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'It is EXCESSIVE!' | Jamie Carragher reacts to Everton's 10-point deduction

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Jamie Carragher shares his views on Everton's 10-point deduction in the Premier League, describing the sanction as 'excessive'.
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@simonh2011
@simonh2011 9 ай бұрын
Honestly how Chelsea and City get away with transfer bans (after illegally buying players for the next 6 years) and Everton get 10 points docked is a madness
@DanSim93
@DanSim93 9 ай бұрын
Money talks that's why, City with over 115 separate FFP charges but because they buy off the officials they get away with it.
@flexermc4333
@flexermc4333 9 ай бұрын
I can't believe this. If everton deserve a 10 point deduction then man city needs to be relegated to leugue 2
@mxgaming1236
@mxgaming1236 9 ай бұрын
@@DanSim93nah Everton are found guilty and city aren’t yet so that’s why
@Black-Moustache
@Black-Moustache 9 ай бұрын
Simple. They have a lot of money
@michaelmcgill-uu5ox
@michaelmcgill-uu5ox 9 ай бұрын
U break rules you pay price dont break rules simple as that
@muhammedyamaan6003
@muhammedyamaan6003 9 ай бұрын
Crazy how Everton with 1 FFP charge gets 10 points deduction And man city sitting there with 115 FFP charges gets nothing but penelties from the refs in the game IT'S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE
@DanSim93
@DanSim93 9 ай бұрын
Cheating City are too rich so they get away with it. Wouldn't have won that tainted treble without the money either.
@Scottish1996
@Scottish1996 9 ай бұрын
City will get punished, it’s just a matter of when.
@muhammedyamaan6003
@muhammedyamaan6003 9 ай бұрын
@@Scottish1996 don't think so it will ever happen
@muhammedyamaan6003
@muhammedyamaan6003 9 ай бұрын
@@DanSim93 exactly
@muhammedyamaan6003
@muhammedyamaan6003 9 ай бұрын
@alta8029 yeah man from the football perspective the league is way too good but these corruptions off the field make it unfair for lower table teams
@mrakronyahoo
@mrakronyahoo 9 ай бұрын
Even a Liverpool fan can see this is unfair. Chelsea and Man City have done much worse for much longer. Why no punishment? The premier league is rotten to the core
@ujmm
@ujmm 9 ай бұрын
Everton admitted their wrongdoing, city did not, and only city knows for sure if they reported the correct numbers. This means it has to be proven before they can be sanctioned like Everton. No need to put our tinfoil hats on. We don't automatically sanction clubs or people because they may have done something wrong.
@rbstickymicky66
@rbstickymicky66 9 ай бұрын
What have a Chelsea done? Curious. We served a 2 window transfer ban for paying a player just before we bought him only thing we’ve done wrong in recent times
@newcmags3253
@newcmags3253 9 ай бұрын
So you are arguing that bigger clubs get punished first? Why? Surely these are independent of eachother and have their own timelines.
@user-lf1ut7yi1k
@user-lf1ut7yi1k 9 ай бұрын
The punishment isn't unfair..what's unfair is the fact city and Chelsea are getting away with it
@billygetty2634
@billygetty2634 9 ай бұрын
They in the premier have done nothing for clubs in lower divisions who have had points deductions but one of their own gets one and they scream what about Man City and I don’t support Man City double standards if you ask me
@yahoo_vevo
@yahoo_vevo 9 ай бұрын
It's disgusting that these smaller clubs suffer so much more than these teams who constantly break and find loop holes in the system near the top. Everton have been done dirty here. Reminds me of QPR getting a £42m fine that still has the club in turmoil to this day, even city got a lower fine than that.
@russellward4624
@russellward4624 9 ай бұрын
A loop hole by definition is following the laws.
@user-lf1ut7yi1k
@user-lf1ut7yi1k 9 ай бұрын
They haven't been done dirty atall. They broke the rules they deserve a proper punishment this will make other clubs think about breaking the rules now ..
@iwearLingerie
@iwearLingerie 9 ай бұрын
Everton are cheaters and got delt with ✊️👊👏
@diddyxl
@diddyxl 9 ай бұрын
​@@user-lf1ut7yi1kyou've just started watching football.
@DCDova221
@DCDova221 9 ай бұрын
@@user-lf1ut7yi1k did you even read the report? The commission said they gained no sporting advantage and the only reason they were over the financial threshold was due to stadium costs, not player transfers. How is it fair to be docked 10pts due to stadium construction costs while City and Chelsea run wild with player transfer fees? Everton did nothing to affect performance on the field
@zisolo4283
@zisolo4283 9 ай бұрын
1 charge = -10 pts 115 charges = -1150 pts?
@JabbarTV1
@JabbarTV1 9 ай бұрын
couple titles scrapped and down to league 2 they go
@zisolo4283
@zisolo4283 9 ай бұрын
@@JabbarTV1hope the tittle scrapped off and awarded to those hu come in 2nd. Scrape off that fake Treble as well
@jedsithor
@jedsithor 9 ай бұрын
@@zisolo4283 The titles will likely be made null and void. Basically no winner for those seasons rather than awarding titles to second place teams as that would mean everything from prize money to relegation for those seasons would need to be looked at. Better to just say there was no winner. As for points deductions, City might just be straight up kicked out of the league if found guilty on all or even most charges. They would then need to apply to enter the Football League, probably down in League 2.
@shivanjethwa7136
@shivanjethwa7136 9 ай бұрын
​@@JabbarTV1More like National League
@kurtpunchesthings2411
@kurtpunchesthings2411 9 ай бұрын
from a United fan yea i would agree even tho we would get 3 league titles 1 Fa Cup if the trophies were stripped and handed to their runner up honestly i would be happy with just the trophies being null and void that seems most fair tho for the hell of it let's list all the trophies other teams would win if they did award it to runner up Premier League Manchester United 2012,2018,2021 Liverpool 2014,2019,2022 Arsenal 2023 Fa Cup Manchester United 2023 Stock City 2011 Watford 2019 League Cup Sunderland 2014 Liverpool 2016 Arsenal 2018 Chelsea 2019 Aston Villa 2020 Spurs 2021 if we added UEFA comps Champions League Inter Milan 2023 Super Cup Sevilla 2023 @@jedsithor
@titaniabell6680
@titaniabell6680 9 ай бұрын
What a joke !!! Man city and others seem to get away with anything.....it is becoming a joke. I feel for all of the Everton fans. Coming from a liverpool fan.
@jamesdshannon99
@jamesdshannon99 9 ай бұрын
It’s called Arab oil money
@russellward4624
@russellward4624 9 ай бұрын
Key words, "seem to be"
@hongkongphooey-kw4nd
@hongkongphooey-kw4nd 9 ай бұрын
Chelsea have already admitted breaching ffp,so there is no seem to be,were there concerned.
@shawklan27
@shawklan27 9 ай бұрын
​@@jamesdshannon99yep
@titaniabell6680
@titaniabell6680 9 ай бұрын
@user-xs5ju2ej2i some of my best friends are Everton fans. So are their entire families. ....it is not fair what is happening right now to Everton, whilst man city seems to get away with over 115 charges against them at the moment. For the love of the game and its fans....get this sorted...
@wespicedmemes
@wespicedmemes 9 ай бұрын
Everton: 10 point deduction Man City: VAR’s best friend
@user-sm2bf9mu7z
@user-sm2bf9mu7z 9 ай бұрын
Just like united
@RagnarDelgado-wh3uu
@RagnarDelgado-wh3uu 9 ай бұрын
This is a shame !!
@RagnarDelgado-wh3uu
@RagnarDelgado-wh3uu 9 ай бұрын
M Man city corrupt !! Michael oliver and others protected Man City Justice !!
@BigSmokeMUFC
@BigSmokeMUFC 9 ай бұрын
@@user-sm2bf9mu7z not true, VAR has been anything but friendly to Man Utd (apart from the opening game against Wolves)
@Crispyham480
@Crispyham480 9 ай бұрын
​@@user-sm2bf9mu7zliterally most decisions gone against us this season but continue talking shite
@joshhunt9129
@joshhunt9129 9 ай бұрын
Sheffield Wednesday got a 12 point deduction which was reduced to 6 points when we appealed and when we cooperated with the EFL. That was with a 46 game season not a 38 game season so it seems very high. The EFL isn't the PL and so there isn't a consistency issue as they are different entities but its still high, especially for a team who hasn't got over 40 points in the last few years.
@JonasFilberg
@JonasFilberg 9 ай бұрын
Y'all need to know that City will never get these kind of ban because money talks
@ujmm
@ujmm 9 ай бұрын
Everton admitted their wrongdoing, city did not, and only city knows for sure if they reported the correct numbers. This means it has to be proven before they can be sanctioned like Everton. no need to put our tinfoil hats on. We don't automatically sanction clubs or people because they may have done something wrong.
@muchiosgracias4
@muchiosgracias4 9 ай бұрын
Y'all? Yank plastic. The 6 who tried to start the superleague decided their own punishment.
@jedsithor
@jedsithor 9 ай бұрын
Money won't talk here. It's the Premier League itself that's bringing the charges and while the league is owned by the clubs, it operates independently of them, especially for scenarios like this. No amount of money will save City if they're found guilty and they could end up being kicked out of the league entirely.
@wolflair3329
@wolflair3329 9 ай бұрын
​@jedsithor look forward to that day.
@Robert-ks5ix
@Robert-ks5ix 9 ай бұрын
​​@@muchiosgracias4the 6 you talk about didn't do it though. Everton on the other hand did break the rules so the punishment is fully deserved 👍
@pukguy2
@pukguy2 9 ай бұрын
Imagine Everton gets deducted but not city 😂
@paramountfootballtv6432
@paramountfootballtv6432 9 ай бұрын
Corruption in EPL bro
@environm3ntalist549
@environm3ntalist549 9 ай бұрын
City cant be kicked any lower than the Championship@Ngcblockaa
@vJAMIEv
@vJAMIEv 9 ай бұрын
@Ngcblockaawith a point deduction.
@theblues8840
@theblues8840 9 ай бұрын
Don’t need to imagine it, it’s just happened right before our eyes
@jamesdshannon99
@jamesdshannon99 9 ай бұрын
That’s exactly what’s going to happen
@RecencyBiasRadio
@RecencyBiasRadio 9 ай бұрын
So because Everton don’t have the infinite funds to pay their way out of trouble, they become the first club to get disciplined for breaking less rules than Citeh & Chelsea? What a shame smh
@TwistedSoul2002
@TwistedSoul2002 9 ай бұрын
I’m guessing City’s investigation will take longer due to the sheer number of alleged infringements.
@KingofKran
@KingofKran 9 ай бұрын
Less rules? Do tell me more, genius.
@landcruiser801
@landcruiser801 9 ай бұрын
@@TwistedSoul2002 and by their nature they are far more difficult to evidence and therefore prove
@QueensParkRangersMemories
@QueensParkRangersMemories 9 ай бұрын
They are not the first club, multiple EFL clubs been given points deductions and fines
@landcruiser801
@landcruiser801 9 ай бұрын
@@KingofKran It's quite simple, Everton broke the rules on the amount of losses you can sustain in a given period it is a simple matter of looking at the accounts. With Man C they allegedly broke the same rules but then have multiple convoluted accounts through which they may have hidden losses through connected companies, contracted out players/employees through other companies to potentially keep expenses off their own books and seemingly inflated sponsorships beyond the market norm for a club of its stature at the time through connected parties which is not allowed but harder to evidence when both parties to the contract are said to refuse to hand over the information where as Everton's accounts are a matter of public record. Coupled with the fact the Man C lawyers already had the UEFA charges dismissed then the PL need to tread very carefully or they will simply lose and Man C will face no sanction at all if the allegations are proved. But yeh, Everton broke less rules ergo easier to prove the case against them.
@seriousreviews-only4818
@seriousreviews-only4818 9 ай бұрын
When you think that Sheffield United got relegated by 1 point when West Ham fielded Tevez (illegally) and the FA should have deducted 3 points but chose not to do so, 10 points is too much to take off Everton. Lets see how Man City feel when they have to start the season 150 points adrift in the 3rd division.
@Lpool378
@Lpool378 9 ай бұрын
Sheff utd should get 500 mil
@Bobby-uv1xf
@Bobby-uv1xf 9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 Sheffield United mugs still crying
@badgical640
@badgical640 9 ай бұрын
When did you become judge jury and executioner?
@Bobby-uv1xf
@Bobby-uv1xf 9 ай бұрын
@@badgical640 😂
@redlady935
@redlady935 9 ай бұрын
1500 points! If it's 10 points per case
@charlottehardy822
@charlottehardy822 9 ай бұрын
This happens to Everton and yet Man City and Chelsea still sitting pretty. Absolutely ridiculous 🤬
@LukeC44
@LukeC44 9 ай бұрын
its wild man and I'm a Chelsea fan.
@morriswaithaka776
@morriswaithaka776 9 ай бұрын
Chelsea amortized the payments. Investigation is ongoing regarding the leaks and if Chelsea is found guilty the punishment will be a fine. The Chelsea situation is not worse than for Everton and Man City.
@jedsithor
@jedsithor 9 ай бұрын
CIty's charges are pending and Chelsea are being investigated.
@godseye13k
@godseye13k 9 ай бұрын
There case is still on going how hard is that for youtube melts to understand. Our was 1 bloody charge not over 100.
@terrypage358
@terrypage358 9 ай бұрын
​@@godseye13kthey could just pick one of the charges, punish them then move on to the rest to make sure city don't wriggle out of it
@LetMeTellUSomething...
@LetMeTellUSomething... 9 ай бұрын
I thought boxing was Corrupt 😅 Chelsea and Man City come to mind
@DermotMaguire-dg7og
@DermotMaguire-dg7og 9 ай бұрын
As a Liverpool fan I feel sorry for Everton being hung out to dry, will be very interesting to see how City and Chelsea fare out.
@darkstar4102
@darkstar4102 9 ай бұрын
Chelsea situation is not any worse than Everton fact they honest about letting Premiere league know about it unlike Everton so in anything Chelsea punishment would be lighter
@aarnethn
@aarnethn 9 ай бұрын
Chelsea and City will get away with it anyway. Nothing's changed. 🥱🥱
@samoke4527
@samoke4527 9 ай бұрын
thats exactly where all neutral fans should be at this moment in time but if city ends up getting away with it we all need to back up the evertonians and fight against it
@Slim-MMA
@Slim-MMA 9 ай бұрын
I wonder how Manchester City would deal with a 1150 points deduction. What about Chelsea too?
@WebleyCrusher
@WebleyCrusher 9 ай бұрын
They would lose alot of their youtube fan boys
@desmond451
@desmond451 9 ай бұрын
don't worry we just had an aguero moment with uefa when guys like you were celebrating. We will do the same with fa😅
@wilks1878
@wilks1878 9 ай бұрын
Per Jamnies last point, player X wasn't about COVID, it was about Sigurdsson being suspended and us being unable to sell him and choosing not to sue him.
@shadow_realm47
@shadow_realm47 9 ай бұрын
Yup sigurdson was a lemon + rising interest rates + stadium construction delays balooned the interest payments. Everton actually sold Richalrison Gordon and Keane for more than 100 mil last season and bought nothing to replace them with.
@PaulDevall
@PaulDevall 9 ай бұрын
And yet Luton Town were deducted 30 points in one season after irregularities involving players and administration..... Seems the bigger the club the lighter the sentence. So expect nothing for City and Chelsea ..
@jameshughes5722
@jameshughes5722 9 ай бұрын
"irregularities involving players and administration" money laundering they literally broke the law. Everton took out a 20m loan to cover the loss of a sponsor who got sanctioned by the government and couldn't make a sponsorship payment.
@superspursjb
@superspursjb 9 ай бұрын
Man city and Chelsea will absolutely get bent over trust me
@geraldmutti2001
@geraldmutti2001 9 ай бұрын
​@@superspursjbkeep on dreaming g
@superspursjb
@superspursjb 9 ай бұрын
@geraldmutti2001 not dreaming pal
@Bandzino91
@Bandzino91 9 ай бұрын
We just gonna ignore what's going on with man City and Chelsea then 😂 what an absolute farce.
@mohriz7642
@mohriz7642 9 ай бұрын
Chelsea is ok I guess
@best7best711
@best7best711 9 ай бұрын
Does this mean Man Citeh and Chelski will be playing Rochdale next season????
@mrdemocracy7106
@mrdemocracy7106 9 ай бұрын
As a Spurs fan I Feel sorry for Everton. They have always been a good honest club in my opinion
@landcruiser801
@landcruiser801 9 ай бұрын
Honest club because they had losses of over £300m in a period where they were allowed £105m losses and then tried to blag their way out of of it. They blagged to the extent that their losses allowing for non-allowable losses were £124m so still £20m over what was allowed. Cheats plain and simple.
@hunsler1006
@hunsler1006 9 ай бұрын
​@BossMan-pr4qghardly cheating. Not like West ham did playing unregistered players etc. Their losses went a bit over during COVID while building a new stadium 🙄
@charlieb3497
@charlieb3497 9 ай бұрын
Cheer’s fella 👍
@dannykelly7137
@dannykelly7137 9 ай бұрын
@@MikeJJJemptybladdernot a bit funny. Poor taste to say the least
@hunsler1006
@hunsler1006 9 ай бұрын
@@MikeJJJemptybladder I mean, not similar at all but sure
@TAZS
@TAZS 9 ай бұрын
feel so bad for everton, they broke the rules but the punishment is super excessive
@guyfila1992
@guyfila1992 9 ай бұрын
So they want to set an example of Everton with 1 breach.. 19 million.. yet city have 115.. and we all already know nothing will come of that
@iboyd2824
@iboyd2824 9 ай бұрын
If a football club like Everton has been sanctioned in this manner, then I sincerely hope that every other football club's finances are also investigated with with a fine tooth comb... FFP is supposed to be there for a reason, and I have a strong feeling that certain clubs can get away with it, whilst others have to pay the price.
@handsolo1209
@handsolo1209 9 ай бұрын
I think Everton wished they turned their shirt colour to red. It gives a club immunity from anything.
@wtf_is_a_handle696
@wtf_is_a_handle696 9 ай бұрын
If Everton survive this year they'll honestly be one of my favourite clubs. So stubborn, and never give up, something great about it
@justbreakingballs
@justbreakingballs 9 ай бұрын
Why wouldn't they survive they are hardly cut adrift with this deduction and it's hardly the last day of the season. They will easily survive.
@wtf_is_a_handle696
@wtf_is_a_handle696 9 ай бұрын
@@justbreakingballs true, but after barely scaping survival for the last two years to then survive again with a ten point deduction, just the narrative is pretty badass
@omother6950
@omother6950 8 ай бұрын
They’ll survive they’re very fortunate Luton Sheffield are in this year
@scottlawson1800
@scottlawson1800 9 ай бұрын
embargos make more sense. The issue with points is that it is hard to quantify. most football fans will agree 10 points is overly harsh
@csav47
@csav47 9 ай бұрын
Precedents have been set, and now we need to see them applied, especially since unlike Everton a certain club with 115 chargers has tried to fight and make it difficult for the PL every step of the way.
@kodiak64
@kodiak64 9 ай бұрын
The problem is that FFP rules are immoral and designed to be exclusionary, but sold in the name of altruism. It's not the violation of the rules that's immoral, it's the rules themselves that are immoral.
@tomstar1800
@tomstar1800 9 ай бұрын
@@kodiak64so you enjoy a state run club being able to walk in and buy the league without any grassroots football? Very clearly you live on the internet and don’t go to live games
@kodiak64
@kodiak64 9 ай бұрын
@@tomstar1800 Yes I do. So what? Does that make your vision of how football should be better than mine? And FPP has ZERO to do with grassroots football, that's just sugar coating to help sell what it is: exclusionism.
@Si1234321
@Si1234321 9 ай бұрын
@@tomstar1800because Glory Hunting plastic fans supporting clubs like Liverpool because they were good 40 years ago is the model we’re striving for?
@FortValance
@FortValance 9 ай бұрын
115 charges 0 convictions Everton 1 charge 1 conviction City are innocent until proven guilty and that won't happen as they're innocent
@tomwebster5348
@tomwebster5348 9 ай бұрын
I can’t wait to see Haaland face off against Port Vale after City’s 150 point deduction
@helenmattless4065
@helenmattless4065 9 ай бұрын
Yes Jamie, remember the super six clubs wanting to dump on the premier league a couple of years ago.They each got fined a few million, nothing to them.Each of those clubs should have been deducted 5 points.
@paulvickers3800
@paulvickers3800 9 ай бұрын
My opinion kicked out of the Premier and dropped in a Lower league..
@EH_1995
@EH_1995 9 ай бұрын
If City don’t get something similar or worse, this league is a joke
@ANGELOFDARKification
@ANGELOFDARKification 9 ай бұрын
Everton should appeal as to why other teams with 100+ FFP charges didn't get any sanctions or point deductions
@handsolo1209
@handsolo1209 9 ай бұрын
Everton admitted their guilt. Man City deny the charges, so, and call me old fashioned here, you can't be punished for simply being accused, the accuser actually needs to prove guilt.
@ANGELOFDARKification
@ANGELOFDARKification 9 ай бұрын
@@handsolo1209 Someone being accused over 100 times also makes it sound unbelievable that they are innocent.
@85andrewparker
@85andrewparker 9 ай бұрын
Least he sticks up for Everton not like most journalists
@BigSmokeMUFC
@BigSmokeMUFC 9 ай бұрын
Cuz he was a childhood fan of theirs
@BLOODSHO7
@BLOODSHO7 9 ай бұрын
He's an Everton fan lad
@sushipizza4439
@sushipizza4439 9 ай бұрын
@@BLOODSHO7when liverpool bear united 7-0 and when liverpool got the Champions league final vs villareal he went mad. An everton fan would never celebrate like that for their rival
@BLOODSHO7
@BLOODSHO7 9 ай бұрын
@@sushipizza4439 put in KZfaq jamie carragher Everton fan n you'll see
@BigSmokeMUFC
@BigSmokeMUFC 9 ай бұрын
@@sushipizza4439 ye but before joining Liverpool, he was Everton mad. And he does have a soft spot for them even after his Liverpool days, sure not as much love for Liverpool but he still likes Everton
@Ryan-lf1ko
@Ryan-lf1ko 9 ай бұрын
I agree 100%. I’m a red from Liverpool and Everton have been done bad. Wouldn’t t be so bad if other rule breakers had been held to account but to make everton scape goats is a disgrace.
@handsolo1209
@handsolo1209 9 ай бұрын
I know right, a club hacks another club's scouting database and gets away with it scot free...
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 9 ай бұрын
Scousers sticking together?
@johnfarnborough6424
@johnfarnborough6424 9 ай бұрын
The only good news for Everton is that there are at least 4 teams who will still finish below them this year.
@redimp5667
@redimp5667 9 ай бұрын
Got it in 1 - In otherwords it's no punishment at all , because even without the deduction Everton would not be coming anywhere near the European qualifying positions.
@xela7218
@xela7218 9 ай бұрын
If points can be deducted from a club for bad practices, then surly the case can be made for points to be added, particularly when refereeing decisions were made in error.
@vujhvjvgvfujk9888
@vujhvjvgvfujk9888 9 ай бұрын
Problem is with adding points you can’t predict what the scoreline would’ve been, had the correct decision been made.
@philmcevoy7129
@philmcevoy7129 9 ай бұрын
Speaking as a Red this has to be excessive in view of what City and Chelsea have been up to. It has to be reduced and by a large amount.
@coasters4life388
@coasters4life388 9 ай бұрын
It excessive
@davidclixby5840
@davidclixby5840 9 ай бұрын
It’s a warning to other clubs.
@treyas2818
@treyas2818 9 ай бұрын
I think the reason this has happened so quickly is that it’s one breach, where has City have 115, which is naturally going to take a lot longer to investigate. If City aren’t relegated at the conclusion of their investigation into the breaches, EPL has lost all integrity
@shadow_realm47
@shadow_realm47 9 ай бұрын
Relegated 4 times over
@treyas2818
@treyas2818 9 ай бұрын
@@shadow_realm47 National league north 🤞🏽
@nas84payne
@nas84payne 9 ай бұрын
Do the premier league have the bottle? No.
@user-si3rc4ut8s
@user-si3rc4ut8s 9 ай бұрын
@@nas84payneThey’ll have to, otherwise it’ll seriously undermine the integrity of the cash cow and thus devalue it. It’ll come down to money, the other clubs will make sure of that.
@omother6950
@omother6950 8 ай бұрын
It’s been years
@Psalm11950
@Psalm11950 9 ай бұрын
The top 5 or 6 clubs seem untouchable. There needs to be an investigation into why this is
@tomh6588
@tomh6588 9 ай бұрын
I did it for you. Money.
@user-si3rc4ut8s
@user-si3rc4ut8s 9 ай бұрын
If it was a tv show ( wink wink) they’d dig up dirt on the people making the rulings and then strong arm them into ruling favourably. And that’s if they couldn’t be bought.
@SteamInJapan
@SteamInJapan 9 ай бұрын
How can a league governed by itself be giving its own members ridiculous punishments? Clearly it's really owned by the top 5
@jedsithor
@jedsithor 9 ай бұрын
The league operates independently of the clubs when it comes to upholding the rules of the league. No club has more say than any other and if clubs want to change the rules I believe they need 13 clubs to agree. So the big money clubs don't have undue influence, which is why they tried the whole "Big Picture" thing a few years back and the Super League, due to not having more power in the Premier League.
@m.y1152
@m.y1152 9 ай бұрын
Corruption in the premier league?! Colour me shocked
@spartacusforlife1508
@spartacusforlife1508 9 ай бұрын
Let's call this what it is. Using Everton as a canary in a coalmine to deduce what is the minimum man City and Chelsea can be hit with
@jedsithor
@jedsithor 9 ай бұрын
City might just be straight up kicked out of the league. 115 charges with many of them being for obstruction of the investigation.
@mrbroeders
@mrbroeders 9 ай бұрын
Its a ridiculously harsh punishment.
@kevinmcnab5670
@kevinmcnab5670 9 ай бұрын
It really isn't.
@DrSpasticat
@DrSpasticat 9 ай бұрын
Leicester, Southampton etc. would feel differently
@morganator4874
@morganator4874 9 ай бұрын
​@@kevinmcnab5670It really is.
@kevinmcnab5670
@kevinmcnab5670 9 ай бұрын
@morganator4874 They cheated, and because they cheated, they stayed in the PL, and their punishment still gives them a fair chance of staying up again this year. Leicester was punished more as a result of Evertons cheating than Everton was.
@morganator4874
@morganator4874 9 ай бұрын
@kevinmcnab5670 So because they exceeded the threshold by an apparent 20 million, that's the reason Everton stayed in the PL. Yeah, that makes total sense mate. Leicester went down because they were declining and lost a few of their integral players, which proved to be too much for them. It has nothing to do with Everton, so your point is irrelevant really.
@stephenlilley9774
@stephenlilley9774 9 ай бұрын
My club Wolves avoided this by selling its big players, otherwise we would have been subjected to this situation, and I feel for Everton and the fans, this is grossly unfair, 10 point deduction is excessive, I know rules are rules but the punishment metered out is far too much, I hope the appeal goes in their favour and they get a large reduction in the points deduction. I would say 4 point deduction would be acceptable.
@Izzy01711
@Izzy01711 9 ай бұрын
We aren’t winning no appeal, the FA only care about their big 6, hopefully we can climb out of this anyway
@TheGingerjogger
@TheGingerjogger 9 ай бұрын
We did mate we had to sell Richardson ect told to by the fa and prem as we worked with them for 4 years to do ffp It’s a farce
@shadow_realm47
@shadow_realm47 9 ай бұрын
Everton sold everyone last season. Richalrison Gordon Keane.
@MrRogerWild
@MrRogerWild 9 ай бұрын
I don’t think 10 points is excessive, i think the issue that all clubs are not held to the same standard, big clubs getting fines is no deterrent, only points deduction will deter them, i think any club in the premiership who breaks FFP immediate 10 point deduction, then after that the bigger the crime then bigger the punishment
@aidygooner
@aidygooner 9 ай бұрын
Simple reason why Everton have been punished and not Man City and Chelsea. Everton simply can't AFFORD to get away with constant losses.
@parmaman8551
@parmaman8551 9 ай бұрын
I missed the part when Chelsea failed FFP?
@cameronsmith7328
@cameronsmith7328 9 ай бұрын
Afford? If your saying we cant afford to get away with constant losses why would they punish us which will impact out losses? The reason city arent getting punished is because the prem are terrified if going to battle city
@aidygooner
@aidygooner 9 ай бұрын
@@cameronsmith7328 by being forced to spend less, Everton's finances wouldn't be even more negative. What I also meant by "afford" is that Man City can literally pay off any dodgy individual(s) to prevent getting into trouble.
@russellward4624
@russellward4624 9 ай бұрын
​@@aidygoonerthey agreed to ffp so can't complain. They wanted this system of setting it up so clubs with money outstanding the rest because they thought it would favor them.
@hongkongphooey-kw4nd
@hongkongphooey-kw4nd 9 ай бұрын
​@@parmaman8551chelsea have already admitted breaching ffp,have been doing it for years.
@leeumile5262
@leeumile5262 9 ай бұрын
Mentioning Chelsea will be harsh the sins of the previous owner shouldn’t be placed on Todd and they self reported irregularities and when everyone was yelling chelsea are cheating FFP, it was significantly explained on how they balance the books, comparing Chelsea to City breaches is insane just bitter rivals on what Chelsea have achieved and what they are doing for the future.
@jonathankennedy1715
@jonathankennedy1715 9 ай бұрын
This is so unfair whilst ManCheaty 115+ (and for the 2nd time round) get away with it.
@liamk15
@liamk15 9 ай бұрын
So hes saying he'll rather see Man City fined than points deduction if they get found guilty 😂 they would just pay it and they would do it again
@philipcawthorn9651
@philipcawthorn9651 9 ай бұрын
If they were going to get this penalty there is no better season, they are still going to stay up
@LunaBully420
@LunaBully420 9 ай бұрын
I was as many others shocked by the decision to deduct everton 10 points for 1 FFP infringement . Earlier this year Man Utd were given a fine of 300k also PSG (€65m), AS Roma (€35m), Inter (€26m), Juventus (€23m), AC Milan (€15m), Besiktas (€4m), AS Monaco (€2m) and Marseille (€2m) were all fined for the breach. I do not understand the reasonings being the points deduction for Everton . This impacts supporters firstly and the team who have worked so hard on the pitch to gather more points than usual recently. If this is a bench mark of 10 points per infringement then a lot of teams will be afraid .. some clubs therefore should be deducted 1000s of points if the charges are correct as accused. I would urge the appeal now for Everton and get this embarrassment of a punishmentment reviewed and a sensible decision made , everton should not be made a scapegoat for world wide football . As such Football doesn't seem like an entertainment anymore , it seems like a business and not a fun one.
@billygetty2634
@billygetty2634 9 ай бұрын
All the premier clubs have said nothing when clubs in lower have been deducted points for financial reasons but now when a premier club get it they start pointing at the top clubs🎉
@ianmccutcheon2528
@ianmccutcheon2528 9 ай бұрын
The Premier league have set their stall out now, this will make it obvious for all to see that if city and Chelsea don't get thumped with deductions that relative to what Everton got for one infringement, then someone is on the take.
@JoutarouKuujou1
@JoutarouKuujou1 9 ай бұрын
united should get 20 points and relegation for excessive debt, the PL is a joke
@davidclixby5840
@davidclixby5840 9 ай бұрын
United haven’t broken any rules. Everton have. All clubs know the rules.
@pukguy2
@pukguy2 9 ай бұрын
@@davidclixby5840 city?
@philipmorrison5284
@philipmorrison5284 9 ай бұрын
​@@davidclixby5840utd did it alot but got away
@JoutarouKuujou1
@JoutarouKuujou1 9 ай бұрын
@@davidclixby5840 They have biggest debt in the world and it's not sustainable and every year it grows more. If any other club does it they get point deduction. You are a glazer fan, get out
@jakehyams8659
@jakehyams8659 9 ай бұрын
​@@JoutarouKuujou1spaz
@RANDOMCLIPS894
@RANDOMCLIPS894 9 ай бұрын
The Irish Guy is going to need a lot of milk 😂
@Scienterrifical
@Scienterrifical 9 ай бұрын
Setting a precedent here. If city are found guilty of multiple charges they're looking at relegation.
@kurtpunchesthings2411
@kurtpunchesthings2411 9 ай бұрын
yea like 10 points for 1 charge CITY ARE FACING 115
@Thaitanium73
@Thaitanium73 9 ай бұрын
How can he say it's excessive. Everton have stolen Leicester City's place in the Premier League.
@Sutty0151
@Sutty0151 9 ай бұрын
Everton didn’t over spend last year or the year before Leicester went down bcoz maddison missed a pen and wasn’t good enough simples
@blackpound2297
@blackpound2297 9 ай бұрын
Citeh gonna get hammered. Make no mistake, PL are using Everton as the example to limit Citeh’s defence to their charges.
@kevinmerry1838
@kevinmerry1838 9 ай бұрын
Pep’s not the best ever. He’s only ever managed clubs with huge resources that will be in the mix for titles irrespective of who’s in charge. People have short memories. What Brian Clough achieved with Forest is bigger than anything Pep has done. Within 3 years of being in Div 2 they’d won the league and European Cup twice. Clough was 5 years in at this point. Pep’s had 8 years and only has 1 European Cup, despite the financial doping. That’s a poor record
@tettilo
@tettilo 9 ай бұрын
Get Pep to manage a team like crystal palace or wolves and see how well he does then. I agree, these managers already have a leg up when going inton a club like man city with all their resources
@morganator4874
@morganator4874 9 ай бұрын
I agree he's a cheque book manager
@janysmahoney1271
@janysmahoney1271 9 ай бұрын
Pep's a fake all day long; he joined a rich club who'd already won the Lge a few times bf; Needs t b called out an if he's THAT great, tell him t go an manage a...Everton, Brentford etc an actually PROVE his greatness instead of living off prior managers hard work. Instead of jumping from (liner t liner )ship t ship, howz about him managing a boat, dingy or canoe club like Fulham, Sheffield Utd or something( uno , a club struggling t stay afloat). The late, great Freddie Mercury once sang; *Im the great Pretender.* Peps the Greatest Pretender of the modernday footballing Management World
@weeeeee374
@weeeeee374 9 ай бұрын
As long as people go to games, pay to watch the games, they will never punish the top clubs. Lets face it.
@barnaclefelching4079
@barnaclefelching4079 9 ай бұрын
I'm a Liverpool fan, yet this feels incredibly unfair. Totally agree with Carra here
@justthetruth1
@justthetruth1 9 ай бұрын
The way their fans abused and threatened ex mangers, board members etc, some karma.
@Robert-ks5ix
@Robert-ks5ix 9 ай бұрын
​@@justthetruth1kidnapped some fellas dog as well
@sammitwum
@sammitwum 9 ай бұрын
I'm not sure I even knew that Everton were being investigated for FFP infractions. So, what about Manchester City FC?
@IMOLEAYOable
@IMOLEAYOable 9 ай бұрын
I was going to ask the same question
@Scrubber89
@Scrubber89 9 ай бұрын
If you didn't know that then you don't know anything
@russellward4624
@russellward4624 9 ай бұрын
​@@IMOLEAYOablebecause they lost 300m in 3 years. Double what's allowed.
@russellward4624
@russellward4624 9 ай бұрын
City were investigated goof.
@donuts7627
@donuts7627 9 ай бұрын
I think this is setting a precedent, if you breach the rules you get punished. Fining clubs who are washing cash from dodgy deals isn't going to effect them, whereas a points deduction for a club like Everton might sting a bit but when it comes to a case like Man City and Chelsea, it provides the PL with the teeth to really bite those clubs and ensure others don't follow that example.
@goodisonpark5987
@goodisonpark5987 9 ай бұрын
If Everton has been deducted 10 points, then if City are found guilty they could face 120 breaches x 10 points = 1200 points deduction. The only way to serve this fine equally and proportionally is to relegate City from the prem for the next 12 years. If I was Arsenal and Liverpool, I would demand City, Chelsea, UTD are all dealt with this season by FFP. Whoever comes second this year should be awarded the premiership title. As City - Chelsea and UTD drop to bottom of prem league then all the other prem teams can move 3 places higher up the league. FFP have opened up the gates to hell.
@martinbarrett1620
@martinbarrett1620 9 ай бұрын
Hope that city also get there's aswell or it is ridiculous
@shivanjethwa7136
@shivanjethwa7136 9 ай бұрын
I'm fuming 😤
@temporaryuseraccount0012
@temporaryuseraccount0012 9 ай бұрын
"One rule for Tofees, another for Man Citee!"
@footballeditz-ew3vo
@footballeditz-ew3vo 9 ай бұрын
As a Liverpool fan this is disgusting If Man City don’t get a piont deduction or something that’s terrible
@paulvickers3800
@paulvickers3800 9 ай бұрын
Quite agree with you on that, look what they did to Derby County, i know they not in the same level, my opinion the club shouldn't suffer, cause of the fans.. Management and the top brass, should be fined.. They make all the dissions...
@darkstar19
@darkstar19 9 ай бұрын
Things like this make me really feel done with the Prem...when city and Chelsea can get away with everything it really does kill the supposed fairness of the league.
@jamesdshannon99
@jamesdshannon99 9 ай бұрын
And Newcastle
@BSTComps
@BSTComps 9 ай бұрын
Explain what Chelsea have done wrong in full detail, and where’s the proof?
@cdeford2
@cdeford2 9 ай бұрын
Why should Everton be treated differently to all the other clubs that get points deductions? If they broke the rules they should be punished the same as other clubs. Otherwise there's no point having the rules in the first place. IF they are guilty, Everton have got off very lightly by getting the deduction this season.
@Shemzinho
@Shemzinho 9 ай бұрын
The problem is other clubs aren’t being punished *cough cough*
@jacpfc01
@jacpfc01 9 ай бұрын
@@Shemzinhobecause city have so many more charges to go through it takes time
@shadow_realm47
@shadow_realm47 9 ай бұрын
​@@jacpfc01half of those charges are for obstruction of justice 😂 it doesn't take time the PL and courts are bought and paid for.
@RyansRandomRants
@RyansRandomRants 9 ай бұрын
It's not excessive. They broke the rules. What's not right is Man City have no punishment as of yet.
@shanetroy111
@shanetroy111 9 ай бұрын
What the hell is up with all the people giving out crap in comments about city, chelsea? Do they think 115 charges can be investigated overnight. Compared to everton’s few. Wait until investigation and outcome is complete before whinging.
@kenbushnell5943
@kenbushnell5943 9 ай бұрын
What about Manchester City and Chelsea 😡
@jackowens7636
@jackowens7636 9 ай бұрын
Breaking FFP rules needs legislation with teeth, at the same time, the larger clubs shouldnt be able to lawyer there way out of it.
@GedTheRed
@GedTheRed 9 ай бұрын
Guess who watched mark goldridge ? 😂😂😂
@jackowens7636
@jackowens7636 9 ай бұрын
@@GedTheRed me haaaaaaaaa
@eddieheal3157
@eddieheal3157 9 ай бұрын
No one is larger than Everton
@popseyskoi2141
@popseyskoi2141 9 ай бұрын
like others have mentioned just can’t see how city and Chelsea are getting away with things.
@GuitarJammerJohn
@GuitarJammerJohn 9 ай бұрын
No Carragher Is completely wrong the whole point of a punishment is so the team doesn’t do it again a fine is nothing to most premier league teams and a transfer embargo is just slightly annoying. Teams will actually pay attention to the rules if they see a real punishment if they don’t at least do this for City or Chelsea if they are found guilty then you can start to complain but I completely think that points deductions or enforced relegations are the only punishments that actually work.
@positivevibesrfc
@positivevibesrfc 9 ай бұрын
I am a Rangers fan but I feel for Everton with the punishment. Others in the English game are getting away with worse. I wonder if some if this is foreign influence trying to corrupt the EPL so that the Saudi League can rise to dominance? Certainly seems like something is brewing with the EPL and Everton is just the start I think.
@handsolo1209
@handsolo1209 9 ай бұрын
What "much worse" is being gotten away with and by whom?
@positivevibesrfc
@positivevibesrfc 9 ай бұрын
@handsolo1209 Look to the biggest clubs in the league and you will find the answers, especially those who spend ridiculous amounts. Everyone knows who they are. By the way have you seen the investigations into Chelsea and Man City. How are those going?
@TraumatiZe12
@TraumatiZe12 9 ай бұрын
Where is Man City’s Deduction?
@andrewholdsworth4421
@andrewholdsworth4421 9 ай бұрын
Man city , Chelsea points deduction and trophies stripped and so on . Others too
@derekmooney2771
@derekmooney2771 9 ай бұрын
As a Newcastle fan and obviously the richest owners in the world, from the moment the takeover happened the top six clubs have done their absolute best to hamstring and hinder rapid spending. In all honesty I don't want to see us succeed purely by cash - equally I do want to see Man City and Chelsea PROPERLY punished IF found guilty of FFP abuses. As primarily a lover of the game some of my greatest moments such as Brian Clough /Peter Taylor taking players to incredible levels, as well as Leicester's team ethic winning the league mean more to me than simply buying the best players and giving them obscene contracts. Newcastle are growing slowly due to FFP restrictions, and their commercial team will soon bring enough revenue to allow controlled FFP level spends - the fact remains that Man City and Chelsea have possibly achieved incredible success by questionable methods or the charges would not be being made. The ten points is far too heavy, and should be reduced.
@handsolo1209
@handsolo1209 9 ай бұрын
@bigjockknew7277 Newcastle will have 90% of the stadium filled with local fans? What percentage do they have now?
@peteg1114
@peteg1114 9 ай бұрын
They are already trying to hamstring Newcastle by 'emergency voting' on loans between clubs with shared ownership. Never seemingly a problem before....
@handsolo1209
@handsolo1209 9 ай бұрын
@@peteg1114 It is almost like the American owners fear competition and want to make sure only they get the prizes...
@marknewbold2583
@marknewbold2583 9 ай бұрын
You're owned by head choppers. Wake up
@jedsithor
@jedsithor 9 ай бұрын
If City are found guilty I don't think they'll get a points deduction. I think they'll be straight up kicked out of the Premier League and possibly be stripped of their titles, which will be declared null and void for those seasons. City would then need to apply to enter the Football League, most likely in League 2. I suspect Everton's deduction will be reduced on appeal but the verdict today is as much about sending a message to the league as a whole as it is punishing one team.
@daveeol1987
@daveeol1987 9 ай бұрын
But they have been found guilty
@ozzylyon3180
@ozzylyon3180 9 ай бұрын
@@daveeol1987yes but Everton complied with the investigation therefore their punishment might be less, city have made it as hard as possible so the punishment should be worse for not complying
@handsolo1209
@handsolo1209 9 ай бұрын
@@ozzylyon3180 No, City have denied the accusations, then for the past 4 years have told the PL to "do one" and have said see you in court, we are not cooperating any longer.
@jonathankennedy1715
@jonathankennedy1715 9 ай бұрын
This is so unfair whilst ManCheaty 115+ (and for the 2nd time round) get away with it.
@ozzylyon3180
@ozzylyon3180 9 ай бұрын
@@handsolo1209 exactly they have said ‘do one’ instead of complying 😂 thanks for basically agreeing with my comment
@mohammadrasoulfard-habibi3066
@mohammadrasoulfard-habibi3066 9 ай бұрын
Madness.
@abnrgr7569
@abnrgr7569 9 ай бұрын
The isdue was with the new Stadium not the team. They been under transfer restrictions for like 3 or 4 windows.
@Dunc25535
@Dunc25535 9 ай бұрын
Everton are very lucky there 3 horrific teams this season because they would be relegated any other season
@colingeddes2172
@colingeddes2172 9 ай бұрын
💯
@kcxy06
@kcxy06 9 ай бұрын
Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton all looking relegation worthy is the only thing that will save Everton. They are indeed very lucky. That's the reason they will probably survive. Same with Fulham, if it wasn't for those three teams then Fulham could have been in serious trouble this season too, they do not look good tbh
@Rob-hy8vb
@Rob-hy8vb 9 ай бұрын
Justice for Everton!....nah just kidding 😂
@morganator4874
@morganator4874 9 ай бұрын
Good one, had me in stitches there mate.
@fishler1
@fishler1 9 ай бұрын
They know the rule. I’m a Derby fan and we got hammered for ffp rules.
@DontTestMeAtall
@DontTestMeAtall 8 ай бұрын
It's not excessive the punishment they got. There has to teeth in these decision making otherwise they won't take it seriously. The problem is that the Premier league has not treated bigger clubs that way and that's the failure. The Citys and Chelseas need to have same or worst treatment if found guilty
@georgisaksson7500
@georgisaksson7500 9 ай бұрын
the madness isn't the points deduction from Everton, but how Chelsea and City can get away with the shenanigans they do year after year !"! Absolute madness .
@aaronwhitfield4663
@aaronwhitfield4663 9 ай бұрын
"Man United’s stance is that they were penalised because of unforeseen changes in how UEFA treat the losses and were unable to adjust for €47m of Covid losses during the 2022 monitoring period." They were fined £300,000, Everton 10 points deduction for a relatively similar issue 😮
@adamturner8217
@adamturner8217 9 ай бұрын
I just read Burnley Leeds Leicester are looking to sue Everton 300 million…and that would finish Everton off
@Sutty0151
@Sutty0151 9 ай бұрын
No chance it’s already in the report Everton didn’t gain a sporting advantage those tinpot clubs can keep clutching at straws
@GYT923
@GYT923 9 ай бұрын
City fans must be nervous now the bar has been set. If the FA are even slightly consistent, they'll relegate them to the 4th division... But I'm sure a few brown paper envelopes and Rolex's left in hotel rooms of FA board members will change that real quick.
@paramountfootballtv6432
@paramountfootballtv6432 9 ай бұрын
City did same, city deserve point deduction too
@russellward4624
@russellward4624 9 ай бұрын
No they didn't.
@kylewalkerr
@kylewalkerr 9 ай бұрын
They are charges. Guilty until proven guilty.
@philgallier3037
@philgallier3037 9 ай бұрын
even if City do get a massive point deduction they will still win the league
@jak4403
@jak4403 9 ай бұрын
​@@philgallier3037the championship you mean
@philgallier3037
@philgallier3037 9 ай бұрын
@@jak4403 Look let's face it City are too big a club to be given a points deduction, the premier league need city to boost their image so we may be hit with a £10 fine at the most
@bigpoppaHH69
@bigpoppaHH69 9 ай бұрын
Coming from the Everton fan
@DaraEditz
@DaraEditz 9 ай бұрын
He’s a liverpool fan and a former liverpool player
@oddy532
@oddy532 9 ай бұрын
​@@DaraEditzhe was Everton as kid, sure he followed them in Europe as a young lad with his old man
@sib1930
@sib1930 9 ай бұрын
​@@oddy532Not anymore pal
@oddy532
@oddy532 9 ай бұрын
@sib1930 if you followed a club as a kid all over England and abroad I'm sure you would still have a certain degree of love for them surely
@Southpaw.m
@Southpaw.m 9 ай бұрын
Cara miss interpreted the last question, i believe the host was referring to Gylfi when stating "player-x"
@JoeStocker
@JoeStocker 9 ай бұрын
The Italian league have done it for years ripped their entire league apart but it is starting to become strong again
@Pipkins0263
@Pipkins0263 9 ай бұрын
Carragher I want to play for Everton now 1:21 😂
@BlackstarBeast
@BlackstarBeast 9 ай бұрын
Jamie is no stranger to lenient punishment given the fact he still works for sky, no wonder he think it’s harsh
@tlewtree
@tlewtree 9 ай бұрын
Hey! Hi. Luton Town fan here. 10 points is excessive is it?
@RaseYourProbs
@RaseYourProbs 9 ай бұрын
Strange how the PL only take action when Everton are in a position to take the 10point hit. Why now? Why not last season? Clearly they worked with everton and both parties agreed itd be best timing to take the hit now.
@russl9582
@russl9582 9 ай бұрын
It’s really not strange. This was always the date they were being investigated? It’s strange that the two or three clubs that were relegated last season are trying to fine them, these clubs wanted the investigation ‘fast tracked’ which was literally never going to happen.
@Mac_Kymera
@Mac_Kymera 9 ай бұрын
Man City are not really that worried... although this news has just risen their bung payments to £1b.
@sidemenxixshorts3910
@sidemenxixshorts3910 9 ай бұрын
Bro acting like it's the end of evertons season bro they need 1 win and they out of the bottom 3 😂😂
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