It took Games Workshop TWENTY YEARS to get these rules right!

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Жыл бұрын

I take a look inside the brand new Battle for Osgiliath box for the Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game (MESBG) and review the contents. Is this box a dream for Lord of the Rings fans or does it miss the mark? Are Games Workshop finally learning from their rules mistakes?!
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@theotherwill2221 Жыл бұрын

In my opinion, they got the core rules right when they first released the MESBG. It's just been polishing a gem since then.

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

You’ve hit the nail on the head there!

@pieter-janvandevoorde852 Жыл бұрын

The rule book is a masterpiece lovin the structure and layout of it + the most important rule is a divine way of making a good community! Great video benji!

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! The last set of rules was pretty top notch so having all the extra refinements in one place is really nice!

@marmosetfreund8506 Жыл бұрын

Super exciting! This game deserves more love from GW (more redesigned plastic minis would be perfect). More youtube coverage could help push GW in that direction.

@kaibe5241 Жыл бұрын

No it wouldn't. It doesn't sell enough. That's why every single fucking 40k release space marines get a whole slew of new miniatures, books, and re-dos. It's why they redesigned fantasy into AoS as a new game - FAntasy made them no money.

@Gumball_Watterson1997 Жыл бұрын

@@kaibe5241 old war gamers like the crappy 40k stuff, but new ones tend to prefer various setting and iconic ones such as sw or lotr

@EmbraCraig Жыл бұрын

I think the evil side of the box is the only let down for me - if the orcs had been some warg riders and Mordor orcs, I’d have ordered this already. Two reasons - remove the crossover with Pelennor fields box - more cavalry in the box would be a good thing from a rule-learning perspective. I’m a big fan of getting proper terrain in a starter box though - even reducing the model count to make room for it, it makes the box so much more useful as a beginner.

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

Warg riders would have been a brilliant idea 👍🏼 I agree, the crossover with Pelennor was a big letdown.

@samk2013 Жыл бұрын

Would love to see you tackle painting all the figures in here! Great vid man

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

I’ll definitely be painting some of these guys up soon 😊

@foehammer1172 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree with all your points! It's really great to see terrain back in the starter kit. Can't wait to pick it up!

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

The terrain feels so undervalued! Can’t wait to put mine together over the weekend. Did you pick up the box yourself?

@foehammer1172 Жыл бұрын

@@BenjisHobbies not yet. I was going to wait for the Christmas release, but didn't think they'd start shipping so early. I have painted up my old Gothmogs, some morannons and the old Osgiliath terrain in anticipation however! Working on a troll ATM 😂

@Nat1videos Жыл бұрын

Great video! That is an amazing set, its on my Christmas list... hoping to not get socks again this year

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

Thanks dude! It really is a great box! I have my fingers crossed for you - although socks do always come in handy!

@ItsQuiteCool Жыл бұрын

I pre ordered this too! And in the time frame to get it before Christmas, got the email it's on its way today 😁

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

Amazing! I hope you enjoy it as much as I am 😁

@TheMylesrules Жыл бұрын

Defo a great starter set. Can’t wait to get my hands on it! as an existing sbg player even though I have a ton of Gondor but always wanted to have a city based themed Gondor army 😅

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

I’ve got a pretty big city based Minas Tirith army, so I’m either going to do these as Ithilien based warriors, or maybe a more ruined city 😊 Always nice to have some extra minis 😊

@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth Жыл бұрын

Great vid man. I need 1 or 5 of these in my life! Best ruleset ever. Orc sprew swap would have been the icing on the cake

@harazhangf5782 Жыл бұрын

Need to try MESBG intesifies !!! But I can't for now, I said to myself I'd finish painting my Dwarves and Space Marines before tackling my Gondorians et Uruk Haï. So they will have to wait a little more.

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

Always good to get some projects finished and out of the way before moving on to the next one 😊

@harazhangf5782 Жыл бұрын

@@BenjisHobbies Exactly. And there is my Tomb Kings I need to put somewhere in there too. I was thinking about doing a bit of a mini painting break to concentrate on terrain. But that video made me rethink that idea. I need to get to my MESBG minis.

@horuslv3 Жыл бұрын

I cant wait for my copy. I ordered from imps gaming and have no delivery details as of yet (I’m checking 2 times a day haha) But i am absolutely amazed with this box. It got so much stick for not been worth it cos you got like 17 less models but the terrain massively makes up for it. Assuming the ruin kit will be the same as a rohan house (1 of each sprue side) for the same price) this box is amazing value and I will be buying a second like I did pelennor!

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Four sprues of terrain is a LOT of plastic and personally I’d prefer to have some terrain rather than extra models in a ‘starter’ box. Terrain is definitely undervalued!

@horuslv3 Жыл бұрын

@@BenjisHobbies I finally got my set two days ago and am so happy with the terrain in person. Will be building it tonight I think 😬 More models we all already have for a starter set isn’t great imo. For a new player there is just enough to start a decent army and the booklet scenarios are perfect for new players from what i can see.

@eifpr0n Жыл бұрын

Great to see you posting new content again. Can't wait for more MESBG see stuff!

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

Thanks Doctor Divine! Definitely got a lot more MESBG planned, don’t you worry 😊

@masterballuk6780 Жыл бұрын

Mine arrived today but got to for xmas can't wait !

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

Nice! It’ll be worth the wait 😊

@wonderboy2402 Жыл бұрын

No new army book, right? I might get the new rule book.

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

Exactly this! It’s a refinement of the rulebook but every other army and source book stays the same 😊

@SpoonyBard88 Жыл бұрын

If I didn't already have the Pellenor Field box, I would be very interested in one of these new boxes. But I think I have enough orcs and enough men of Rohan, so Osgiliath, Mordor, and Rohan boxes are kinda redundant.

@liberalhyena9760 Жыл бұрын

Please clarify a couple of points if you don’t mind. Is the hardback rule book included? I initially thought the other, soft back, book shown was the version included in the box but this appears to include only scenarios, unless I missed something. I’m also trying to work out why you said GW have “finally got the rules right after 20 years” if they haven’t changed. To my mind that suggests they didn’t need changing, in which case they’d already got them right.

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

It includes both the hardback rules AND the scenario and profile book. They’ve changed them slightly from the last edition, incorporating all of the minor changes and FAQs from the last four years, so essentially they’ve refined the last rulebook to make this one, so this is finally the ‘ultimate’ version of the rules - a culmination of 20 years of refinements!

@liberalhyena9760 Жыл бұрын

Ah, that makes sense, and provides more incentive to get the set, I suppose.

@xagric1840 Жыл бұрын

Can you not order this through GW itself? Can't seem to find it on their website

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

At the moment, no. They took pre-orders which have been sent out but it’s not had an ‘official’ release yet.

@xagric1840 Жыл бұрын

@@BenjisHobbies Ah okay. Makes sense. I'm interested in this miniwargame but not sure how or where to start

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

@@xagric1840 honestly, you can’t go far wrong with this box. All the rules you’ll need to start, plus two decent starter armies plus some terrain in the box. Have a run through the first four scenarios and it’ll give you a good flavour of the game.

@xagric1840 Жыл бұрын

@@BenjisHobbies Okay awesome, thanks

@Sageofthedustypage Жыл бұрын

Nice

@Heathen_Humor Жыл бұрын

great video

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

Thanks Daniel!

@freerider8094 Жыл бұрын

only bad thing about mesbg is the Fight, if you have somebody who rolls above average they will always beat most players. because the above average roller will get to attack while the other player just has to stand there and die.

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

I mean, that could be said of any game though! If you roll above average then chances are you’re likely to win! Do you mean in relation to the higher fight value? Then yes, that’s true as you’ll win on ties, but chances are you’ll have more warriors in the fight as they’re cheaper to field.

@freerider8094 Жыл бұрын

@@BenjisHobbies i agree but lets say i play goblins its great that i can put 3 goblins on one of his guys. but all he has to do is roll a 6 and all 3 of my guys dont get to swing. thats 24 points of models that dont get to swing all because a 10 point model rolled a six. if fight phase was more like 40k the game would be a masterpiece.

@BenjisHobbies Жыл бұрын

I think that when you look at it purely in isolation like that then yes, it does feel a bit broken. However as soon as you add in things like banner re-rolls, spear supports, trapping etc it becomes a very different game than just the 1v1 (or 1v3) as in your example. Realistically though, that elf isn’t always going to roll a 6, so being trapped by 3 goblins isn’t a great place to be for that elf!