Good video but you didn't understand what they meant 😂 no one said SM idols can't sing but it's true they lipsync ( that's what they clearly meant when they said autotune) anyways Sm idols are the best vocally speaking because it's SM's strong suit, SM's sub vocalists and even rappers can be the lead in other groups 😂

But that person also said that anyone can hit high notes standing in the studio that's why he shared clips of them performing live

@@zizojaezekeom3565 Yeah, they might sometimes, like everyone does, but the comment was saying that all of their performances are just lip sync, which is nowhere near true. SM artists are more likely to sing live than anyone else. They also say they use autotune to hit the high notes, but the video is showing examples of SM idols hitting their notes just fine outside the studio.

Pretty much!

SM artist have been lipsyncing quite recently

​@@blink.zerosethey LS only in music shows cuz generation got changed and it's not worth it anymore. New groups give concert at their first year they go and perform at overseas festivals so why would you tear your vocal cords up? Also so many groups are doing it why people only talk about SM.

Aespa?

@@blink.zeroseits not just sm artist other artists have been doing that as well. except exo though

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His high note when he was reverse parking is worthy of an award compared to vocals nowadays

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The way that some times before non-fans had accused him of using auto-tune because his live voice is just too good 😂

I was going to write something about him too! That man is incredibly gifted.

Yes you found the gem, its sad that he's underrated among fans

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I mean, this is great but the videos are old. It's been a whileee since I heard an SM artists sing like that. Now they are lip syncing all the time. SM is slowly ruining their reputation. NCT, Red Velvet, Aespa and other artists.. let them sing or are you afraid of something, SM?

@@nikienhypen6334 sm doesn’t have to prove anything aespa has been singing abit more live recently like Coachella sm artist have proven time and time again that even without auto tune and Luo syncing tgey can still sing

@@retricallltann6243 it's sad that Coachella is the only example 😭 (even tho the back track was loud). They should let them sing for Jesus Christ. They are singers

@@nikienhypen6334 RED VELVET?????? are you serious??? red velvet has sung numerous times live, the same with aespa : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a85haJypvLK3imQ.html (Wendy 2022 live) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iLJpiJelrN-rmoU.html (red velvet a cappella) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p9CYmJOX0c3HmYE.html (Wendy again 2022) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ht9ne9uBssq5dY0.html (Red Velvet Encore 2021) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ecyDfbB5mZqwYok.html (only Karina) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kLqqfJaGvb2le2w.html (NingNing) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ep2gfLiVupe-gn0.html (Winter) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bauJnpWYsrfTp3k.html (Red velvet live 2022) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eN6Kidt3rLq1fok.html (this masterpiece) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nKuEYMx3v57YlKc.html (Joy the SUB vocalist of red velvet) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hs1noaV5vbenc3U.html (the iconic psycho live) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z9GjZNxhzda1l3U.html (nct acapella) It should be a crime to underestimate the vocal power of red velvet

@@nikienhypen6334 coachella is not only example but go off.. and backtrack was not their in fanncam recorded by fans

Just like that one stage they sent Chanyeol instead of a main vocalist 😂

Yes, SM vocalists are the best trained, however, that doesn't negate the fact that Aespa virtually always lip syncs. Aespa are talented singers, and also SM doesn't let them sing live. These two things can be true at once. OP's clip would only be a "gotcha" if it showed Aespa performing live, all they did was play clips that are 5-10 years old, back when SM allowed them to do more live singing.

First clip made hair on my arms stand up. Absolutely breathtaking.

send Eunhyuk, then just stand back and watch

​@@rachelmaddowswife8713 this is why only true vocalists were used in this clip. Haha

but they're not dancing...they're still amazing

Not adding Mf Moon taeil is this list should be a criminal offense

@@nnnnn_91 in which part cuz I don't know him well

@@Autumn_Leaves1217 you don’t need to to know him well. Because If you know nct because, any person would say realistically he is a better vocalist than all three neos you mentioned

@@nnnnn_91 I don't know NCT tho and when did I mentioned any vocalist here, it's all rappers and dancers

You're the best 👏

Wow, perfectly said 😊

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Well, yeah but from what I’ve seen at least it’s more of a running joke (/lh) when people from sm lipsync, esp aespa. I personally haven’t encountered many people that say sm is bad bc they lipsync, they more so have thoughts about the very large amount of high notes etc in sm music which you ofc can argue showcases the musical skills of the group but yeah. The people who say sm vocalists aren’t talented are the same kinda people who bring every other company down though about the things they’re greatest at (for example hybe / jyp dance) so I wouldn’t advise you to keep taking note of that.

​@@Miipmiip Okay, but this ain't about other artists from other companies getting hated on though? The kpop community doesn't hate on other companies and their artists as much as they do SM artists. People who stan a lot of groups from SM knows this well because we constantly have to deal with other fandoms hating on our faves from SM or getting in our business.

right

@@Enhygene347 what's hate in it lol people who says this thing rarely Stan idols who actually are vocally as Talented as SM artists.. that's why they try to downplay their vocal abilities by saying lipsync, autotune, studio vocals

@@Enhygene347 I know there are many good Vocalist outside SM I never denied it. but this type of accusations rarely thrown by fan of artist who are actually vocally Talented

Well spoken 👍

Period like sm trains vocalists not only visuals

Same shit 2gen fans said about 3rd gen .. lol

@@BhaktManomandirVihariniUma ikr

3rd gen idols we’re not singing live as often as 2nd gen…

@@nmpoy If you reread my comment, you'll see I said "past generations", referring to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen. I only said I miss 3rd gen at the end because that's the generation I joined the kpop fandom.

@@BhaktManomandirVihariniUma Oh is that so? And just to clarify I'm a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gen fan. I know 2nd gen sang live more than 3rd gen, which is why I said "past generations" and didn't specify.

I miss him

You had to remind that T^T now I wanma cry-

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Even a pre recorded vocals can win more than their faves who sang almost it burst their lungs . No hate but they are out of line already.

They only used lipsync in the music show ....... But like a concert or other events they sing live

You are right. Haters always attacked aespa.

Fr but I don’t like that SM doesn’t let them sing live and It’s not aespa’s fault

@@straykiss_woo but in haters eyes it is aespa's fault. LIKE DO THEY HAVE BRAIN??? OR WHAT

Same here. I love SM artist too.

I agree

You are objective dude! Salute

I agree, it's a universal problem. In any industry, I nearly always see some people insulting someone else whilst 'supporting' their favourite.

@@hihihihi1339 No one can ever forget her

Lmao, everytime a tweet like this drops, Shawols are here to shut them up with HUNDRED of fancams of the 5 members belting. It is always a fun re-tweeting party xD

​@@aureljuju3485well, they clearly are not talking about shinee but other groups

@@nikienhypen6334 right lmao, I thought it was obvious but apparently other ppl didn’t

@@nikienhypen6334 they literally we're generalising entirety of SM artist ..

Shinee and Exo's vocals are enough to prove that girl totally wrong lmao.🤣

Sm artist don’t need auto tune auto tune needs them

Because there is no need to do so ❤️

@@divorahaile4673 Exactly, natural talent plus great vocal training is what it takes.

I agree!! 💯

SM artists don’t sing live nowadays. SM is doing something weird with them.

There are plenty of live vocals. Y aespa and NCT Specially at events where their fans has spent money to see them live

@@BhaktManomandirVihariniUma im also aware of that, that's why i specified music shows because that is the frequent stages/performance that the public see not the paid ones

@@GreenFlagTiddies you talked about fans being disappointed that's why I appointed it out .. and each of these Groups are lip syncing now whose fans were hating aespa for lip syncing they more disappointed at aespa lipsyning . But not when Group they Stan lip sync

Fan needs to start treating their idol like human being for real. I grew up with second gen idol that sing live all the time but actually still enjoying the 3rd, and 4th gen performance. Personally lip sync in some program like music show is not a big deal, they can always sing live in other program like radio that not demanding some dance. Even after these idol sing live, they would get compared to other idols that better. It's just an ego really.

I mean I feel like it’s very much that sm groups nearly always lipsync, to the point they look bored on stage / don’t even try to lip sync properly (see: aespa)

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EXO CHEN BEAK D.O TOO(THE VOCAL KINGS OF KPOP)

@@rainbw_. of course...they are superjunior brothers from SM, superjunior who trained them from trinne to debut, especially Leeteuk, that was said by Suho himself at the DNE SHOW

Hyolyn Sistar

louder please such twice

Hyolyn SISTAR, Lily Nmixx, Rosè Blackpink

@@danielleisabella3500 rosé??? She’s one of weaker vocals in kpop, you may like her tone but she’s an average vocalist at best

@@danielleisabella3500 Rosé has unique vocals but definitely not the best. Cannot be compared.

Obv, their newer groups don't sing live. Notice how all the mentioned artists are from other generations not the new one.

Watch their encore. I attended their concert. I can hear layers clearly, they sang live. It’s just their recording and live vocals sound the same, unlike most idols, so….

you are saying some real facts here.👏🏽

For real

If SM truly prompt them then EXO will be dope remember GROWL song i am just into Even i am army but i love exo so much 😭

Very true.....🥰🥰🥰🥰

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They are not hating because they are jealous but because literally they don't sing live moooost of the time. Aespa, NCT, red Velvet and now other SM artsists

@@nikienhypen6334 I think it needs to be made obv tgat it isn’t sm that forces them to lyosync when sm artist new and old have time and time again proven they can sing live it’s tge production company like music shows etc that don’t let them sing live I think even sm artist want to flex their vocals

@@retricallltann6243 other artists sing live in music shows but SM are not allowed.... This doesn't make sense, sorry. SM is just scared of them singing because they don't want them to make any mistakes live at this point. This is sad.

@@nikienhypen6334 pls other artist also don’t sing live it’s a music show thing now not just sm there so many artist who are lip syncing on music shows nowadays with a few exceptions being literally like mamamoo etc

@@retricallltann6243 I never said the others didn't. They also do but at least they don't do it all the time like SM :/

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Exactly ... we know who they are 🤣🤣🤣

exactly, they’re always bringing up views, streams, sales like wth it has to do with talent?!?!

I mean, this is great but the videos are old. Look at the 4th gen It's been a whileee since I heard an SM artists sing like that. Now they are lip syncing all the time. SM is slowly ruining their reputation. NCT, Red Velvet, Aespa and other artists.. let them sing or are you afraid of something, SM?

Even when not based off skill sm Stil has so much better charting and awards like every sm grp has all won a award not to include aespa literally being monsters when they go to award shows plus a PAK on almost all their cmb says alot

Didn't Aespa form from a reality show?

@@cranburrey no. . .they have their own training system under SM Rookies. . .so trainees who wanted to debut as an idol will be part of it. . .however SM did let their trainees be part of any idol shows but under SM Esteem. . .it is for models, actors and the like (Im not really sure). . .

That sounds like the most amazing experience!! I'm so jealous!

I luv his voice 💕 k.r.y's vocals are just perfection

Finally. A fellow Cassiopeia

@@devashrijoshi9079 praying for db5k at their 20th anniversary

N still holding Onew 42 seconds note in his cover of Friends 😎

People forgot he's an idol too. His skill is beyond an idol so it's easy to forget it

nah , often when it came to best vocalist male idol , ussually at rank 1 is Junsu . He is originaly from SM and he trained for solo singer , but then he debuted as a group . and yeah if you get to see list of best vocalist , there will dominated by SM main vocal .

@@shenzy4995 that's because he's in tvxq and they do songs that sound fancy while kyuhyun is in suju and they do songs that are fun. So people generally aren't able to hear kyuhyun's true singing skills except when he was in musical. Truth is objectively kyuhyun has the best singing technique among idols as proven with how kpop vocal analysis ranked him as number 1. Junsu however wasn't in the good or good to great category. He was below that. Another thing is kyuhyun also wanted to be a ballad singer and trained outside of sm for that after realizing his dream in high school but after he got into sm and trained for 2 months, they put him in suju because they needed more main vocalists. So in conclusion people usually pick junsu as number 1 because of the image he has in tvxq while people underestimate kyuhyun's skills because he's in suju and they haven't seen his full power at singing. Kyuhyun also prefers soft ballad so that makes people underestimate him more when in fact he has the widest range and best technique among idols.

@@kyunkyun2160 Junsu in TVXQ just until 2010 . and he got banned here an there after that (if you still argue with TVXQ thing ). but different with SUJU with known world wide after 2010 . and it's not like Kyuhyun just singing only Suju songs . and i won't underestimate Kyuhyun vocals, just because i see an opinion about Junsu as rank 1 .

@@shenzy4995 yeah I know. I mean with most people's memory, when they remember tvxq they remembered their amazing songs and junsu will always be remembered as the vocalist of that group with the crazy difficult songs so people tend to think he must be the best among idols. He was also one of the early idol turned musical actors so that plus people's memory of the tvxq songs he sang back then they tend to believe he's the best. Kyuhyun doesn't only sing sujus songs but to kpop stans they only ever see him sing those fun dance songs with suju. Not to mention gp was used to seeing suju as the funny group so their main vocalists' vocal skills got overshadowed by that so more people underestimate them (kyuhyun basically said the main vocalists didn't get the chance to show their skills everytime he got a chance to sing solo like in KOMS). Yes he sings other songs especially since he's also a ballad singer now but since his singing style makes everything looks effortless (no exaggerated expressions and strains) people like to think his songs are easy to sing and he's below those vocalists who sing in a band or fancy songs when his skills are above them. Meanwhile kyuhyun's full or at least 70% true power of his singing skills are mostly performed in musicals which are gatekept so tightly it's hard for other people to know exactly the extent of his expertise in singing. Yes he has also sung covers of amazing songs and musical numbers in public but his agency sucks at promoting him and kpop stans will always underestimate him or won't accept that he's the best because he's from suju.

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Including in nct 127 favorite and Seulgi 28 reasons Exo mama Red velvet feel my rhythm etc so on

Even sm trainees can

Right.

she said sm artists only 4th gen sm artist is aespa she could just say aespa instead.

@@taemmate its still every sm group because even older groups dont sing live anymore. but i would love to hear them sing live

exo aren't even 2nd gen tho. nct and aespa do sing live, just not as often for aespa

@@taemmate No hate to Aespa or any artists. But the video just show only 2nd gen singing. I’ve been to their concerts I know what I’m saying.

@@notmyname3556 Exo is in their own era, 2.5th gen. I’ve been to their concerts and I can say that SJ and EXO have one of the best vocals in the industry.

exactly

and aespa has performed live many times Which is better than many other fourth gen live performances and better than idols who that tweeter Stan lol and aespa also have already won awards so

Aespa sang live multiple times but Y’all never bother to search or get updated instead of believing the narrative of “ AESPA NEVER SANG LIVE “ which is not true and tbh when Aespa sings live they deliver stable strong vocals and they’re one of the best 4gen vocals

U be talking like sm’s 4th gen groups ain’t winning any awards lololol just say you’re to lazy to search their live perfomances. And the exo videos was when they were rookies and that’s acceptable

They are attacking exo also

Nct always do their best on stage and its actually very frustrating that some nctzens don't understand this

we got the same braincell there. i am 100% agreed 👍

As an nctzen, I can tell ya'll that stanning nct was the best decision everr. I'm obsessed with the fact that they have over 7 powerful vocalists (them being Taeil, Yuta, Kun, Doyoung, Ten, Jaehyun, sometimes even Jungwoo, Xiaojun, Renjun, Haechan, Chenle and occasionally Jisung gets some lines lol). The rest of them are either dancer types or rapper types which they also excel in. The dancers are also extremely great: Taeyong, Yuta, Ten, Jaehyun, Winwin, Jeno, Haechan, Renjun, Jaemin, Shotaro and Jisung. Their rap line is also no joke: Taeyong, Johnny, Lucas, Mark, Hendery, Jeno, Jaemin, Yangyang, Sungchan. Them all being vocal, dance and rap Gods isn't any surprise, they're from sm in the first place 😏 But to have this many guys in one group is incredible and I hope they don't lose their popularity, because they're amazing!

​@@myheartwillgowonandon5467 Lucas rapping isn't even good but I agree with everything else on the comment

@@mindingmybusiness3915 well, he's seen as a rapper, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, for me I really like his voice, so yeah, but I respect yours too 😊

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Bruh.. there's more Kyungsoo, Baekhyun and Chen though

"-literally the best volcalist". Exaggerated claims like this are not hopeful to anyone at all. Not to K.R.Y, not to SM stans. - E.L.F since 2008.

@@0111mango they are not even close as long Kyuhyun and Ryeowook were KRY members bruh

@@TWICENayeonXSana4ever 😬

Kyuhyun and ryeowook Def are yesung meh. Tho Chen up there too. Overall sm has the most top tier singers out of anywhere.

Which is probably why most idols were trainees for years before debuting No offence but this is a rather weak argument like hey being a doctor is hard that's why most are bad at their job. No they went through years of school to become a doctor what do you mean it's hard, we know that that's why ppl go to med school I'm not really a fan of any sm artist so I wouldn't know about auto tune I'm sure they don't but the general known fact is they lip sync a lot and response to that usually is well they have great vocals WE KNOW THAT they just wanna preserve their strength or whatever As an outsider it seems like some can sing they're just too scared to actually do that

What would u say if u should watch a Shinee concert, that’s why they r trained

you right..

agree

It’s lipsync. They can obiously sing, but their newer groups are not even trying

@@kate1kate more like they are forced to lipsync yiu can tell at times they just want to sing live also it’s more of like an industry problem with music shows forcing idols to lip sync just to make tge performance perfect

Yeah lol their are lots of proofs out there about aespa singing live but they don't want to acknowledge it they are just too butthurt 😂😂

Gutl stop, hybe didn't get help from sm, yg literally built everything separate and introduced new important concept and things that weren't there before

​@Gourab Mukherjee No, they didn’t get help from SM. But their new idol groups train and cover SM artists' songs most of the time. Cope.

Idol training standard isn't something to be proud of tbh. They introduced a lot of things including some of the most toxic trends in the industry, Stan the idols not the companies

@@GigiM_winx SM is literally an idol himself. Did you see SM idols reacting to SM singing live? He was around since the black & white times. YG came in wayy later SM was already formed when YG himself was still singing in Seo Taeji & boys

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Exo are truly legends 💖