You think you can do one of these match ups? Quinlan Vos vs. Darth Maul, Starkiller clone (or Galen Marek) vs. Darth Krayt, or Starkiller clone (or Galen Marek) vs Anakin Skywalker

MultiLeonard1000 Versus Series | Anakin Skywalker vs Galen Marek

Antoine Bandele thanks for sending me the link. I can't believe I couldn't find it earlier. The match up was really cool. I also really like the theme music in the beginning and end credits. Do you think you could send me a link to that music?

MultiLeonard1000 Krayt would whoop Galen's ass.

OMG Antoine Bandele!!!! big fan man!!!!!!!

I agree with you there

@@gustavserrander9268 Sora got disrespected. He went toe to toe with 2 of the greatest duelist of all time in Windu and Dooku and was said to be equal to them, losing out due to force powers. Cao has no feats except death

Rob Da 5 8 no feats? He literally was the first to fight a sith in centuries, then as he told his padawan to retreat, he continued to fight both of the sith head on, ended up killing one of them, but lost to the apprentice after his stamina ran out, and really can you blame him for losing against DARTH FRICKING MALGUS?

@@smoothily9755 Malgus master was fodder

Rob Da 5 8 ok? And? He still took on both of them

I say if it was a fresh Kao Cen Darach vs fresh Malgus, Kao would of won

@@KumaoftheForest A fresh Kao Cen Darach vs "Return" era Malgus is definitely a win for the Zabrak Battlemaster. Any other version of Malgus however . . .

I know its an old comment, but I would definitely love to see that too. Both mace and kyle are sort of the black sheep of the jedi with one in terms of lightsaber combat the other with the use of the force. I really hope jensaarai1 or the others see this suggestion too.

The fight could go either way but I would favor Katarn

@@raicattivo Just like how Windu would have trouble against a blademaster like Dooku, Katarn would give Windu a hard time because he'll never be able to get going & he would have to get creative if he wants a real chance. I think shatterpoint could give him an edge though. I'd still wager that Katarns versatility would be enough to win the day. Maybe katarn wins 6/10 times.

Windu may have Shatterpoint but Katarn has lightning and Healing (and Tutaminis and more developed telepathy but that’s irrelevant )

Wish granted. Dimond360 did that matchup on his channel :)

hey im from the future and jensaarai1 just upload darach vs obi wan, unfortunately you have to wait for another 3 years

I'm with you man, Niman does have a bad rap due to how difficult it is to master, but once mastered could make it's practitioner a master of everything and know how to use the options provided by the form. It's a jack of all trades form with the potential to make anyone with the dedication and will to put the effort into it a massive threat to their enemies

I think Niman is a lot like Juyo in that it should be very different because of who could be using it. The differences in Niman users like Darth Krayt, Durach, and Exar Kun are a good example of this.

it's an haw do I put it. it is a jack of all trade master of none. your no master your just good. I like Niman too.

I agree that Niman gets a bad rap but I think the problem is is that so many niman practitioners only use the diplomatic version the Darth plagues version becomes where all the prominent swordsmen use other forms and forget how skilled a true master of the other two versions can be because no one uses the other two versions the Darth krayt and kao cen darach versions

@@thepancakespy2355 agreed. Pretty much like Terrell said, niman is alot like juyo it can be very different depending on the user and how not just skilled they are but innovative and versatile they can be. Darth krayt and cao cen durach are definitely two characters that I think personify that well.

Very likely yes. At this stage anyway.

He said in a different video (I believe it was Durach v Zallow) that he believed the fight would have resolved "very differently" had fatigue not been an issue.

No he would not be able to. Yes darach became fatigued, but you also have to remember that this was far from Malgus at his prime. Malgus was a mere apprentice at the time and improved significantly as a Sith Lord.

While Malgus was an apprentice, more than likely. But if Malgus is in his prime, nope.

I think he probably could have

Touche'. I'll concede there was a bit of a rhetorical flourish in my closing there. I was on a roll and probably should have reeled myself in a bit. But you hit the nail on the head when it comes to something that i've always referred to as a beings' "home form" or "backbone" form. I had a kung fu instructor once impress upon me this maxim when learning a fighting form: "Don't be like your favorite teacher. Be like all of them." What he meant by that was, even there are elements in your teachers/fellow students sequences that you don't like, you can still learn it as a cautionary tale or still finding a way of incorporating something that works into your own sequence. Mixing and matching all of your influences to create a standard form for yourself while maintaining a foundation in one form that you can fall back to in a pinch. In my opinion, if I lived in that universe I'd opt for a home form of Soresu paired with Vaapad with a little bit of Niman thrown in for good measure would make a being incredibly difficult to defeat. Especially if they're chaining-in Force Attacks into their Lightsaber sequence. I think near-mastery of Niman (since its nigh-impossible to truly master) would give a duelist a grab bag of abilities to pull when needed if Soresu/Vaapad wasn't doing the trick. As also understanding how you'd apply the different forms into your sequence based on your approach is incredibly important. For example; Makashi blade control, Ataru slashes/body as a weapon mentality, Shien blast-deflection Shii-Cho randomness, Sokan for situational awareness, Force Attacks, Duel blade work, etc. etc. And I think what it comes down to is getting people on the same page of seeing the power/equality of Niman to the other forms. I'm really curious to see how they adapt the forms for the new films. Do we know who the new fight coordinator is? Or are they going with Gillard again?

mojosilver82 I didn't know that a lot of people thought niman was so good. If I had to choose which lightsaber froms I would use I would use Niman backed up by Soresu and Djem So

Sorry I would actually use it hybridisation of the ones I mentioned. In terms off tactics I would use Niman's adaptability and Soresu's defense to be able to adept and defend against any threat. I would use the quick parties and aggressive strikes of Djem So with the versatility and unpredictably of Niman

While I do think niman is a good style. I will admit it has flaws to. It just pisses me off that it is thought of as a bad style not worth learning. The other styles focus on one thing, or one way of doing something. And while it can make them more predicable. It also means there better at that thing then anyone else. But niman use a little bit of everything. It does not do anything better then the other styles and that is one of it's weakness. (That and dummies use the emphasis on moderation to mean they only need a moderate amount of practice to make this style work.) But you have more way to respond. And even that is as much a strength as it is a weakness. More options is not always a good thing. In a fight the other styles will quickly do what there train to do. Where a niman user will need to think about what's happening, then think about how to responded, then act. Niman practitioner's need intuition, improvisation, and creativity in combat. Rather than the rote responses the other forms rely on. Now after all that said, if I was a jedi (actually I'd probably be a sith) I would learn soresu first. Then niman. That way I'd always have a solid soresu defense to fall back on while I deiced how best to respond. And niman would be my omniweapon to respond however I need to.

Dragon XL Gaming I think form six and five are easily the best. They seem to be the more versatile. You've got everything covered. Blast deflection, strength orientated dueling covered by form 5 then you have a bit of skill in all forms with niman along with unarmed combat, fluid transition into telekinetic strikes and duel wielding covered by form six. Soreso is a bit too specialised and passive for me. I'd prefer quick counters and sending blaster bolts back at the enemy with form five to get the fight over with quickly.

The main issue with Niman is that is heavily based on the user itself. The user of him or herself needs to be able to recognize situations and adapt their lightsaber style accordingly. That is why Niman usually has a bad rep, most people just learn it for its stereotypical 'jack of all trades' trait. Whereas the true purpose of Niman is to be flexible and adapt accordingly. That is why few practitioners of Niman have found success. A lot of it is based on experience and natural talent and awareness in anticipating your opponent's moves. Think about it, Niman is usually only useful if you can read your opponent well during combat. Since Niman users have studied every form, in theory, they should know the general sequences their opponent uses. However, situations on the battlefield change, unpredictable force power integration, uncommon maneuvers, and acrobatics are performed to apply pressure and confuse your opponent. Experience in real-life combat goes a long way for Niman. At least, that's what I think. Although, you do occasionally get the outrageous prodigy who can utilize the form to its epitome like Revan and Exar Kun. Niman shouldn't be a standard form that is instructed like in the Clone Wars era Jedi. It should be like how it was in the Old Republic. Something for Jedi Masters that have mastered their desire form to the highest level already. Niman has no purpose if your base fundamentals are crap, as you need to be good enough to fight whilst staying level headed and reading your opponent. If you can't even do that, then Niman is useless.

I’d want Kit Fisto, if you can maintain a sense of humor even while in the midst of battle, it’d put me at ease, also I’d wanna learn Shii-Cho from him: the man who PERFECTED the style like Kenobi did with Soresu

@@KumaoftheForest part of the herd on this one, but id go with Kenobi. He's my personal favorite Jedi in the series and his skills in both combat and tactics I'd really like to learn, admittedly with a hint of djem so in the mix.

I would go with Agen Kolar, his natural strength and his mastery of Ataru would be really good to fight alongside.

Hmm I'm not sure who I would want but it would either be mace windu or kit gusto because water is all over the place and get could be an advantage. I also like k'kruhk for his resilience honestly theres a lot of good options

Anakin Skywalker, Revan, Luke Skywalker, Plo Koon, Ashoka or Kenobi.

... Being an Ataru specialist and occasionally incorporating elements of Niman into his technique. Either way this was still a good video.

***** Interesting. However this seems like one of those more obscure things in the lore that I have to question. Exactly how are Sith style red blades harder to "maneuver" since from what I understand the blades are weightless. How are the they more powerful and unstable, and in what regard? Has there ever been one instance in the lore that red blades could cut something at lest more easily than normal Jedi sabers or if Sith sabers have ever once been shown to randomly malfunction due to being more unstable? Sure it would make since in role playing games were such small details would matter which was why I brought it up, but in the actual lore if they never really demonstrate this I really don't see how it is even relevant. I'm not really questioning yourself specifically on this, just concepts themselves.

Psychonis i'm not the biggest fan of starwars but from time to time i do read random wikia's when i'm bored; i don't know how they were harder to handle, (maybe because the blade plays tricks on your eyes?), but there have been instances, (exceedingly few) where in a lightsaber fight the red short circuited the opponent, but it wasn't much of an issue unless you kept the two blades continuously crossed agains the other for a long while

Pablo Rius Can you name the source in the lore such as a story in the EU where this actually happened?

Psychonis Qordis states that red are significantly more powerful in "Darth Bane A Path of Destruction", i can't find an example where it actually happens though, sorry, as for the "playing tricks on the eyes" bit i mentioned, that was my theory entirely.

Pablo Rius Yeah, that' basically highlights most my issue with it. It seems like something in the lore which is just "there" and really serves no purpose and is never utilized.

+Sagnus1 I would completely agree with you in that. I do wish that the Jedi Knights were granted access to any of the Forms they wanted in the game.

Same with Cal Kestis from Jedi Fallen Order

Obiwan wins, it’d be an interesting match but I don’t think Mundi could break Kenobi’s defense

***** very interesting opnion. I do agree with most of it, I do believe the Rock, paper scissor mentality is the most correct,but I do believe sometimes despite all odds the rock will put a hole through paper and the scissor will cut the rock. Vader is my favorite fighter also, but I do believe the most complete and overwhelming fighter would be his son Luke Skywalker, because although he lacks the sophistication of his father, the guy is simply amazing at everything, I admire your work a lot, together with the Evannova , Greywolf and Antoinne, you guys do an amazing star wars work, I think I will ask for those 3 the same question I just did just to enjoy the answer

***** darth bane darth zannah vs darth tyranus darth maul

I'm presuming you're saying Vader is the best duelist because of capitalizing on his strength and compensating for his weaknesses like you said, but you don't honestly think he's the best duelist, right?

darkshadowssonic Niman is good but for me I don't care for it's lack of focused Blade training, if I was a Jedi I would be a Jedi Guardian and would focus greatly upon my sword play. So I would study it but my main style would be either Djem So, or Shien.

+darkshadowssonic for me i like form 1 like Lucien drayy and kit fisto because i can take on many opponents and it is very simple too learn

+Josh Campbell Djem So/Shien master race. But Niman is a pretty good style because it versatility and is about improvising instead of a normal combat sequence. But my style would consists of mastery of Djem So as the back bone of my style,shien for usage and training of reverse grip and blaster deflection. Then Niman to make up the weaknesses my previous styles and helps chain force abilities.

I personally would use a Juyo combo. If you pay attention to a of Jensaarai's videos, you know Juyo is only used when a person has training in all forms, and specializing in two to even six styles of combat. With that said, no style is the same with Juyo, so I'd use a Makashi/Ataru/Shien mix, becoming basically a jack of all trades.

Spectre the Espeon That would be a difficult combination to master, as Juyo, is so randomized and Makashi is so focused and precise but if it came together it would be devastating.

(or Revan Vs Nihilus)

Vader would stomp......

I'd rather see Malak vs Obi Wan Kenobi.

Robbie Lobster The clone or the original?

In his physical prime, Revenge of the Sith Kenobi.

Robbie Lobster That would be a cool match along with my own! i hope Jensaarai makes a video of this and your match if he has the time.

If I can find the time on my own hands, I'll see if I can conjure up Kenobi vs Malak. Thanks, I liked yours as well.

Wish granted.

The Revenge of th Sith audiobook pronounces it as "Va-pad." I know it's also spoken in the Shatterpoint book but I forget how it's pronounced there.

Antoine Bandele Well that's just how I pronounced it. Until now, I never heard it pronounced.

+Douglas Tarbox a fresh Malgus of that time vs fresh Cen would be a curb stomp for Cen malgus gets better later

+ShadowJedi ...This is so lol worthy I can't even describe....

Why is it lol worthy?

Vos's best feat is killing Sora *while amped* Ulic matched the best duelist of his day in Exar Kun. Vos has Basic TK and weak force lightning Ulic has a extremely powerful force shield and good TK. Vos is out classed.

I see. Thank you.

***** BTW, if Kao Cen Darach went by against Count Dooku, what might be the most likely outcome? Dooku believed that by studying a single form, he could actually outclass a battlemaster. What do you think?

***** would you mind doing kit fisto vs plo koon? I thought they might be a good mash up. Big fan of your videos keep doing what your doing.

2THOLMES what does btw mean

By the way

Disney shifted EVERYTHING, aside from the Movies, their novelizations and the Clone Wars series as canon. Everything else is marked as "Legends" in the eyes of Disney. Everything going forward will go through the Story Group. The first thing that is being added to the main canon is the Son of Dathomir comic books series which was supposed to be a part of the sixth season of the Clone Wars series. After that they are releasing these books in the "main canon": www.starwars.com/news/disney-publishing-worldwide-and-random-house-announce-relaunch-of-star-wars-adult-fiction-line

So the Clone Wars Cartoon Network stuff (albiet lovely to some, ungodly to others) is canon? Just checking because if that's the case... TECHNICALLY Republic Commandos are canon because I recall "Boss" making a minor appearance. Anyways thanks for the info, didn't want to ask Reddit because well... it's fucking reddit. Hopefully the writers took notes on what the original set of authors did in terms of forging decent lore.

Atomic Rebellion You can read more about it here: starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.html Or watch their video here: The Star Wars Expanded Universe: Past, Present, and Future

You are correct, but if we stick to that logic there's no need to continue this series

That's like saying the Sam Raimi Spiderman movies are "invalid" because of the newer movies. If people enjoy the books,comics etc then they're as valid as ever. Just set in a different continuity.

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*why do you think form 6 gets a bad rap* Maybe because it has nothing to bank itself on like most other forms Shii Cho is simple, but can become random and unpredictable Makashi has elegance and fluidity Soresu has a near impenetrable defence Ataru has acrobatics and agresstion Djem So has brute force Juyo has unpredictable and relentless offense and is the most dangerous form Niman doesn't really specialize in anything, its a jack of all trades, a master of none form. It got the name diplomat's form, since it let students focus on other areas while only needing to practice with the saber only so often. But the form backs itself up by incorporating force attacks in its sequences to compensate for this relaxed focus on blade work My guess is that its not really something attractive to the combat specialists. I believe I heard once before, that most forms take about 2 to 3 years to "master", where as Niman takes at least 10 years to do the same. You could study two forms and take them to a higher level of mastery. Niman isn't a useless form, but I think its not as attractive to those who wish to specialize in combat when they have more dedicated combat oriented forms like Ataru, Djem So, and so on

***** If someone at Lucasfilm told you the moon was made of cheese, would you believe it? Exar Kun and Kao Cen Darach are clearly warriors, but let's just stick our heads in the sand and pretend they use the diplomat's form. If you're looking for a Niman poster boy who actually fits the form's description, I suggest Odan-Urr. In fact I think he probably invented the style. He was a diplomat and scholar, not a warrior; committed to moderation in all things; knew the basics of lightsaber combat but was by no means an expert with a blade. None of this applies to Kun or Darach, but Niman fits Odan-Urr like a glove.

***** I agree that Niman likely does need to be redeemed, and yes it has gotten a bad rep. But I have to ask, purely on the level of saber to saber combat, which of these sounds like a more practical for a Jedi Guardian or even a Sith Warrior? Niman taken to about Exar Kun's level? Or Djem So backed up with Ataru to overcome the limited mobility, and Soresu to reinforce the user's defenses? Don't get me wrong, I am not denying that Kun was a great swordmaster. And Kao fended off both two powerful Sith at once. But I think that while Niman is an effective form, I also think you could probably have a more reliable combat style by mixing a couple of forms that can compliment each other. In my opinion, Niman is probably best studied to improve one's ability to include Force attacks into one's lightsaber sequences, or if you wish to study a Jar Kai variant of a form.

***** Your timeline has been a great influence on me. :) I still think Niman is the Jedi redshirt form. Use it if you're not important to the plot and will die quickly. However, this could be because teaching of Niman had degenerated during the thousand years of peace leading up to the movie era. It became the "easy" form during a period when basic competence with a lightsaber was widely seen to be sufficient.

***** I guess when ya get right down to it, the purpose it was designed for is ultimately what is holding it back. It was a form designed to keep things in moderation and to let scholars maintain a reasonable level of swords skill, while they devoted the majority of their time into other practices, such as Force abilities, diplomacy, and so on. I guess its also why you mainly see Niman paired with a more conventional form, like Ataru Yes, in the hands of a true master, such as Kun or even Derach here, it can become a powerful weapon to behold. Hell, Exar Kun's track record speaks for itself and as you detailed in the video, Derach was pretty impressive against Malgus and his master. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Darth Krayt a Niman master? I don't deny that Niman is an effective form, but personally, I think its a bit more practical to have a proven method you can rely on in most situations, like what masters like Dooku, Windu, Kenobi, and even Darth Bane do. Granted, I agree it is good to have more than just one option to use in combat