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How the secret service succumbed to 'diversity hires' - with Roger Kimball | SpectatorTV

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@JohnM-du8nv
@JohnM-du8nv Ай бұрын
Trump can also thank the short ‘diversity’ hire for the ultimate victory photo. Anyone over 6ft would have ruined it!
@idaniaportal6768
@idaniaportal6768 Ай бұрын
Gross negligence at best.
@bradpederson4510
@bradpederson4510 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@spudwesth
@spudwesth Ай бұрын
Intentional.
@jennyjessop576
@jennyjessop576 Ай бұрын
Certainly gross negligence....thankfully DT saved himself...only just. What a miracle.
@anandrew6641
@anandrew6641 Ай бұрын
As an American citizen, I find this show fascinating. Thank you gentleman!
@paulcotter821
@paulcotter821 Ай бұрын
At last on the Spectator, someone who is not anti Trump.
@jdg9999
@jdg9999 Ай бұрын
Yep, based vibes for once.
@FraserBailey-jm5yz
@FraserBailey-jm5yz Ай бұрын
Yes, after 44 years as a reader I unsubbed recently due to the anti-Trump, anti-Reform rhetoric from the Spectator. Can anyone tell me if Bidochon has publicly eaten humble pie following his unwise bet on the Tories?
@flaggerify
@flaggerify Ай бұрын
As if that's a good thing.
@L_Martin
@L_Martin Ай бұрын
Even then the tone was pretty glib. Very weird, it’s like Trump is not a human to media people, it becomes a joke almost instantly.
@ahartify
@ahartify Ай бұрын
I thought they were all pro Trump at the Spectator.
@freecat1278
@freecat1278 Ай бұрын
Was she responsible for Coca Cola's "don't be white" campaign?
@martinleavitt6094
@martinleavitt6094 Ай бұрын
@@freecat1278 Probably..🙈
@MegaDc02
@MegaDc02 Ай бұрын
@@freecat1278 It was "Be less white" and I haven't bought a coke since.
@craigo2656
@craigo2656 Ай бұрын
Wow, there is someone at the Spectator that doesn't worship at the alter of mass migration.
@panthersprung5161
@panthersprung5161 Ай бұрын
The what?
@GaryPeters-nv8pj
@GaryPeters-nv8pj Ай бұрын
@@panthersprung5161 Try to keep up.
@chelseapoet3664
@chelseapoet3664 Ай бұрын
I'm a subscriber to The Spectator and I highly rate the magazine but I agree with many commenters that it's totally inappropriate to be joking and giggling about this event, especially so soon. Was it filmed after a long "lunch" down the pub?
@jonathansamuel7033
@jonathansamuel7033 Ай бұрын
Come on ….We’re British and we see the humour in everything . Watch monty python life of brian , crucifixion scene - ‘Always Look on the light side of life ‘ When brits were brits . ( turning point came with princess diana death ; public outpourings of grief - not British . Earnest po faced seriousness when discussing ‘serious’ matters - not British . Lighten up chaps .
@seniorelzappo9919
@seniorelzappo9919 Ай бұрын
Im ashamed to say id never heard of Roger Kimball , but I find him very charming and entertaining so will find more , His description of Biden's press secretary as a "muppet" is perfect !
@FEiSTYFEVER
@FEiSTYFEVER Ай бұрын
He has a number of books which are excellent. I, fortunately have most of them. If you're interested in one, I'd recommend picking up 'The Long March' first.
@seniorelzappo9919
@seniorelzappo9919 Ай бұрын
@@FEiSTYFEVER I will , thank you.
@DieFlabbergast
@DieFlabbergast Ай бұрын
An insult to muppets, if you ask me.
@kenshort5109
@kenshort5109 Ай бұрын
Smug narcissist
@ahartify
@ahartify Ай бұрын
@@seniorelzappo9919 Two creeps who would like to see a gangster get into power.
@billturner6564
@billturner6564 Ай бұрын
Freddie is doing a hell of a lot of Giggling both here and the last video ... what the hell ??? This is a bloody nightmare come to life Trump could so very easily killed there is a wonderful father and husband dead and his family is bereaved This is a horrible attitude....
@doodlebrighton124
@doodlebrighton124 Ай бұрын
Agreed. The previous video with 'Never Trumper' Kate Andrews was in very poor taste.
@billturner6564
@billturner6564 Ай бұрын
@@doodlebrighton124 it was the same thing lots of nervous giggles ... so very inappropriate
@ahartify
@ahartify Ай бұрын
@@billturner6564 Two dubious 'aesthetes' who thinks it's all rather a laugh, the same kind who would have admired Hitler back in the day, and there were many of them.
@CatherinePhillips-pj4nr
@CatherinePhillips-pj4nr 29 күн бұрын
It's called witty conversation....there's no lack of seriousness...but the two men are enjoying talking to eachother...they're just enjoying their jobs!
@jonwarren8757
@jonwarren8757 Ай бұрын
An amusing and inciteful piece. Thank you from Australia
@flaggerify
@flaggerify Ай бұрын
Insightful.
@robertcook2572
@robertcook2572 Ай бұрын
​@@flaggerify😂😂😂
@gabriellecunningham7196
@gabriellecunningham7196 Ай бұрын
​@@robertcook2572😹🇦🇺
@Isewein
@Isewein Ай бұрын
Inciteful is quite alright. Disappointing that the Speccy would have someone spin Jan 6 conspiracy theories on air without a rebuttal.
@robertcook2572
@robertcook2572 Ай бұрын
@@Isewein I tire of adverserial pieces. Far better to let someone express his view and then rebut it yourself where necessary. If you need someone to rebut it for you then you should question your own intelligence
@laurelvanwilligen9787
@laurelvanwilligen9787 Ай бұрын
Cauliflower ear? Is this funny to you? Expected better from The Spectator.
@MaliciousChickenAgenda
@MaliciousChickenAgenda Ай бұрын
I don’t expect any kind of decent behaviour from 90% of journalists these days, that way I don’t get disappointed.
@sweetfreedom999
@sweetfreedom999 Ай бұрын
Low class humour from the snobbish, pseudo, intellectual Spectator hacks. They're a boring, gutless lot, all have the same politics, same narrative, while naval gazing in their champagne socialist, echo chamber.
@v6math
@v6math Ай бұрын
I imagine you get invited to lots of parties.
@mattreal1095
@mattreal1095 Ай бұрын
its whats referred to when the ear is exposed to sevre trauma… google image it.
@dominiquecharriere1285
@dominiquecharriere1285 Ай бұрын
The question is not how they failed him but WHY!
@ruthirwin8222
@ruthirwin8222 Ай бұрын
Exactly
@fireworkboy
@fireworkboy Ай бұрын
Strangely tone deaf, given the seriousness of the issue. Critics of Trump suggest he cheapens and coursens political discourse, but The Spectator's choice of 'chummy banter' to discuss these events does just the same thing. I'm usually a fan of the paper - this conversation was juvenile and disappointing.
@DarkLord-iz7vk
@DarkLord-iz7vk Ай бұрын
To be fair, being utterly sombre about it will not bring anyone dead back to life, nor reduce the threats to democracy and law and order that this assassination attempt highlighted.
@fredforsythe8310
@fredforsythe8310 Ай бұрын
Or did they fail the establishment?
@scottpeter5704
@scottpeter5704 Ай бұрын
The Spectator trying to play it both ways, while staying on the MSM narrative
@ArtU4All
@ArtU4All Ай бұрын
Ponytail is is definitely NOT the hairdo to wear to the job where you might be in very close proximity to other and have to turn your head fast and many times
@9pwsscamel369
@9pwsscamel369 Ай бұрын
The tone is wrong here. Too flippant considering someone murdered and two critically injured. Disappointing from Spectator TV
@greenbeagle13
@greenbeagle13 Ай бұрын
I agree. Each guy is trying to be comical - totally disrespectful.
@shivsnorman
@shivsnorman Ай бұрын
I agree. Those other poor souls and their families seem to have been totally forgotten by the media 😢😠
@jackhenry290
@jackhenry290 Ай бұрын
I think we all know what 100 coincidences that happen simultaneously means……..
@georgetsagaris4470
@georgetsagaris4470 Ай бұрын
To sow confusion just accuse the opposition of the very thing that you are doing.
@FC-PeakVersatility
@FC-PeakVersatility Ай бұрын
We often blame others of what we ourselves are guilty
@robertbushey7656
@robertbushey7656 Ай бұрын
Gross negligence is a statement used by people who are afraid to tell the truth!!!
@goa9034
@goa9034 Ай бұрын
Roger Kimball is a great MAGA thinker
@simony2801
@simony2801 Ай бұрын
Maga and thinker are mutually exclusive.
@ahartify
@ahartify Ай бұрын
@@goa9034 A thinker? Surely putting MAGA and thought together is an oxymoron?
@Digger903
@Digger903 Ай бұрын
You want a more diverse election?
@christianwestling2019
@christianwestling2019 Ай бұрын
​@@ahartify Shut up, nerd.
@jallen1227
@jallen1227 Ай бұрын
@@ahartify Why is nationalism, aka MAGA, a problem ? Guess this is why the UK is a husk of what it once was
@debl9957
@debl9957 Ай бұрын
We saw how well the two brunettes (and the blonde, but at least the blonde tried to protect Trump) did ... They both appeared to be scared senseless. Saw that the short stubby brunette can crouch pretty well to hide herself.
@user-ke8gx4zc9s
@user-ke8gx4zc9s Ай бұрын
CEO's need to be getting into positions of power to improve and maintain the organisation, NOT TO PUSH FOR MORE WOMEN AND DIVERSITY HIRES. Woke is now lowering standards to a poor level and destroying everything...to dangerous levels.
@anthonymichaelwilson8401
@anthonymichaelwilson8401 Ай бұрын
The security sniper was not allowed to fire for 3 minutes ???
@sobraine123
@sobraine123 Ай бұрын
how do you know ?
@martinleavitt6094
@martinleavitt6094 Ай бұрын
I heard that also..crazy..🤔
@cynthiaguest4509
@cynthiaguest4509 Ай бұрын
Apparently they are allowed to fire without permission
@jeffholt9437
@jeffholt9437 Ай бұрын
Agree with other comments left here - a great interview, a great interviewee and a high brow history lesson all in one!
@3366larryandrews
@3366larryandrews Ай бұрын
Roger is hilarious... I like this guy. Great interview.
@pn5721
@pn5721 Ай бұрын
At 8:00. "It doesn't help women's emmpowerment to give them jobs for which they are not qualified or suited and which, btw, endanger other people. And why? To soothe the politically correct sentiments of people who have outrun their own limitations. " Roger Kimball quoting Megyn Kelly about these female "FBI agents" physically incapable of guarding Trump
@mcgee113
@mcgee113 Ай бұрын
All due respects, you are not experts. You are speculating and passing it off as facts. Only people who know what happened and where the failings were are those who were there. You have done as much as the rest of us and watched what has been made available so far.
@jeffswingdancer8302
@jeffswingdancer8302 Ай бұрын
These guys aren't getting this completely straight and need to review their competence. The director of the Secret Service was an agent for decades and then retired and became a corporate security chief. Because Biden knew her from when she protected him many years ago, he asked her to come back to government and take the job. So, no -- she didn't make a career out of guarding chips before taking control of the agency. However, I agree that it appears from the actions of bumbling agents that diversity and equal outcomes" were favored over ability to do the job effectively.
@cbjgdicad1
@cbjgdicad1 Ай бұрын
What about the female secret service agent who left Trump unprotected by bending down on the stairs to pick up his hat...
@greenbeagle13
@greenbeagle13 Ай бұрын
Motherly reaction, I suppose. Females should not be in these types of jobs. Mals and females are different - we need to get back to that belief.
@ahartify
@ahartify Ай бұрын
@@cbjgdicad1 Yes, what about her!
@cbjgdicad1
@cbjgdicad1 Ай бұрын
@@ahartify A hat doesn't need protecting...
@fightfish3265
@fightfish3265 Ай бұрын
As Biden would say... "4 words, D E I."
@champ5316
@champ5316 Ай бұрын
Watch the Hat when Trump drops it. She picks it up, the other agent takes it out of her hand. What is so important about this hat?
@Liddledriver
@Liddledriver Ай бұрын
This should be titled How the Secret Service purposely failed the president.
@r.c.7762
@r.c.7762 Ай бұрын
Why is this Brit giggling, a man died, and 2 in critical condition.😢
@annashaw858
@annashaw858 Ай бұрын
What a wonderful guest! Fabulous chat!
@Adam-oy1vp
@Adam-oy1vp Ай бұрын
Mark my words, this matter is not over with.!
@merocaine
@merocaine Ай бұрын
The blonde woman did a solid job, it was the other ones who seemed to be impostors.
@errynarnold1456
@errynarnold1456 Ай бұрын
Would not let the US secret service “ guard” my dog whilst at work…😳
@geoffshaw8053
@geoffshaw8053 Ай бұрын
Incompetant women
@coryparni3620
@coryparni3620 Ай бұрын
The ss blokes did look good tho with their haircuts and shades . They clearly been practising haircutts .
@GunnarL777
@GunnarL777 Ай бұрын
LoL ... I think You Made the Absolute Best Commentary and Analysis - And Highly Human and British sense of LoL ... / Thank You. Much Love. gharia
@TerfMail
@TerfMail Ай бұрын
Females? You mean women? As in "adult human females". Cheers. TM-
@ancienbelge
@ancienbelge Ай бұрын
Cheatle needs to go, but she actually did have a long career in the Secret Service (1995-2018), the last two years as Deputy Assistant Director. The Pepsi / Cheetos came afterward.
@DerDudelino
@DerDudelino Ай бұрын
Is there a reason those female agents were not supported? If I'd be a tall agent and see my colleague really struggling shielding off Trump - who is a massive dude, he is very tall, I''d just help and not wait by the car. I'm sure they all have their jobs to do, but why were so many agents assigned to protect the motorcade and so little to be with Trump after he was shot? 5 agents with Trump, counted over 15 at the motorcade.
@freecat1278
@freecat1278 Ай бұрын
Projection is usually done subconsciously, this is the Josef Goebels technique.
@paulabennett4788
@paulabennett4788 Ай бұрын
Theres more to this than meets the eye.....oh sorry, I mean the ear.....
@LondonBrazilianDancers
@LondonBrazilianDancers Ай бұрын
Gorgeous voice, dear interviewer..😊
@paulbrowne9501
@paulbrowne9501 Ай бұрын
It absolutely wasn't a lapse in competence. Absolutely not a chance.
@user-bq1fu5kd7l
@user-bq1fu5kd7l Ай бұрын
Complete incompetence Or Malicious indifference
@jadenkrosis3087
@jadenkrosis3087 Ай бұрын
Interesting new way of saying "ballot box" @17:00
@BehindThePringles
@BehindThePringles Ай бұрын
"Unsavoury migrants" - BASED.
@Cotictimmy
@Cotictimmy Ай бұрын
I seem to remember Colonel Qaddafi of Libya had female body guards (but I don't think they were midgets.) 🤣
@GaryPeters-nv8pj
@GaryPeters-nv8pj Ай бұрын
And what happened to him?
@countiblis1246
@countiblis1246 Ай бұрын
circa 1:32 Like any typical working class stiff, the first thing I thought of when I heard about this was "Aristotle's four-fold schema (sic) of causation". Though I worded it more like "Fuck me, that was one seriously lucky escape."
@FreddieBB1989
@FreddieBB1989 Ай бұрын
So “illegal migration” has technically saved his life 😂
@conrad4667
@conrad4667 Ай бұрын
Overall, I’m glad I reconsidered and listened to the entirety after turning this off at the 2:00 minute mark.
@graememoir3545
@graememoir3545 Ай бұрын
Freddy you have smug TDS
@mbgghh6543
@mbgghh6543 Ай бұрын
@@graememoir3545 “deranged”, really? What are you going to say when something is really deranged? You’re going to be out of hyperboles.
@GaryPeters-nv8pj
@GaryPeters-nv8pj Ай бұрын
​@@mbgghh6543 Nah, he's spot on. You're either ignorantly desensitised or just stupid. You chose.
@LanguageCrab
@LanguageCrab Ай бұрын
Once you get over the selection of ties, it was a very enjoyable conversation. Laughs, even.
@user-ux9sy1qz4s
@user-ux9sy1qz4s Ай бұрын
Same shirt and tie as yesterday, eminently frugal
@user-ux9sy1qz4s
@user-ux9sy1qz4s Ай бұрын
@@MyPronounIsGoddess I had gathered that
@stuartcockroft4365
@stuartcockroft4365 Ай бұрын
My favourite moment!!!!
@scottcoley1906
@scottcoley1906 Ай бұрын
Communist News Network: exactly 😂
@brucespeirs5227
@brucespeirs5227 Ай бұрын
What hell are women doing working as security guards???
@NadimAJ
@NadimAJ Ай бұрын
@brucespeirs5227 Gadaffi's were way nicer though.
@DieFlabbergast
@DieFlabbergast Ай бұрын
The Dems worship at the shrine of DEI.
@Parpl22
@Parpl22 Ай бұрын
Guarding bags of cheetos
@christianwestling2019
@christianwestling2019 Ай бұрын
Where can I find more from Mr Kimball?
@mattbrown5949
@mattbrown5949 Ай бұрын
How did Bill Krystal get influence anyway?
@posmoo9790
@posmoo9790 Ай бұрын
this guy really thinks he is witty and insightful, but he's not quite the hot shit he thinks he is. he should tone it down a bit and just answer the questions. I agree with his politics but he is manner is off putting.
@just_another32
@just_another32 Ай бұрын
a smart alec. I enjoyed listening though
@EasyTiger.01343
@EasyTiger.01343 Ай бұрын
I’ve heard a few people say the same about you. But who’s counting?
@amcluesent
@amcluesent Ай бұрын
He was a bit pompous
@constantquestioning4010
@constantquestioning4010 Ай бұрын
Self satisfied, flippant imposter Thinks he’s a great Brit wit More big nit Thinks he’s a super Freudian analyst.
@AndyJarman
@AndyJarman Ай бұрын
My grandmother told me never to trust anyone in a bowtie.
@RetroGamesCollector
@RetroGamesCollector Ай бұрын
2 words to add to your thumbnail title... On purpose.
@KeyserSoze1972
@KeyserSoze1972 Ай бұрын
Police was written on the back jacket
@scottpulver
@scottpulver Ай бұрын
Aloofness is weak
@daisuke6072
@daisuke6072 Ай бұрын
The question is: WHY did they fail Trump?
@AmyWhittlesey-
@AmyWhittlesey- Ай бұрын
Way to make a Yankee proud Mr Kimball!❤
@victoryforvictims3522
@victoryforvictims3522 Ай бұрын
@victoryforvictims3522 0 seconds ago A meritocracy could have any number of women or any other. A percentage mandate, a polarities of discrimination, and etc. are not meritocracy.
@raymundt.5661
@raymundt.5661 Ай бұрын
He was saved by Divine Intervention!
@TarulWarlord
@TarulWarlord Ай бұрын
All hail King Trump of America...
@andyxox4168
@andyxox4168 Ай бұрын
Hey, Donald … Duck !
@chocksaway100
@chocksaway100 Ай бұрын
Americans, you are so incredibly fortunate to have such an authentic, courageous future President in Trump.
@ahartify
@ahartify Ай бұрын
@@chocksaway100 Eh? A crook like that?
@albey000
@albey000 Ай бұрын
@@ahartifyalways plenty of TDS oozing throughout the comments. Have a snack and go take a nap.
@freecat1278
@freecat1278 Ай бұрын
Obama said there were 57 states.
@idaniaportal6768
@idaniaportal6768 Ай бұрын
@@freecat1278 I hear he's not from the states...
@martinleavitt6094
@martinleavitt6094 Ай бұрын
You hear correct..
@mike24mb
@mike24mb Ай бұрын
It's quite obvious you both have a dislike for trump you are both a pair of?
@TheZumph
@TheZumph Ай бұрын
always thought this Freddy guy was a non WEF nah they all are
@jamie-we6yn
@jamie-we6yn Ай бұрын
Where did Sam Leith’s article go?
@Dpat14
@Dpat14 Ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure you missed 2 words out from the title ... " to get ' should be inserted
@basilrichards4205
@basilrichards4205 Ай бұрын
Roger Kimball talks sense - more so than Freddy. At last the spectator is beginning to be slightly reasonable......time for major changes at the spectator long overdue.
@lebhd6895
@lebhd6895 Ай бұрын
Excellent interview!
@aulusagerius7127
@aulusagerius7127 Ай бұрын
That was interesting, I have to say - both of them.
@Amen-sx3mp
@Amen-sx3mp Ай бұрын
Why don't you just say women as opposed to diversity hires? What have men from minority backgrounds got to do with this??
@Robert-nm4tz
@Robert-nm4tz Ай бұрын
The problem of overcorrection for past discrimination manifests itself in multiple ways. The supposed justification for the overcorrection comes from a common mindset. The mindset of quotas and equality of outcome, rather than equality of opportunity. The mindset of making decisions based on identity and political ideology, rather than based on merit. The mindset that you're on the right side of history if you decide not to appoint a straight, cis, white male.
@washeduphasbeen7580
@washeduphasbeen7580 Ай бұрын
Thats not a teleprompter. Its an IMAX screen. Joey all you had to do is read.
@user-gr3eb4gv6e
@user-gr3eb4gv6e Ай бұрын
They were involved
@xfoolsgoldx
@xfoolsgoldx Ай бұрын
The left conspired to kill Trump or The Secret service is has the intelligence of Homer Simpson🤪
@user-qq4yv5gl3s
@user-qq4yv5gl3s Ай бұрын
I made the mistake of thinking there may be some serious analysis here - my bad, as the Americans say.
@GodsOwnPrototype
@GodsOwnPrototype Ай бұрын
Krystal, Goldberg & Rubin you say?...
@peterforsythe3643
@peterforsythe3643 Ай бұрын
‘ave a late night, Freddy??
@FEiSTYFEVER
@FEiSTYFEVER Ай бұрын
This is a waste of Roger Kimball's intelligence and expertise. He is far better versed at the topic of cultural degradation than on current events.
@tom5216
@tom5216 Ай бұрын
An American talking tripe.
@murrayeldred3563
@murrayeldred3563 Ай бұрын
As expected....same old....same old...
@andy1way
@andy1way Ай бұрын
Errr err errr! Gone.
@judithdavidson2356
@judithdavidson2356 Ай бұрын
This man is obnoxious
@MZig-rw7su
@MZig-rw7su Ай бұрын
I just bought a jar of Piccalilli for half price in the supermarket.
@FC-PeakVersatility
@FC-PeakVersatility Ай бұрын
Excellent bargain
@AndyJarman
@AndyJarman Ай бұрын
Where? How much of it was on the shelf?
@harveyneedleman817
@harveyneedleman817 Ай бұрын
I didn't know it is still available. I haven't seen it for years.
@tcbph
@tcbph Ай бұрын
They should stick to discussing the political aspects because they are not military or security experts. They're analysis of the Secret Service tactics and operations were laughable.
@MasterMalrubius
@MasterMalrubius Ай бұрын
Tell us your background and what they got wrong.
@roygardiner2229
@roygardiner2229 Ай бұрын
"They're" ==> Their. THAT was almost laughable.
@TheOrientalistReport
@TheOrientalistReport Ай бұрын
@@MasterMalrubius Well they didn't discuss layered security perimeters and who was responsible for each one, tier scanning for threats, the speed/actions of the counter snipers, lines of defense, weaponry and Secret Service tactics. Instead we get, 'Oh the female agent looked funny when she was bundling him in the car'. Go and watch something like Task & Purpose for a proper military analysis, not these amateurs.
@AeronwenTrewent
@AeronwenTrewent Ай бұрын
What a bizarre interview. Even if you have someone on who is blatently misogynistic and also rewrites history for their political agenda I woudl expect a competent interviewer to push back on that.
@paulprice8541
@paulprice8541 Ай бұрын
Re the incompetent tiny female bodyguards? He is only saying what KJK is saying. And they are both correct. Only a genderwoo idiot would say otherwise. Also, the only person called a genius during this interview happened to be a woman, Susie Wiles - that’s a piss poor “misogynist”
@andrewstorm8240
@andrewstorm8240 Ай бұрын
What a load of rubbish being talked
@EasyTiger.01343
@EasyTiger.01343 Ай бұрын
This Kimball is an overflowing toilet of a man. Are they short of proper guests? Is it the summer holiday season?
@AndyJarman
@AndyJarman Ай бұрын
Excellent expression, excellent.
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He’s a pompous, flippant, conceited wind bag 😂
@kiwigrunt330
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Plenty of right wing snowflakes on this comment section complaining about 'poor taste'...
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