Jerry Marotta On Why He Stopped Playing with Peter Gabriel

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"I remained loyal to Peter, he didn't remain loyal to me." Jerry Marotta
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@helgar791 4 жыл бұрын

Turn you phone off during interviews. It belittles the interview and is disrespectful to whoever you're interviewing.

@en3970 3 жыл бұрын

Jerry plays with Peter, Peter plays with Manu, Jerry builds a bombfire....

@bradharrah3339 3 жыл бұрын

Peter sings with Kate, Peter sing with Sinead. Both parts sang by Paula, now his daughter's in the game. In Games without frontiers...

@slackumjackum 3 жыл бұрын

...war without tears

@Narpets2112 3 жыл бұрын

lol

@johnnicholson8345 2 жыл бұрын

bonfire

@RyanKwilosz 2 жыл бұрын

*bonfire

@budgetguitaristcom 2 жыл бұрын

Peter is the artist. He can play with whomever he wants. To me, Manu's playing was an upgrade and I'm glad for the switch. That's just my opinion.

@Siraj75 23 күн бұрын

I concur!

@robertnobody 4 жыл бұрын

I think that is the first time I saw someone being interviewed "yawn" while listening to a question being asked...lol.

@jamesw.5855 3 жыл бұрын

And listening to the interviewer`s ding go off as he`s getting text messages.

@joeblow2069 2 жыл бұрын

I love his style of drumming. A hard heavy hand with soul and a really good sense for what the song needed. For PG to have him play without cymbals in albums 3 and 4 was really unique.

@springy-2112 4 жыл бұрын

Peter Gabriel signed the cheques . A solo artist with supporting musicians. I love the JM drums but I also love all the musicians on all the albums.. You're a gigging musician roll with it and embrace the next gig. Alternatively write songs and get your own band together with your name on the cheques ! Peace and love 👍🏻☮❤

@tw364 2 жыл бұрын

Springy what would you know stay in your lane!

@simonhusseymusic 4 жыл бұрын

Strangely the best tracks for me on ‘Melt’, Phil Collins played. ‘So’ was a big directional change with a new influential producer. I hear a touch of resentment here and I love Jerry’s playing but ‘Peter Gabriel’ is a solo act not a band. This happens a lot as everyone recounts history.

@RodrigoPalmieriMusic 4 жыл бұрын

I have to agree. For someone who still makes money off Peter's music, Jerry comes across as ungrateful here. Also sounds like he has a bit of problem with Peter choosing "ethnically diverse" musicians.

@jbr2991 4 жыл бұрын

I agree. When Peter and Phil collaborate, it becomes magic.

@mirzadzomba9852 4 жыл бұрын

That is right. Marotta seems to forget that he was not the member of a band there. He was a salaried musician hired to support a solo act. They may have been like a family, but they have never been a band.

@nimrodery 4 жыл бұрын

When the same players are in the band for decades, and Gabriel's the kind of producer who mostly just lets people play what they want, "Peter Gabriel" is a solo act _and_ a band. It's like a family where one member has firing privileges.

@silverlight2004db 4 жыл бұрын

@@RodrigoPalmieriMusic sounds like he has a problem with 'ethnically diverse musicians'? what conversation are you listening to??...he was merely conjecturing on why he was replaced in the band because he didn't feel that the reason he was given was completely genuine...

@maxmery_drums 4 жыл бұрын

I love Jerry he's the man, but not no one could of played sledgehammer as funky as Manu, nor come up with the groove for in your eyes like him. Manu deserves props as well.

@flexiblestrategist9922 4 жыл бұрын

You don't know what you're talking about; and your grammar is the worst.

@frankybroughtoniv8465 4 жыл бұрын

Thats right

@regaltip8A 4 жыл бұрын

Correct and Manu heard Sledgehammer ONCE then what you hear on the album is his first interpretation. PG wanted him to do it again and Manu said "why???? You wanted my interpretation and I just did it". Now that takes balls. True story.

@jukesjointOG 4 жыл бұрын

The Legend Propagation is strong with this one!

@RoverT65536 4 жыл бұрын

Randy A. yep and on Robby Robinson’s Somewhere Down A Crazy River.

@karlboman 4 жыл бұрын

Dude, it's 35-40 years ago. Let it go. Bitterness doesn't suit anyone.

@Mukundanghri 4 жыл бұрын

Well done John! Interesting interview. I was not expecting to learn what I did.

@blairhelsing630 4 жыл бұрын

Jerry I saw you with Peter on the "Plays Live" tour at the San Jose Civic Auditorium. Such an inspiring night of musical power especially from you and Tony. I'll never forget that night.

@stephenlennartz3466 3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes ... you just need a change. I was in the same duo for nearly 20 years. Changed things up about three years ago. THE BEST move I've ever made. So many new doors opened up musically! Loving it.

@paulrevelli 4 жыл бұрын

Better to have been let go from the Peter Gabriel gig than to not have ever had it all, if you ask me. I'd kill for a resume like Jerry's. Or his brother's, for that matter. They are both world class, and have a feel unto themselves. It's a little like the common scenario whereby an artist will go with session musicians when making a new record as opposed to using their road musicians. You'd think the road band would have the material and the work ethic of their employer down pat and could knock it out of the park in the studio. Yet, when it comes to recording they (or their producer) prefer different players. Granted, there are exceptions. Dylan seems to like his road band for the studio lately, and Elton John was never without his touring band for many of the earlier albums. My point is, there are some things that session players do not have control of other than doing their best and being gracious until the next gig comes along.

@Emlizardo 4 жыл бұрын

Would like to see an interview with Jerry on why things didn't work out with King Crimson

@shonfromdachi 4 жыл бұрын

He describes personal playing style to a tee!!! A person has their signature when playing. My ex husband, who is a guitarist was the type of player that always could fit his style of play over the landscape of the person he was playing with. True experience comes from the different artist that you get an opportunity to play with. Thank you for the interview!! 💯🙋🏾‍♀️👏🏾👍🏾

@ethelip5239 4 жыл бұрын

Peter’s band & sound change makes perfect sense. Why was Jerry so ‘loyal’ to Peter, if he enjoyed playing with H&O more & they wanted to commit to him?..

@cuzzindave 4 жыл бұрын

Because Hall and Oates weren't that committed to him. They liked him fine and they liked his playing, but once they had Mickey Curry they didn't go looking back for Jerry. And Daryl was not going to rename the band for him. Daryl could barely deal with sharing bill with JOHN in those days. Daryl was being told he was a star meant to be a solo act. He wasn't looking to go for a billing with a session drummer, Hall, Oates and Marotta! 😂

@SmashedBottleMan 4 жыл бұрын

I've been following PG's solo career since 1977 and loved Jerry's drumming beginning with Scratch. I even saw the Scratch tour. But then Manu came along and I loved him too. I'm a music nerd (as are many of us in this thread, I"m sure). I read liner notes, get to know musicians, which albums they play on, etc., and even become a "fan" of many of them as session players. But, in the end, I'm a fan of the solo artist - in this case Peter - and whom he chooses is his musical prerogative. Ironically, Manu Katche was Sting's drummer beginning with ...Nothing Like The Sun (Sting's second release), played on the follow-up (The Soul Cages), left for a period of time, and then came back in later years. Vinnie Colaiuta "replaced" him in the interim...and since then I've always felt Vinnie was the better fit, not Manu. Anyway, musicians come and go, artists have different needs, and we all have different tastes.

@HrSamstag 3 жыл бұрын

Omar Hakim was Sting’s drummer beginning with (as a “solo” artist). You’re welcome.

@vbassone 2 жыл бұрын

He said Sting’s “second release.” You’re welcome.

@pascale_eagles Жыл бұрын

Nope Manu started his international career with Peter.

@BeesWaxMinder Жыл бұрын

Well Said

@MrMac1138 Жыл бұрын

@@pascale_eagles He didn't day otherwise. He said he started drumming with Sting after his second solo album in 1987 and I think he toured with PG and then toured with Sting. Not sure who he toured with when Growing Up was going on or if he took a break. As for Jerry, he worked on So but Manu was someone he worked with very early on those recordings - so I think there was a preference there. By the time Us happened, Jerry was working with the Indigo Girls.

@saintjames7387 3 жыл бұрын

with all due respect to marotta, manu katche is an unbelievable drummer...

@Bix12 4 жыл бұрын

Here's something i discovered....for a super creative person, sometimes someone's personality is a better fit than someone else's personality might be, and shocker, that can change over time. This does not mean he is an ogre. Grow up. Also, I've bought Peter Gabriel records...I've never bought Peter Gabriel's Band records.

@darrenelliottfrancis 4 жыл бұрын

They were doing all sorts to get the drums right on So. JM played Red Rain yet that opening iconic hi-hat is played not by MK but Stewart Copeland. In the classic albums doc Lanois basically said JM couldn’t shuffle - I find that hard to believe knowing what I know of JM’s body of work. It ‘looks’ personal when Lanois talks about JM in that doc - who knows. Everyone on that So album is wonderful in my eyes. I love the early JM Gabriel stuff, I also love MK, and Copeland is my childhood fav drummer!

@andrewkarp5067 4 жыл бұрын

Darren Francis Of course Marotta can shuffle. You can’t become a professional drummer without being able to shuffle well. Orleans songs had plenty of shuffles... But shuffles can be played dozens of ways. Lanois seems to have an affinity for New Orleans musicians, and the drummers he often uses are guys like Brian Blade, who come from the area. I suspect that what Lanois meant was that he wanted a specific feel in the shuffle grooves, and JM wasn’t providing him with with the right kind of “special sauce” for his ears. He just chose an unfortunate way to express it.

@groovekingmuzz2699 4 жыл бұрын

Couldn't shuffle?I call Bull Shit...

@rael2099 4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunate that Marotta sees it this way about Peter. He lasted a good run with him, and knowing geniuses like Bowie and Zappa, your job with them was not granted at all. In fact, working with creative geniuses could be as well always one ticket deal, so to speak.

@markyexley9440 4 жыл бұрын

Listening to him looks like PG did the right thing in ditching. Collins and Padgham created the signature sound in those recordings.

@JasMiller 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed this John. I met Jerry at NAMM one year when he had a booth showing his lamps made using the same stretched “skins” he used to make his drums. Real friendly & affable guy. I play Chapman stick too, so we were talking a bit of maybe doing some recording. Love his R&B feel. Perfect for so many ensembles.

@paulovajao 4 жыл бұрын

Jerry's drumming is absolutely fantastic!!!

@smabass2913 4 жыл бұрын

Jerry was VERY GOOD- but for me, I love the free flowing, effortless fills of Manu Katche's DRUMS on Peter Gabriel's songs- ESPECIALLY LIVE! After watching Manu Katche using a "throne" with a BACK, I tried it and never again will I play sitting on a BACK-BREAKING stool ! Too bad Phil Collins didn't figure that out, he might still be able to PLAY ! 🥁

@scottyg5403 3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I'll never go back to a regular throne!

@jrosner6123 4 жыл бұрын

The combo of Marotta and Levin was the beefiest Gabriel ever had, imo.

@virgil5650 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@k.thompson8549 3 жыл бұрын

Also check them out on Johnny Warman's two Rocket albums "Walking Into Mirrors" and "From The Jungle To The New Horizons" 1981/82, if you haven't already :).

@jamesw.5855 3 жыл бұрын

Gabriel`s best work is post-Marotta. And last I checked, Tony Levin was still PG`s bassist. Ged Lynch is better than all the other guys mentioned.

@nealdavis2878 3 жыл бұрын

No question. I’m an amateur drummer. I can appreciate Manu but he’s too busy and stylistically I think Marotta is a much better fit. Ultimately it’s just a taste thing but I don’t like busy drummers (for same reason I don’t like DMB’s drummer). Oh yeah, and when I started drumming in the mid 80s guess who answered my call and talked to me about drumming? Jerry Marotta. That is FIRST CLASS

@Reprodestruxion 4 жыл бұрын

He went onto play drums with David Sylvian and Robert Fripp though

@salfont 4 жыл бұрын

Sour grapes to be sure. It's totally Peter Gabriel's prerogative to change drummers. Jerry works for Peter not the other way around. Check your ego Mr. Marotta...

@hdaviator9181 4 жыл бұрын

If your boss fires you, don't you wanna know why?

@regaltip8A 4 жыл бұрын

After watching Jerry's attitude I can see easily how PG got fed up.

@funkboylazar 3 жыл бұрын

@@regaltip8A So much bitching, this is why I have literally no respect for these self-absorbed douchebags.

@fillgollinsdergroarticheme8442 3 жыл бұрын

yes, Phil Collins was Genesis' 4th drummer. ^^

@oblomurg 3 жыл бұрын

I still can appreciate the reasoning behind these band changes, I had sort of forgotten there was a conceptual/stylistic change after Gabriel III.

@stub2022 4 жыл бұрын

Hmm. The Hall and Oates offering to change their name bit....yeah, I'd have to see some corroboration before I believed that the biggest-selling duo of all time wanted to change their name to keep a drummer.

@JW-xd2xr 3 жыл бұрын

ya he lost me when he said that

@sex6cult9revolution 3 жыл бұрын

Daryl probably just said that so he would stay. I'm sure they were going to pay him well, but give him an equal third? I kinda doubt that would have ever happened.

@johnnicholson8345 2 жыл бұрын

Jerry seems to be awfully confused about the difference between performance and mechanical royalties.

@glenesis 4 жыл бұрын

Wow man, this is a deep interview. Thanks for sharing!

@saintjames7387 3 жыл бұрын

love how candid jerry is being here. a great musician and a stand up guy.

@floodgatestudios1825 8 ай бұрын

Yeah. He's throwing shade at Peter

@AlexCBrandon 4 жыл бұрын

Very cool info. Thanks for sharing. Each and every name stands out in those CD liner notes and Jerry's name is as prominent to me as anyone who came before or since.

@henrygross7802 4 жыл бұрын

I haven’t seen Jerry in years but he is a spectacular, grooving, pocket owning musician/ magician. I get that the solo artist wants to make changes but when someone devotes themselves to your musical journey and passes on great opportunities it’s like you shook their hand. And that has to be worth everything or else at the end of the day who are you and what have you got? So for what my two cents is worth Jerry has every right to feel he’s been treated badly. Loyalty is the foundation of all great things. Jerry tests positive for it. I’m with him! No doubt he’ll be out there with other major artists again... if the live performing business ever comes back! Here’s hoping. PS. Love you Jerry! H

@georgebarry8640 4 жыл бұрын

Great point. He is totally entitled to his viewpoint. It's gotta hurt. And what was PG to do? If he felt he was going to go into a creative turn and do it without authenticity...well that's HIS POV. None is right, or wrong..I think. Sometimes things just don't reconcile in any easy way. btw: if you wrote and recorded "Shannon"..major props to you. Great song, all around. And I know you did that and so much more, too.

@aniskywalker93 4 жыл бұрын

Peter Gabriel is a solo artist, I'm sorry for Jerry but that's the truth.

@johnnyhartley4330 3 жыл бұрын

The logic seems to be, "You can't replace me, I'm the drummer". And that attitude may well be why he was replaced.

@The_ScapeGoat 2 жыл бұрын

The attitude seems to be "I was fired because a racist journalist criticized PG for being white and playing with white guys." I'd be pissed for being fired for having the wrong skin color too.

@JeansWebbTv Жыл бұрын

I just watched Rick Beato's fresh interview with Daniel Lanois. They talked about Sledgehammer, and Lanois told Beato that he (Lanois) tried many drummers to get the shuffle he wanted on the song - until he found Katche.

@wjcalderonwc 2 жыл бұрын

Jerry made the quintessential savage and uncompromising iconic beats. They're still recognizable on their own. "Security" is the proof. A lot of soul was lost without him, IMHO

@O_Towne_Bear Жыл бұрын

Jerry Marotta is an underappreciated drummer. He needs to be in more conversations when discussing "Best Drummers".

@EphemeralProductions Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Especially considering the HUNDREDS of famous recordings he’s been on!!!

@billyz5088 4 жыл бұрын

And then also on the “So” record - we have the wild card drummer - Stewart Copeland - playing on the track “Big Time”. It was another hit from that great record - but often overshadowed by 'Sledgehammer' - 'Red Rain' and 'In Your Eyes' -- but it was about the funkiest (thanks also to Levin & Marotta on bass) - and hardest hitting track on the whole record.

@joeyday576 4 жыл бұрын

Didn't Stewart play of Red Rain, as well?

@aka.Mr.French 4 жыл бұрын

@@joeyday576 -- per the album credits, Copland played just hi-hat; Jerry played the rest.

@matthewpaluch777 4 жыл бұрын

Stewart Copeland "Lead Hihat" on RED RAIN and that was it.

@bradharrah3339 3 жыл бұрын

@@joeyday576 Did Copeland do more than the intro hi-hat (which is classic)?

@davidgerard4369 Жыл бұрын

Wow, Jerry......we are so on the same page. I was just listening to tracks from Gabriel's latest, i/o, and felt compelled to comment. I thought that, musically-speaking, there was waaaaaay too much going on - I realize the rubicon was crossed by the time "So" came out, but really - I think it's a shame that he is allowing 'industry standard' to dictate his art in 2023. I actually pleaded for him to go back to the days of his 'trilogy', and think "less is more." Instead, what I heard was "more is more" and after awhile, it just became too pat for me to feel engaged. Your resumé speaks for itself, and I always appreciate drummers who choose the economy of rhythmic language over needing to infiltrate every nook and cranny of a tune. Which I why I appreciate you, Cobham, Bruford, and even STP's Eric Kretz, for providing nuance where others get bombastic. 👍

@mauroangelantoni6889 4 жыл бұрын

With all respect of Jerry, he's been replace with Manu Katché not just a random drummer.Jerry c'mon we love you, but he's Manu Katché!!

@JoeyBrunoMusicArchives 4 жыл бұрын

Hi John, I was wondering if you ever got around to asking Jerry about the incredible your he did with Todd Rundgren, I believe it was around 2006 and was called the "Power Trio" tour, just Todd, Jerry and Tony Levin. I had not seen that your(although I have seen Todd/Utopia 24 times in concert) but I heard it was incredible. while I'm on the subject......how about a Todd Rundgren interview ? talk about an artist with quite a distinguished career ! lots of cool stories there, guaranteed. and also he's got a great sense of humor !! how 'bout it ?

@ericredlefsen5554 4 жыл бұрын

I saw the Power Trio tour here in NYC and it was Trey Sabatelli on drums. Could you be getting your Italians mixed up? Or maybe different guys on different legs of the tour?

@JohnHancotte 2 жыл бұрын

I sawTodd with Tony Levin in the band, but he also had Jesse and Prairie, no keys. In Atlanta at the old Roxy. Not sure of the year. Kasim was sorely missed, I hate to say, as I am as big of a TLev fan as one could be.

@leemdynamo 4 жыл бұрын

This is the most intelligent thread I've seen on youtube. I only read the most recent comments but still impressive.

@kozkoz7776 3 жыл бұрын

Finally someone like you comes along and gives ROCKNROLL some absolute clarity on my favourite ROCK ICONS. Been to many concerts back in the day but never got to see LED ZEP had ticket in hand and Jon Bonam left for STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN

@mkndrwd 4 жыл бұрын

No, he’s not bitter at all.

@TheChristOfRockNRoll 4 жыл бұрын

Not bitter? Calling PG "a repressed Englishman" gave it away...it's not even a subtle dig.....that is "bitter".

@aka.Mr.French 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheChristOfRockNRoll -- I think Mark N. forgot to use the Sarcasm Font. ;)

@Squirrelconga 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheChristOfRockNRoll I think that was sarcasm. 🤣

@IvanLendl87 4 жыл бұрын

Mark Ndrwd Your (sarcastic) comment doesn't make any sense. Jerry never says anything like 'I'm not bitter though'. He doesn't say anything along those lines. He makes it pretty darn clear that he's pissed about how Peter replaced him despite his being loyal to Peter. He says he feels it was really wrong what Peter did to him. He's pissed off about it and disappointed in Peter and he says exactly that.

@Bix12 4 жыл бұрын

@@IvanLendl87 and airing his hurt feelings to the world while also trying to demonize Peter. Someone needs to grow up.

@groovekingmuzz2699 4 жыл бұрын

Jerry proves that no gig is ever safe...Even at that level,all the gigs he has graced,records he has blessed with his playing,the business end of things will always come first..And you can never really know what is in someones head..Manu loved Porcaro and wanted to do an album with him..So they did Dire Straits,but it's funny because JM and Jeff Porcaro are closer to me in style than Katche....Also i remember seeing Gabriel using Stings band for a while..Well,the rhythm section of Darryl Jones and Omar Hakim..Omar to me can lay back and play a pocket all day or get busy..So you have choices of Manu Katche...Omar Hakim....Or Jerry Marotta....Wow,what a shitty way to find yourself...And by the way,JM and his drumming on "Plays Live" is so tasty and in the pocket..BUT,listen close and you will hear more going on..Ghost strokes,and accenting are out of this world...Love Ya Jerry,A very big fan from Cleveland......

@slobbowitz 4 жыл бұрын

Jerry’s resume is pretty impressive. I just found out today he was the guy on Tears for Fears Songs from the Big Chair.... as well as Spike by Elvis Costello, Press To Play by McCartney, Hall and Oates, Sarah McLoughlin’s big record, Indigo Girls, John Mayer’s first, 10 Maniacs live record, Orleans and the best records by Gabriel... Respect! I had the pleasure of hanging with him while tracking my new record at his studio in NY. He’s a pretty humble guy. He came around each day and listened, asking about the tunes and just giving us positive feedback. He LOVED my drummer and of course the pressure was on while tracking and Jerry is sitting in the control room! Being that me and my band mates are HUGE Gabriel fans we were pumped that he was digging our tunes! He’s just a regular guy with a gift and no “rock star” pretension about him to be honest...

@djpekky 4 жыл бұрын

Let me preface my comments. -I love Peter Gabriel. I am probably one of his biggest fans. -I think both Jerry and Manu are excellent drummers who both brought different things to the table. -I am not one of those who think Peter Gabriel was good up until Security and sold out with So, even if he went more commercial and I find So overrated. -Peter has inspired my commitment to anti-racism. -I think the current band plays his older songs really well. HOWEVER: I am also not blind to the fact that PG is a human with flaws and I do believe that he can be really cold-hearted if you give him a chance. A similar thing happened when he broke up with Sinead O'Connor. -I also think Jerry comes out as bitter here and said a bunch of things like "he got a black drummer; he got a female singer" didn't sound well.

@bradharrah3339 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a very big fan of Sinead, but dating her might not have been easy. I suspect much of it could have been a love of her talent. She has suggested he was a bit of a father figure...

@tw364 2 жыл бұрын

Tired of the woke crap. I see what he’s saying.

@natashanyxx9486 Жыл бұрын

💯. Bitter, party of one!

@onomatopoeidia Жыл бұрын

loved his playing. Bombastic AND musical. PG Live has a knockout drum sound and great playing. Sensational dude.

@thomasmarinovich2496 2 жыл бұрын

I made it a point to see "Security Project" at Bearsville theatre,theater, 2015 and although no one can replace Gabriel's vocal live,they did a really good job...it was as close to seeing Gabriel playing the old stuff as I think your gonna get...then at the end jerry plays drums and sings..."Back in NYC"-and he blew me away...guys a world class drummer

@joeblow2069 2 жыл бұрын

Melt and Security are 2 of the best albums ever made.

@nathanthomas5133 4 жыл бұрын

PG is a solo artist. Eccentric solo artists are capricious & change personnel on a whim as they follow their muse - how many ‘loyal’ band members did David Bowie work his way through every time he changed direction.

@XHuntinatorX 4 жыл бұрын

Nathan Thomas ... True.

@paul10018 4 жыл бұрын

Bowie: "Change the band, change the sound." He didn't want to be Jagger, tethered to the same players forever. Same here with PG.

@frankybroughtoniv8465 4 жыл бұрын

GOOD POINT

@Reprodestruxion 4 жыл бұрын

Would love to hear Mick Robson’s guitar on I know it’s going to happen one day though

@hourshandhacker4194 4 жыл бұрын

@@paul10018 he forgot to change Tony Levin

@Clayphish 3 жыл бұрын

What’s up with the black drummer comment? Manu is a very unique and energetic drummer, hence why he has been hired to play for many other artists. Not unlike like how Vinnie Colaiuta. Saying PG hired him because of his skin colour is very good reason why it was a good forJerry to be let go when he was.

@fogzax 4 жыл бұрын

It's interesting because after So I kinda lost interest - for me albums 3 and 4 are the pinnacle of Peter Gabriel and I always loved the drumming so much on both albums

@mootbooxle 4 жыл бұрын

100% yes

@hermitthefrog8951 2 жыл бұрын

Marotta vs Katche? Different styles for different times. When you're hired to do a job, the boss is in charge. Love them both.

@stormbringer67 3 жыл бұрын

As a amateur musician, played in a few bands, i can say that there is always some resentment when you get fired or when you want to change things and have to fire a bandmate. That's just the way it goes. It's not fun, but it is what it is. Just how when you are a new bandmember and like everything and every other member and when time goes by you start to get annoyed over things. Or over habits or whatever. Loyalty doesn't really exist in bands if you ask me. Peter Gabriel wanted to do things different, and since he was (is) the band leader, he gets to do how he pleases. Simple as that.

@mattgreen5720 2 жыл бұрын

So PG got Manu in because of his skin tone - not because of his unique, generational talent? How insulting. Jerry is a great player, Manu is too. Don't cheapen it with 'easy excuse' colour issues. Shame on you Mr Marotta.

@jeffreywilliams2240 4 жыл бұрын

Every artist changes. The songs I play today are completely different from the songs I played in my youth. I still play with the same bunch of guys and girls and yes some of them have changed too.

@paulcochrane1028 4 жыл бұрын

Love Jerry’s playing....he doesn’t come out well in this. Peter Gabriel May just have been gentle in how he communicated why he wanted a different drummer. Saying “he got a black drummer”, “a girl” and a “black keyboard player”...not a great look. A great question would have been “Do you think Manu Katché is not very good.”

@TheEWFX29 4 жыл бұрын

I think he was saying that the question Peter got on the radio show was the influence for the change then an actual musical direction change. The band was playing that type of music already so obviously the musicians could play it. I'm sure it has multiple reasons but in his mind that was why the change happened. Who knows the answer besides Peter but if that's how Jerry feels that's gonna be how he explains it. A band break up doesn't always go well and like any relationship there are two sides of the story, this is simply Jerry's side.

@bryede 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheEWFX29 Yeah, we have to tiptoe around what we want to say nowadays and I think he wants to be direct but knows he can't. What I took from it was that there was an element of political correctness in Peter's decision.

@doomprogger6345 4 жыл бұрын

@@bryede Yep, i think so too. Love Peter´s work, but he was PC before PC even got invented...

@marcpicaud3002 4 жыл бұрын

@@doomprogger6345 Wtf does that even mean

@doomprogger6345 4 жыл бұрын

@@marcpicaud3002 It means that he was politically correct before it became a standard .

@patrickmoreau7592 4 жыл бұрын

Great interview What a hidden gem

@IdvbI 2 жыл бұрын

Jaundiced... Manu Katché is one of the best drummers there are and I have news to Jerry, yes he plays amazingly well all over the place like he can't. So don't give us that bull that was because of his skin color

@georgetoomey1191 4 жыл бұрын

Great band 👍 🎶 thanks for the memory's !

@snavs420 4 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see him and Larry Fast play with Peter Gabriel again.

@peteshallcross787 9 ай бұрын

Nice interview. I don't remember who was drumming but I did see Gabriel in '86. Saw Genesis too, in '76 but my 2 all-time fav drummers I've see live are Antonio Sanchez (w Pat Metheny in 2017) and Carl Palmer (ELP '77). What's your fav live drummer?

@tenbrookroadmusic 8 ай бұрын

I always loved Jerry's playing on every project, but I hate hearing players cry and dish dirt because something ended. Come on Jerry you're a professional, this crap happens with the best of them.Art is a rocky terrain. Jerry is a great drummer, Peter is a freakin creative genius.

@jamesconraadtucker 2 жыл бұрын

JMHO, when Jerry Marotta left, the bottom dropped out of Peter Gabriel.'s band. The groove, the rhythmic attitude, etc. Thanks for sharing. Be well Jerry!

@ajdc88 4 жыл бұрын

great clip

@MFDReesha 3 жыл бұрын

Jerry, Tony, Larry and Peter were able to make the music dark and hounting. Something I loved and never experienced after :(

@tristantheuerkorn5124 2 жыл бұрын

You're right in a way! But 'So' has it's own darkness.

@johnwilliams4100 Жыл бұрын

Awesome interview I noticed a difference when he left Peter or when you know. Security was something other worldly in terms of percussion and I feel Jerry helps and cares

@zachleary108 4 жыл бұрын

Fascinating insight into the evolution of PG and how personalities work within rock outfits. (Note: the phones beeping are kinda distracting....101, no?)

@Justin_Kipper 4 жыл бұрын

For sure. Turn off the fone when making a video. I'm sure a friend's lastest post on FB is important, and it might have do with lunch, but c'mon.

@promitra9356 4 жыл бұрын

JM still sounds bitter after so many years. PG found out the hard way from his time with Genesis that ego and command get in the way of artistic vision. Just by listening to JM, I can tell he is strong-willed despite the immense talent he has. I love JM's playing and it's very unique to the ears. Between Security and So, PG had to shed some of his "cult" perception and cast a wider net with his audience. Maybe he did want more diversity in his band, per JM's statement during the interview, because he was probably being criticized for being too white on stage while promoting world music. JM's career did not descend after his tenure with PG, so I'm not sure why he still sounds bitter about it.

@The_ScapeGoat 2 жыл бұрын

Yea, racists hate white people. They say white people aren't allowed to like certain kinds of music, art, and movies. Very creepy stuff.

@mr.brenman2132 Жыл бұрын

Being kicked out of a band because of your skin color is fucked up. Being kicked out because a journo influenced Peter is even worse. If your wife cheats on you you don't feel better about it after you find someone else.

@paolocimmino5648 4 жыл бұрын

Jerry is a great drummer but I guess Peter just wanted to renew his whole sound, especially on stage (as a matter of fact, the live sound improved starting with the SO tour). Nothing personal, I believe. What I don't really understand is the choice of Ged Lynch to replace Manu. Jerry would have done way better! In fact I was disappointed on hearing that heavy and cold drumming in the later years and I thought "why not Jerry Marotta?"

@doomprogger6345 4 жыл бұрын

Have to agree a 100%! I really don´t get why Ged Lynch is so heavily favoured by PG (on Lynch´s Website you can read a long praise from PG about Lynch´s drumming...). Marotta and Katchu both have a unique way of groovin´, but every time i listen to Lynch, i can´t stop shaking my head. And i don´t mean as you shake it to a great groove, but as you shake it in utter disbelief that this guy actually is able to play drums without the slightest hint of beeing able to groove.

@josephanthony392 4 жыл бұрын

Ged is a bit stiff. I think Manu moved on to playing jazz. Never know why Many didn't come back. Money would've been great.

@raygundesigns 4 жыл бұрын

You are right. Ged was as stiff as my hostel mattress.

@santibanks 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, never understood the high praises for Ged either. I think he butchered the live renditions of Signal to noise. He did a bit better in the 2007 summer tour were he actually took a set of concert toms with him too. But he never figured to use them for Signal to noise which was again a missed opportunity -_- Apart from that, I think he lacks a bit of finesse and groove.

@marshallross3373 4 жыл бұрын

Cool insights....yea...as a freelancer it's tough sometimes to make the best decision. I mean, playing with Peter for 10 years wasn't a bad decision, but maybe sticking with Hall and Oats would have yielded more cashola and satisfaction. I don't know. One could certainly have done a lot worse with a career in drumming. Jerry's awesome, no doubt about it. Seen him with Tony Levin, too, a few years back...Great show.

@lesimprosdulezardvert1342 Жыл бұрын

Jerry Marotta did a great drumming with Peter Gabriel, and he did too with the Sylvian & Fripp album "The first day"

@Orcinus1967 3 ай бұрын

A very frank discussion. Wonderful.

@rickmilam413 Жыл бұрын

I've seen Gabriel with Jerry and Manu. The Reality Tour with Manu was amazing - I do prefer his style, at least for that approach to the material. Jerry is excellent. I saw Jerry on the Security tour and he was great. (My brother was backstage and when Gabriel came running backstage so he could reappear on the other side of the stage. My little bro was swinging his hands back and forth and smacked Peter in the testicles. I was in the audience and the band was obviously going back through again, wondering what was going on (this is the concert that the early live album was taken from - with the exception of that one). Jerry seems a bit bitter.

@TheBircat 2 жыл бұрын

John, there's a little switch on the left side of your iPhone. If you flip that towards the back, it will stop the call and text alerts from interrupting your interviews.

@UCS0608 4 жыл бұрын

IMHO, I think that Jerry did an amazing job on the PG albums (as he did as well at the time for a.o. Joan Armatrading and Johhny Warman, to mention just two!) and though I love the work of Manu as well I do agree that (mostly due to his different sound!!) some of those songs from the earlier albums somehow live didn't have the power of Marotta. I've seen Peter play on many occasions, with the tour in 1980 as one of my favorites! But also the shows with Manu were awesome!!!!

@MWayne-zz1cr 2 жыл бұрын

This guy should be grateful he got to work with such major talent as PG and Hall and Oates, this interview sounds more like a venting, therapy session than anything.

@dinger7608 4 жыл бұрын

I have been waiting for this remarkable statement of his for decades. And things turn out to be the way I had supposed them to be. Now, Jerry needs a great new band project, with TL (and myself, haha).

@frippertonics6421 5 ай бұрын

Whose phone keeps going off?

@drvee1983 3 жыл бұрын

I've had to " let go " drummers in bands. It's not pleasant. PG was the captain of the ship, and determining their next destination. They are the base of the band sound, but that doesn't mean you have to keep it, or them. Manu Katché was a great change. " So " wouldn't have been the masterpiece it is without him. It should have gotten album of the year over Paul Simon's " Graceland ".

@arleco12 8 ай бұрын

I can understand Jerry's frustration, but Peter, as a solo artist, can change his artistic direction and crew whenever he feels like. And he doesn't own explanations to anyone.

@patrickr.452 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a drummer and Jerry was a huge influence on me early on, especially PG3 and Security. BUT, no one, and I mean NO ONE, could play Sledgehammer and In Your Eyes like Manu'. That whole album has his energy all over it. Jerry sounds like a bitter old man here, I would have hoped he would have been more gracious. PG could play with ANY f'ing drummer he wants to. He's a solo artist and solo artists collaborate with a variety of musicians. Don't give me that, "he wasn't loyal to me" crap, he was a hired gun, he should be thankful he got to play with PG at all! Peter knew what Jerry was capable of and he chose to go a different direction, end of story. Nothing personal. Worst of all, Jerry uses the interview to shit Manu's playing, saying he's "all over the place". Wow! Total disrespect. Lastly, he accuses Peter of getting a different drummer because of political correctness! REALLY?! That is one of the stupidest most outrageous things I have ever heard! Interestingly, after playing with Manu', Peter changed drummers again and played with Ged Lynch for the Growing Up tour. Ged is a much simpler, pocket oriented drummer, I think it's obvious now why Jerry didn't get a call back. Jerry has completely lost my respect.

@tw364 2 жыл бұрын

Patrick- but you’re nobody and he’s N iconic drummer you have no say. Step away you bar band hack.

@ER-me1ii 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I saw Jerry with him back in the day and remember all those years ago Jerry wasn’t all too happy about being let go. Maybe Peter did feel some pressure to make changes but really I don’t remember pc dictates forcing such changes. I really think Gabriel was reaching for a different sound. He went from no cymbals on 3 to all this trebly cymbal stuff and really was a big change in direction. Whatever the “truth” was in this interview he does not do himself any service sounding like a pissed off ex. Could’ve taken the high road. Didn’t.

@garyalbert569 Жыл бұрын

E.x,a.c.t.a.l.y.....but, Jerry is sweet too. Manu is de man.....

@CrochetNewsNetwork Жыл бұрын

This is going to sound weird but some Italians are excellent musicians but very strong willed and do not pick up on other peoples personality traits.

@mr.brenman2132 Жыл бұрын

@Patrick R. The political correctness sounds exactly the reason he was kicked out. How is it ridiculous?

@paulhaggerty9156 4 жыл бұрын

If an artist wants to change their paintbrushes or the colors they've been using for a time, why shouldn't they be able to? It's tough losing a great gig you love, but unless you're the one writing the music, what can I say? The drummer for Peter Gabriel isn't filling the arenas either.

@stiffrichard2816 4 жыл бұрын

Peter knew he had to mix it up for So and it worked beautifully, he got mad rich then he milked to death and faded off. He should have kept Marotta around for future things, not closed a door.

@kenmario6284 2 жыл бұрын

So, let me get this straight: Hall and Oates, at the peak of their success and name recognition, were going to change their name to keep Marotta? This smells like BS to me, and makes me not want to believe anything else he says.

@slapitman 4 жыл бұрын

Simple, Peter just outgrew (maybe always had done) Jerry and his Italian 20-year-old personality. Manu was and is a distinctly better drummer and I myself think Tony Levin gels with whomever he's next to. A true pro never badmouths any of his band members.

@Reprodestruxion 4 жыл бұрын

Blackdog yeah I’m disappointed in Jerry here

@santibanks 3 жыл бұрын

Wow that's lemon sour… What a resentment... Not really sure why the big ego, nor some of the other things he said. First, he kind of seems to hint that Peter Gabriel is some kind of band of which he was part of. He's not on the first record and Collins played on the 3rd album. It's not that he should have expected to be Gabriel's sole drummer. Gabriel actually started out with Collins and John Giblin as "his American band was too expensive" (as Collins recalls about the Intruder sessions). Second, not really buying into the "cultural appropriation" argument. He almost takes some kind of victimhood on him because he feels replaced by people of colour for ethnicity's sake. Peter's "ethnic" influence started on PG4 and he invited African musicians to play along with him. He also had the WOMAD thing going. Gabriel already worked with African musicians at that time and could have added them to the live line-up whenever he wanted. I'm pretty sure there are some odd gigs with some of them. And yes, the lineup changed over the years and it continued to do so till Peter's last tour. That happens when you are a solo artist and hire people to play on records and tours. Third, he IS still playing on SO, along with Manu and Stewart Copeland. It's not that he didn't participate on that album. And UP featured something like 6 drummers.

@pablosantander5739 4 жыл бұрын

It's the bittersweet destiny of the 'hired guns'. When Bowie left the spiders, he just keep with him Mick Rondon, Billy Joel was very close with his band till he changed all his musicians, etc. In the other hand we have the experience of Pat Mastelotto, from Mr Mister as session drummer of Xtc, David Sylvian, etc, til being an oficial member of King Crimson. I love the sound of mr Marotta, I followed his career as musician with other artists (even Frida of Abba) and his replies are more or less the same as other musicians of solo acts that they being left aside after a long time of collaborations with the same solist. Ps: I'm very fan of Sinergy discography and I prefer the Fast solo career than with Gabriel, for me is a plus, who gave a fantastic sound to the universe of Peter, before So.

@astrosjer822 4 жыл бұрын

Jerry was always a great drummer. Clearly some past issues still burn with him toward PG.

@Jaapkore 9 ай бұрын

For Me, there are 2 Peter Gabriel career or era periods. The one from the PG 1 Album until Birdy the movie Soundtrack album, the other Peter Gabriel career starts with So until now with the I/O album and Tour. I am a real fan from Peter Gabriel, I have seen him live many times and I can honestly say, he is one of the musicians that triggered the passion in Me to become the musician I am. For the Gabriel 2 career stages or eras, I feel in the first one although he was not that mature as a composer, he truly was the most experimental and spiritual Gabriel ever. Security is my favourite album in everything, the sound, the concept, the lyrics, the innovation of pre sampling and the deep spiritual meaning of the whole album. For the second stage or era from Gabriel's career, I love it, but somehow the experimentation was not primordial for him anymore or not that intense regarding innovation and learning from the world's folk music amazing treasures. I guess he found the formula he feels can express better and get close to people in a more straight and naked way. I prefer the first Peter Gabriel era, not because is better, but because for me personally, the search for personal, spiritual and artistic re-invention and evolution is intuitive and keeps one alive.

@danielokeefe5279 3 жыл бұрын

You’ve got to love JM. He tells it like it is. His next gig was with Paul McCartney. Not too shabby!

@slw59 4 жыл бұрын

I agree with Tony Banks when he said Peter's albums before 'So' are his most interesting.

@oliviergeoffroy9823 4 жыл бұрын

hell yes absolutly

@fortheloveofmusic860 4 жыл бұрын

As are the Genesis albums with Gabriel...

@1mbpdf33 4 жыл бұрын

Tony banks thinks Calling All Stations is good.

@Reprodestruxion 4 жыл бұрын

Growing up (remixed by Trent Reznor)

@kristopherloviska9042 4 жыл бұрын

"UP" is really strong.

@hourshandhacker4194 4 жыл бұрын

Relationship ended with Jerry, now Manu is my best friend

@renmichael7616 4 жыл бұрын

That's how some people are, different personalities in that business.

@totomesch1940 4 жыл бұрын

Bitter at missing out on the big money? Like most comments below, I agree with the view-point that Gabriel is a visionary, always looking for that left-field groove. It is well known that the 'Sledge' years was Gabriel's time enjoying the shallow fame-game, and his band mirrored that polished, commercial sound (although it was not to be known by PG that Sledge would become the commercial smash it did). I think that the addition of David Sancious (keyboards) & Manu Katché (drums) filled-out PG's sound and gave additional, rich layers to what had been a quite industrial, sparse format beforehand. I'm a fan of all eras of PG, there are not that many artists who've undertaken such a dramatic sonic journey that makes being a fan such a rewarding experience. Jerry should be grateful for his contribution to such a journey.

@garyvetere 4 жыл бұрын

Jerry Marotta and his brother are two of the greatest drummers alive today!!!!!!

@johnnicholson8345 2 жыл бұрын

uhhh. Not really but thanks for sharing your limited palette.

@EphemeralProductions Жыл бұрын

@@johnnicholson8345 that’s not a palette that’s an opinion. Which, in contrast to what you apparently think, others are allowed to have.

@itkojecockot Жыл бұрын

those early PG records are some of the top-tier Art Rock.... love some of his later work too, but that 70's stuff is wild

@jazzmanb445 4 жыл бұрын

He said it at the start ,he got told how to play I loved the massive almost jungle drum sound of those albums . People usually get pulled in when people hear them and think ,that's who I want on my album . Manu was everywhere for a time around then

@audiotomb 2 жыл бұрын

Manu was pretty much discovered by Peter in the public’s eye Then went on to play with many others

@godfreydaniel6278 4 жыл бұрын

Artists are by definition creative - right? The VERY best way to stifle creativity is to shackle it to any given parameter or set of parameters. Period. NO artist stays at the top of his or her game by staying the same, and part of not staying the same is changing creative partners over time. Period. Sometimes it's done with finesse and mutual respect - sometimes it's done in a fit of temper, or anywhere in between. Does this really need explanation?