That whole meme had been done to death

​@@dermotmcquaid3692 now we have become death, destroyer of words.

@@juckyvortexLOl, y’all made my day!

Oppenheimer style!

Ok, not the most current meme sure, but made me chuckle!😊

He wasn’t mistreated. He was most definitely a security risk

@@jeffslote9671> homophobia

@@levthemapperxd I meant Oppenheimer

You think the nuclear energy gave him his health problems

@@oladeebiazazi4538 At least that's what we understood. I'm no radiologist

Back then, popular knowledge of the true extent of nuclear weaponry's harmful effects (beyond the obvious destruction wreaked by nuclear detonation) was utterly, woefully inadequate -- & this was not by accident. Since the horrific usage of the 1st atomic bombs as actual weapons of war on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima & Nagasaki, the US federal govt & the Pentagon had been engaged in a campaign to suppress or otherwise downplay the very real dangers of direct exposure to both the initial radiation "flash" as well as the consequent radioactive debris (the fallout) caused by the live testing & usage of atomic bombs & thermonuclear devices. The rationale behind this was twofold: (1) Reports gathered on the ground in Japan were absolutely nightmarish: men, women & children were dying within months, weeks or even days of having survived just outside the blast radius of either of the US atomic bombings, losing their eyesight, their hair, their ability to heal wounds & fight infections until eventually they died of organ failure. Japanese doctors quickly realized there was nothing they could do to save or even treat these patients; all they could do was observe & document the seemingly endless procession of death. Such information would've been vital for the nascent movement to either ban or heavily regulate such weapons of mass destruction in the future, but would be absolutely disastrous for the US plans to ensure global military supremacy via an aggressive nuclear arms program. Part of the campaign was to promulgate the (false) claim that the US deployment of both atomic bombs in Japan was absolutely necessary to bring the bloodshed to a swift & decisive end (in reality the Japanese war machine was already in shambles & its economy near total collapse due to the massive US firebombing campaign). The true purpose of annihilating the cities of Hiroshima & Nagasaki was to prove to the world beyond a shadow of a doubt that the US had both the capability to develop & the willingness to use atomic weapons -- "this thing is real, look what it can do, don't fuck with us". (2) When the Cold War & the nuclear arms race inevitably escalated, the US devised another strategy: popularize the idea of building "fallout shelters" in backyards & basements as well as promote "duck & cover" drills in public schools to create the appearance of an American populace ready & willing to face the consequences of nuclear war, all to put on a brave face for the (then Soviet) Russian superpower. Again, this all hinged on widespread ignorance of the full, devastating effects of detonating nuclear weapons in open warfare. In a real sense, this kind of anti-information campaign saw a revival during the 1980s when scientists at the Univ. of California, Irvine were exploring the possible effects of wildfires on weather systems & regional climates using computers to run simulation models, then 1 of them asked, "What if a nuclear war actually happened? Wouldn't that set off massive wildfires on a global scale? What would be the effects of THAT?" So they figured out the initial numbers, plugged those into the simulation ... & what they got was literally chilling: the resultant debris clouds from both airborne soot & pulverized materials would contaminate the atmosphere to the point where daily sunlight would be significantly compromised, similar to (if not worse than) the effects of the prehistoric, massive meteor impact which triggered the extinction-level event that wiped out the dinosaurs by killing off vegetation & causing temperatures worldwide to plummet. The scientists ended up coining a new term, "nuclear winter". The then Reagan Administration was bullish on escalating the nuclear arms race, so this new concept of "nuclear winter" was considered absolutely intolerable by White House officials & Reagan cabinet members ... that is, until Ronald Reagan himself had a private screening of the movie "War Games" & suddenly came to a sobering realization.

I guess there will be some *fallout*

@@CynicalHistorian 😂😂😂😆😆😆

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@@Chad_Thundercock Oppenheimer is most genuine for his part in making of the nuclear bomb and its proliferation while Coleen Ballinger is a youtuber who made a song for getting called out for some creepy interactions with her fans.

That’s so good. #barbieheimer #Letsgo

Would you mind explaining how it should be translated? Even if it's a bad translation, I agree Opp's version is tragically beautiful and perfectly fitting. I get chills every time i see that video

@@chrisz7494 "I am Time, the great one, bringing decay. I work here towards destruction of all worlds." So same basic sentiment, but the better translation doesn't work as well In this situation as the Isherwood translation. What makes it bad is the original Sanskrit has Vishnu using passive voice, whereas Isherwood makes it seem like he's active destroying

@@WowUrFcknHxC you're correct. They are very different. Thanks for explaining to this monolingual english speaker :)

Wait what, Oppenheimer was fluent in Sanskrit? That's obscenely difficult 👀👀

@@whitlermountain7198 yes he was

Now I am become sleepy, the goer to bed

I have become Fat, Destroyer of Buffets

Hirohito couldn't have overruled them.

The Japanese government chose to keep fighting in search of better terms. The Potsdam Declaration was a clear offer to which they didn’t even choose to counter. Instead they believed the Soviet Union would act on their behalf, which was an assumption made on bad intelligence. The Japanese also knew they would be tried for war crimes if they surrendered. What modern research has made clear is that fear of prosecution was a key point of resistance to accepting terms. In short they were trying to save their own skins. And while they may not have known about the bomb they certainly saw the destruction of entire swathes of their cities by firebombing to be an acceptable outcome if it saved their own lives.

@@loner1878 There are varying accounts of just how active Hirohito was in military affairs, with an immediate postwar whitewash making him mostly a ceremonial figure. Japanese Emperors post Meiji were rather more active than during the Tokugawa Shogunate, but just how active is disputed. Hirohito was probably the figure in the government with the lowest chance of being assassinated for calling for capitulation.

KZfaq creator Shaun made a very lenghty video essay about this pretty subject. It might not convice everyone but a lot of evidence is shown towards the fact alternatives were in the table. I recommend watching it.

@@tomhalla426 He had little or no personal interest in the matter it seems, he was quite happy to see the army and navy go on wars of conquest, but he wasn't quite willing to see Japan go down in flames either. You could argue he was a fair-weather warmonger and a pacifist as soon as the fists started to come too close to his nose.

The video mentions that Leo Szilard wrote the letter to Roosevelt that Einstein signed. Szilard, who gave up Physics after the war, took Teller and Eugene Wigner with him, on that visit to Einstein. Szilard, Teller, Wigner had all been friends when they were teenage prodigies, in Vienna.

Your father worked at JPL and thought that Teller was a mad scientist? Did he never once meet Jack Parsons there? Parsons, was the most "mad scientist" of the scientists of the U.S.

​@@simonmacomber7466JPL tried to keep Jack Parsons in the background, due to his lack of a degree and his extra-curricular activities. If you haven't read "Sex and Rockets", I highly recommend it.

I mean, I have plenty of research to do bc of all the videos I've seen on the matter this is the one that most grapples with the ethical dilemma and it isn't that much, so it is telling, but... Could it possibly that these two cities were chosen precisely for that reason? since you say they were particularly popular spots for that of travel? I just cannot compute in my mind that there was a proposal to dropping this bomb on the coast of Tokyo for demonstrational purposes not killing anyone and that is never mentioned, and how Oppenheimer says it needed to be done for pragmatic reasons but no one talks about their reasoning for dropping a second bomb... Like, the Fuck?!

Read John Dower’s “War without Mercy” to understand the worldview of the time. I am a longtime American resident of Japan, part of the system, who actually met Edward Teller.

I re-watched the pacific, I think they were unfortunately the humane approach, if the battle of Iwo Jima was how the invasion of Japan were to go but on a scale times 100 then they made the correct decision.

So they left their country to go and defected to an enemy state, and died as a result? Oh well.

I was surprised too. Like there's parts that folks will miss and i barely even touched on here. For example, in the movie Kittie complains about the Los Alamos house not initially having a kitchen - that's because the original ranch school had everyone eat communally just down the road. Great movie

A buck says it will put an end to us first.

The movie was pretty rote. It also kills a scientist long before that actually happened, so not a good film

@@CynicalHistorian oh wow! That's insane.

@@CynicalHistorian It was nice to see the shots from Manhattan you used, a very enjoyable series that I was sad to see cancelled although i don't think it's historical accuracy was great

@@CynicalHistorian Actually a combination of two different scientists, if you mean Merriman (John Cusak).

Hopefully the Nolan Film will be phenomenal. I don't expect it to be perfect and 100% accurate but Chris Nolan knows what he's doing. The trailer looked phenominal

Also Stalin did nothing wrong. Roosevelt would have made peace with the USSR and no Cold War had he had lived

Truman and Churchill the Fat Drunk poked the Bolshevik Bear and provoked Stalin and the Soviet government

@@dermotmcquaid3692there is a live countdown for the movie put out by universal for the big posters and their KZfaq channel

@@dermotmcquaid3692 "Stalin did nothing wrong" besides be a Nazi ally until Operation Barbarossa. Or the various massacres and genocidal actions he took. Stalin did a lot wrong.

Barbenheimer

@@CynicalHistoriangood one

@@theshenpartei I don't get it :( Barben?

@@tacobanana_forever Barbie and Oppenheimer are launching the same day

Barbara Oppenheimer, model and nuclear physicist.

I hope they do. Then let the culture warrior conservatives seethe "WOKE!" when they see it.

I am pretty sure it will. The trailers show black and white scenes of the hearings against him.

I do, but I'm not going south

My mother spent a year at the University of Göttingen, so I'm very familiar with the name

I saw the interview where he said they replicated Trinity with "practical effects" and had quite the giggle

Mentioned in Jaws

My mom spent a year at the university there. She always remembered being weirded out by the giant portrait of George III that she passed going to class (Americans have a particular disdain for that monarch, lol)

@@CynicalHistorian understandable 😅 frankly it creeps me out, too

It's more that Dirac didn't know he had accidentally predicted anti-matter, so Oppie was the one to draw the conclusion. Here's the relevant passage: On February 14, 1930, Oppenheimer finished writing a seminal paper, “On the Theory of Electrons and Protons.” Drawing on Paul Dirac’s equation on the electron, Oppenheimer argued that there had to be a positively charged counterpart to the electron-and that this mysterious counterpart should have the same mass as the electron itself. It could not, as Dirac had suggested, be a proton. Instead, Oppenheimer predicted the existence of an “anti-electron-the positron.” Ironically, Dirac had failed to pick up on this implication in his own equation, and he willingly gave Oppenheimer the credit for this insight-which soon impelled him, Dirac, to propose that perhaps there existed “a new kind of particle, unknown to experimental physics, having the same mass and opposite charge to an electron.” What he was very tentatively proposing was the existence of antimatter. Dirac suggested naming this elusive particle an “anti-electron.” Kai Bird and Martin J. Sherwin, _American Prometheus: The Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer_ (New York: Vintage Books, 2006), ebook, 128/1016.

@@CynicalHistorian This is great stuff, thank you. Scot

That's precisely why I actually like reading comments 😊

Dirac presented the relativity theory way before einstein.

I doubt it. MacNamara was working his way up the executive ranks at General Motors at that time and wasn't in government at any level. Besides that, Mac was a Democrat.

Dunno. I just pulled a photo from image search that was closest to the timeframe I'm talking about there. Didn't look deeper than that

@@CynicalHistorian I think I said both Harvard and berkley. I meant to say Berkeley alone but could be a visit the hardware to before then? It would be an awesome photo to own with Oppenheimer and Niels Bohr. The original I mean.

I normally don't bother. That one is just weird

Incinerate thousands of innocent children

the germans were more interested in energy production, and were far more advanced than what this video implies

They get a pass in my mind if they only show the American perspective, as they had no way of knowing how little progress the Germans had made in the field until after the war.

@@pascalausensi9592 now if they did that I would be ok.

It wasn't that the Germans were not interested in it, it was that the Germans in wartime lacked the material and industrial resources in wartime to build bombs. Building the Atomic Bomb wasn't a question of the design of the bomb, it was a materials question of generating enough enriched unranium or plutonium to build a bomb. The critical things to the US bomb project were not the scientists in New Mexico, but places like Oak Ridge and Hanford where the material was created. But everyone is always warped by the hero-scientist narrative that it was the internal mechanics of the bombs that was the critical issue.

@@Jim-Tuner Still, the nazi regime considered theoretical Physics "Jewish Physics", this didn't help to get the regime to subscribe to such a project. But it is also true that Germany didn't have the Ressources to do so as well. Especially later in the war when Germany was bombed.

He just did.

I saw both!

It's a Talmudic tradition not to name sons after their fathers until and unless the father is dead. The practical aspect of this is obvious: to head off any confusion when their names are called.

UNM and here's a video on my dissertation: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j5ZkrNl5lqymqqc.html

FYI, you can pause a youtube video.

Pretty sure i got that correct. Might wanna listen again

@@CynicalHistorian lol no an Italian would bleed out of their ears. The ree in the middle, it's more ree as in reefer, not ri as in riker. And the 'En' is more like as in 'Ken' than 'in' as inside.

@@GorgyCL 🤓

Its Teller Ede, not Edward.

Actually the scene with the apple may never have actually happened. It could be just something Oppenheimer thought about doing but didn't actually do. There's some doubt that it happened