Man he was before his time. Slick game and handle...Queens legend

@kc-sm5qu 8 жыл бұрын

a lot of you are probably wondering why Isiah dribbles the ball like that. well its simple after the allen Iverson era players started dribbling from the side of the ball which is actually carrying unlike in the Isiah Thomas era where you actually had to dribble, which shows you how much basket ball has changed over the years.

@Skyy67 8 жыл бұрын

U right

@isaiah5034 8 жыл бұрын

plus every time i hear Isiah talk about dribbling and crossovers he talks about dribbling in a box

@mdubg23 6 жыл бұрын

Kim B actually yes they did....learn the history dumb kid

@mdubg23 5 жыл бұрын

Kim B kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hqqChJN3vs6nYIk.html

@elbowgang9715 5 жыл бұрын

You can tell who doesn't know basketball history 😂 Iverson clearly was the first to use a side/underhand crossover. Everyone from Tim Hardaway and before had their hand on top of the ball even guys from the NYC area after like Marbury used that form of dribbling. Iverson learned the DC crossover after getting abused with it repeatedly. Curt Smith, Moochie Norris and Walt Williams used it too but the most well known players to use it was Steve Francis and Iverson. The dude wit the best handles from Chicago is Imari Sawyer

@h.s936 5 жыл бұрын

People have it all wrong Isiah Thomas went through the same struggles M.J. did while trying to get past the Celtics. Jordan was taught by the Pistons how to be great. The Pistons learned by getting beat by Bird and the Celtics. The Pistons beat the Celtics and they never were the same just like Mike did the Pistons

@UberKrispy 5 жыл бұрын

You are right, both Isaiah and Jordan had to learn hard lessons before they were champions.

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

As far as that 1985 all-star game, I have that on DVR and have watched it; when you look at that game, everyone played team ball except Jordan and Isiah moved the ball like he had always moved the ball. You can tell Jordan was out of place and it's not like Isiah had to go out of his way to please a rookie. There was a pecking order back in the day where rookies had to earn their way but Isiah moved the ball to everyone, made shots, and Jordan had a bad game. Just watch the game objectively.

@Fakename70 4 жыл бұрын

It’s unfortunate Jordan’s been able to control the narrative that Zeke “froze him out”

@jurassicparkboom2426 11 ай бұрын

Impressive dunk by Isiah Thomas 0:50

@donparisheo 7 жыл бұрын

Kenny Patterson had an unreal handle. He was something special.

@strictlyvintagebasketball354 Жыл бұрын

Yep KP inspired alot of NYC point guards back in the day his handles were wicked Isiah was at home and he had to try and make KP look silly but KP at the time was trying to make an NBA roster so he was playing a bit more serious this game he was defending Isiah real tough to you see he couldn't get that 1st shot off and it was the end of the game so Isiah played it off like it was trivial esp since they were winning big and this would not make a difference outcome wise but the whole game KP was defending, dribbling and passing on a real high level like he did at DePaul, this is for me the only time ever I was a bit upset at Isiah for doing this esp knowing what this young man was trying to accomplish. I've never seen KP get humiliated before because he always defended well on tough players.

@TommyGibbs1 Жыл бұрын

@@strictlyvintagebasketball354 Dude it was a charity all star game it wasn’t that serious, KP went at Zeke just as well just not as successfully

@DreMurf313 11 жыл бұрын

The best pure point guard to ever play the game. Here's to Isaiah. Let us celebrate his accomplishments! PS Dream Team 2 was better than Dream Team 1!!! People forget Zeke wasn't the only snub on that team. But none other than a young unstoppable SHAQUILLE ONEAL!!! They turned down Shaq only to add ............... Christian Leattener?!! WTF?!!!!!!

@sul3377 4 жыл бұрын

People out here complaining they couldn’t do what players do today cos of hand checking dummies. They not razzle dazzle cos they would get hacked and could could really close out the gap. Thus making Zeke’s handles more impressive toss up between him and kyrie.

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

All professional sports are fixed, you are a customer (as am I) so we aren't allowed to know how it's fixed. It's like if you have a business, business plan, product, and security forces - nothing doesn't go how you don't want it to go because you are in charge. The players, coaches, and media do wat you want. It's like a movie, play, sit-com, book, circus - everything is already finished before customers (fans) see it play out and everyone is in on it for the purpose of the business.

@mookeychase0907 9 жыл бұрын

Kenny Patterson(number 10 red jersey) also had one of the best handles back then...

@percycrisp 8 жыл бұрын

Sure did

@mookeychase0907 8 жыл бұрын

+P Crisp Yes sir those old DePaul games were the shish...

@dwainekahicks 3 жыл бұрын

177-155...Dayumn 😳💪🏾

@Abstrack23 4 жыл бұрын

As much as I hate to admit it, I think this is the only Pound for Pound player that might be better than AI. Two mini goats though for sure, along with Stockton, Nash + Calvin Murphy.

@johmedis 11 жыл бұрын

Well, yeah. And MJ got butthurt because he wasn't given instant respect by the veterans as a rookie.

@BCH19821091 12 жыл бұрын

very well put.

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

All I know is we left 2 championships at the door (1988, 1991) and had Dennis had a an offensive game we would've won in 1992. I love my old scool Pistons but they could have done more. Rodman left a lot on the court. Imagine how good this guy was that he didn't even need or want the ball on offense yet he made it in the HOF. That's why I say he was the greatest player of all-time.

@TheCoreten1 11 жыл бұрын

Isaiah is the person I look up to. His handles and he drives in like a big man. Big man, little body.

@krlm2280 8 жыл бұрын

to the kids out there Pistol Pete Maravich to Isiah Thomas to Tim Hardaway Sr.(created the crossover) to Allan Iverson to kyrie Irvin,Steph curry and the new blood

@TommyGibbs1 8 жыл бұрын

Tim Hardaway admittedly got his crossover from Pearl Washington (RIP) but your list is official

@elbowgang9715 5 жыл бұрын

You missed the OG Earl Monroe

@brolickscholar3083 4 жыл бұрын

Jamal Crawford 👍🏽

@flameking3344 4 жыл бұрын

Flight: Bro, that dude literally has a 10 day contract, I would never let myself crossed like that bro, If I was there I would swat that ball away you know what I'm sayin.

@jameslorick5608 3 жыл бұрын

Flame King 3 months later and you find the idiot...it’s an all star game,,

@garciapaellas7489 Жыл бұрын

Isiah Thomas is very underrated and disrespected in NBA history.

@smoothALOE 9 жыл бұрын

That was "skake 'n bake!"

@edscottable 12 жыл бұрын

you're right on so many levels. too bad too many commenters on jordan are young and don't have perspective or just fail to research it objectively. jordan didn't have to cry too loud because whenever he hit the wood david stern whinced. stern rode jordan all the way to the top. he was gonna enable mj. past commisioners were sportsman, sterns a businessman, and seems to not be concerned with conserving important aspects of the way basketball should be played.

@rubberglovesandwich9889 6 жыл бұрын

0:30 He was doing and1 stuff before that team was made.

@2dasimmons 11 жыл бұрын

WOW.

@MoMoJohnny 12 жыл бұрын

The guy is Kenny Patterson, played in college for the DePaul Blue Demons, 48th pick, round 3, in the 1985 draft, for Indiana, never played a single NBA game, got cut because scouts said he couldn't really shoot... Funny thing is that he was compared to Isiah in college because of his speed and handles, maybe Isiah was mad because of that or just being a jerk like he sometimes did, can't deny the man had talent though.

@lovingthink 2 жыл бұрын

The 1st-generation Dribble Textbook.

@koophuisN 10 ай бұрын

How is this Not the greatest player of all time. Meanwhile the other guy who got 6 finals mvp’s, won them when the goats retired. When the real competition retired he Finally started winning. How we despise this is beyond me.

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

So Jordan was the one that couldn't beat Detroit from 1988-1990 throughout the regular season and playoffs so he complained and got Rod Thorne, who was in charge of fines and rule changes then, to change those rules. The problem I have is that Rod Thorne drafted Jordan and the NBA wanted to institute rules to enable Chicago's style-of-play while taking away from Detroit's style-of-play. Why? Because the NBA just signed a new contract with NBC and Zeke was beating Jordan 3 straight years....

@MrPablo5987 12 жыл бұрын

Hahaha!!! What a swagga!!!

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

Dennis Rodman is in the HOF without ever wanting or needing to score the basketball. If you can make the HOF doing that then it shows how great you are; you put that guy with a handle and a jumper with 70% from the line and you get 2 more rings easily; especially with his experience and poise. Remember, he was always on the court during crunch time in Detroit (as a bench player) and in Chicago; so the man was clutch and trusted when it mattered most.

@123slasher.16 11 ай бұрын

He was a starter on the 1990 title team.

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

Look at the famous, "walk-off". You had Laimbeer (who doesn't care what anyone says) and Aguirre (Isiah's best friend) leading in front of him. It was a protest of the NBA fixing the ECF making Jordan win and Isiah, President of Players Association forfeit that series. Look who shook hands: Dumars (now GM of Pistons), Salley (played for '96 Bulls), and Rodman wrote a letter to Pippen apologizing (joined 1996-1998 Bulls). Daly was Olympic coach. Everyone was rewarded for kissing Jordan's behind.

@Max-wd6og 2 жыл бұрын

This when MJ first started hating Isiah…

@averyt6521 12 жыл бұрын

wow

@kevinklampe2350 2 жыл бұрын

That is too funny lol

@edscottable 12 жыл бұрын

isn't it something how the expansion draft that year the t-wolves came didn't take anyone from the bulls? rick mahorn was a glue guy for the pistons who really only had value with them.

@estupedude21 4 жыл бұрын

Damn...😮

@jimmyharvey1747 Жыл бұрын

That was NY guy Kenny Patterson

@edscottable 12 жыл бұрын

oddly, what i've been able to pick up on years later was how good a job daly did managing those personalities and creating a winner. they were clickish and really weren't friends. he knew how fragile rodman was and how he needed a family. daly leaving truly regressed rodman.

@drek100sm 12 жыл бұрын

92 All star game

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about? Isiah lost to NY in 1984 (1st round); Boston 1985 (2nd round); Atlanta 1986 (1st round); Boston 1987 (Conf. Finals); Lakers 1988 (Finals) and won back to back in 1989 and in 1990. In 1991-92, the Pistons organization didn't bring back Vinnie Johnson and James Edwards, that's why they couldn't compete for a ring again, then in 1992 Chuck Daly left. So that would be like Jordan losing two of the top 8 guys in their rotation plus Phil Jackson then expected to win.....

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

You said it yourself: It's basketball, not work or lunch. Isn't this their job? Oh, but it's basketball which means it's a game which means it can be manipulated if you are highly skilled and physically imposing enough, which is what these players are, which is why they are drafted to toy with the game and to make things go how they desire. You are assuming they don't know, they aren't paid that much $ to play ball, they are paid that much to do their jobs, which is already designed and planned.

@jae2067 11 жыл бұрын

Isiah was too competitive. Off the court he appears to be a nice and courteous man and I truly believe this image of him. However, on the court he was one of the meanest, nastiest guys out, not just in a bad way, he would light up anyone and wouldn't give a rat's ass however someone thought of him. He would walk out of arenas without shaking hands, deliberately freeze out a player to prove a point and would just physically bully everyone on the court.

@Each1teach2 Жыл бұрын

He walked off without shaking hands like bird. Zeke never complains about bird cuz thats how things were done back then.

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

Yes 4 rings and I can prove it. They have 2 and should have had 1988 and most likely would have won in 1991 because Worm could have handled the ball and created his own shot shooting a solid percentage taking the pressure off of Thomas and Dumars - Chicago couldn't play 5 on 4. It's like Pippen's ability plus the rebounding but Worm wasn't scared nor passive with anything he did as Scottie was. Plus in 1992 he led the NBA in rebounding (18 per) with scoring? Please! Worm never wanted to score.

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

What urks me about the Pistons (even though I know it was fixed) were 3 things: 1. The Pistons never competed in the 1991 ECF. 2. Detroit never picked up Mahorn in 1992 when he was available; nor did they re-sign Vinnie Johnson and James Edwards for those seasons. 3. Rodman and Salley never developed their skills. Had Rodman been able to handle the ball and shoot a 15-20 footer Detroit would have 4 rings. Salley never had a post game nor developed one, which was sickening.

@123slasher.16 11 ай бұрын

I remember this because earlier in this game, Kenny Patterson stripped the ball from Isiah.

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

You just said it, if the Bulls could dismantle them then who is really controlling things and how? If the Bulls could do it, then they are running things. How? Why? Because they have the #1 moneymaker with power (Jordan) and it's designed for them to win. I don't nor have I ever cared about this modern era of basketball. Ever since 1991, the game itself has suffered and become soft. No good basketball has come since; just marketing pawns and 'be like Mike' sicophants. Great job NBA!

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

Isiah wouldn't sell out so he wound up injured with surgery to his wrist in 1991. Either they made him fake an injury or someone roughed him up for that year. I personally believe they told him to sit out because Isiah is tough from the West Side of Chicago with a crew. So owners most likely told him to sit out missing 34 games and guess what? After beating Chicago 3 straight years the Bulls magically swept Detroit. Wow! Why do you think Zeke and the Pistons walked off in '91? It was a protest.

@noboggie 11 жыл бұрын

wow he is good

@edscottable 12 жыл бұрын

james edwards was old, like 36 or 37 so they felt he was expendible. mahorn was a glue guy but they chose not to protect him from expansion. vinnie was older and wanted to go make some money. i respect that. more interestingly, sally with all them long arms and hops never learned any scoring moves which makes me sick. all he wanted to do was party and he did that well. we agree on that. rodman however looked good going to the hole and could ignite the break with a bust out dribble.

@nashs69on 12 жыл бұрын

@mgreen27 Couldn't agree more

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

First of all this was in the late 80's; the Pistons became a physical team from 1987-1991, that was their ECF/NBA Finals' run. The reason why the game is soft today is because Jordan, and Jordan alone complained about the physical nature of the Pistons. Bird and Magic never complained, just Jordan. So Jordan got his connections in the league office to implement the 'flagrant foul' rule which penalized hard fouls giving you two shots and the ball and possible ejections. Only Jordan had a beef.

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

Isiah led the walk-off and he was left off the Olympic Team and what happened in those spots where Zeke was? In Toronto the owners left him out to dry selling their shares of the team and Isiah was left holding the bag. In Indiana he coached a young team into a playoff contender and got the shaft after Bird took over as GM. So he goes to the Knicks and purposely messes up the Knicks becasue of what happened to him in Toronto/Indiana so he wanted to get back at Stern so he destroyed that team.

@readmore2008 12 жыл бұрын

Further backdrop is that KP was kind of a big deal in Chicago being the PG for DePaul for 4 years and it looked like Isiah really wanted to show him up. He went And1 mixtape style on him b4 there even was And1...

@123slasher.16 11 ай бұрын

No the reason why Isiah wanted to show him up because he stripped Isiah off the dribble earlier and laughed in his face I watched that game that night.

@SimShard 11 жыл бұрын

Did you really just say that? Lol

@3DStoneCt 12 жыл бұрын

If someone is paying you to do anything it's very clear that they are paying you because they feel/know you can do what they want/desire. It also means you are paid for a designed service/agreement, which is why you have a contract so if you violate those terms you can get sued. Why do you think players have to get it written that they can play during the off season or not allowed to play competitively during the off season? Because they are owned to play the game - they do what they are told.

@rampageyells 11 жыл бұрын

No the bad boy pistons left two championships in 1989 and 1990. 1988 was magic and the lakers, and 1991 was michael and the bulls.

@3DStoneCt 11 жыл бұрын

Yep. It's all politics but it's the Olympics... I don't think anyone can be excited about playing in the Olympics when they know history. Being on that team was degrading to the players for more reasons than they will admit.

@samderrida 3 жыл бұрын

They should go back to these rules. Now everyone carries and travels every time they touch the ball. The rules ate a joke. The defence is given no chance