Watch This BEFORE Starting In Networking

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If you're interested in starting a career as a network engineer, this is the video for you! In this video, we'll teach you everything you need to know to get started, from the basics of networking to the skills you need to build a successful career as a network engineer. We'll cover everything from how to get started to the important components of a successful network engineering career. Thank you for watching!
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0:00 ⏩ Keith Bogart
1:50 ⏩ Cisco CCNA
4:08 ⏩ Resources for CCNA
6:30 ⏩ CCNP lab Options
8:04 ⏩ What's After CCNA
10:10 ⏩ Get a Job With No Experience
14:26 ⏩ Impact of Cloud and AI on Networking
18:36 ⏩ Who Should Get Cisco's CCIE
21:55 ⏩ Get Your First Networking Job
26:10 ⏩ Keeping Current
30:44 ⏩ Keep Learning
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@michaelmorano 6 ай бұрын

I don't know if Keith will ever see this but thank you for your videos and helping me pass my CCNA. I got a job immediately after getting it and it has literally changed the trajectory of my life. Amazing video. I'm still bummed my company no longer provides INE access.

@wolffang209 17 күн бұрын

What other things did you have to land your job, I have my CCNA and I cant find any networking jobs that will take me. I have a security+ and network+ with some college certifications as well. What job did you get.

@MegaMijit 6 ай бұрын

i was one of those people who (because of the military) had to speed thru my certification, then looked for a job in the civilian sector living in fear of being exposed for not knowing much. thankfully, they taught me most of what i didnt know on the job and were super patient. so dont be afraid to start before you're ready, if you land the job then you're ready and/or they'll teach you whatever you need to know.

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

1000% correct!!! start messy and just be determined to learn and you will go far.

@Hey_Harish 7 ай бұрын

I only studied for CCNA years ago and didn't get the cert, but goin thru this path will definitely help me stand out of the rest! Am gonna try to work on to get those !

@hackbauer300 7 ай бұрын

Keith is the truth! I always include his INE content in my networking education resources. Juniper, Cisco, CheckPoint, you name it! Nice to hear he did time in TAC. That's my goal followed by Cisco Crisis Response.

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

he is epic.

@str8gamer964 5 ай бұрын

Getting my CCNA but I’m also seeing a lot of companies are outsourcing

@alonzosmith6189 7 ай бұрын

Tk U for sharing, will look into the INE courses

@em1kid28546 7 ай бұрын

I really appreciate Keith's honesty and his practical perspective. In my social circle, the common advice is usually just to get your CCNA and call it a day. But as he mentioned, it looks like everyone has the CCNA and pushing for ENCORE is potentially away to stick out. Additionally, something that hasn't been emphasized enough is volunteering or shadowing someone in the field. It might seem daunting, but I'm definitely going to give it a try.

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

I agree.. everyone has their ccna.... You need to make yourself stand out

@tenderwarrior68 7 ай бұрын

At my old IT job there was a contact center agent interested in getting into IT. He approached me for advice. I spoke with my IT Operations supervisor and decided to allow him to shadow us for a month. After coaching him and him continuing to work with us on and off for 3 years he was able to get a entry level IT job at another company. While not the norm it can work, depending on the company.

@michaelm.barnes5465 7 ай бұрын

Better off getting a job after CCNA and get some experience rather than just keep taking certs Keiths courses are fantastic though

@Akihito007 3 ай бұрын

@@tenderwarrior68 So the guy had to shadow for THREE YEARS and then just to get an entry level IT job probably not even paying $45k a year?!? That's GARBAGE!!

@tenderwarrior68 3 ай бұрын

@@Akihito007- He spent 2 months each year for 3 years, not 3 full years. His fulltime job was in the Call Center.

@KenPryor 7 ай бұрын

Really great info! I've gone back and forth on what training and certs I need and this was really great guidance.

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Im glad it was helpful

@tatawjames8161 2 ай бұрын

Am in France struggle to get my ccnn for years now . But with this video I will be learning network for myself till I die no matter the time I will take I know that one day I will get to the top

@cyptowithkelv 27 күн бұрын

See you at the top May God help you

@NickyDekker89 3 ай бұрын

People get so many mixed signals from the industry. One person will tell you networking is dead except for the really senior level so prepare to study for 10 years and the other person is telling you that you can get a job within 1 to 2 years 😋

@oliverprstholm8716 Ай бұрын

If you actually thought about it for a second, networkers are nessesary to maintain a companys IT-infrastructure. Dont know why you would believe networking is dead when its literally a fundamental part of any business

@cinemaofsounds Ай бұрын

networking can never be dead....all we do is rely on data. I don't even know who would even say that.....its actually picking up

@jaywang8862 2 күн бұрын

@@cinemaofsoundsagree, just like electricity, it is a fundamental thing.

@gabrielgreer2037 7 ай бұрын

Getting out of the military soon and hoping to get my first networking job. In the military I am definintly a jack of all trades because some times you can't rely on anyone else to fix your stuff when your in the middle of nowhere. But my main job is on the networking side and I am hoping to get my CCNA soon!

@mistromiks8604 7 ай бұрын

Really looking forward to getting deeper into IT!

@DarthPanda27 7 ай бұрын

Great video, I'm starting my journey into networking and loving it so far.

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Epic, Im glad you liked it

@tenderwarrior68 7 ай бұрын

Great advice, as always. Constantly learning watching your stuff. Constantly referring people to your channel.

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thank you

@jamesberry8195 7 ай бұрын

I needed this video as this is where I want to head professionally. Thank you for everything.

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@mlsandreas 7 ай бұрын

This video-roadmap is a must. Thank you both for all this amazing content!!

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

thank you for watching

@PhilosopherRoger 7 ай бұрын

Straight and to the point from Keith. I love it!

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Epic

@juanfernandogarcia6651 7 ай бұрын

Great video, it is always nice to hear from so experienced mentor in the networking field. Thanks for that.

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

glad you liked it

@jbaezhernandez 3 ай бұрын

I found this channel and I'm loving it. Keep the great content 👌

@TheBeardedITDad 3 ай бұрын

Thanks, will do!

@INEtraining 7 ай бұрын

Keith Bogart is one of the best instructors out there! ⭐Thanks for sharing such a helpful convo, @TheBeardedITDad!

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

He is.. Thank you for letting me barrow him for the afternoon! 😁

@iakaren 7 ай бұрын

I really appreciate what you have shared with this video. Being someone who is looking into a career change, this I learned a lot and I have a much clearer understanding of networking.

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Thats epic.. im glad to help

@Joeyxyx 2 ай бұрын

I very much like your channel. You've got one more subscriber!

@zachfrazier6220 7 ай бұрын

Great video! Thank you for providing us with all of this great information.

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

glad to help

@user-ie1zy3rj3y 5 ай бұрын

This was extremely helpful, I'm pivoting from administrative work with an undergrad degree in Journalism. I've always had strong interests in I.T and networking but wasn't ready to pivot back then. Now, I have more resources, drive, time and a better understanding of what I have to do going foreword and I'm optimistic about starting my journey to get my CCNA! End goal is CCIE but shorter term, CCNA and then CCNP :)

@TheBeardedITDad 5 ай бұрын

That's fantastic to hear! It's never too late to pursue your passion. Best of luck on your journey to get your CCNA and beyond!

@kazi1 10 күн бұрын

Great video!

@DeadFalkor 7 ай бұрын

Although I haven’t been able to find a mentor nor volunteer, after taking networking courses at my local college, they allowed us to lab/ practice all we needed after completing the course.

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

thats epic.. it can be hard to find a mentor.. linkedin can be a great resource for this

@KalTech 7 ай бұрын

Love the video. I am studying for my CCNA now and want to learn more about Cloud, Linux and AI.

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

all great things to learn but don't bite off too much at once

@TankDude 7 ай бұрын

Very insightful and inspiring video! Starting my first pfSense setup soon to keep learning! Keep up the amazing job!

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Im about to build a new pfSense box soon.. its alot of fun

@TankDude 7 ай бұрын

@@TheBeardedITDad Will you make a video about it?

@benjaminmusasizi3777 3 ай бұрын

Thank you sir BeardedITDad for hosting Keith Bogart. What a fantastic instructor. Fun fact: The best cisco instructors have the first name Keith and initials KB. Keith Bogart, Keith Barker

@diantesanford9345 7 ай бұрын

Awesome and informative video, yet again. Thank you 🙏🏾

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thank you

@Ferral11 7 ай бұрын

Completely agree with this advice and I plan to apply it to my own career.

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@zaalpkhoveli9965 7 ай бұрын

I can say that Keith is my best mentor and INE has huge influence passing my CCNA, this man is beyond best, his CCNA course is the best i ever seen, making topics so easy giving such details that you become confident you know that topic. Wish he did CCNP Encor and Enarsi from zero, because it would be best thing ever

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Ill tell him to get on it... lol

@Zetharion1 7 ай бұрын

REALLY great info about additional non networking "IT duties" you should be familiar with. I got a spare computer back up and running and plan to run Hyper V to learn some of these servers.

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful

@arimorooluwatoba9897 7 ай бұрын

Great to see Keith!

@ok_gn 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info!

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Any time!

@allentomlinson8078 7 ай бұрын

woohoo ive loved everything ive seen keith be a part of cannot wait to use his videos to actually learn for a cert

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

He is an epic trainer!

@7onysWorld 7 ай бұрын

Great interview guys. Thank you

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Thank you

@jnc8394 7 ай бұрын

As a pre-university student, I have learnt a lot from your videos and it truly gave me an insight into networking in general. Thank you for putting out your resources online for free, as it really helps people like me who genuinely want to learn.

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Thank you and your welcome..

@antanasnezinau2868 7 ай бұрын

Definitely got some information to take away from this video. Great, informative video, thanks

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Thank you

@Kogen123 7 ай бұрын

This is great practical advice. Thanks!

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

You're very welcome!

@davidgbaigbor784 3 ай бұрын

14:52 very pertinent question ❤

@zarackmid 7 ай бұрын

Great video, keep up the good work!

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thanks, will do!

@aero9409 7 ай бұрын

Very interesting conversation. I didn't know that much about the Cisco certification roadmap, so it's good to know how they fit together and which ones make sense for which situations.

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@philliprgarcia 6 ай бұрын

Great video! I would add that after your CCNA you should figure out if you want to stay on the networking path and if you do you should learn things like Bash, PowerShell, Linux, maybe some programing and automation and then think about your CCNP after all that. Get the basics down and move up from there.

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Great advice.. I leaned into toughs exact 3 things after and to really paid off

@tcrawford8430 6 ай бұрын

⁠@@TheBeardedITDadCan just learning python knock off learning Bash and powershell? I know it can be used for automation.

@newstation795 3 ай бұрын

@@tcrawford8430no you need both Python and Bash. Don’t worry about powershell.

@d3pth3r 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing insights and the giveaways.😊

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

no problem

@MarkdeMoras 7 ай бұрын

Nothing but golden advice. As usual!

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@Denis-kl8ss 7 ай бұрын

love to see Keith here, hes like networking father to me hahah Now you should invite Jeremy and complete holy trinity of networking (Bogart, Barker, Cioara) Keep up the good work, cheers from Russia!

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Ive been talking to Jeremy and he is a busy guy... ill pin him down one of these days...lol

@josephollis7699 7 ай бұрын

Great video, this is just what I needed. I let my CCNA recently expire late this year due to thinking the grass is greener over in Software Engineering. Turns out I really did enjoy networking and now I am trying to get back into it. I have 3 years of Network engineering/ Admin experience in total but a year gap of software engineering. I am pursuing my CCNP currently and just was concerned on the current job market.

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@TrevorHirschi Ай бұрын

I’m looking into purchasing an INE subscription. Would you recommend it for beginners or is it more intermediate-advanced focused?

@kaizensky3399 7 ай бұрын

Wow, this video is a goldmine for anyone diving into the world of networking! Keith Bogart breaks down crucial points and provides invaluable insights. The time stamps are super helpful for navigating to specific topics of interest.

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

thank you

@petebigg8362 7 ай бұрын

Great video really enjoyed it.

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@maulew 7 ай бұрын

Great video, very interesting points from Kieth

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Thank you

@corynelznelz2606 7 ай бұрын

Home lab is a great way or may I say tool that would allow you to gain hands on experience in Networking and ICT

@karansen743 7 ай бұрын

Great video man keep it up .

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Appreciate it!

@Mario-wd8qw 7 ай бұрын

Thank you ❤

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

You're welcome 😊

@dielyanez 7 ай бұрын

Great advice!

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Thank you

@pointer77jesse2 7 ай бұрын

Keep putting out amazing content!!

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Thank you... will do

@edwinswartz7084 6 ай бұрын

Rumor has it that FortiGate is taking over the Network and Network Security space. I’ve been procrastinating my CCNA for the longest, I’m a sys engineer by profession at an MSP but want to move more into networking. What is your take on FortiGate and Cisco

@Mr.Hashira 2 ай бұрын

He didn't really answer the question so I will ask for anyone that want know the question. Should a new person to IT study the network + before studying for the ccna?

@locool676 2 ай бұрын

There is overlap between the two. Network+ is vendor neutral so it's not going to touch any of the specifics of Cisco CLI for IOS/NXOS/ASA/Cisco Secure. My 2 cents is if you're currently a Helpdesk tech or you're trying to get an understanding of HOW systems communicate with ports and protocols is study and complete the Net+. If you're specifically trying to get into a Network Technician role or your current org is heavy in Cisco And you have a fundamental understanding of TCP/UDP/Routing/Switching, skip the Net+ and go right for your CCNA.

@vidursharma3766 5 ай бұрын

Damn, i just received notification of this podcast today on apple pod, and I missed another amazing giveaway 😢😢

@TheBeardedITDad 5 ай бұрын

we are working on moving these to be synced up... here in the next two weeks they will be with in a week of each other.

@patrickbello8130 7 ай бұрын

Good stuff !!!!

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Thank you

@SomeYouTuberGuy 3 ай бұрын

Due to so many jobs going overseas or to H1B visa holders I'm looking at networking as my career path now.

@japaniagua 7 ай бұрын

Outstanding video.

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

@tr0llpatr0l86 3 ай бұрын

the way how cisco ask questions or giving tasks in the exam result in learning theory without any practical benefit / relevance. i see ccna is s great foundation for proving u have a general IT skill because u understand the physical engineering on OSI layer models.

@digitaljungle 7 ай бұрын

thanks

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

@rodomar25 7 ай бұрын

This keeps me motivated to keep studying

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

keep grinding it will pay off!

@danyar0 7 ай бұрын

love your videos

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thank you

@80Mojica 7 ай бұрын

I’m excited to start a career in networking. I plan to attack the CCNA and get it done!

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

go after it and keep learning.. dont forget to #LabEveryDay

@JosephKozak 7 ай бұрын

This is awesome 🎉

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Thank you

@mr.incredible8080 7 ай бұрын

@IT Dad, What other fields can a tech who is a network/system admin transition to? Network & Systems Engineering come to mind besides Cyber. Not sure if there are any other paths and any other paths that pay well too. What are your thoughts? Thanks!

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

Data center or service provider would be to easy pivots.

@aymanaljewzi8308 3 ай бұрын

you are the best

@bearcol 7 ай бұрын

Great video

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@sadiqyahya1001 7 ай бұрын

Keith is one of the best authors at INE!

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

agree

@DonaldCarrillo-fx9it 7 ай бұрын

This motivates me to push harder

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

im glad

@joehughes-kl7gv 6 ай бұрын

we had packet tracer. i have cisco 1&2 certs would like to finish my ccna

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

go after it

@Maccccccc 29 күн бұрын

Taking my CCNA in two weeks!

@paulosns25 7 ай бұрын

great video

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@patrickbello8130 7 ай бұрын

Might sign up for ine, I am using CBT nuggets right now . Signed up for my Ccna and I want to get my CCnp this year

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

to be honest i switched from CBT to INE and im so glad I did

@LuminetWorks 20 күн бұрын

As someone that used both I can say that for CCNP cbt nuggets is not enough, INE with keith on these topics was the best.

@JacksonLloyd952 Ай бұрын

Awesome

@armandogomez2677 7 ай бұрын

Man he seems like the instructor I need to ace this ccna and beyond hope i win this giveaway

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

he is an amazing instructor

@notaras1985 2 ай бұрын

Can you talk about what he meant about contributing to the repos?

@Dante-uo2pw 7 ай бұрын

Really cool

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thank you !

@clakkabruh 7 ай бұрын

Love it

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

thank you

@jimmy7434 3 ай бұрын

If I start today, after initial training and two years working in help desk, I’ll be ready for a network engineer job in three years. Will companies be taking on newbie’s in three years or will existing engineers be teaching the ai who will be the new newbies. So tough trying to figure out whether any career path will still be there in the time it takes to become proficient.

@locool676 2 ай бұрын

You shouldn't be spending 2 years in Helpdesk if your goal is networking. Use 6 months to understand the internal process and systems, take great notes, be vocal in meetings, then the second half to really show you want to be involved in networking. Communicate to the network team, demonstrate you can think through issues logically, take fantastic notes, and chat with them when tickets are escalated and resolved.

@Ipconfig381 7 ай бұрын

Very cool

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thanks

@sonyjoseph5426 7 ай бұрын

I hace my CCNP, encor.. Im studying for the ENARSI(concentration ).. very few offers so far .. any suggestions

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

work on your resume.. you have everything you need for that first job...

@locool676 2 ай бұрын

The cloud comment is huge. In our org, we have a dedicated cloud team who is constantly spinning up resources, and constantly need to get tunnels to our on-prem DC. There are no network engineers on the cloud team, despite us exclaiming that there should be. Even with the plan for one of those express routes in the new DC, there is always going to be a need for network engineering to build and maintain the roads the packets route on.

@SinisterSpatula 7 ай бұрын

INE makes great training courses.

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

They are my new favorite learning platform.

@marcosvillagran7656 6 ай бұрын

Can studying an A+ study guide covering core 1001 & core 1002 still help me pass and other materials. I accidentally purchased the wrong book and will return it if necessary. What is your advice?

@TheBeardedITDad 5 ай бұрын

It will cover like 90% of the stuff you need to know for the exam.

@Ali-gu1sv 7 ай бұрын

great

@akumadom7207 7 ай бұрын

Nice

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thanks

@papasnes5602 7 ай бұрын

Always liked using INE

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

me too

@kurihara9023 7 ай бұрын

Do you have pilot licence or marine licence ?

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

@learningpaul1796 7 ай бұрын

NICE

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thanks

@4brotroydavis 2 ай бұрын

So is the consensus around here that a computer science degree is not needed??? Or is it just assumed you already have the bachelor's and these are the certs youll need

@suhaibsiddiqui7550 7 ай бұрын

I too am finishing my bachelor's degree in Networking & Security recently passed my Network+. This video is helpful precisely to my level of knowledge. I too was wondering if a masters degree is a viable option [SANS Masters???]?

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

I don't think a masters is needed any more

@tenderwarrior68 7 ай бұрын

Great advice, as always.

@TheBeardedITDad 7 ай бұрын

Thank you

@manizhaakbarova-gi4me 7 ай бұрын

I’m curious how can i participate in a one year premium INE giveaway? 27:50

@TheBeardedITDad 6 ай бұрын

This giveaway is over

@nmf220 Ай бұрын

I've seen a lot of comments in here talking about the CCNA may not be worth it in the industry. I could not DISAGREE more. Just for frame of reference I currently hold a CCNP Enterprose with concentrations in Enarsi and Wireless Design and currently working on the CCIE. The industry has turned towards a jack of all trades when hiring for engineers and one of the biggest requirements and hurdles is a minimum of holding a CCNA. The industry is slowly phasing out System admins or Server Admins and the Networking world is absorbing them.