Read a great book recently, called 'The Five' (Hallie Rubenhold). It's entirely the stories of the lives of the five women, with little to mention of the Ripper. Really interesting, and as you say, it returns a good deal of humanity to these women.

@@Live0nnnI’ll check it out! Thank you

Never thought of that 🤔

Holy crap!

All because in the cases of not having the four pence, very sad indeed.

Indeed

It's all linked, you have to look at the social circumstances that not only led to these women's unfortunate demise but also created such a person as the Ripper.

You have worn some hats in your journey through life young sir, a soldier a police man, a historian at Warwick castle and now a film maker/historian. You are an impressive man Kevin and I doff my hat to you sir.

I mean they wanna know the ripper well since he barely has any identity but there isnt really much to learn after that considering it would just be theories honestly

Gosh, that's interesting 👍🏻

And the guy who Watkins & company have been searching for was Charles Allen Lechmere (also Charles Cross at the inquest). :) QC James Scobie agrees the case against him is strong enough to go to the modern murder trial.

Great grandmother you mean?

Those times have alreadt returned.

Thanks Kat 👍🏻

@@thehistorysquad And thank you for your compassionate and thorough approach. When I have time later in the week, I'm looking forward to checking out some of your channel's other offerings. I love finding new history-tubers who treat people from the past like actual people instead of othering them.

Weird, I was just thinking about The ripper crimes just 2 days ago, never typed anything in, never mentioned it to anyone and now thks pops into my suggestion list

This stupid, horrible stuff still happens. The police still barely care. Robert Pickton did similar stuff and got away with it for years. Eventually they got hold of him, yes, but only after many more unnecessary murders.

​@@Algorithm_work_your_magicwell your name says it all

Sadly a common story. Thanks for sharing that 👍🏻

How terrible. I’m sorry for your families friend.

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dreadful. was the stranger from abroad origin, like near or middle east? here in central europe, quite a lot (certainly not all of them!) of capital crimes and [the bad r-word that rhymes on grape] happen by asylum seeking persons who are invited by irresponsible EU politicians.

@@the_rover1 but but but you're not allowed to speak the truth. that's offensive!

That's very kind, thank you too. 👍🏻

@@thehistorysquadHello Mr. Hicks, I’m not sure you may see this, as you get quite a few comments on your videos. But you have created in my opinion, one the most entertaining yet informative channels on KZfaq. I find myself watching tonnes of your videos in the background at work, and it’s honestly amazing to try to imagine the diorama or model you’re describing, then look down at my phone to see how close my imagination was. Thank you sir!

@@1C3CR34M Hello and thank you for your kind words, I'm glad you've been enjoying the videos and appreciate you watching 👍🏻

Yes these women were alive when my great great grandmother was 3 and she lived until 1985. It seems like such a long time ago but it really wasn’t

Oh yes, it's a reproduction for sure. I don't have the budget, or the heart, to test on an original 😜

Like the Gilgo Beach victims in NY. Those women mattered.

Catherine Eddows actually did have a normal job as a housekeeper for a wealthy family but was fired for her excessive drinking.

Katherine Eddowes was born in Merridale Street only a quarter of a mile from where I currently live. There is now a Caribbean church where the house stood in the Graisley area of Wolverhampton . There is a blue plaque on the outside of the church building stating that the site was the birthplace of Katherine E.

@@keithbate9405 you wonder why the monster ripped these women apart. Where the rage came from.

V true

A very large proportion of people with drug or alcohol dependency are living with the memory of past trauma or abuse. Drugs or alcohol are a short term coping mechanism even though they often destroy those who are desperate to forget. Hunger or homelessness comes second to blotting out their memories.

@@numberstation absolutely,

RIGHT ON!

Wow, that's a unique specialty! I'm sure you have some stories to tell!

@@kaylagray7935 for sure! I spent three years in Iraq.

That's kind Lyn, thanks for watching & welcome to the channel 👍🏻

Your American Serial killer H H Homes was in Whitechapel at the same time as the murders. His name was recorded in a ships log that docked from New York! A women called Elizabeth Long last saw Annie Chapman talking to an adult male on Hanbury street and I think he resembled your H H Homes. He was dark. She described him as wearing a brown deer-stalker hat, and she thought he had on a dark coat, but was not quite certain of that. She could not say what the age of the man was, but he looked to be over 40, and appeared to be a little taller than deceased. He appeared to be a foreigner, and had a 'shabby genteel' appearance. Witness could hear them talking loudly, and she overheard him say to the woman, "Will you?" to which she replied, "Yes." Another witness described the suspect as having mustache just like A A Homes.

Wow I bet you have some interesting stories!

Thank you

Thank you fore your time Bless you

Wow, that's so kind of you Julie, thank you.

Wow, thank you so much!

I couldn't imagine living hand to mouth at every moment. Illness, injury and any number of misfortunes would upset this meager scratching by. I've read the workhouses were dreaded places used only by the desperate and hopeless. The workhouse was the very bottom so I can imagine why prostitution was preferable to where these unfortunate ladies had some way independence. Booze was the only escape from this squalid surviving-not living. From what I've read Mary Kelly was actually quite pretty and used to be an 'upper echelon' lady of the night with gentlemen and wealthy clients. But her drinking made her volatile and it was beginning to take a toll on her looks so in streets of Whitechapel began her downward slide. We'll never know what she looked like because the killer went absolutely beyond anything we can imagine in his bloodlust. I hope God grants these women eternal peace.

Thank you Steven, that's very kind.

It's such a tragedy because you had the poorest of the poor in Ireland moving in with the poorest of the poor in London, a recipe to make every even more poor. It really was awful. 👍🏻

The Irish where made poor on purpose by policy of the british government. Only for america we would have been wiped off the face of the earth. It was not long after the Great famine. Once they had more to travel futher they did or the english landlords paid a bit more to clear them off the land in Ireland. No Irish person wanted to go to England. The sorrow visited on Ireland by the British Empire was horrendous no wonder James Joyce said the alantic ocean was made from the tears of the Irish.

​@@thehistorysquadThat's why Glasgow , is known as Glasgow Irish.

​@@ainekearney9041 Yup Genocide by the British. They say famine " nope it was Genocide.

​​​@@ainekearney9041The wealthy were no less cruel to the poor & impoverished of Britain, who used to be transported to the " new world " as a way of solving the poor problem, whenever the rich thought there were too many poor about. The Irish certainly suffered, but no more than their British counterparts. My own lawless Scottish Lowland Clan, was amongst the many who were rounded up & transported to the " new world ", the Scottish Border Reivers Clans & the English Reiver Families. The men were renowned light horsemen & sent to Belgium to fight for a King they didn't recognise, sent to die in the bogs of Ireland, sent to work the plantations or other work as indentured slaves to the " new world. " Their lands were taken by the rich & those that remained, were made indentured slaves to that rich family & put to work on what had been their own land ! Many were simply hung ! The Border Reivers on both sides, did not recognise the Scottish or the English Kings, their allegiance was to their Clan or Family. The wealthy, looked upon those who weren't as sub human !

This book is very interesting, for instance it puts forward the idea that Polly Nichol's husband cheated on her (and set up home with their neighbour) and so she had to leave the family home, and it was he who said the relationship broke down because of her drinking. The author says there isn't conclusive evidence that Polly was a prostitute, and that her husband reported her for taking up with another man because then he would not have to pay money to her as maintenance. She just formed another relationship after they had separated. It was too expensive for working class people to divorce. Men could separate if a women was seen as an adulterer, and would no longer have to pay to support her, but a woman could not claim adultery as a basis of divorce so there was a double standard. Women who were down and out were automatically assumed to be fallen women morally and women living on the streets were assumed to be prostitutes at any man's disposal, whether or not they were. The five women were all betrayed by people in their lives one way or another, they all strike me as interesting characters who did not fit in with the confines of their social situation as working class women, and were made vulnerable to a repulsive predator because of this, and some of the unfair assumptions persist about them today. When Polly Nichol's husband identified her body, he reportedly said "I forgive you on account of all you have been to me". Which I find encapsulates this idea about how these women were viewed, and which the book redresses.

Lovely, thank you.

Thank you so much for that comment, it's so true and so sad. It's one of the reasons I wanted to cover it, especially the poverty angle. We could put the world to rights over a pint 👍🏻

Unfortunately wealth and poverty still coexist today. 😢

Yes they do and things are only getting worse

And this at a time when Britain was the richest country in the world.

Yes, it's on my bookshelf now, the People of the Abyss, what an eye opener to the poverty experienced back then 👍🏻

Thanks Brenda, I really appreciate that.

Poverty during those times really makes my blood boil, the disparity and injustice of it all. My wife Julie's grandmother was born in one of those workhouses. She was eventually brought up in a convent (school we think) and became a nurse so was lucky to escape the poverty. Jack London's book People of the Abyss is a sobering read. 👍🏻

@@thehistorysquad I read that when was quite young. There's poverty in my heritage as well. My great grandmother lost her husband to TB which she also contracted. At that times she and her children lived on an East Texas farm. Everyone thinks it’s warm until they experience what’s called a blue norther, basically an ice storm.. She crawled from the farnhouse to a creek and broke ice to get water for herself and her children. They had very little food. Somehow they survived. I come from a lot of tough women.

Thank you, will do 👍🏻

He was a top mason. You can read Warrens attempt to find the Arch of the Covenant in Israel. He knew more about the Ripper than anyone else but kept it quiet.

Thanks Emma 👍🏻

Cheers Jason, welcome

That's great William, thanks and welcome to the channel 👍🏻

Thanks Rick, welcome 👍🏻

My pleasure, they deserve a voice. Welcome to the channel 👍

Hello and thank you so much for your kind words. Welcome to the channel, I hope you enjoy your retirement as much as I'm enjoying mine and making these videos. 👍🏻

Kevin's great, he shows you all angles. From an arrow shot at a helmet to give you a medieval soldiers point of view to other great presentations. Can't get enough of the great historian. Thanks Kevin 🦉👍

You are so welcome!

My pleasure 😊

Thanks Melissa, I appreciate that.

Thanks Ricky!

Wow, thanks Victor. Hi, how lovely to hear from you - glad you like the videos 👍🏻

Thank you for your kind words, these women had lives, they mattered., I'm glad that came through 👍🏻

Thank you & welcome aboard!

Saw it too, still one of the most gruesome pics ever taken.

@@geomidia8998 I saw it also. So difficult to distinguish what I was looking at. Her face....horrific..and so sad.

Thank you so much. 👍🏻

Is this the one between the Sainsbury's and Whitechapel gym.

I must visit that spot. To me that feels like going to Danvers (Salem) Massachusetts. Pilgrimage to honor the women and add in LGBTQIA and other minorities cut down in hatred. I’m not a spiritual person but it feels like liminal space sacred ground.

@@kariannstickle2708what does the IA mean ? Or stand for?