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Aldrachi reaver is like playing a rogue but you have no combo point UI and you have to walk over your combo points to pick it up and nothing tells you that you have a combo point to pick up so you have to walk around looking for them and on top of that other players and mechanics can cover up your combo hiding them from you. Also spawning combo points is totally random so you have no way to tell when you should pick it up.

My favorite playstyle is Cycle of Hatred with Eye Beam resets, haste amped sitting in Demon form permanently spinning on the target with the Chaos Strike animation. All this dashin around and backflipping with damage windows, that's some new age nonsense. I just wanna spin baby😎

You can see other demon hunter's soul fragments on all classes on beta. It's so bizarre.

I took one look at this and went “nope!” I’m sure the damage will be great. But by the time I get home to log in and play, I really enjoyed the fun simplistic version of eye beam, blade dance! Now there are WAAY to many “damage windows” to keep up with and now u add in more amps. Mind blown.

I think the main problem is that it wont float to have a class do substantially more damage than others, just because it has a complex rotation/is hard to play. They will bring the damage in line with the others (at least to a point) and then aldrachi is hard to play with little pay off and really weak when making mistakes (which makes it also hard to get into).

The two classes I play are Havoc and Enhancement Shaman...I'm hoping Havoc gets some attention after this week, or im going to have to reconsider my main. This play style feels needlessly complicated.

It's a shame the devs are so disconnected from their audience. Havoc has been super attractive to so many people due to it's simplicity. I personally welcomed some of the complexity that was introduced over the years, but they are pushing this waaaaay too much atm and the spec is gonna be of the table for sooo many people. I think Fel-scarred is a design that caters way better to the average Havoc player and if they buff it enough to be competitive, it would serve as a really good alternative to keep the Havoc community from falling apart.

I just cannot imagine that anyone at blizzard actually plays DH or cares about it, otherwise to me there's no way ANYONE would've thought this playstyle is fun or good for the class.

that example you had at 15min is exactly what i kept running into this past weekend. i love s4 tier set.. i didnt realize how much it would mess me up forgetting about that button.

1) Make Reaver's Mark a buff on us instead of a debuff on a single target 2) Allow the buff to be extended past 20s, if the same type (15% vs 30%, resetting if you go the other way)-can reduce time of buff to compensate These things give us time to do other stuff than chaos strike while making this doable in M+ or dealing with adds. 3) Maybe some interaction with Glaive talents; maybe make Fury of Aldrachi a choice node that casting BD second essentially does the DF tier set

Its funny how DH went from one of the easiest specs (3 button rotation in BFA) to a way more complex gamestyle.

The skill cap to play this well seems very high. If it is lapping other dps then it will get nerfed and that leaves a spec with a very high skill cap needing to play perfectly to be on par with other builds and average players not able to compete.

Throw Glaive should scoop up any soul frags anywhere it travels. Reavers Mark should be nerfed to 15% and be applied either by blade dance or CS to prevent the override (Reavers Mark should just be a reward for pressing Reaver’s Glaive.) Deciding on what to press first in your combo should be if you want to do more AOE or single target dmg. (Blade dance buffed more if first, CS buffed more if first.)

Love the class since Legion and played Havoc and Vengeance. This by far, from what you have shown from the Beta, very concerning.

I wish throw glaive was not gcd

Wtf why does doing damage have to be so complicated. Watching videos about rotations and seeing the 12 steps you have to do makes me not want to play the game at all. Kinda regret preordering.

you got my vote!

As a longtime DH main, I have not liked either hero trees. I mainly play havoc and I just dislike how the rotation works in AR. And FS just feels bland.

Great vid, sir! In my experience, I've been rather disappointed with DH in the beta. Simply put, I don't want to play Aldrachi as Fel-Scarred speaks to me but, as you mentioned, it's be awful. While I know some love Aldrachi, for me, it feels bad to play. When it's getting to the point that I'm considering switching from Havoc to Resto Druid for my main, that says a lot. It's hard but I'm holding on to a sliver of hope that Fel-Scarred will get some love and Aldrachi gets some adjusting.

Aldrachi to me looks just cool but unfinished, I mean, it's uncommon in wow history to have a spec that's challenging to play that's also very strong, there were other cases, but for sure it's not common. The big problem imo is that with aldrachi they should add an effect (maybe a side effect of an already existing node) that makes your imo aura or blade dance suck up all the souls in the area, like sb or soul cleave for vengeance. That wouldn't fix all the issues, but for sure it would make the gameplay a lot less chaotic and would put some control back in player's hands. There'd be other problems to fix for sure, but at least this would be some progress in a good direction, as it is rn the soul part of the spec doesn't make any sense.

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Omg I ended dropping my dh to now don’t even considering it as an alter

the quality of your videos just keeps getting better and better

Thank you for pointing out how horrible the playstyle is - i really hope they also pull the ripcord with this one, like they did with the m+ changes (which were very good)

Too many buttons.. rotations...so much complexity..I'm missing the easy dps DH spec.😢.

it seems fun but soul fragments should be a little more visible

voted :) keep up with the great content

This is definitely a problem and I really hope they can come up with some compromise to make this a bit smoother of gameplay for Havoc. Standing around wanting to keep the 30% buff up but not having Blade Dance ready feels very bad, maybe they can make both dmg amps to be equal so you aren't over writing one with a weaker one. They hopefully can do something to fix this problem as well as do something with Fel Scarred to make it also a viable option.

I’ve been testing on beta and I’m no where near as detailed as you are. I have tried devastation evokers, havoc demon hunters and windwalker monks and my Demon hunter is doing nearly double everyone else’s damage. Windwalker is on par as well. My evoker just floundered in comparison. Not sure what I want to main come August.

Aldrachi is bad but playing cycle and sd is good and how dh should be played

Hi. Wanted to ask that we are now nearing the end of DF and still there no info about the Demonbikes which were basically meant for us to suit our helms. Any idea about those?

What kind of spaghetti code does blizzard use for class tuning? Sheesh? How can a pvp nerf affect pve? Just insane. You just have one value to scale pvp. I really want to see their code.

So my suspicion of a stealth nerf wasn't too farfetched XD, did think my dmg numbers didn't add up wot what they used to haha I'm kind of baffled that blizzard don't seem to understand the concept of exponential scaling and the massive problem it become down the line if it's already this overpowered.

PTSD from Dragonflight's beta/early tree concepts. They will fix some of this, but we will get a badly designed spec when the xpac launches, with some QOL updates every 6 months. But it's ok, the numbers will be big. Abandoned class.

This is good feedback. I wonder how they feeel about the situation where blade dance is on cooldown. Personally, I feel thats just skill issue.

Well, looks like since Legion, my DH that i loved playing will no longer be my main. Probably moving over to ele shammy. Or even another class I have never played since i started back in early BC. Once again, blizz ruins a fun class.

DH without S3\S4 tier set autocasting throw glaives = dead demon hunter to 90% of the player base. Feels dogshait to play without it, same with TheHunt reset

Voted :)

Now even shamans get rework ... Nothing new for DH`s....

If it's another sinful brand dh, I fear for this game

they wanted to make sure both dh specs were either dogshit or boring to play in the next expac. fun.

Blizzard Pls D:

Damage windows and buff/debuff management has ruined the DH class. Between that and mandatory movement builds are making me not only rethink playing the class, but rethink playing the game. Havoc was incredibly fun to play in Legion and BFA, and they've absolutely ruined it since Shadowlands, and it's only getting worse.

"Havoc Demon Hunter is not going to be in a good spot" My guy, I've been saying this since the Tier Set came out, as soon as we drop our DF tier set, were back to where we were at in DF S1, where we're stacking oodles of one secondary (Haste in this case) and our damage output is dependent on uptime, not that it still technically is. Our DF Tier Set right now, at this present moment, is the ONLY reason we are still doing fine, you take that away, where does that leave us? Not with many options thats for damn sure. My main take away from all of this, these are filler talents - Incisive Blade increases Chaos Strike Damage by 30%; *If they wanted to buff Chaos Strike, they should have just buffed it. Period.*

i can tell u this that 4% was hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !!!

I think its time for them to remove and rework all the momentum talents into something different. It adds to much complexity to the class that will get you killed alot especially during the early days when youre learning the dungeons and the mechanics.

The background music in this video is quite a bit too bombastic, it really takes away from your talking points.

Aha so we went back to sinful brand gameplay. I reroll mage!

Sigh, back to paladin.

Kiss failure

This is clunky and annoying, but wow is it going to be tanky.

There is a saying remeber what you wish for ....thx to blizzard they fcked my DH epic time ....fml ...

Bro walk to there and pick up something then you can use your hero talents worst class design i have seen like when they tried to add spectral sight to your dps rotation. dh needs some new class devs.

Basically, what I can gather so far with most complaints, is that they don't want to feel forced to play a high skill - high reward version of Havoc. I understand that they can buff fel-scarred slightly to get it closer in terms of numbers to set it as a viable option, but with the right build, at least on current beta, the soul gen is fine for havoc aldrachi (just annoying with the visual clutter when in raid or multiple dhs which I assume is a bug). Why not keep a highly demanding hero tree for those who want to put in the time to min-max to it's fullest potential and be rewarded for it and have fel-scarred still there just worse in terms of performance but much easier to play as apparently most of your dh audiance wants? Seems like intended/good game design in my book.

i was talking to a friend when the tier sets were first revealed and i was like "yea this will be very powerful but not fun to play at all" imo Aldrachi Reaver is for those who min-max and do their rotation perfectly which is always gonna result in it being ahead. meanwhile fel-scarred is braindead ooga booga slam glowing buttons. both of which are incredibly unfun to play. i think essence break nailed the right balance between interesting min-maxing gameplay and being somewhat simple. but then again Aldrachi Reaver was made with vengeance in mind not havoc and vice-versa with fel-scarred. on a note for vengeance with soul fragments (idk how this could work for havoc) it's already basically combo points with extra steps. might as well just make it a combo point system and change the animation since it's already problematic anyway (all these times you wanted to move/kite and accidentally absorbed soul fragments by moving instead of spirit bomb).

this whole tree is shit... uninspired and boring af just like most of the hero talents.. never been more disappointed by a new xpac mechanic (right behind azerite armor)... its like they didnt learn anything from covenants

People are upset at DH changes because they actually have to manage something.. it’s always been just a high sustain/burst class where you didn’t have to think just press buttons and go!! Haste was steroids for havok!! Even vengeance has been best tank because it had more to its kit that worked better than other tanks. They balance it a bit and people just drop the class even though it’s still good!! But just not as OP so it’s trash 🤦‍♂️ people never are happy with a class unless it’s way over tuned compared to other classes that’s just the nature of it..

Sounds like you should stop playing dh and go to healing so I can play survival

I don't follow on the Sinful Brand bit. SB did like 80% of our dmg and so you kept it up. RG increases all dmg so you keep it up. Those two things aren't equal. Also, all they need to do is remove the stupid "ability combo." They really should have just made it like the current tier set + bonus (the bonus being just a 30% dmg increase after throwing this fancy glaive that does a bunch of dmg). Either way, I lost faith in DH design long ago.

You're focusing too much on getting reavers glaive up. Just play the class and keep it in reserve or just You know. Get good and don't rely on it. Or both.

Some DHs wanted a no mover build and now we got Sinful brand 2.0 surprise surprise. Any thing that makes me play a no mover build annoys me.

good no more overpowered dh

I think in essence this video is kind of missing the point with Aldrachi, in that it's not supposed to be enjoyed by "most" of Havoc players. S3+4 of DF finally showed a significant difference between good and mediocre Havoc players, which was quite frankly amazing. I'm not advocating for widening the gap even further, but suggesting to make Aldrachi Reaver less complex is beyond me. Holding off on pressing Blade Dance for a few seconds in anticipation of the next Reaver's Glaive really isn't a lot to ask for and even so, you can overwrite the 15% buff just as quickly as you did with the 30%. It also has nothing to do with Sinful Brand at all, not like we're getting a no-mover Eye Beam build again (or that our dps collapses upon letting the debuff drop momentarily). I'm aware that to many players, Havoc is practically the Beastmaster of melee, so why can't they simply play Fel Scarred, which was designed for pressing all your buttons immediately? Having two entirely different playstyles in the two Heroic trees is a perfect solution (this debate comes up every single patch), so when it comes to Aldrachi it would be fair to represent the other spectrum of the DH community. Nobody is forcing anyone to play Aldrachi, but only prefering a simple playstyle when it outperforms the more complex ones is hypocrisy at it's finest. We all know that, in reality, this is the underlying problem. I feel like Blizzard could work on a few quality of life issues with Soul Fragments, but there really isn't any major non-skill issue with the tree. I'm grateful for a lot of changes you managed to bring for Havoc, but this take goes against your previous philosophy in so many ways too. Fortunately, despite the weight that your words seem to have in front of Blizz, I'm confident that they're aware of how Aldrachi isn't made for the dad gamers out there and will leave the skill ceiling intact.