Why would the Pi imager software not allow changing of settings?

@@greglawson9729It does; once you select an OS that allows settings to be modified it pops up the gear icon.

Stopped doing that all together @@JeffGeerling

that Bottom version seems interesting, I kind of want to combine it with an Intel Optane SSD and see what the performance is with the low latency and high IOps.

they should have just added the plug and play NVME slot so we as a customers do not need to modifying / buying an extra device just for a storage slot.

Thanks! I can't wait to see if someone makes a few other HATs to make an even more compact, fast little NAS box for the Pi!

Gotta go fast!

Joo, a guy from poland, Polska gurom

where can i read that pi 5 is made in poland?

I have been asking about this-it'd be nice for RAID 1 / RAIDZ1 for a little NAS... right now it would not support any kind of boot through the PCIe switch but that's not as big a deal for most of us who just want multiple storage devices! I think one or two makers will come up with solutions, so stay tuned!

@@JeffGeerling There are PCI-e scheduler/multiplexer chips that IIRC work pretty well for storage. I have a mobo with one and it worked pretty well with only a very small increase in latency.

@@ChrisModjeska @JeffGeerling thats what i want to see too, any of those non-bifurcation boards with a 2-4 M.2 slots and a ASMedia ASM2806/ASM2812/ASM2824 or Broadcom/PLX PEX 8712/8724 chip with pcie adapters on the M.2 slots so they can be broken out to a handful of pcie devices. open questions are drivers and power availability tho

You know what would be even better? A HAT with a *real* PCIe connector, so you can just plug in whatever you want! 10Gb networking, video card? Sure!

@@Destructificial The issue there is that it's a x1 interface.

I thought the same thing! Great idea! I believe the fan pulls in air from the top, which is even better.

The stock active cooler blows down.

Excellent idea, fan doesn't have to blow up though, blowing down will pull air from the top around SSD down to CPU heatsink below.

And wouldn't it be easier to put the NVMe board underneath?

the fan blows hot air, it won't cool but heat the ssd i think

Having a ground plane there may or may not affect things, but I agree, a future revision of this board could have some more opportunities for airflow (maybe even an integrated space for a fan, or a 3D printed duct!)

Future versions hopefully will just be the m.2 edge slot and cable that goes to the pi. We don't need a whole card taking up space.

@ The M.2 hold down is usually pretty important though.

ehhh it’s a hat, it uses the rest of the pcb as construction material to attach properly. Making it in a non standard (non rectangular) shape would be expensive

​@@awwastor totally agree with you. It's a hat. That's how a hat looks like.

Agreed on both accounts! FFC connectors are not the easiest to work with, either.

Isn't m.2 basically a pcie slot? If so, why didn't the just use that?

space on the board @@danielpicassomunoz2752

@@danielpicassomunoz2752 I _presume_ because they couldn't find the space on the Pi mainboard for a pcie slot - the FFC connector they used instead is a quarter of the size or less, and the Pi mainboard is very dense. But, I don't know. Typical M.2 storage deployments, though, are parallel to the board whereas pcie slots are perpendicular. So integrating an M.2 connector would mean either an SSD sticking out the side (bad) or an SSD overlapping most of the chips and passives on the board and maybe colliding with the USB and Ethernet ports (worse).

@@dansummers2965 i think the main reason is so you have more options on what you connect to pcie. if it would be M.2 on board, you are limited to that. sure, there are adapters to turn M.2 into pretty much anything else too. but i think the FFC connector was the best option bet to give the most versatility.

I agree, why did they not just scrap the SDCard and put a NVME connector on the board itself. It is still a hazzle to get a Pi with a PoE and "Something other than SDCard" into a nice small package that can actually run solely off of PoE. Lets hope they ditch the SDCard in Rpi 6, i think i will just keep my 4b right now, it does what it is supposed to, but with a USB connected SSD sadly.

@@JohnDoe-bd5sz I SO agree - they missed an obvious opportunity here. Hopefully, they will get it right in RP 6

@@JohnDoe-bd5sz they keep the SD card for education reasons. Schools can't afford those NVMe drives, even though they have got a lot cheaper. Not all projects require a fast and reliable drive. SD card is plenty for many people. Losing that option would be a shame,

Honestly I'd love to see UEFI native on Pi, someday... we can dream...

Not a bad idea; I've used 90° angled adapters for GPIO before, it would be nice to have that out of the way for many builds.

How about this, make the plated it through holes again. Or offer the GPIO at the bottom - In my car radio project, I had to Tear out the GPO connector and flip it around so that I could call the raspberry pi 4 properly - Until they understand that the GPIO cannot be in the same direction as the fan The raspberry pie is not a viable industrial platform

@@vinniemoscaritolo3318 viable industrial platform, which is why they have the compute modules

They must be developing the PI 6 now considering how long the PI 5 was in the oven. 90 degree header would make soo many other project ideas possible. You can buy a 40 pin 90 degree header and fit it yourself if you are handy with a soldering iron. I got one fitted to my PI Zero 2 W.

@@vinniemoscaritolo3318 Ah yes, "not a viable industrial platform", which is why the raspberry pi is widely used as an industrial platform...

Please let us know how they are working out for you.

@@johnq.public2621 my RPi5 arrives in another month or so. Seems the original 2024 RPi5 dates reported a year ago were right. Only early eval deliveries happened last year. Now pre-orders are quite backlogged.

​@@johnq.public2621seems RPi5 can be ordered for overnight delivery is you're willing to pay a $50 premium. Could that be why pre-orders for $80 are out of stock?

@@johnq.public2621 @JeffGeerling Finally received my RPi5. My experience with the Pineberry Hat using an inland TN325 1TB all mounted in the topless (see point 3 below) official RPi5 case is similar to Jeff's. The inland seems to be slightly faster than the one Jeff used. I haven't stressed it much while it's been in the case without the top but cpu temp seems to stay under 60C, ranging from 54C - 58C. Downside 1a: In order to change the nvme drive, the Pineberry hat must be unscrewed from the standoffs since the nvme retaining screw is inaccessible between RPi5 and the hat. Pineberry did not provide short enough screws that would allow attaching the the brass retaining nut from the bottom such that the nvme drive could be screwed down from the top. Somehow, Jeff was able to screw his drive down from the top. I would have had the screw sticking up by many threads and not holding the nvme drive down tightly. Downside 1b: If the GPIO extender in installed, it's a pita to disassemble in order to change the nvme drive. I noticed a few reviews showing the hat being installed without the GPIO extender but none with it. Downside 2: Neither Raspberry Pi nor Pineberry include longer screws to secure the standoffs from the bottom of the case. If the standoffs are screwed on with the Pineberry supplied short screws, then it doesn't fit in the case. Downside 3: The Pi case snap-in top rests on top of the Pineberry hat board instead of sliding down on the four corners. A rubber band can hold it on though. 🩹 There are traces on the Pineberry Hat that connect a few GPIO pins to the rest of the board. IIRC, one was power but I thought power was delivered through the FPC. The Pineberry bottom testing will need to wait until I find a case that can house it and the official Raspberry Pi PoE hat comes out.

Argon One M.2 is the best solution for Pi 4, I am currently running two of them :) This should be a little faster at default Gen 2 speeds, mostly in the latency (USB to NVMe or SATA causes a little loss there), but a lot faster if you bump to Gen 3 speeds!

@@JeffGeerling I wonder what Argon40 will be making now...?

@@maxgood42 At a first guess, they will make Pi 5 cases with an M.2 bottom where you can use that FFC (completely internally to the assembled case), leaving all USB ports free.

@@apveening And then the Pi 5 NAS GOD.

argon case has tested and many other have lot worst than better ice tower but whit ice tower nt can use any HAT on board. and not have many case what can use. need plan and 3D print own case and all peoples not have printer.

Can't disagree there! Their reasoning was it would add too much cost to fit an M.2 slot somewhere on the board (and probably require more layers on the PCB), but hopefully it happens someday.

sure, if they were able to fit an m.2 slot on the board without making it bigger that would've been nice, if they weren't able to do that then they made the right choice

@@goblinslayer5404 keeping in mind that I know nothing about electronics or board design, it certainly looks like a 2230 SSD would fit on top if you moved the heat-generating components out of the way. Maybe specify single-sided only if something needs to be mounted underneath it. At least there was enough space for a functionless resistor that tells you how much RAM is installed. It's an odd choice to have 2 HDMI _and_ 2 MIPI connectors, but not a single built-in option for reliable storage.

@@goblinslayer5404 orange pi 5 has a m.2 on the bottom of the board

I love the value of Mikrotik's gear. So much hardware for so little cash!

I won't tell Red Shirt Jeff you think his quality is reduced :D

Yeah; hopefully they can get a board with a PCIe switch, and have two NVMe on one adapter!

They will :)

@@79ober My expectation as well.

*This *Raspberry Pi *project. Awesome! *I (this word should always be capitalized) *case.

*a USB (because "yoo-ess-bee" begins with a consonant sound) "A" vs "an" is determined by the *sound* that immediately follows, not the letter.

If the data being served is fairly static and it's mainly log files you are concerned with, there is always the option of using a ramdisk if you have the 8GB or even 4GB RAM version, and sync changes to microSD only periodically to limit write frequency/cycles. Combine that with a high/max endurance card, it will last much longer than stock, but still delaying the inevitable versus reliable, proper storage.

Using only the power of my mind!

and many other important board need adding, better plan all under to raspi all board, HDMI,music board RCA,optic plug, power boards,many have need use but if use best cooler ice tower not can use any. this is worst big fail at raspberry. same not have modular cases what can use if use normal many different HAT boards.