Jack Sharkey vs Primo Carnera, II (Full Film)

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rsmorodinov

rsmorodinov

12 жыл бұрын

Jack Sharkey vs Primo Carnera (2nd meeting). Jun. 29, 1933. Madison Square Garden Bowl, Long Island City, Queens, New York, United States.
Джек Шарки против Примо Карнеры (вторая встреча), 29 июня 1933 г., 1-3, 5 и 6-ой раунды, победа Карнеры в 6-ом раунде (KO)

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@edwarddeitch8886
@edwarddeitch8886 5 жыл бұрын
Carnera was a much better fighter than the jock sniffer media "experts" never seemed to grasp. They never saw past the size and assumed clumsiness. Parrots all. Carnera was very quick and light on his feet. Had very fast hands, good combinations and good power. And decent ring mastery. A much underrated fighter.
@robertheintze9413
@robertheintze9413 9 ай бұрын
Actually, Carnera wasn't a skilled boxer. He was a brawler like Tony Galento and used his immense size to intimidate his opponents.
@jricciardi99
@jricciardi99 8 ай бұрын
A much better fighter than he was given credit for
@Pedro_Le_Chef
@Pedro_Le_Chef 7 ай бұрын
@@robertheintze9413Carnera either had good defense and range management or a hell of a chin. No one goes 11 rounds against prime Max Baer or 6 against prime Louis without having one of those two.
@vincentfisher1603
@vincentfisher1603 8 жыл бұрын
Looked like a clean ko to me. Carnera landed a precise punch.
@TheBatugan77
@TheBatugan77 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, okay sport. 👌
@deontemerritt91
@deontemerritt91 6 жыл бұрын
legends Rest in Peace to both of them.
@alexwillis7093
@alexwillis7093 3 жыл бұрын
Sharkey never took a dive. He was clearly hit with an uppercut from a guy that weighed 60lbs heavier and was counted out.
@disgrapefruit2bitter
@disgrapefruit2bitter 8 жыл бұрын
Looked legitimate. Reminds me of Foreman-Moorer. From one angle, it looked like Moorer took a dive but from another, you could see what a devastating punch it was.
@martpast1
@martpast1 7 жыл бұрын
strange is that Sharkey moved deliberately too close. and at last Carnera caught him with the uppercut .
@Section5_CdnIntelService
@Section5_CdnIntelService 3 жыл бұрын
Carnera was no George Foreman.
@Pedro_Le_Chef
@Pedro_Le_Chef 7 ай бұрын
@@Section5_CdnIntelServiceCarnera had an 80% KO rate and beat Loughran, Levinsky, Schaaf and Les Kennedy. He was no Foreman, but you don't need to be Foreman to knock someone out.
@HarryHeath-pb6rv
@HarryHeath-pb6rv 6 ай бұрын
Yup I was legit the zapped him out
@jerryashlock5519
@jerryashlock5519 3 жыл бұрын
Sharkey was lifted off the canvas by that uppercut...flush on the chin !
@martinburke362
@martinburke362 4 жыл бұрын
That was a massive punch by carnerra it had all the subconscious power of a very big man who doesn't realise just how much power he has all concentrated to the point of sharkeys chin its a wonder he got up at all!!!
@jerryashlock5519
@jerryashlock5519 3 жыл бұрын
I think Carnera was an unorthodox and erratic style to figure out ...if he could pressure his opponent he would be difficult to overcome...especially with an opponent like Sharkey who stayed kin front of the Prim ! Carnera earned his respect in the ring ... no fix was in when he won the title
@demetriosaverkiou2839
@demetriosaverkiou2839 2 жыл бұрын
Boom Thunderous Uppercut by Carnera beautiful
@stwads
@stwads 7 жыл бұрын
Sharkey was a moody fighter prone to lapses of concentration ( watch the Dempsey fight). Carnera was much improved at this stage & the punch caught Sharkey flush. No way in the world was that a dive. To insinuate that it was is an insult to Sharkey!
@pvonberg
@pvonberg 6 жыл бұрын
This fight was not fixed. Carnera a much better boxer than his critics claimed ,faster too. And Sharkey did his best to try to knock him out. Just a few seconds before the end Sharkey threw his best right hand. The uppercut that won Carnera the title had Carnera's full weight behind it.
@gregorylegall4840
@gregorylegall4840 3 жыл бұрын
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@451hist
@451hist 2 жыл бұрын
I am surprised that Sharkey didn't get a broken neck - Primo hammered him.
@sugarlanskee8
@sugarlanskee8 12 жыл бұрын
That uppercut had some leverage (although not full) behind it but the big guy didn't need full.
@tigerboy1966
@tigerboy1966 7 жыл бұрын
I don't see any fix here. It looked a pretty even fight up to the sixth and then Carnera landed a huge uppercut. Sharkey didn't go down like a man taking a dive, he went down like a man who had been legitimately ko'd.
@TheBatugan77
@TheBatugan77 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, okay. R
@jrupp8853
@jrupp8853 2 жыл бұрын
Sharkey appeared to be ko'd legitimately from a lucky uppercut that landed flush.
@pajasa62
@pajasa62 11 жыл бұрын
I agree with your points on both this fight & Ali-Liston II. One thing that that did not help Primo Carnera"s legacy was the movie "The Harder They Fall" (which was Humphrey Bogart's last movie) In it was a character based on Primo Carnera & the last fight sequence in the movie had THE Max Baer (3 years from death) fighting the Carnera-character. Up until that point, "Carnera" earned his title shot on fixed fights. Ali-Liston II was the only fight Ali showed ANGER in knocking down an opponent.
@majik_man
@majik_man 7 жыл бұрын
First off, Carnera looks much more improved than their previous fight. Sharkey was becoming more flat footed of a fighter vs Schmeling II. Here he looks slower and more flat footed, against Scott a larger man 3 years earlier he isnt a flat footed fighter at all.He shouldn't been champion because he didn't win Schmeling 2, and he looks about as good as Schmeling 2 (which ended with Sharkey beat up). I think Sharkey was a very good fighter, i wish he would have fought Levinsky in 29. He coulda built a good legacy getting a few more Classic lightheavy's on his resume like Levinsky,and Otto Van porat. The lightheavy's were at their best in the late 20's, and Jack had fast feet he woulda been fun to watch fighting them in his prime in 29-31. By the time he fought Joe Louis, Sharkey is like 5 years out of his prime. I can't even hold that lose against him so much removed from your prime. Both Tunney & Greb would beat Sharkey easily, a quick counter puncher is his weakness (and they be tailor made for him). I think Sharkey's chin is excellent none of his filmed fights (other than louis) have him even going down. Dempsey he gets knocked out but it's a cheap knockout because he was talking to the referee. Chin excellent, 1933 Sharkey is out his prime.
@fredstoltenberg7544
@fredstoltenberg7544 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. He definitely stole the title from Schmeling.
@williamoleschoolarendt7016
@williamoleschoolarendt7016 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately for Primo Max Baer studied the first Sharkey fight and figured out that Primo couldn't handle relentless pressure and his power was limited at very close range! If Primo would have had better training and coaching he probably would have held the title for a while! Now Max Baer his problem was that he liked to drink and play with the women more than he liked training! If Max would have been more dedicated to the sport he definitely would have held the title for a long time! Max had all of the tools great power and he figured his opponents out as the fight went on! Another thing that killed Max's career was that when he killed a man in the ring he never could get over it! Which is why he drank so much! But I think one of the smartest fighters from that era was definitely James Braddock! Braddock didn't have the best of anything but he was smart and he had a great ring IQ which he showed in the Baer fight!
@fredstoltenberg7544
@fredstoltenberg7544 2 жыл бұрын
For sure. Baer never was the same after he killed a man. Kind of took his heart out of the game.
@steveshaw217
@steveshaw217 8 ай бұрын
Love the way the commentator mention Ed all the great champions before him but conveniently forgot to mention Jack johnson
@saintcruzin
@saintcruzin 6 жыл бұрын
No “fix” here. Just an older fighter being worn down by a much bigger fighter. It reminds me of how Wlad Klitschko won some fight just by leaning on, pulling down and wearing out smaller fighters. Sharkey was exhausted and KO’d....a past his prime Sharkey...
@Xavier_the_Boxing_Nerd
@Xavier_the_Boxing_Nerd 5 жыл бұрын
How is 31 past prime?
@SuperAttitudeera
@SuperAttitudeera 3 жыл бұрын
@@Xavier_the_Boxing_Nerd Different times, nutritionism and training regimes weren't as developed at the time. Plus the older fighters had matches more frequently than today's and their trainings focused more on sparring which takes a toll on the body.
@Xavier_the_Boxing_Nerd
@Xavier_the_Boxing_Nerd 3 жыл бұрын
@@SuperAttitudeera, It’s more developed now? Is that why so many of our fighters look like dogshit or don’t even know how to throw every punch? When fighters are spending less and less time training to fight (boxing work outs), their boxing training regimes are not more developed. Fighters that fought more often didn’t spar as frequently, because when they were keeping active and fighting multiple times a month, there was no need. Of course getting in sparring wars and getting hit will take it’s toll on a person, but when modern boxers do spar, especially in America, they go too hard and take a lot of damage before their fight It’s honestly absurd that we consider them to be more worn out at younger ages than modern fighters. For example, Sugar Ray Robinson fought 200 fights and never sounded punch drunk in any interview all they way up until his last one in 1976. Sam Langford (yes he went blind) never sounded punch drunk in any interview either. Clear speaking from Joe Louis. It took Jake LaMotta until the 2010s for his words to start slurring. All of these “advanced training regimes” yet somehow, not only do the majority of the fighters today have less tools and tricks, but are taking more long term damage and slurring their words (sometimes before they retire!)
@JeffPenaify
@JeffPenaify 3 жыл бұрын
@@Xavier_the_Boxing_Nerd tbf he was talking about the longevity of fighters today. Nowadays fighters dont peak til theyre in their 30s and way more guys are lasting well into 35. Fighters are more preserved from PEDs, lack of activity and better understanding of nutrition. Theyre not better boxers but they have more longevity as athletes
@Xavier_the_Boxing_Nerd
@Xavier_the_Boxing_Nerd 3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffPenaify, How many fighters are at the top of the sport right now over the age of 37? Longevity as an athlete goes to Archie Moore who fought from 1935-1963. He had 220 fights and reigned as light heavyweight champion for a decade from the age of 39-49 years old. Bob Fitzsimmons won the light heavyweight championship at 40 years old and had 101 fights. Jack Britton fought from 1904-1930 and had 345 fights. Joe Brown fought from 1941 to 1970 and reigned as undisputed lightweight champion from 1956-1962. From the age of 30-36. 35 years old to be a champion isn’t something new and there are only 4 fighters today over the age of 35 that hold major world titles. More belts today than there were back then and you can still count on one hand the amount of active champions in their late 30s.
@andrewr62
@andrewr62 5 жыл бұрын
From all that is written on this fight I always assumed fix. But slow it down. The way Shakey falls on his right leg he could have seriously injured himself. Not the way a man taking a dive would fall one would think. He falls like a man who is knocked out with no body control. I now say no fix.
@tatlas2123
@tatlas2123 8 жыл бұрын
Around 21:26 or so, you can see Carnera looking outside of the ring at someone in the audience before he delivers the uppercut that knocks Sharkey out. Probably fixed.
@andrewr62
@andrewr62 6 жыл бұрын
Was this fight fixed? Hard to say, but Sharkey hardly resembles the fighter who almost KO'd Carnera in 1931. Perhaps he took Carnera lightly having beaten him previously. He doesn't appear to be as in the best of shape as his previous fights on film or as aggressive. Carnera, for whatever he lacked in skill and technique as a boxer did have courage and fought with great heart even when outgunned.
@steveculbert4039
@steveculbert4039 3 жыл бұрын
How can Sharkey take those uppercuts?
@ppuh6tfrz646
@ppuh6tfrz646 2 жыл бұрын
He couldn't. That's why he lost.
@steveculbert4039
@steveculbert4039 3 жыл бұрын
That uppercut would have knocked out a bull.
@abudujana13
@abudujana13 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, RSMORODINOV
@steveculbert4039
@steveculbert4039 3 жыл бұрын
Carnera's strength and weight overpower Sharkey. Sharkey has to work hard to get to Carnera.
@markunrau6399
@markunrau6399 4 жыл бұрын
40 years ago I'd read Sharkey kicked butt in the 1st fight then for 5 rounds (I'm assuming to prove to himself and/or others he was a better fighter)then fell "as if shot" because Italian mafia would've...I recently saw a clip and it didn't look fake....Liston obviously took a dive same with Seldom and that other guy too...now going to watch this....ok watched twice at 1/4 speed Sharkey was going down w/his head into the uppercut...always wondered someone that big/heavy w/muscles and vascularity he has to be powerful
@sugarlanskee8
@sugarlanskee8 12 жыл бұрын
@mra19100 We're reminded of Clay-Ali v Liston; "many believe..." but there's never been a smoking gun for either fight so both have to stand as are. As regards the "Ambling Alp"--maybe we ought to let his career stand as is, too.
@justthink5854
@justthink5854 5 жыл бұрын
oh come on. Sharkey took his dive. poor Primo had heart, huge strength, but could not punch. he was a mob creation portrayed in Bogie's last film The Harder They Fall. ironically, Max Baer who mauled him to take the title, played a killer champ in the movie. Max cried all his life after killing a man in the ring. he took up smoking soon after. what was a lark became a way for money and fame. Max was a lovable clown who never should have been in the ring. blessed/cursed with huge power and bad hands.
@Kidgavilan700
@Kidgavilan700 9 ай бұрын
Primo drop his left after every jab. Terrible trainer.
@jorgealbertofernandez5265
@jorgealbertofernandez5265 4 жыл бұрын
PRIMO CARNERA MONSTER CHAMPION
@deontemerritt91
@deontemerritt91 3 жыл бұрын
Primo Carnera was a hero who was a real champion defeating Jack Sharkey he will always be remembered as a champ I am going to honor his name at his grave on our birthday Primo Carnera and I we got the same born day always going to pay tribute for Primo Carnera “The Ambling Alp, The Gentle Giant , The Vast Venetian” a real boxing heavyweight undisputed champion 🇮🇹 🥊.
@crawlFace
@crawlFace 9 жыл бұрын
What do you think? cause I can see Primo being trained by Emanuel Steward lol. I know what everyone means by Primo "manufactured" but I still think it was fun to have that kind of hulking fighter around so that we can see how different styles match up against the supposed "size" advantage arguments. Most could agree Sharkey has more skill and ring IQ and he knew how to stick and move for the decision against bigger powerful fighters. Sure, the best version of Sharkey usually picks apart Primo but Primo could be competitive, especially when he gets the jab going and when he can block punches. Obviously the ko threat is always present. Sharkey at his best may consistently get the decision over Carnera. Then again Sharkey also brawls and mixes it up, so definitely expect Primo to land his share of punches.
@polymath7
@polymath7 8 жыл бұрын
+crawlFace The size advantage argument is no argument at all, since it consists simply of repeating the word "size" ad nauseam. It never gets anywhere beyond that. It also relies on both a correlation-causation fallacy and a ludicrous insufficiency of sample size. The "reasoning" of these people who say there will never be another dominant heavyweight under 220 pounds is exactly identical in logical structure to those who used to say there would never be another world class white heavyweight.
@crawlFace
@crawlFace 8 жыл бұрын
polymath7 There is an artificial tendency being supported by the business side, where big hulking people are rushed up the ranks just because their size makes them look imposing. What we get is this age of the super-heavy with terrible boxing skills. There are a few greats, but most of these guys have poor fundamentals and poor knowledge. Some a good at brawling, others good at taking up space and time, but hardly any actual have defensive/counter skills. Hardly any can really box. I don't see much knowledge in the ring today.
@Section5_CdnIntelService
@Section5_CdnIntelService 3 жыл бұрын
Prior to the fight Sharkey had a friendly visit from notorious gangster and murderer Al Capone. Al made it clear to Sharkey that it would be nice if a fellow Italian won the world title. A great deal of money would change hands if Carnera won and Sharkey would avoid wearing cement overshoes.
@petertodorov1792
@petertodorov1792 2 жыл бұрын
Sharkey admitted to the fix in later years His bout with Schmeling was also fixed
@steveculbert4039
@steveculbert4039 3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised the announcer says almost nothing about Sharkey's furious punches that snap Carnera's head back.
@neivaldoduarte4576
@neivaldoduarte4576 3 жыл бұрын
Sharkey me pareceu estar em fim de carreira... Carnera era um excelente boxer. Não sei o que houve com ele naquela luta com o Max Baer...
@jameshash9112
@jameshash9112 Жыл бұрын
The fact that, in those days, bouts had to last longer than five rounds in order for the fighters to receive twice as much money for the fight film led to A LOT of fighters "carrying" foes into the sixth. I think that is in play here. Some guys, like Sharkey, just couldn't make carrying an opponent "look good" and that may have given folks the impression that he threw the fight. Sharkey gave Primo far too many punching opportunities and it just may have cost him the title.
@jrupp8853
@jrupp8853 3 жыл бұрын
Legit ko....
@mra19100
@mra19100 12 жыл бұрын
@sugarlanskee8 unless it was the tank job many believe it was
@steveculbert4039
@steveculbert4039 3 жыл бұрын
Sharkey lands a bunch of punches to Carnera's head. I see Carnera as fast, not slow.
@ccali327
@ccali327 3 жыл бұрын
He hit him with one uppercut, and then finished with another. With the angle of that uppercut it's clear Sharkey couldn't see it coming. Primo was on the left side of Sharkey and Jack was bent so far down at the waist , I don't see how he could have braced himself for the shot. Def not enough evidence here to call this a fix. The uppercut clearly lifted his head way up on its own.
@BLUTOV
@BLUTOV Жыл бұрын
Incredibility strong, big heart and a willingness to take punishment, a tad oafish and crude...Primo wasn't all that bad...I've read he was a genial man outside the ring and cared for his family immensely.
@Section5_CdnIntelService
@Section5_CdnIntelService 10 жыл бұрын
watch Sharkey carrying his hands low shortly before the KO. he's looking to get kayoed!
@fredsmith3575
@fredsmith3575 7 жыл бұрын
It is possible that Sharkey was past his best in this fight .He had five more fights after this and he lost 4 of them .Carnera did put his legs into that uppercut .He was a lean 260 ,so even if he was not the most skill fighter he most of had some power if he put his legs/hips a bit into something .Bert sugar obviously exaggerated saying he went down by a invisible punch .He was past his best and 59 lb pounds lighter .Also ,i don't think Carnera was that bad a boxer .He lasted 6 rounds againest a young Joe louis and showed he had a heart of a Champion againest Max Baer for 11 rounds
@joegould4829
@joegould4829 7 жыл бұрын
Primo wasn't near as bad as some think. Tremendous heart.
@lastrada52
@lastrada52 4 жыл бұрын
Burt Sugar never climbed into the ring and exchanged punches. I did, in my youth. The crowd doesn't always feel and see what's going on. Primo was no bum. He was a big, well-toned muscled fighter and if you watch his footwork he seldom backs up even when hit. He often throws a pretty good jab too. He had more courage and pride than most fighters. Joe Louis admitted in an interview that Primo's punches were devastating & they hurt wherever they landed. If Primo was a bum why did he take so much punishment at times and remain standing? He could've thrown in the towel or taken a dive? Which would've looked obvious since he was no actor. He didn't. The mob connections were solely monetary. They put up purses and helped with the betting line. They didn't interfere with the fight because even the mob knew that would be bad publicity. Let's face it -- Primo lost to Baer & Louis and several other fighters of no name recognition. If he was a fixed fighter those no names would've been paid off. Primo has the highest heavyweight KO record (71) in the sport & 2nd win record with (88). Many boxers were ranked, so he didn't KO bums. No bum would get in the ring with a monster like Primo. Ezzard Charles has the most wins at 95.
@theresejoanis9942
@theresejoanis9942 Жыл бұрын
Thought Primo gave Joe Louis a decent fight for 4 rounds with a pretty good jab...Joe figured him out in the 5th and took him out in the 6th.
@jesusneverexisted300
@jesusneverexisted300 7 жыл бұрын
Jack Sharkey beat himself in this fight.
@relaxingnoob2202
@relaxingnoob2202 6 жыл бұрын
Technology 85 years ago
@atkinjyio
@atkinjyio 10 жыл бұрын
ask yourself the question who was the better fighter sharkey or carnera ? I think sharkey ALL DAY LONG
@elecelec4982
@elecelec4982 5 жыл бұрын
that is kind of a silly comment to say sharkey was the better fighter after he just got destroyed, hey some people like going to the dentist
@davidhulse395
@davidhulse395 8 жыл бұрын
interesting the first chump in the harder they fall was known as sailor. he was supposed to go in 1 but refused too and was killed for the double cross. Sharkey did his job.
@3dpooltile829
@3dpooltile829 5 ай бұрын
That looked legit to me.
@steveculbert4039
@steveculbert4039 3 жыл бұрын
Carnera can really take a punch.
@largelester
@largelester Жыл бұрын
From like his 12 year old son. Really should be in a different weight class.
@Backupdivita
@Backupdivita 3 жыл бұрын
Primo🇮🇹
@joeblow2069
@joeblow2069 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of stories written about Carnera depict him similar to the fighter in Bogey's last film "The harder they fall". A big dumb guy with little skill who was used. Carnera had enough skill to win a world championship and he did not die penniless at all. He had a grocery and deli business which for a person of his background was about as well as you can do.
@Kidgavilan700
@Kidgavilan700 9 ай бұрын
Well said However it’s on the record that almost all of Primos fights were set up. Sharkey was very inconsistent his entire career and I think this fight was on the level
@johngerard3218
@johngerard3218 8 жыл бұрын
Carnera was a much better fighter than given credit for. He would not have beaten Jess Willard who in prime was a tough, hard, durable man, but imo would have beaten both of the Klitschko boys.
@729888
@729888 7 жыл бұрын
John Gerard no freakin' way he's in the same league as the fighters of today.
@michaelmetcalfe4882
@michaelmetcalfe4882 7 жыл бұрын
He is at least a bit better than he is given credit for, though I disagree with your fight picks. He could outpoint Willard over 12 or 15 rounds but gets stopped by either Klitschko in around 8 or 9.
@sevfan1
@sevfan1 8 жыл бұрын
Sharkey sure sold it.
@vincentfisher1603
@vincentfisher1603 8 жыл бұрын
+Herbert Smith I have on my lap a December 1982 issue of KO magazine. Jack Sharkey was interviewed and he said he was not mentally 100% for the return match. His quotes: "I didn't think much of Carnera as a fighter. He had enough beef packed on his bones but his head was weightless and empty." "I underestimated Carnera considerably, but I was in great condition for our championship fight." He also said neither he or his management team were in league with gangsters. Sharkey did admit he was troubled with the controversies that erupted during his career (bouts with Harry Will, Jack Dempsey and Max Schmeling) that affected his thoughts on his boxing career. He was 79 years old for this interview.
@sevfan1
@sevfan1 8 жыл бұрын
+Vincent Fisher I don't know about this one. He takes a snooze from a guy with mob connections whose not a great hitter.
@vincentfisher1603
@vincentfisher1603 8 жыл бұрын
Hey. I'm simply reporting what Sharkey said and if you look at the film of the bout Carnera landed cleanly.
@sevfan1
@sevfan1 8 жыл бұрын
+Vincent Fisher I understand. I see the punch, just not sure if it's all that devastating.
@deontemerritt91
@deontemerritt91 3 жыл бұрын
Primo Carnera knocked out Jack Sharkey with a right uppercut at 21:20 I Love this fight I Love Primo Carnera best boxer ever a legend “The Ambling Alp” 🇮🇹🥊.
@steveculbert4039
@steveculbert4039 3 жыл бұрын
Carnero is not slow. Sharkey is fast.
@getredytagetredy
@getredytagetredy 5 жыл бұрын
It's a shame Jack threw this fight...but he probably earned a better purse...
@davefreeman1499
@davefreeman1499 Жыл бұрын
max bear knocked carnera out.
@steveculbert4039
@steveculbert4039 3 жыл бұрын
Ttemendoos fight!
@elruscortina
@elruscortina Жыл бұрын
While "The Harder They Fall" was a poignant film for a number of reasons, it was also an insult to Carnera, who was not just a caricature of a big fighter. Da Preem was a formidable heavyweight, who won the title outright.
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