What has always annoyed me is that Mary gets called out on her bloody business. But Elizabeth is celebrated and she honestly was even more tyrannical and bloody. Course neither held a candle to their father. Henry VIII was the worst Tudor.

@@als3022 Yet a good and strong king for the country. As Elizabeth was as queen. The same cannot be said for Mary.

@@als3022 The Tudor dynasty has quite a high body count, though I think Elizabeth’s is higher than Mary’s because of her rule lasting 40 years longer than Mary’s. Though another interesting aspect to that is Mary and Elizabeth both suffered similar traumas; both their mothers divorced, though while Katherine was not executed, Henry kept her and Mary deliberately separated, even when Katherine was on her deathbed, and both go from being the Princess Royal to being bastards and rightfully fearing for their and their friends lives. Since Elizabeth was younger she was able to learn from from Mary’s mistakes and her own tempestuous life.

@@als3022 I believe the fact that Elizabeth didn’t impose her Protestant beliefs on those who were Romanists sets her apart. Her reign started off with assassination attempts by Romanists. She had to be strong. But I never want to equate violence to an individual and an unjustly convicted person is alright.

@@Yeoman1346 There are also records if priests being tortured to reveal their flock to be persecuted. Reading the handful that escaped primary documents is harrowing. And all under Elizabeth. They really try to make it seem like she was forced to, but she was known by her courtiers as having a terrible temper, to where she physically assaulted them. It was fodder for comedies set in the period in the 80s. Not that I am saying they are alone. This is the cusp of the 30 years war, and a hundred other terrible events. And Bloody rulers. Elizabeth is in good, or bad, company.

Not Catholic here, but pretty sure she was killing people for not doing what she wanted. It comes off as "a Catholic did this" and that her faith literally compelled to her kill people! However, she was a very hurt person and we can assume maybe her father's betrayal of her mother and their faith made her so intense! She killed people, and she happened to be Catholic!

The Saint Bartholomew Day Massacre and the Spanish Inquisition come to mind.

The higest form of evil, comes from religion. Now, not all religious people are bad, but a werry large amount of them are. And thats for the reason all religions teach their believers that it's okey to do evil unto others if they dont belive EXACTLY what you belive. They all claim otherwise, but track record shows a different fact.

Really? I am Catholic, English father, British Australian mother, educated in my faith in primary school with a gap of four years in secondary school when in Kuala Lumpur at the time, there wasn't a Catholic convent school teaching in English so did not attend a Catholic school for the 4 years and then went to St Maur's/St George's College, Weybridge (Catholic) for the last two years in UK. It never escaped my notice that Mary Tudor, last Catholic queen of England, was held accountable for Protestant martyrs. I found, however, that the English excused or glossed over the Catholic - and other, non-conformist Protestant - martyrs made by Elizabeth I. Propaganda whitewashed Elizabeth. I'm surprised you could miss the deaths ascribed to Mary Tudor, particularly as the British still call her 'Bloody Mary'. My experience of Catholic education has evidently been entirely different from yours.

Reflect on the nuances and reject religion for the cancer that it is. People saying "I was raised catholic." in that mildly boastful way is perfectly horrifying. It's not impressive to anyone a proves you to be a bit of a dope. Just so you know.

Alas, no mention of how the Great William Shakespeare had to conceal his Catholic faith for fear of the same fate. How we look back through history with blinders!

How lovely, thanks!

I agree.. Marvelous

Thanks Nicholas, will do!

Start burning in the public arena… the PEOPLE❤ will notice and fear. That’s what they want.

Thank you. I've always thought how wonderful it would be if the whole Christian faith could unite.

@@thehistorysquad That would be very lovely! What unites us is very great, namely Christ’s life, death and resurrection and our hope in Him.

You cannot convince me that those who murdered other believers in the name of Christ are Christian. The Scriptures say, "Ye know that no murderer hath eternal life".

@@SGBass Sadly Christians can also be miserable sinners. Those who do evil to others are disobedient to God but they can still be Baptized Christians. That God for his mercy to those who repent.

I agree. How often is love taught in the scriptures?

How interesting my ancestor is Ellen Donworth, a victim of Thomas Neill Cream, the Lambeth Poisoner ^^

I live near the monument for Rowland Tayler. If I'm ever there, I'll place some flowers on it for you x

That is super interesting! A rev and dr too! Very cool.

I know Rowland's monument well - I was born and raised in Hadleigh and still live in the area. We get told the tale at school. Or we did, at least, when I was younger (a lonnng time ago!)

I'm a descendant of Rowland as well! He is my 12th great-grandfather.

I'm just down the road from there, had no idea about this bit of history in the area

A great comment Monica, spot on 👍🏻

Fascinating sir, we are all sinners! Thank you!

Some were garotted. Brutal. The reasoning behind their suffering is the still-current doctrine of catholiscm that believes you attain to your own salvation by suffering. So physical agony earns you merit thru purgatory. Think of flagellation (still practised) or hair shirts, or painful pilgrimages. Christ's death on the cross - in catholiscm, means you get the right to earn your own salvation - exactly what the protestants were opposing in the first place! BTW Mother Theresa believed the same, and would not allow pain relief for her suffering cancer patients. It's disgusting - and definitely contrary to foundational Biblical teaching!

​@@mimimatasar3699some are worse than others. Far, far worse. No excuses!

@@kelrogers8480 Please no lectures on my interpretation s.

I agree 100%.

But since when does not being happy justify such brutality? The families of the innocent people she tortured weren't exactly happy, either!

Evil woman .

⁠​⁠@@kelrogers8480 It’s not a justification for her actions, but Mary 1st was not truly happy at any time in her life. This would have significantly impacted her emotional development and ability to feel empathy. In all this, she only has two guides in her life. Religion and her Mother’s legacy. She was faced with a father who betrayed her mother and as good as killed her. Therefore her mother, and by extension anything Spanish and Catholic was pure and righteous. In comparison anything to do with her father was evil. It is quite possible that watching the martyrs burn was cathartic for her. And, it is important to note that because she was abandoned so heavily, even in comparison to Elizabeth (who was at least Protestant in the eyes of Henry), she was effectively left to stew in poverty, vitriol, loneliness, and rejection with only the knowledge that Protestantism and Henry’s own selfishness ruined the lives of herself and her mother. And that was for 37 years. Even someone with non-violent inclinations would have questionable sanity by that point. So she wanted acceptance and clung to any vestige of what she had perceived as righteous for the preceding 37 years. Add to that the strength of faith at the time and you have a recipe for disaster. Imagine being denied your whole life and told you’re basically the devil’s child. Then imagine suddenly finding an entire army which is willing to follow you based on your divine right to rule. Suddenly, you’re Queen. Additionally, remember that Philip’s envoy was her only real confidant. That would certainly make it hard to see anything outside the borders of your beliefs with sound reasoning or empathy. I am not saying that she is innocent because of these circumstances, only that she failed to resist mental damage and directed her pain and hatred to the outside world, while being taught that her actions were justified through religion. You could not call Mary sane. There is a point where religious fanaticism becomes a mental illness, and Mary had crossed that point. Tbh, the more I hear about Mary’s life, the more I think of the film Saint Maud. Unfortunately mental illness was not a consideration in choosing a Monarch. Religion took precedence. While the public nature and brutality of the executions carried out during her rule is comparable to some of the worst of history, I can’t really see her as being much more accountable than Danaerys, in that both valued themselves only for their positions as divine (in their own perception) rulers and had lost all those of importance. Was Mary malicious? Yes. Was she needlessly cruel? Yes. Does she deserve the title of Bloody in comparison to the monarchs around her? Yes. Was she mentally ill? Certainly. Had she grown up with love, could she have been healthy? Yes. In the end, it should be remembered that she was a product of the seething hatred within Henry 8th’s rule and his own lack of suitability as a father. Mary did not stand much of a chance, and what slim chance there was, was probably crushed by a mixture of genetic and environmental factors, in addition to her own disposition. She is pitiable, but not to the extent of innocence or exoneration. To quote a particular crime podcast “Don’t fck up your kids”. It can make monsters.

Glad to hear it! Cheers 👍🏻

Thanks for your comment. My gun in the British Army protected a Muslim village from Christians. Most of the women and children had already been murdered but just a few miles away was a Christian village where everybody had been murdered. And it's sometimes hard for me as a Christian to even acknowledge modern day religions, they can be just as violent today as they ever used to be.

@@thehistorysquad Thanks for your reply and thanks for sharing. God bless

And particularly religion!

Yes, even today.

​@@Dave.Thatcher1Today in the Western world, you're safe with that. The royal family, though? Nope.

I suggest Edward Duffy's book "The Stripping of the Altars". It's a thorough evaluation of the religious development of England from 1480 to 1600. Sadly modern education can really demonize the Catholics and by all means the burning of individuals is absolutely horrible, but it's quite literally an accusation made against your enemies that you yourself are guilty of. People talk a lot about Bloody Mary and her 300 deaths but little is talked about Henry VIIIs some 80,000 clergy that he killed. The English reformation would rip England apart at the seams and it would never be whole again

@@Fr.Damian SO England's Crown would have Passed to Spain to a bunch of Habsburg Inbreds and not be English no more? For Henery it wasn't so much about religion . It was the Fate of England and the English. Elizabeth 1 would have never have been Queen (The Golden Age ) The American Colonies might have never happened . Slavery Might have never ended. The Ottomans With the Germans Might have Taken Europe in WW1 . Free Speech, Freedom of Religion and Political Free Speech things we today take for granted may not have happened . By WW2 England would be as backwards as Spain during WW2 . Of course I'm not Giving Henery Credit for any of this . But doing one thing sets off a chain of later events . The Corruption and overreach of the Catholic Church back then had to be dealt with . And to deny this is living in a fairy land. Those Catholics who still want to defend Catholic Rome of that time are NUTS. And need some serious help. Yes Henry could have lock up clergy or exiled them that wouldn't support his reforms And kept the Abby's intact as State institutions of England NOT Rome . And on a Personal note you and I would not be having this open conversion . The Printing Press would have been Controlled by the Catholic Monarchs and now the Internet . I wouldn't have been born My Ancestors Were Congregationalist (Calvinist in those days) and never would have been forced to the Colonies in 1635. Think about it.

Look up 30 years war for some really messed up stuff between Protestant's and Catholics.

Your words shall be honoured, Good Sir.

Yikes those are no fun. :-/ At least you didn't lose any digits. And soon you'll have an interesting scar to tell the grandkids about. Heal up soon :-)

Thanks Loki, I appreciate that.

We see people online today saying those who don't believe exactly how they want deserve to be shunned, lose their jobs, and even be killed. As much as things change, they remain the same.

Most people in the area would have watched it with glee and even used it as a day of entertainment. The sad reality is most humans are capable of this. They only need a reason to believe others will accept them for it and at that point......nothing is off limits. The same thing is going on today as we march happily towards WW3. Nobody talking about peace or negotiations.....just preaching their virtues but when the nukes fly we will all burn. Humans are mostly animals with a few brilliant minds here and there. The crowd is a source of unending brutality.

That's great to hear, thank you! If you have the opportunity to share our videos with your homeschool community and any social media groups you're with, that would be awesome.

@@thehistorysquad will do Kevin. Thank you.

Thanks, I appreciate that.

Thanks 👍🏻

Cheers 👍🏻

It is said that usually the family of the condemned would bribe the executioner to put a bale of wet hay on the fag-ots so that when fired up the smoke from the wet hay would smother the victim and die from asphyxiation. So the condemned would be already dead when the fire reaches them. There’s a German medieval executioner that wrote a diary of his exploits, and he wrote the many time he "did a favor" for condemned (given bribed). He would then execute them thru sword decapitation, which is swift and quick, rather than the slow form of hanging or the brutal way by wheel breaking.

I feel sorry for Vlad. Him and his brother. I'm not saying how he treated people is rightous, just that how he was treated was not either. Tends to be that way with history. Very rarely are there hero's, JFKs, Martin Luthor King juniors, Ghandis...Martyrs or saints if you will, and their stories almost always have the same ending. Sometimes this seems like a dark, dark world indeed. There's not enough compassion. And that's why I feel sorry for Vlad

@@Blessed_V0id I agree. Thats a good way of putting it.

@@davesmith7432 Thanks man. I appreciate it

Thank you kindly 😉

P.S. Forgot to mention that I HAVE subscribed to your channel!!!!

Hi Stephanie, thanks for subscribing, welcome to the channel. You're right about the gunpowder, but it had to be attached tight because of the way gunpowder burns when it's not contained in something, it doesn't actually explode unless it's contained. Sometimes sadly the flames wouldn't reach the gunpowder in time and the victim would suffer greatly.

Glad you enjoy it, thanks!

Thank you very much!

Haha, cheers Arthur 👍🏻

Thanks very much!

Glad you enjoy them! Thanks 👍🏻

Excellent. Thanks & welcome 👍🏻

Thanks 👍🏻

Haha, thanks Tom. I'm already on it, I have a plague mask and a dead frog......we're on our way 😜

Thank you so much I’ve never found history so interesting before

@Tom Dyer He is great, I actually watch until the end of the videos lol

@@chaicrimes just waiting on the plague and Black Death. It’s so interesting though Kev just brings it all to life

@@tommy123dyer True!

Thanks Cora, you're very welcome!

Best of luck!

Thanks mate. Indeed, I couldn't read the whole description out, it was too horrific for YT

Having read Foxe's Book myself, I cannot help but agree. Mary must have been a monster to enjoy such horrific torture.

My pleasure!

Thanks Michele & welcome to the channel. If you haven't already you might want to check out my video on the Protestant martyr Anne Askew, it's quite harrowing though. But I'll be doing a video shortly on a Catholic martyr too.

@@thehistorysquad Will do. Thanks again. I recalled that my grades in any particular year were as a result of style / voice of the teacher. You're perfect! 🤗

Thanks

"Literally broke her heart". NO. Metaphorically,figuratively, but not literally.

The Catholic Church supported all she did, and still does. They had a special medal struck for the massacre of the Huguenots, and still celebrate it today. It's an evil and violent religion, and has murdered more Jews than any Muslims ever have - not to mention protestants, who simply wanted to actually read the Bible!

​@@rowbearly6128I'm sure the families of those burnt alive were heartbroken, too!

@@kelrogers8480 Well,yes, as you'd expect.

Yes I do, I'll chat about them some day for sure 👍🏻. If you look at my Berlin Wall video, you'll see them in the background

@@thehistorysquad i watched the video but didnt see them i will have to go back and look👍

That's not true at all. If that was the case there would still be slavery and women wouldn't be able to vote. I could go on and on. It's a myth humans don't learn from history or mistakes. Sure there are many instances where people do not, but as a whole we move on.

And Bloody Elizabeth too!

Henry VII is really the least bloody of them all. His descendents had the blood lust.

@@MichaelWilliams-tv1bm no

Had there been no jesus there would have been none of these barbarities

get back on the meds tony.@@tonybiddle6668

Hey, thanks! Yes, Jason's an OBE and I'm a BEM (my honour is military)

My pleasure!!

Absolutely, a great comment David, thanks 👍🏻

Well the religiosity is quite extreme in parts of America. I've been following US politics for about 6 or 7 years from 🇬🇧 specifically 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿. I also follow religion from the non religious side not specifically America but most material is by people based in America. I'm not religious myself.

These were the days before significant scientific advancement. Religion was so important to people because it explained how the world worked. They really believed in things like the divine right of kings and that famine was caused by upsetting God. Being the wrong religion, especially in Tudor England at this time where the monarch's legitimacy depended on the denomination, was basically saying that you questioned the order and legitimacy of how the world worked and society.

So is my husband! Mind you, John had eleven children, so there are probably quite a few of you, but it's good to "meet" another one.

My pleasure Susie, thank you.

Cheers Perry, welcome aboard!

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy it! 👍🏻

Exactly, and not like Elizabeth didn't do worse.

@@als3022 Indeed. It's really interesting if you put things into perspective - Henry VII emerged as a king after a long civil war where allegiances changed daily. He himself first being a hostage, then fleeing England to France to avoid getting his head chopped off, only to return in a bid to claim the throne where two warring families were completely exhausted by fighting. Now one would assume these days that Henry's claim to the throne was legitimate (and it was in a way), but it was still a very shaky claim. Given that the rebellion against a legitimate king by the Bolingbroke s what kicked off the whole affair and left the country in turmoil, it also set a dangerous precedent - any monarch could be deposed by a strong enough noble with sufficient parliamentary support (It did happen with Cromwell!). Henry VII remembered this and was ruthless in the field of realpolitik, a thing that most likely he taught to his own son, given how quickly you could lose favour in the court of Henry's VIII. Now this is the atmosphere where young Edward, young Mary and young Elizabeth were all raised. And that left a big trauma on them (There are two fantastic books on Anne Boleyn and Lady Mary Jane by Eric Ives and Alison Weir respectively, that discuss this in detail). But also these events taught these young monarchs that mercy is not a virtue but a weakness. You could lose the throne to a rebellion so it's better to snuff out the problem in its wake. The Tudor dynasty was exceedingly bloody because of that feeling mistrust planted by emerging from the War of Roses. Compare that to the later two of the Stuart dynasty kings, where as Charles I, who thought of himself as more of a philosopher king - a true enlightened monarch, even with the Gunpowder plot being found out was very careful where he pointed the finger at for the sake of public peace.

A great comment and thanks for the recommendations, I know the books 👍🏻

@@LordCommander I agree a very good comment. And with excellent context. And got to write these down for more learning

@@als3022 just shut it with constantly trying to paint Elizabeth as worse! in fact, unlike Mary, Elizabeth wasn't cruel to her enemies for no reason (yes, no reason! there's no excuse in burning people alive which you think are sinners and shit and trying to justify it by saying you're cleaning them, that's exactly what a psychopath says) there death sentence on her head by the leader of Catholic church and with that price, of course catholics, outside of all of their crimes, did try to murder her as well, and if you think she's the same as Mary for punishing those who were trying to kill her, you're more ignorant than you know! and unlike Mary, Elizabeth did bring something positive to her country and was strong! not only she saved her country from Catholic church's slavery, she brought so many successions as well, art, science, astronomy, everything that in Mary or Catholic's reign would be called sin or witchcraft and be burned alive! what Mary brought outside of a half decade hellhole?

Gosh, that's interesting. Thanks for watching 👍🏻

It really wasn’t much worse than other reigns though. And, not that it makes it okay, but things were different back then. They believed that heresy to be like a sickness that is contagious and can be passed to others. So, in her mind, it was her duty to protect her people and their souls.

Will do, thanks 👍

Pity they did not live for 'christ'. By the way Jesus is all made up fables.

They werent martyred for their faith in christ. They were murdered for HOW they showed faith in Christ.

@@dyansis exactly. They both worshiped the same thing just in different ways. That’s the whole sad comedy of the two factions.

Cheers Peter, so sorry we missed you in Warwick last week, but we'll be back again 👍🏻

Yeah, and pretty grisly too 👍🏻

Humans blind themselves.

I think there are enough examples in the last century alone that show that anything can blind people to reason. It's not like science didn't do horrible things in the 20th century.

I do plan to pick some of the martyrs off one by one, so probably yes 👍🏻

If you confessed in the end you would be garroted before. Although that was more a Spanish thing.

Thanks for listening

Thank you! Will do!

Hey Tyler, thanks! I just did a random Google Meet session with our Patrons, it was great to meet everyone and chat about history & all sorts. Maybe see you next time. Cheers buddy 👍🏻

Awesome, thank you!