I’ll put it this way, if I hear an acoustic guitar in a beat in 2024, I’m turning that shit off. BORING

*i used to pray for times like this*

Throw Rod Wave in there. I’m sick of hearing him cry on the same 3/4 chord progression that goes up then back down.

It's so sad when local/underground artists think that using the same flow is going to work.

Ive felt this way about Lil Baby since 2020

The internet ruined hip hop. Every city had its own style, now everyone sounds the same to try and go viral and appeal to the masses. Everyone sounds like they’re from Atlanta. The beats too, all sound the same.

Carti is def not part of the generic trap category lol most trap fans don’t even like him

I’m glad it’s dying one of my least favorite eras of rap you can tell most these artists were only making music for the money

Trapping ain’t dead, they just wack now

I’ll die on this hill, generic trap was never meant to last

Cloud rap needs to come back I miss when trap was trippy like in 2013-2017

They just regular trap rappers they not no Travis Scott who sits in the studio thinking of new sounds and drum patterns

Idk but I feel like it’s cause we’re getting older. Our generation that listened to da baby, 21 savage, lil baby, young thug, Roddy rich, in highschool/college are maturing and I’m pretty sure we bump their old songs more than their new songs

One of the most boring waves in rap imo, luckily it’s beats out rage

And this is why Playboi carti is paving a lane on his own . Yeat , ken Carson . Etc , got that style of rap from Playboi , and I can honestly say he’s creating a new sound

i felt this 2018 people around michigan we started listening to our own artists

Miss the speaker knockers days

Is simple the beat or production is the problem..producers nowadays are scared to make new sounds thinking rappers won’t use them so they make the same drum patterns and Melodie’s over and over again

I think its unfair to put future, trav and others into that specific category of melodic trap because by the time these guys were blowing up they were already superstars and had classics (Rodeo, DS2, Barter 6, Monster, Without Warning and others). Also Id say the likes of lil baby operate in that late 2010s trap sound which future and peers aren’t operating in.

Sahbabii been reinventing himself.Sounds different on every new album he drops

Lil Baby was a jump scare lowkey 😭😂

Feel like after 2019 and the pandemic it started getting worse and worse. Artists just “play it safe” and release the same generic music over and over again. There’s nothing fresh, new, and exciting going on in rap.

Shout out to Trippie Redd for making such different sounding Trap music since the beginning. ALLTY, Mansion Musik, Trip at Knight, & Life’s A Trip all have a different taste of trap!

Nahhh you right on point with this one. Too many rappers out now with their own legit fan base and cities coming back with their own sound

Era of lyricism is coming back. You hit the nail on the head with the regional sounds, that’s the first domino to fall when you looking for lyrical artists

when Pooh Shiesty and big scarr passed rip I feel like that sound died off

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Well trap had 3 popular sounds from the 2010s era you had the Travis Scott/ early Post Malone “Ambient trap” you had Future/Young Thug “Atl trap” and then the sound Pay is referring to is “Melodic trap” that’s NBA Yb, Durk & Polo G (to name a few) and I agree Melodic trap has run its course we had some good songs come from the sub genre though.

Their core fans grew up. These guys are super young but they’ve been around for a while now. Plus the main theme in all of their music seems to be pain/sadness. Those teenage kids who loved that and related to it are grown now

I honestly love your pov on this take, i feel those who already made their way and became main staples will continue to thrive bc they remain versatile..you have to know how to follow the trend while remaining true to yourself and having a consistent mindset of wanting more and exploring different styles..but imo that goes for any artist any genre.

This alot more accurate than "hip-hop is dead" because theres too many people in it for the art who are more focused on working rather than blowing up. We used to call this "the underground" until recently when that began to mean something else for some strange reason...

Kendrick just destroyed drake it’s over…

When you said 2023 felt like a reset, I been seeing online that in a decade it’s usually around the third year where the sound will change (80s, 90s, 00s being great examples).

I’m genuinely so happy rage has become prominent. Saturation this saturation dat ion really care I loved both EDM and rap growing up so seeing the combination become prominent makes me happy

your analysis is spot on this is something i have also come to take notice off

Another good video Pay! Loved this one.

I think the problem is a lot of these guys like a clear, distinct aesthetic to help differentiate them as a character from other rappers. Yeat for a very long time was known for pretty much making one type of song over and over, but he has a character and personality associated with him and his music that kept it from going stale, so much to the point that he’s gone right back to that style after dropping 2093. What, if anything, is lil baby’s unique aesthetic appeal? Couldn’t tell you.

Idk why 21 doesn’t get the same hate that dababy got 😂 he uses the same flow in every song

I like your channel , a good clear observation of culture and music, keep going

Man you hit a good point with people sounding like where they are from. I used to say that all the time. You know where a rapper was from by how they talk and sound.

Lil Gotit be out here pushin real trap and he not stoppin !!

most people that used to listen to them diverged into other subgenres such as Detroit rap Flint Rap Milwaukee rap you get what i’m saying i can’t think of other examples from those

Agreed man - great video and analysis. Also to your point at 12:00 I think the Detroit sound is getting more mainstream. Every time I hear a Bossman Dlow song I think Icewear Vezzo is about to start rapping 😂 and Kendrick even pulled out the Sada Baby flow on Not Like Us

YOU PREACHING BRO🔥

another banger of a video, you make the best hip hop content ngl

The argument about each city sounding like its own thing is interesting. I have a book on mixing and Bobby Owsinski speaks about each studio back in the early days of audio engineering having its own speacific gear, methodology and engineers, so they would make radically different sounding records. There were fewer studios back then, so a city’s sound could be defined by the top dog of that area. Motown sounded like Motown for a very good reason. Same with EMI, later named Abbey Road. It’s cool to see history repeating itself for different reasons

We heard it all and the fan base is growing up

i’m going on a road trip this week so please drop like 30 one hour long videos for me to listen to thanks ❤

thank you bro and it’s really a low ceiling for this typa sub genre. they don’t add anything special, don’t get me wrong it’s good music but it doesn’t really last or stick with you

Travis Scott is different from these Lil Baby and Durks…if you listen to utopia you will find a bunch of experimental and new sounds in that album …different song structures…that’s why when it came out it got some criticisms because it was new and strange in their ears

My brother your locs are immaculate 👌🏾

Honestly I think the modern trap wave was good from 2018 to 2020 but It got stale really fast. Well atleast I got bored of it fast because the songs got repetitive. Also for me artist like Lil baby, polo g, and lil durk just aren’t relatable to me and that’s a big thing that makes me wanna listen to a artist more when the stuff they talk about is relative to my life in a way

11:23 facts it’s because it’s become a hub/ hot spot for so long, that it becomes the baseline and ends up becoming a more generic overused sound. 12:03 I fw what u saying here too. A lot of valid points in this video man

I've been waiting for this moment since the beginning 🎉🎉🎉

21 savage #’s went down too, Savage mode 2 did 200k first week in 2020

NBA youngboy isn't generic trap at all lol I'm not even a fan of his but he has a very distinct Baton Rouge style when it comes to beats and lyrical content (being a bit too transparent and vulnerable to the point that it makes you cringe at times) but as someone who has been a trap fan since the genre really took off in the late 00s with Gucci Mane, OJ and Zaytoven I'm glad it's starting to die off. It went from a Southern hustler's theme music to soulless mass produced music that all sounds like one long song and only sounds good in a club environment where you're under the influence of some substance and a woman is twerking on you. The auto tune makes it worse a lot of the time tbh because I know rappers like lil baby can kinda spit but that auto tune makes every song of his sound the exact same.

I’ve been thinking this for a while, you need to fuse a new sound + trap now. Like 80s gated reverb drums plus an 808 and hi hats

YB has many versatile songs and some that are completely different. The thing is with me if I hear a song and I like it I just like it I want complain.

A 5 year era that needed to end. I’ve always listened to Travis, Carti, Don toliver & more recently Yeat because their trap is more progressive and has other elements to it besides that basic formulaic sound

I mess with the video frl bro but it is definitely not dead 😂

9:06 you made great points right here with future and young thug 💯 still in the trap bubble but evolving the sound, having diversity , trying out different flows etc. even what you said about Gunna with “a Gift & a curse” not reinventing the wheel but slightly evolving his sound maybe a little more bars

Today I just been listening to B.O.B I didn’t even know he was from my state NC. I’m like “man I used to listen to Bob when was a kid like he was one of my favorites I wonder what he’s been up to”. I saw Kodak dropped a new song I listened to like 10 seconds and went back to Bob like let me here something different. Food fight by Bob is so far out. It’s so flying saucer.

I'm not sure it I put YB in that. I think his ability to switch flows and switch between melodic and rapping withing the same verse will carry him but he needs better production.

They need to start collabing with new artist and putting on

Michigan on a crazy run rn between Detroit, flint…Etc

I've been feeling like this. Used to love Gucci & Lil Baby (still do) but now i really don't care about their new albums

I would say it’s street/hustle trap, with a large emphasis on the streets or hustle money making music, or even hood pain trap rap

this why i always listen to the underground, theres nothing special about mainstream rappers, no unique flow, no swag, no style or nothing

I think the artist that you mentioned that are in the trap sound bit escaped it are where they are is because they have , like you said, added something different. To me the “difference” is that they’re more artistic and experimental and learn how to make it work even if it’s not by much. The artist u mentioned before can try something new from time to time but over like u said their music will still sound the same and they don’t evolve.

Aye bro I'm a KZfaqr that went viral and fell off because I aint stay consistent enough. Do you blog with a hyper mic?

Michigan rap hit different though.

Bossmandlow already fallin off he got the SAME flow on every song

I think it feels like this too because a lot of people didn’t not grow up into the sound or weren’t there for many of the moments. Hip Hop/Trap is just Pop Music now.

I noticed when NBA YoungBoy dropped Don’t Try This At Home. He really embraced a lot of his original Baton Rouge jazz like beats and I think he is starting to go back to that sound. I think you made a really good point with saying how areas are starting to sound like Memphis, Detroit, and all that are having their own unique sounds, you can also hear stuff like Mozzy using old West Coast inspired beats

Future a pioneer for trap music was the only trap artists hopping on different type beats especially that 2015-2018 run he influenced a large portion of the rap scene 2016- Present

Trap should’ve been left to just ATL rappers. Regional sounds is what keeps artists & music fresh. Now everyone is trynna hop FastMoney music from Detroit. Instead of riding a wave, perfect your sound or craft… NYC drill is a prime example…

it’s the producers in the industry they make it so easy for rappers to choose simple dumb down beats, so they don’t get creative

Nah your not lying tho I feel the same way. I don’t know where music goes from here cause even the new unique sounds get played out to me like veeze or quanny. Regional music be sounding repetitive too like dmv, detroit, ny, etc

Tbh only one with actual appeal for me was da baby back in 2018

i call this genre safe aux music

Yb in this is crazy he actually has talent

dmv reference put a smile on my face

I dont think its dead tbh i think its evolving into a new sound bc we got ppl like bossman dlow and rob49 and skilla baby thats bringing a new sound to trap music

Yb the most experimental, he made a rage album.

Take a shot every time he says “guys like NBA young boy, lil baby, da baby Rody rich and polo g

“Damn bro… can I get something else” 6:22 😂

Honestly, music was so much better in the datpiff, spinrilla, my mixtapes era. So many household names of today was KILLING those music sites. & their music all had DISTINCT SOUNDS & it was almost like a badge of honor for the area. Now it’s just trap drums. Well as expected the era has all but ended.

jetson kept making tha same one

PERFECT THUMBNAIL FOR THE TITLE. finally people see it

I've noticed this too. Lately I hear people get more excited about people like Kanye and Kendrick than Lil Baby and Polo G, and I am so here for it. Even more boundary-pushing artists like Yeat and Teezo Touchdown are getting more respect, which is something the music scene needed desperately

We don’t trust you was honestly the first trap album I’ve enjoyed front to back in a long time. Future is a pioneer and metro’s production is just hard to beat. It’s nothing crazy different from what we are used to getting from them, but it still sounds fresh because the quality is so high.

We need young thug back, the people he brings on for features always hit

The selling drugs part and snitching hasn't gotten old though 3:05 lol the problem

Pluggnb/rage/new jazz be the only beats I even listen to artists rap on anymore

Gotta go back to old head trap. With jeezy, Gucci mane, TI, brick squad waka flocka

Generic trap? You're not wrong. Like you said, the ones who thrive do something special/new and that's honestly the way it should be.

This is a good video but you might benefit from adding a lil background music while you talk so the silence in between sentences isn’t as loud

I might be biased but the melodic trap era of 2018-20 was one of my favorite eras of hip hop because of how this was when I first got into hip hop and they were the biggest names at the time as well as the nostalgia and good music back then. I still remember when albums like My Turn, Please Don't Excuse Me, Kirk, Wunna, etc. first dropped and they are timeless to me. There were also other rappers who blew up around the same time that was also in the same melodic trap pocket like Lil Tjay, NLE Choppa, Moneybagg Yo, Key Glock, etc. which were more niche yet successful. It is sad how most of these rappers in the era fell off since some of these rappers could have been superstars, but they refused to move with changing times and we don't hear much of them any more. I do think change was necessary but I feel like rappers like Lil Baby or Polo G could be much better if they just switched it up a bit. I honestly do miss the era as now we are in an era we have people like Nettspend, Ian, and Lazer Dim being pushed as the next big thing, which may not be the best honestly I am at least more glad we still have the rappers with us and their music as well, because anything could happen any moment.

Spaceghostpurrp is the light of this music shit iykyk he was ahead of the time and still is VampMoney305

As a genre I do believe it’s on downfall right now I think it just needs new faces honestly ppl gone relate to real shit … but on that yb topic about him making the same song Brodie been locked in house arrest for 3 years he can’t go nowhere he can’t experience nothing … but out all of them I believe he’s the most versatile now the quality hasn’t been as good but get him out of jail and back in br he’ll be fine . Imo