Actually a great point. I just paid 200 for b550 and was baffled to find out it was actually a good price.. The times of 70$ mid tier mainboard seem to be over sadly :(

Yeah, you get a $300 motherboard with $50 in LEDs and $650 in cables and packaging they spent $20 on.

I wonder whether the overclocking buttons are just increasing the price or whether they're are actually useful. I can't imagine an overclocker using the buttons.

@@jacobsvideochannel5998 usually the important part about overclocking motherboards is the hardware and build quality, it focuses on stuff like high quality power delivery and system stability

You must enjoy using commas, when leaving, comments, for us to read.

@@spankbuda5760 It is, indeed, a language habit, since english uses little to none commas, it can truly be hard for native speakers to read something that someone with other language base wrote.

makes sense. the cost of all the components that are on the board are expensive too + they are packaginng it all together too. It seems a bit over priced because it literally has no processing power on board, but it does enable to you to get the most out of the chips you put on it. Because CPU's and GPU's are so much more capable today the motherboard also has to keep up too so all the components are just more expensive.

@@VanSanProductions It's not just about component cost. Sure, that's obviously a factor but companies like MSI and ASUS are charging these prices because they can. It's really that simple.

@@JJFX- Oh, definitely. 2.5 years ago I spent €200 on a B550 motherboard (the same board is around €250 now), a similarly spec'd B650 one from the same brand and product line is €325. Even if you take into account inflation and chip shortages, the premium is still very much chosen by the manufacturers.

Thank I'm not alone in this sinking boat. I'm looking around for next build but at those prices i might get a laptop and upgrade more frequently... This is insane AMD b650 here are 300USD. It's basically a gaming tax.

I sunk $300 for z790 ddr5 and the price shot upto $400 in a week. MOBO prices are going nutz

True bro, they milking us at this point

Atleast ram and storage is cheap Copium

@@markojovanovic9651 Only if the memory is DDR4. DDR5 is still at least double in price what DDR4 is. A shame you can't run a computer on just RAM and storage. A budget build is now at least £1000 to £1500(CPU graphics vs GPU).

​@Davinia Robbins uhhh no. it's more like $600

Pcie 4.0 SSDs are getting cheaper.

You can fold it if you try hard enough. However it's no longer worth $1000 after you fold it!

The boxes are foldable.

The only foldable thing is now your bank account.

Watch part 2 of this video. He drops the MB, nothing new for him, and shows you the first foldable MB.

You can fold it once

Didn't evga stop making graphic cards because the 4000 series was too expensive?

@@EVOCAT jay has a evga 4090 they gave one to him since they did make a few.

What price to performance? Motherboard prices are worse than GPUs these days, relatively speaking.

@@ArcturusCOG no, it's EVGA next gen graphics. They don't have a license to make the 4090 ;)

GIGAbyte AoRUS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asus ROG >>>>>> EVGA...

*I'M BLIND! MY PRAYERS HAVE FINALLY BEEN ANSWERED!*

I had an 8150, then got the 8350... I still have it, but it isn't in use. I'm thinking of putting it on eBay.

@@ulysses2162 im still using a 8350 here

Since pci-e Gen 7 just launched this year I feel they might skip Gen 5 gpus and go to gen 6 since the next gen of cards is still 2+ years away with the current overstock of chips that amd and nvidia have because of their bloated orders tsmc won't allow them to cancel.

Actually, it would affect less if the GPU was PCIe 5.0. Even if the slot is capable of PCIe 5.0 x8 it will run at 4.0 x8 when you put a Gen 4 GPU in it.

Yeah that's why I'm sticking to AM4 version of this MB. Can't we have 3-5 M.2 SSDs without turning the primary x16 pcie slot into x8? Probably not possible with the available lanes but hopefully in the near future with 8000 or 9000 CPUs that would require a 1600w PSU or a small nuclear reactor.

Funnily enough you don't have to make this compromise with the cheaper boards. The Asus TUF Gaming X670E-plus (about £350) has 20 pcie 5.0 lanes and splits them between the first pcie x16 slot and a single m.2 slot (which is x4) with everything else running at pcie 4.0 or 3.0. The only compromise you have to make with that one is running the pcie 3.0 m.2 slot at x2 instead of x4 if you want to use the SATA ports.

@spankeyfish sadly for me, for my new build I'm transplanting my existing three drives which is one Gen3 M.2, and two SATA SSD's. I also need about at least 8 USB slots on the back of the motherboard.

@Don tbf I don't think they're gonna spend another 400 for the sake of "sample rate" after an experience like that

nobody should spend more than 100 dollars on a motherboard

200-300? Im no expert on mobos, but i am a gamer, a coder and an engineer, i do a lot with my machine....I've always had everything i need in the 80-150 range. Usually i spend 100-120. What does that 2x+ you spend give you? Genuinely curious.

@@NoName-to5xl bells and whistles + MORE RGB 🤑🤑🤑🤑

I have gone 3 of these exact Motherboards, I bought from Amazon. My issue was the usb ports at the back were loose and kept disconnecting my devices every time j moved or touched geb cable. Because I was so adamant in owning this board my 4th board was ok.

i have the intel one, z690 maximus extreme, and it is by far the worst value i've ever seen. Basically a $450 mobo with fancy screens all over it and a lot of useless accessories. it doesn't even have a DP port for fucks sake. and it has 1 less USB port than their mid range boards -___-

Fr, no reason to get an extremely expensive motherboard. As long as it has all the ports and features you need or want it’s fine.

I get heart palpitations above $450..

Boy you must be dripping nowdays

Yeah I feel spending more than $300 on a MB is too much.

My first build about half a year ago used a 100 dollar motherboard.

6000mhz holy fuck

Does it give you a happy ending? If not...

Searching through comments all day to find someone pointing out this main m.2 slot, thank you bro😊

You mean the one with a block that houses a singular m.2? The one that connects to the PCIE 5 slot? Why not in the Gen Z.2 drive? I'm confused. 😕

@@Tennosou I doubleckecked the specs, and that block doesnt have any M.2 slot underneath.

@zhangbohaoovid the block with the LED of the ROG logo? Yeah, think that one does not. But the one below it does, and it can house 2 m.2 ssds. Apparently, those are the last slots you should use in terms of performance, correct me if im wrong.

@@Tennosou Because its a pcie 5 m.2 slot.... if you use the gen z.2 drive with both a pcie 5 and pcie 4 m.2's, your boot drive with default to pcie 4 speeds. thats not the case if you only use one of the slots on the z.2 but that wouldnt be very smart

me have same motherboard like you... :P my setup: Chassi: In Win Gnone ( Old but good and work find for me) Cpu: ryzen 9 5950X (OC and UnderVolting 5Ghz ) Cpu Cooler: EK-AIO 360 Elite D-RGB Motherborad: ROG CROSSHAIR VIII EXTREME Ram Kit 1: Team Group Delta 32gb kit 3200hz Ram Kit 2: Team Group Delta 32gb kit 3200hz ( Total Ram: 64Gb ) Gpu 1: GainWard Phantom 3080 GS Gpu 2: Gigabyte 1080ti Gaming OC SSD 1 : M.2 Nvme Samsung 970 pro 512GB ( Duel Boot System, win 10 education, kali, Parrot ) SSD 2: M.2 Nvme samsung 970 evo plus 2tb (For Games Only ) SSD 3: M.2 Nvme Kingstone Fury Renegade 2TB ( For LAB And VM = Virtual Machine Only ) SSD 4: M.2 Nvme Kingstone Fury Renegade 2TB ( For Games And Program/Apps Only ) SSD 5: samsung 870 evo plus 1tb ( For Vst and Sample Only ) HDD: WD Red Disk "256MB" Total 10TB Optical Drive: Asus Blu-Ray Burner Psu: SilverStone 1500W Strider Gold S 80c I know i need new chassi/chase, so i can get USB Type C and hight Speed too...:P

13 fans lol. I'm not an engineer but I can tell you 3 fans can work better than that, the case design has to create a vacuum with highest airflow. Might even be more efficient and energy saving.

13 fans 💀

@Fyn Kozari had for intake 3 front, 3 side, 3 bottom. Exhaust 1 rear, 3 top. Originally tried for 6 on top for a push and pull but the VRM was too tall.

This board also fits in the O11 Air mini

I'm running the full 13 fans in my O11Evo, just because. I like excess!

Yeah, but for people like me, upgrading every 6 years, really gotta choose carefully. Im gonna skip Nvidia 3000 series. Maybe even 4000.

@@fynkozari9271 Im staying on 3000 series till probably 5000. Everything is too expensive now

Dark Hero for 220 is great value. but it was not launched at that price.

Most, not all.

Well this is unfortunate

More money =/= better board. You buy one that has the feature set you're looking for. Otherwise you're just paying more money to look pretty.

I was thinking the same thing and was confused when he said he would put his main M.2 in the GEN-Z.2 slot.

More like 700 more than it should be

@@audhen1 $300 is not a flagship motherboard, I’d say $500 is a very reasonable flagship.

@@thetshadow999animates9 who cares when performance is on par with low to midrange mobos anyway...

@@ceasarcruz8312 some people want features or even just the look.

@@thetshadow999animates9 what features, the same ones that are on cheaper boards? 🤣🤣🤣

be honest if you that rich you can afford that board you should also get a soundcard

Oh, and it can't do Dolby Digital out because Asus uses bottom shelf DAs

Tbh if you’re spending 1000+ on a motherboard and still using integrated audio, you’ve lost the plot.

@@keine_ahnung_wie_der_heisst and that way this card is bad, you can buy other cards and the soundcard for the same price has this

Comments like these (and the people who like them) shows how out of touch so many people in the tech community are. Imagine getting a 1K motherboard and using integrated audio 😂😂😂😂

Only minor differences between the boards. I chose the hero for my upgrade. The hero doesn't have the dimm.2 slot, but it does come with an add in pcie card instead.

back when I made my PC in 2018 a $300-$500 motherboard was considered super high end with the $500 considered outrageous. By the time of my next PC I will just be outpriced of this hobby.

@@GrandSil90 There will always be cheap alternatives. Of course stuff gets more expensive as time goes on. While indeed the ceiling on what you can possibbly spend on any kind of pc-hardware has gone WAY up, the lower end will always be there. Consider this. PC-Gaming is still going very strong and game developers allways have an eye on what kind of machines people are actually running (steam statistics and all that) and they will always make sure that people can actually play their games. So when few can get the new expensive shiny hardware, game developers will just support older hardware for a much longer time. Good example would be the PS4 support from even Sony Games. Their biggest games this year all came out for PS4 as well (God of War Ragnarok, Grant Turismo 7 and Horizon Forbinden West) because PS5 production was falling behind because of the chip shortage while the PS4 install base is something like 120 million. What this means for pc gaming: I think, because of the ongoing worldwide financial crisis combined with the ridiculous price increases for higher end GPUs, a lot of people in the next 5 years won't be upgrading as often (if ever) and not getting top of the line cards anymore. Cards like a 3050, 3060, 6600, 6700xt (and all versions in bettween) will be relevant for a very long time because game studios will target these specs. Most GPU intensive games will also come out with DLSS and FSR support. As long as your rig is about as powerful as a Series S (not even PS5/SeriesX) you will be running games at medium to high settings on your 1080p display for a long time. The defining FOMO-Feature of the next years will be raytracing but baked lighting is still so good, that it barely matters. Big games like Call of Duty have ridiculous budgets but publisher need to actually sell these games in massive quantities and these games NEED to run on consoles, including the Series S. Sure, the next Grand Theft Auto is likely going to be next gen only and a bit of a graphics showcase but I'd be surprised if a 3060 or 6600 couldn't produce absolutely beautiful graphics at 1080p at 60fps with DLSS or FSR.

Yeah, it is stupid though the people who care about pcie lanes tend to be folks doing virtualization with an IOMMU. How many other use cases are there?

@@brettfo You'd be surprised how many file-copy, decompression/recompression, video transcode, and other kinds of work-related operations can be accelerated from a couple minutes to a couple seconds just by having enough IO and cores in one place. Pricey, but to some people, worth it in terms of money earned or just frustration avoided.

Fun fact about all that RGB: since launch, there has been a BIOS "bug" that ignores any attempt to have it turn off RGB ("stealth mode") when the system is in soft-off state. You disable RGB, save the changes, it says it's disabling it, you reboot, and the setting is already enabled again. So every time you power down the system or put it to sleep, it goes straight to rainbow vomit mode. And there's a lot of it. Since one of the can't-stop-the-signal RGB panels is the ROG logo, it's hard to believe that's not intentional. Especially since I've observed the exact same behavior on a Z790E board.

If you can find a proart board for sale

I've been a fan of their TUF line since the Sabertooth Z170 Mark 1. For me they strike an excellent balance between price, features and stability, and they don't go crazy with the aesthetic design.

Last time , ProArt was basically C8E without the bullshit. Even had the thunderbolt. I would recommend proart over extreme to anyone. Except my C8E blew up on resume twice and the third replacement was covered in scratches so I would actually recommend not buying Asus, especially at this price..

of course but i feel like there is definitely massively diminishing returns after the $500 or even $400 price point

@@syf_jojiahhh2834 Based on what? You say there is, but do you have evidence to prove your point?

If your not buying the cheapest, most crummy motherboard out there? you will be find with a $200 motherboard. If there's features you don't use on it, it's wasted cash.

@@viscountalpha it’s based on the fact that the performance of these boards simply don’t scale linearly with the price. I’m not going to explain or show the measurements to you, there are plenty of those on YT. I’m speaking very generally here, I’m not going to give supporting evidence just to explain it to you, you can do your own research. If you have to ask that, then it seems like you either disagree or just don’t know anything about the subject

There is zero performance difference in mobos lol. As long as there are current gen compatibility stuff then there is literally zero difference

Even if you spent $5000 on a board, it's still not going to run 128GB at 6000 MT/s. If you are really lucky, you might get it stable around ~5000. Otherwise you're stuck with 64GB on Zen 4.

It would not, as it’s not a motherboard issue, but memory controller issue, and is clearly documented in AMDs spec. 4x32 is technically 2*4 chip selects to get to the right place when addressing the RAM. No motherboard will change this.

U are looking for a Enterprise focused build then like Threadrippers motherboards. Something that supports quad channel ram

I use 128Gb of G.Skill 6000Mhz rated memory on the x670e Crosshair Extreme and while it remains amazingly fast (I can OC it to 6200 stably btw, but while I say that, it does cause a crash about once a month or so, which I think is actually a Windows issues, so whatever... but it's 100% the memory speed as I never get crashes set at 6000 so I stick to 6000, and you know what who cares, it's amazing as is), it is still limited because of the memory controller spec. 6400Mhz is really pushing it. This isn't a limitation of the motherboard uniquely, it's just the memory controller spec, which you can't really do anything about afaik (correct me if I'm wrong here pls). Same issue with any other motherboard afaik. Maybe you want an EPYC or Threadripper for omega memory? Quad channel might be where it's at for you depending on your use case. I really doubt you'd be unhappy with a 7950X and the x670e Crosshair Extreme though.

@@MyZombieLick Nothing to correct, you're spot on. Currently available 32GB DDR5 DIMMs are 2 ranks per stick, and the slots themselves are 2 per channel. The memory controller has to go through two chip selects to address a memory block, which takes time (latency). In addition to that, there is some bandwidth weirdness inherent to AM5 CPUs so occasionally, during higher bus loads things get unstable. It is what it is. AMD themselves do NOT recommend going beyond 4500 or whatever the number was.

Good for you

That's not a fun fact, that's just something you did on your own

Who asked?

@@benedictjajo jomama

@@Garfield192 🤣

Agreed, complete waste of money.

Does all the stuff here worth 1K$? Probably not, but does it worth 250$ haha in your dream maybe.

There are many reasons for this drop in value. One of the main reasons is that there is an ongoing debate about whether or not Bitcoin should be regulated as a security or as a currency.

I would advice you to trade your assets rather than hodl for a future you aren't sure about, only predictions.

@@beverly8480 Well, I've tried but was so confused with the inflation in price, due to the pointers on how to make substantial progress in earnings?

@@thomasrichard3166 If you are not conversant with the markets, I'd advise you to get some kind of advise or assistance from a financial/investing coach. It might sound basic or generic, but getting in touch with an investment broker was how I was able to outperform the market and raise a profit of $2.5M For me, its the most ideal way to jump into the market these days

@@beverly8480 That's sum cool profit. I dream of that

I agree, 1 GBit NiC is the standard for... pretty much 20 years by now. The issue is just that 10 GBit RJ45 NiCs use a lot of power (several Watts), which needs additional cooling. But I wouldn't mind seeing motherboards with 10GBit SFP+ ports...

This is true, you get what you pay for.

Knowing the cost of each feature would tell us how mfrs' priorities stack up to ours.