Probably lets start with, hybe got minimal to do with seventeen's current success except pushing them more towards the western market. They did have some financial struggle early debut with stage equipments but that didn’t last very long. Woozi always had his own studio. They were one of the most well loved idols ever since debut, having entered the EBS lineup way before kpop blew up as much as it is rn. They never really struggled with popularity as they debut with a hit (adore u, mansae), got a hit the next year (pretty u, aju nice, boom boom), the next year again (don't wanna cry, clap), and the years after (oh my, home, thanks, etc). They literally never had a bad or any slump years, their popularity steadily and organically rises throughout the years. If you would watch some clips when they performed in ISAC back in 2017, you could see the massive crowd for svt. They were literally a mega group. Except they rarely promotes on the west before hybe so western fans would probably not realise that. Like looking at the ticket war in Asia, you could see their influence. They are also the japanese chart monster pre hybe, like if you were to ask any japanese im pretty sure the top 3 groups in japan would be, twice, bts and seventeen. However looking at current charts and current japanese trend, seventeen is like on an all time high in japan rn. The boys were already very very successful. Before hybe they were near million sellers with an ode, which was rare in kpop at that time. It was only expected that in heng:garae they would get the million seller title, and the years after. Literally the reason why hybe took on loans to acquire pledis was because of how seventeen is a cash making machine. Fans..never really meddled with promotions(?) like pledis actually does a really good job in promoting the boys. Like constant english subtitles, them featuring in almost all variety show that ever existed, them getting a lot of creative freedom over their discography, being the first kpop idol to have a concepted fullly subbed weekly youtube variety show (going seventeen) etc. Some of us do donate for ad projects but I'm pretty sure that happens with every kpop fandom there is, so its no sob story. Cmiiw, I probably missed some points.

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@@chunsun5042 great explanation... I've been following them since predebut, idk why the live chat using missinfo to create sob story..

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@@chunsun5042 hmmm I'm not sure about your top 3 in jpn, I'm pretty sure Treasure is in top 3, considering they are no1 4th gen on oricon chart and their massive just finished tour. 😁 Also, BigBang had the largest kpop concert crowd in jpn ever, but a few years back, maybe people stopped listening to them 😭

yeah I feel like Seventeen struggled the most financially while they were trainees but they were pretty successful since their debut and continue to get bigger every year

Yeah hybe has nothing to do with their success.

I saw them on Friday in Seattle🧡my 22 yr old has been a Carat since debut.

Couldn’t say it any better.

Hybe took out a loan to buy Pledis and Seventeen alone made more operating profit than a lot of companies did as a whole in 2020 (including YGE). they're very successful but it's not due to Hybe at all

It is definitely in our plans for when he next has a Seventeen stream!

I have been following Seventeen since predebut back when they were just babies in the green basement and yes I agree with you there was a lot of misinformation being said. But I have come to get used to it cause people stan a group for a year or so and then think they know everything but how could they when they weren't their from the start of the journey until presently. The only way you could know is if you did a deep dive and research and even then if you weren't there things will be missed out on or overlooked.

I have been following Seventeen since predebut back when they were just babies in the green basement and yes I agree with you there was a lot of misinformation being said. But I have come to get used to it cause people stan a group for a year or so and then think they know everything but how could they when they weren't their from the start of the journey until presently. The only way you could know is if you did a deep dive and research and even then if you weren't there things will be missed out on or overlooked.

@@kpoppapi1493 I honestly generally hold the value of better say nothing if unsure 🙃-

why can i relate to this LOL. Before I became a carat I also thought that don't wanna cry was a wanna one song, so your not alone

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