Japanese Teacher Grades Your Japanese #4 (GAME-CHANGING Pitch-accent Rule!)

Japanese Teacher Grades Your Japanese #4 (GAME-CHANGING Pitch-accent Rule!) | Dōgen

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@Dogen Жыл бұрын

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@shweyin 3 жыл бұрын

WOWOWOW I CANT BELIEVE IT!!! Thank you soooo much for reviewing my Japanese!! I don't believe I'm there quite yet but this was super motivating to hear!!! ありがとうございます！！！相変わらず凄い勉強になりました！！！

@jamyfu6464 3 жыл бұрын

Shweyin Than you’re so sexy. I love you.

@user-ut9iy8mq3d 3 жыл бұрын

@@jamyfu6464 やれやれだぜ

@moodbeast 3 жыл бұрын

You got an ENTIRE episode! You are so lucky!!! Oh, and well done btw.

@MarkRosa 3 жыл бұрын

Shu, you're waaaay ahead of the game for just three years of study! I think back to my Japanese 301 class long ago, and nobody was anywhere close to that!

@lloydmeadors 3 жыл бұрын

His pronunciation is great, I agree Dogen. I live in Sapporo and most of my foreign friends you can tell they're not Japanese, though I'm often confused for Japanese until they see me(myself being foreign here) his pronunciation almost sounds native

@mytuhb213 3 жыл бұрын

For me, a native Japanese speaker, this series is useful for learning both of Japanese and English. You teach me Japanese deeper through foreigner's eyes/ears, which is so interesting. And I thank you all here for having interests in Japan!

@jamesatem6046 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I love 😘😘❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ Japanese society and I am currently learning Japanese.

@KuroShiiiro 2 жыл бұрын

i feel the same about english. anytime its a secondary language, I'm love to let them use it just to see how they've interpreted it

@user-du4mq9yf7i Жыл бұрын

日本人でもよくわかっていない

@___xyz___ 3 жыл бұрын

1:42 This is a humble nod that I hear far too rarely. To state that "I am capable of helping you improve a skill which you demonstrate better than me" is, in fact, logically coherent, although many think otherwise. Whether an expert or not, I believe it's incredibly important to constructively criticise one another not as "someone who knows better", but as someone with a complimentarily different perspective. This is the kind of comment I would be reserved to give outside the context of philosophy, but you demonstrate an enthos reinforcing level of practical communication that I myself struggle to achieve, and I hope you continue to do so more often.

@Nonameron 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, I did not expect to learn to give proper feedback when I clicked this video. I am certain that I have come off rude many times when giving feedback. Thank you for your comment, I'll be sure to remember it.

@LetsaskShogo 3 жыл бұрын

A common mistake that I often recognize is using like "申します" a polite style of Japanese, then using "俺" after it. "俺" is actually only used among friends and family...

@r.m.l.5487 2 жыл бұрын

Genuine question: is 僕 fine to use as a guy in a more polite/ formal setting? Because I have been doing that and never have been corrected by my Japanese teachers (they are Japanese themselves). It just feels off to say 私... I do realise in a more informal/friend setting I should probably get used to saying 俺, but we don't tend to use that in the course :')

@MiaH56 Жыл бұрын

@@r.m.l.5487 For me, if you are a college student that's okay if you use 僕 but if you are older than that I suggest you to use 私 in a work place or somewhere formal. I'd rather say that I prefer men use 私 in a work place because it sounds professional. Although some people intentionally uses 僕 from time to time to give people impression that he's cute/naive, etc. So what I am trying to say here is, it's not if it's correct or wrong but it's what impression you would like to give in a polite/formal setting.

@Catgatroid Жыл бұрын

@@r.m.l.5487 僕　is decently formal, you need to be aware of the pitch accent though, theres a immature way to say it, and a normal way

@user-cq3fd6td7m 3 жыл бұрын

3年でこのレベルは凄すぎる...

@nomongosinthaworld 3 жыл бұрын

すごいのは間違いないけど、単純に言うと勉強方法の選び方が賢い。母語話者を真似することが一番

@dungantiger3018 3 жыл бұрын

習うより慣れろ

@CarelessMiss 2 жыл бұрын

@@nomongosinthaworld その通り

@YYYOKOOO 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder how I can compliment people's Japanese without saying 上手 when they're really really good assuming they're watching Dogen san's videos lol

@Hijiri04 3 жыл бұрын

well you could add 凄く or 素晴らしい or sum

@YYYOKOOO 3 жыл бұрын

K, I will say 日本語うんんんんんんんま！！then

@mikachu7670 3 жыл бұрын

Just say how long have you been learning Japanese

@mai5185 3 жыл бұрын

え、ヨーコさんだ！

@alucardjp1 3 жыл бұрын

Don’t mention it , it’s just annoying. Beat praise you can get if people talk back to you like they talk to anyone else

@redapple0123tune 3 жыл бұрын

地方のなまりのある日本人でも、このくらいのアクセントの人はたくさんいるので、ほとんど気になりませんでした！「俺」の使い方はたしかに注意が必要ですが、しゅうさんは独り言の再現として「俺」を使い、その後のどうげんさんへのメッセージの主語は「僕」に戻っていたので、この場合は適切な使用であり、むしろその切り替えが上手だと思いました。文脈に応じて意識してアクセントを使い分けている日本語学習者の皆さんを尊敬します！

@TadAkimoto 3 жыл бұрын

First of all, Shū-san's Japanese sounds amazing. I would have thought he must have been Japanese, if I had heard his first few lines without knowing he was a non native speaker. What makes him sound a bit off is some of his word choice as Dogen pointed it out in the video. He started with polite Japanese, but he said "おれの日本語も直して欲しいなって", which cleared up my tiny doubt that he might be a native speaker. In Japanese, how to mention yourself reflects on your personality, and as Dogen says, you have to keep the consistency. 私の日本語 or ぼくの日本語 would be better and sound more polite. However, I repeat it again, his Japanese is so good. Japanese native speakers hardly end sentences by saying です・ます. He perfectly copies that nature, which makes him sound natural.

@GXrevolution96 3 жыл бұрын

I listen to a lot of Japanese and people seem to switch back and forth between polite form and casual form all the time. For example, a Japanese person may use the ます form for positive verbs while using ないです or just　ない for negative endings. There are also times where a speaker will use　ですが・けれども in one sentence and then だけど or simply けど in another

@TadAkimoto 3 жыл бұрын

I can't say anything deep unless I see actual situations. However, when native Japanese speakers do the switch, they have convincing reasons, situations or backgrounds even if it is unconscious. In the situation here, Shū-san has respect to Dogen-san. This is his first time talking to Dogen-san, (probably). He started his talk with polite form. That doesn't match "おれの". Staying consistent is safer. My first post was not for nitpicking. His pronunciation is so good that I can't imagine how hard he has worked on it.

@coconutpineapple2489 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not him. But ごらんになりましたか？is not strange at all. But if you are close to your boss, it might be too polite.

@princessthyemis 3 жыл бұрын

they don't useです?? Then what DO they use? I was taught to use that to end sentences??

@foka.3kai 3 жыл бұрын

@@princessthyemis just leave it out like in "これは私のパソコン" where u would be taught to put です at the end.

@user-ft2hm7uj5n 3 жыл бұрын

3年でここまで上手くなるのか……凄すぎる😱

@KoreKaraPodcast 3 жыл бұрын

Can you grade the hardest pronunciation in Japanese next episode ... Katakana English

@shellybananas 3 жыл бұрын

Yes! I'd really like to see this. Most of my friends switch to the English pronunciation when reading Katakana (myself included at times!) and it feels so weird!

@elliotw.888 3 жыл бұрын

@@shellybananas sometimes I look at the katakana, read it out, and spend a minute figuring out what it's supposed to be in English

@slayermusiq1 3 жыл бұрын

ナイスアイデア❗

@FunkyBukkyo 3 жыл бұрын

グレート

@elliotw.888 3 жыл бұрын

@@FunkyBukkyo what the hell is that supposed to mean? grit? greet?

@hiroui9450 3 жыл бұрын

I'm starting to think these people coming to get critiqued are actually just flexing.

@123jeffries123 3 жыл бұрын

Definitely and im sure the time that they have been studying Japanese isn’t right all the time as well .

@kennethirgendwas4616 3 жыл бұрын

You kind of need some confidence to send in a video eh? I feel a lot of people that could really improve from this dont want to be put on display because they think they would embarrass themselves. But look at how long the videos are dogen does on almost proficient people. Imagine the length if he'd have to go through 2 mistakes per sentence

@dain644 3 жыл бұрын

@k k lmao. if you're proficient in under 5 years you're definitely lying and not just actually learning the language properly

@dain644 3 жыл бұрын

@k k no offense, but you're really bad at picking up sarcasm. My comment = if you're learning the language in a reasonable amount of time (under 5 years) you are actually learning correctly (and probably not LARPing textbooks)

@dain644 3 жыл бұрын

Also, my method - MIA, doesn't suck. You should check it out. 😉

@Konichiwamydude 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a Japanese teacher. His pronunciation is good and very casual. ``おれ``は使う場面気をつけてくださいね〜

@mina-gd1xi 3 жыл бұрын

ええ？！日本語ネイティブじゃないの？っていうくらいうまいですね。びっくり！私も言語学習がんばります。励みになりました。

@purple_sky 2 жыл бұрын

More common exceptions to the rule: 両親 (りょうしん) - 頭高 (1) 人生 (じんせい) - 頭高 (1) 半分 (はんぶん) - 中高 (3) 靴下 (くつした) - 中高 (2) 海外 (かいがい) - 頭高 (1)

@LimeGreenTeknii Жыл бұрын

商人 (しょうにん) - 頭高 (1)

@user-ku8oy2qs2d 3 жыл бұрын

正直日本に何年も住んでる外国出身の方より全然上手ちょっと日本語忘れかけてる日本人みたいな感じ。His Japanese is excellent!!

@trice1857 3 жыл бұрын

わかる 3年でこれはやばいわw

@ch-yw8ut 3 жыл бұрын

子供の頃から日本語聞いてるからだな

@princessthyemis 3 жыл бұрын

He's been studying for only 3 years?? He's so good! I need to speak more :(

@pahoopahoo 3 жыл бұрын

子供の頃少年ジャンプの新刊号が出る日を楽しみにしていた気持ちでこのチャンネルを見ている

@isprithul 3 жыл бұрын

I can't thank you enough Dogen San, this series is so helpful and fun to watch

@Sergeantpaprika 3 жыл бұрын

Sensei, you’re so humble. Thank you for sharing this!

@LadyHermes 3 жыл бұрын

I think it's one of the best advice I ever heard through my learning. I like the way you teach and how passionate you are to share your knowledge. I'll gladly subscribe to your channel, thanks for your work.

@tme11 3 жыл бұрын

日本語うますぎてびっくり、友達と話してる感じがする！

@kishpawar 3 жыл бұрын

Hellotalk is actually absolutely the best thing for beginners. I've learned most of my vocabulary and also pronunciations from it.

@ahonagaikotsu5167 3 жыл бұрын

最初の人日本語上手すぎやろ、すげえな。

@svisvisvisvisvi 3 жыл бұрын

Dōgen, I love the colouring (or is it colouration? Colourisation?) of this series! The quality of the production, and of course the content, makes me very happy. I don't know Japanese, but if I do end up studying it I'll already know so much about pitch accent 😄

@lunaluna62 3 жыл бұрын

あとはしゅうさん、nihongoの発音もDogenさんが初めに例に出している学校、銀行などと同じピッチ？だと更に上手に感じます！日本人としてはこんなに細かい規則があるなんて知らずに話していたので外国人の方が日本語を学ぶのって本当に難しいんだなと思います。皆さん頑張って下さい！そしてこう言う動画の英語版も見てみたいなーなんて。ここは日本語を学ぶ方のチャンネルだからか難しいですね💦

@tokyokacie 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve used HelloTalk before and I think i’ll use them again. Very helpful advice on there. Also, thanks for the education, Dogen!

@joaovictorcarvalho6339 3 жыл бұрын

ur videos are so aesthetically pleasing

@Akuryoutaisan21 3 жыл бұрын

This is so helpful thanks Dogen.

@aquaskysm3972 3 жыл бұрын

So much value in this video. Thank you for sharing!

@fresusjeak 3 жыл бұрын

Even better lighting; congratulations on the continuous improvement!

@etherdog 3 жыл бұрын

I am so glad to have this level of insight whilst beginning my solo study of Japanese. It is helping me avoid bad habits from occurring.

@user-on6xv3dw9v 7 ай бұрын

hows it going?

@aquajoyah5450 3 жыл бұрын

Wonderful Japanese, goes to show how helpful it is to immerse yourself in native speakers' speech! Also thanks for the free tip, Dōgen-sensei! I can't believe how many words, so many of which are important and common, fall under that rule. SO helpful.

@user-mo2hc2nn8o 2 жыл бұрын

this was extremely useful, thanks!!!!!

@slpery86 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dogen, i only discovered your channel a few weeks ago, you have really enjoyable content! Regarding pitch accents, I've lived in Japan for 3 and a half years and had no idea that was a thing! From the words you used as examples, luckily it feels like I somewhat picked up the correct pitch accents unintentionally. It really great to know that's a thing so i can be conscious of it, thank you for your service! :)

@doitnow666 3 жыл бұрын

Who else doesn’t or barely know japanese but is very interested in these videos? Always been a fan of japanese culture, language and history. Currently reading The Taiheiki: A Chronicle of Medieval Japan and I love it. Keep up the videos!

@benny496 3 жыл бұрын

this is next level advice thanks man.

@eddylyle8329 3 жыл бұрын

I don't even study Japanese lol but your videos are hecka entertaining and you inspire me to do a deep dive on Spanish phonetics, it being my second language. Keep it up, from a fan back in Seattle

@abirhasankhan9327 3 жыл бұрын

This video had the most relevant and probably the most useful sponsors segment in the history of KZfaq. Couldn't skip even 1 second of the video.

@christinam935 3 жыл бұрын

Wow! The first video I found where you speak English! 😁 great video!

@alexdemoya2119 3 жыл бұрын

Dogen, you should call this "The Sempai Notices Me Series"

@lupin8516 3 жыл бұрын

自動字幕をつけて英語の勉強に使わせていただいております。

@mochipengin 3 жыл бұрын

omg lang-8, brings back so much memories!!! got me through a lot of my university days lol

@korvusliedke8913 3 жыл бұрын

Dogen, you’ve got the best language channel on KZfaq, by far!

@eron-kun7883 3 жыл бұрын

VERY HELPFUL!

@rrr.8 2 жыл бұрын

As a Japanese speaker, the most distinctive part from native speaker in his perfect Japanese is the very first thing that dogen sensei says, mixed polite way and casual way. Sasuga sensei...!

@orangeoldfish2304 3 жыл бұрын

Nobody can escape the とても上手です, not even in a learning app.

@salihcandemir9364 3 жыл бұрын

That's a favorable cultural trait indeed, and yet I suffered from that a lot during these seven years of learning Japanese, since many Japanese speakers would never correct my pitch-accent, grammar or word choice, unless I make a very very obvious mistake. I always said 予備学校 for an English language prep school and then just recently I learned that the correct way to say this should be 予備校, and even if I say 予備校, people won't really understand what I actually mean, because in Japan there are almost no public universities teaching in English. So, I need to go like 大学入ってから一年英語の勉強をする予備校があるんだけど、、

@Norio1213 2 жыл бұрын

DOGENさん、するどいです。出だしが「申します」でしたね。「謙譲語を使いこなすんだ。すごい」と引き込まれたところに、「おれ」とかの表現で「おやおや」と、不思議な感じがして注意がそちらに移りましたね

@AaronSmith-wz7hg 3 жыл бұрын

めちゃめちゃ上手いです。

@user-yq1mz7fs9k 3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t believe it’s really you, if I see you on HelloTalk😏 Like the one saying “本物？lol” at 10:40

@high84merry3 2 жыл бұрын

丁寧に話すときは男性でも「私」がいいと思います。『俺の日本語』というのはカジュアルすぎます。

@jellosapiens7261 3 жыл бұрын

It's so hard for me to imagine saying a word with no accent having grown up with a language with as strong a stress-accent as English

@user-ws3lk1pz2w 3 жыл бұрын

When I learned English at school, it was so hard for me to remember many words with accent. So we’re faced with the same difficulty.

@joshttale 3 жыл бұрын

what helped me personally was thinking of the pitch accent of each word as musical pitch patterns. For example, to me 最高 is just さ at one pitch, followed by a rise and plateau at the い, and 案内 is the same but I drop pitch for the last mora.

@coconutpineapple2489 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't even cared English pitch accent and intonation. My English definitely sounds like a non native speaker. I don't care. They understand me. But when it comes to French, I started French conversation CD from repeating. So I don't need to struggle French pitch accent and intonation. it's hard to get correct pitch accent by studying each words. I assume just repeating each phrase is the key. But I haven't done this for pitch accent. I just wanted to memorize French phrases. I'm not interested in pitch accent. What I need to study is listening English. It's hard and more important.

@coconutpineapple2489 3 жыл бұрын

Shashou I'm very beginner of French. Maybe I meant intonation. Thank you for your information.

@jacquin8511 2 жыл бұрын

It's not that there's no stress, but that stress (= foregrounding) is achieved differently in different languages. There are certain acoustic variables available to speakers: mainly duration, frequency (pitch), pitch movement (intonation), and intensity (loudness). In English, duration and intensity foreground syllables. A language like Japanese that employs duration for phonemic purposes (i.e. has vowel length distinctions e.g.　気韻 [=きいん, dignity] vs. 金 [=きん, gold]) will use different phonetic variables to realise stress, such as pitch movement. Hence Dogen's emphasis on pitch accent - it's as critical to correct pronunciation in Japanese as using correct duration/intensity "stress" in English.

@9chPa 3 жыл бұрын

逆に日本語上手いですねと言われないレベル

@jessswann5879 10 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@jnnschnll9008 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this explanation! I use anki and colour code for pitch accent and already started noticing this pattern but you basically gave it a name! (I got really irritated when I first learnt the pattern for 先生 and started doubting my theory.)

@eleonorav.d.d.8864 3 жыл бұрын

Me hearing this, wait どうげん is also four 🤔 Dogen can be added to the list

@ichigobatakekakashi 3 жыл бұрын

しゅうさんの日本語はほぼ完ぺきですね！　ところで私は男性が自分のことを「俺」というのが非常に気になります。丁寧な言葉使いをするときは「僕」か「私（わたし／わたくし」とすべきです。最近日本人でもふさわしくない状況で「俺」を使う人が多いので、外国の人が間違えるのは無理もありませんが、目上の人や良く知らない人の前では気を付けた方がいいと思います。

@justinsilver280 3 жыл бұрын

賛成です！I'm going to expand on this comment because I really think it's important for other Japanese learners to know. The pronoun "Ore" is extremely casual and generally should not be used with anyone besides your close friends. If you use it among people with whom you are NOT close, you will likely appear as foolish, rude, or perhaps uneducated. You should simply use Watashi. Boku can also be used. But on a positive note, cheers to Shu-san. His spoken Japanese is crystal clear and easy to understand.

@user-pr7ue6ek4o 3 жыл бұрын

I recommend not to use the 俺 except amongst close friends. And It’s impossible to use 俺 when you speak something with です、ます。 ✖️俺はアメリカ人です。 ○（私は）アメリカ人です。（　）なのは、主語が必要としない時があるから。

@yoshihiromashimo6655 3 жыл бұрын

our minister of finance can be foolish rude and uneducated he describe himself as 俺　in our parliament. I think it sounds like just bossy

@coconutpineapple2489 3 жыл бұрын

You can't say ore at work or to people who you don't know. But watashi sounds like old man or politician or president at your company. Woman call myself watashi. Very polite man might say watashi. Some Japanese KZfaqrs say that. But they never say to their friends.

@bertman4 3 жыл бұрын

I think you hear too much "ore" 俺 if you're watching anime only. Watch some drama (not tokusatsu) and you will hear it less often. Pay attention when people are speaking to family or close friends, versus when they are speaking in a social or public setting. アニメだけ見てると「俺」が普通に聞こえてきますが実際は違います。ドラマとかも見た方が良いと思います。そういう中で普通の会話と家族や友人との会話を比較してみると勉強になると思います。

@akikom.491 3 жыл бұрын

最初「俺は」って言って、次に「僕は」も使っていたけれど。「俺は」は友達同士でもスゴイ仲良くてカジュアルに使うから。初対面の人や目上の人と話す時は、男性も「私は」が良いと思うよ🧖😉

@Comp678 3 жыл бұрын

These videos are really useful Dogen! Thanks a bunch!

@asuranrocks 3 жыл бұрын

his japanese is fantastic!! i've not heard anyone achieve this in 3 years

@mythun6735 3 жыл бұрын

I really wish he did more of these videos.

@shami5enwow 3 жыл бұрын

Love watching these videos as always, very informative! I was curious about words with three kanji with 4 (or 5) mora like 映画館 or 図書館 do they have any patterns?

@DJDCann 3 жыл бұрын

0:30 He ends the sentence with この動画を録音しています。録音 means recording but mainly for audio. Technically he is recording his voice, but he's referring the video that is being recorded so 録画 should probably be used instead. If you know the kanji, this shouldn't be too hard to remember.

@user-jo2sd3nt4t 3 жыл бұрын

日本語のアクセントは外国の方からすると難しいかも知れませんね。　日本人同士でも出身地や世代によって違う場合もありますし、「音楽」と「音楽室」といったように複合語になるとアクセントが変わる場合もありますし…

@blu837 3 жыл бұрын

普通に発音とかうますぎて日本人だと思っちゃう

@vitasiregar1602 3 жыл бұрын

Love this

@JAPANquickies 3 жыл бұрын

You're the man Dogen!

@calvinlau6938 3 жыл бұрын

When I listened to Shu speaking Japanese, and then he said "Japanese Teacher Grades Your Japanese", I was like "wait, he is an English native speaker? Then he must be native in both languages!". Could not imagine he has studied Japanese for only three years. Bravo! Really impressed! It's a very educational video. Thanks Dogen and Shu!

@dmanden1242 2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad I stumbled on this video as a beginner.

@KuroShiiiro 2 жыл бұрын

wow, this makes so much sense. ive always pronounced it right but i never caught the pattern!

@kyounokaze 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing

@user-ex1pi5cx5e 3 жыл бұрын

“おんがく”とかの鼻濁音できないんだよなぁ私。。。中学校の頃の音楽の先生が秋田出身で、鼻濁音に関して知ってる人だったから、助詞のがも合唱では鼻濁音で歌いましょうって教えられた。未だにできないからDogenさんのおんがくの発音すげーってなる😭

@1337hacks 3 жыл бұрын

That Hellotalk guy be stealing all of Dogen's patreons now

@virvalka6219 2 жыл бұрын

mindblown!

@janismittelstaedt5642 3 жыл бұрын

A few more common exceptions to the 4 mora rule, which are all atamadaka: 今晩 - こんばん - tonight 毎晩 - まいばん - every night 毎日 - まいにち - every day 音楽 - おんがく - music 兄弟 - きょうだい - siblings 結構 - けっこう - 'I'm fine./It's alrigth'

@marcpanther7924 3 жыл бұрын

www.weblio.jp/content/%E6%AF%8E%E6%97%A5 Adverbial usage of 毎日 can be Heiban. Do you know of any example sentences?

@malkavian6275 3 жыл бұрын

Love you dogen

@georgeocurioso5546 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you to show us this amazing world of the japonese, my english is not very good, because i'm from Brasil. Thanks for your job

@SayuriSaying 3 жыл бұрын

8:14 *挨拶（あいさつ) as in a greeting :)

@-Bagel- 3 жыл бұрын

I want a video of Dogen just staring into the camera and complimenting all of our Japanese. I was starting to feel proud for Shū after hearing his praise. lol

@swame 7 ай бұрын

Thanks, that was really useful. You were so cool even back then, Dogen. I wish you did more free stuff like this, because channel is all about memes today. I like the background, too. You are genius of proper light position and vibes on your camera frame. English is actually not my native language, if you or even just someone interested - then you could know that im russian 🇷🇺 guy, in order to notice some pattern that shows itself up. Although there is no Japanese at my comment, haha. I barely speak it yet, despite liking how i can mimic some sounds. Hope, i will get back to my comment at future.

@DarkDrakman 3 жыл бұрын

Drink a shot every time Dogen says "wonderful start" or "fantastic place"

@0Enigmatic0 3 жыл бұрын

This is a wonderful start! Your pitch accent though...

@DengueBurger 3 жыл бұрын

"you're gunna be in amazing shape" - dōgen in previous videos

@Sadoriel 3 жыл бұрын

and now Dogen is going to have a lot of followers also on Hello Talk (me included)

@jhawk1229 3 жыл бұрын

A question about the 4-mora words almost always being heiban. You said it applies to 2-kanji, 4-mora words, but what about single-kanji, 4-mora words? Words like 侍（さむらい）and 紫（むらさき）come to mind. Are these words also heiban? If so, is it also because of the 4-mora rule or just coincidental?

@kevinbelho115 3 жыл бұрын

I can't tell how old Dogen's videos actually are.. they look old but is new.. some look new but is old..

@user-mq2xn2te3g 3 жыл бұрын

外国人の言う「日本語」、だいたい「に→ほ↑ん↓ご」みたいに「ん」で下がりがちですね。自然には「ほ」で上がった後そのままの高さです。

@cyanicbanana 3 жыл бұрын

Another mistake I think I found was when he pronounces 小さいころから「ずっと↓」 , but his pronunciation and the way he expresses his thoughts is really good!

@yabbamita 3 жыл бұрын

I will forever remain loyal to lang8.. haha aight I'll try hellotalk because dogen sensei recommends it

@lloydmeadors 3 жыл бұрын

@pahoopahoo 3 жыл бұрын

しゅーさんの日本語についてですが、確かに厳しい目で見ればまだいろいろと不自然な点があるのですが、発声や発音、またおそらく聞き取りに関しても基礎がしっかりしていることが明らかなので、あとは意識して微修正を積み重ねていけばよいという段階かと思います。ただアメリカに住みながらこの(特に話すことにおいて)｢微修正を積み重ねる｣というのは結構大変なことだとは思うのですが、しゅーさんは動画の中で日本人の友達がいると言っていたので、私からの1つの提案としてはその友達に｢本当に小さなことでもいいから自分の言った日本語がほんの少しでも(用法でも発音でも)ネイティブの日本人の日本語と違っていたらすぐに指摘してくれ｣と頼んでみるのがいいと思います。しゅーさんとその友達にそれなりの信頼関係があるのならいろいろと指摘してくれるはずなので、それをメモって修正を重ねていけばまだまだ上達できるかと思います。

@yoshihiromashimo6655 3 жыл бұрын

don't hesitate to use english if you want to explain something

@jarrodclyne707 3 жыл бұрын

I studied Japanese for 10 years and no-one ever explained this to me, thank you!

@jvu2ilj26 3 жыл бұрын

This is something I can't really seem to understand... Very often I hear Japanese people mix casual and formal Japanese in conversation! Just yesterday I was watching two guys go to a 心霊スポット and one of them was using です、ます to talk to the other guy most of the time, but sometime he would say things like そうなんだ or そうだね, or even ask the other guy questions in casual Japanese. I realize the guy in this video should not have done it, it's a completely different context, but while consistency is important - I guess sometimes it's ok to mix them? Does it depend on the relationship between the two people or something?

@user-ch5zy6vt2f 3 жыл бұрын

It's not a problem mixing. I mix it too sometimes. When I'm not 100% confortable to regular Japanese, but at the same time I don't need to use formal... I mix too. But yes , that's a lot about the relationship.

@yoshihiromashimo6655 3 жыл бұрын

interesting i guess two guys mixed formal way丁寧語 with respect way 敬語 i mean they act in formal way because of TV show which so many unfamiliar people watch but in thier workplace years of work on TV is most important. you must talk in respect way to the person who started to work at TV show even for１ month earlier probably they don't usually talk each other in respect way because of thier relations in the show you watched they try to talk in formal way丁寧語 because of TV show but sometimes they do usual conversation　without keeping mind of camera

@jvu2ilj26 3 жыл бұрын

@@yoshihiromashimo6655 That's a very good point. I also thought maybe they use 丁寧語 because of the video, but normally they talk to each other casually. Still, I feel like it's ok to mix these two sometimes. Even if you're talking to someone formally, but if the talk becomes really exciting for a moment or you want to make a joke or something, I think it's ok to use casual Japanese... I could be wrong though.

@jordanrodrigues8265 3 жыл бұрын

The way I've heard it described academically is that desu form is used for the part of the conversation that's related to the social roles that motivated the conversation, but if an utterance strays off topic and is a personal touch then that's when you're most likely to hear intimate forms mix in. I hesitate to give specific examples - I'm nowhere near good enough - but let's say there's a bicycle mechanic who has become friends with a customer. He'll continue to use desu-forms when talking about that customers business, even if many other topics are in plain form.

@coconutpineapple2489 3 жыл бұрын

We mix it. But we don't mix at work. Ore is too casual in this case. Moushimasu is too polite in this case. We know he isn't Japanese. So we don't care that. We don't feel it's rude. But boku wa ～ to i･i･ma･su is natural.

@dougthemoleman 3 жыл бұрын

中国 might be another exception? Though I don't know if country names fall under this rule at all to begin with. Thank you for pointing this stuff out!

@lordcanti 3 жыл бұрын

A wild dogen appears in my feed!

@user-ni1yk3fv5y Жыл бұрын

On a totally unrelated matter, If something were to happen to that blue shirt I would lose it. Dogen without the iconic blue shirt?! How is that even gonna work? (Also, you’re an amazing teacher. Wish you the best.)

@yosidaeasie8045 3 жыл бұрын

文脈とかで発音変わるの普段は自然にやってるけど論理的に考えながら喋ると頭おかしくなりそうや。

@kliudrsfhlih 3 жыл бұрын

Having studied corpus linguistics I'd say it's quite accurate to say hundreds more 6:22

@hirosan7819 3 жыл бұрын

Dogen san, your English is really good. How did you get so good?

@hirosan7819 3 жыл бұрын

It’s my first time seeing you speaking English. Man, you’re killing it.

@vali69 2 жыл бұрын

@@hirosan7819 he was born in the US

@mryoshi1221 3 жыл бұрын

i only learned recently that japanese has tones. for the past 10 years ive been "studying" ive probably been sounding like a true fool, lol

@rmblroff 3 жыл бұрын

シュウさん、日本語お上手ですね！たった３年でここまでできるなんて凄いです「にほんご(日本語)」を中高型で発音されていることだけが気になりました。「日本語」は中高型(遮断機、ジョバンニ、御三家、破廉恥、ミサンガ、モモンガ、アレンジ、阿寒湖、お天気、etc)の仲間ではなく、平板型(おしんこ、五反田、お転婆、クリンチ、道産子、かばん語、etc)の仲間です！