I also feel like this is very similar to what is happening with Luka with MVP including this season, not quite to the same degree as Duncan not winning dpoy obviously and there's reasons he hasn't won it yet and he will definitely get it in the very near future, but it's so weird how in his 6th season he hasn't really come close to winning MVP despite consistently making the playoffs and putting up ridiculous numbers every season, just like you said preemptive voter fatigue

@@imrxcket I actually think that can be entirely attributed to Luka's organization. Like, him getting snubbed for MVP actually has an entirely reasonable explanation behind it. The Mavericks have done an absolutely horrid job of building around arguably the best talent inbetween Lebron and Wemby's drafts (2003-2023). I genuinely believe Luka is gonna get his MVP as soon as his team finishes among the top 3 seeds in the West. But that's far from a given considering he is currently in the godamn play-in while averaging.......... 34/9/10 on 61% TS.

damn didn't know you could miss the playoffs and get an mvp ​@@imrxcket

What year would you give to Duncan and why

@@imrxcket Luka just live in an era with Giannis and Jokic, and I think people don't realize how all time both these guys are§, especially when come to offensive efficiency, like Jokic is nearly an 25/10/10 guy and Giannis is an 30/10/6 guy with DPOY level every year . That's at nothing to do with Luka. Meanwhile Mutombo or Wallace having like 4 DPOY was BS, when you see there were others guys and they just gave it to the guys with the most blocks and flashier ones

Yeah but daignault did this more so. Most people predicted the thunder in the playin range and I never saw one person who had them as a one seed. They jumped like 10 seeds from last year and are far ahead of pace from rebuilding

@@BzBuck either him or Udoka, the fact that Joe Mazzula is above Ime in odds to win is hilarious.

⁠@@Goonmaxer Mazzula being in the COTY race is such a joke, you could put just a passable coach in the position of having a stacked roster like that and they'd still be top 2 in the East on talent alone

@@bryanjerardBoston be even better with Ime

I told my buddy to bet on Daignult to win COTY when it was -160. Wish I would’ve bet more too. He didn’t listen tho 😂. He’s like -500 now.

Or any series that’s not the 2k21 Sixers one for that fact

No nba KZfaqr finishes their 2k series. They never take into account how much work u gotta put in for it to be fun. Ask funky, rusty, kenny, etc

Jerry Krause didn’t😂

This isn’t a hot take, it’s a good smart observation that ppl in the bball world def know, but is extremely hard to quantify unless you’re on the team, part of the FO, or cover the league in depth and know who the good assts are etc. There’s a reason HCs usually demand to hire their own staff when they get a new job. There is so much work, and diff HCs can specialize in diff things. You might be a really good leader, really good on offense, but may need a “defensive coordinator” or whatever. You may not be the absolute best with coming up with plays for sideline OOBs, ATOs, etc. and need an Xs and Os guy for those particular offensive moments. Asst coaches are def the most underrated part of a team I’d say in a lot of situations. I think a lot of it is bc it’s not really public like the NFL where there’s an offensive and defensive coordinator, and you usually know if the HC calls plays etc. For w/e reason it’s not like that in the NBA, and titles vary vastly. So many HCs have a defensive or offensive coordinator though and most ppl have no idea.

Sadly yes Then the sg just turned into a 3and D position

@@CahlilWessoni feel like if haliburton can solidify that next step he could have the potential to be one of the next great PGs. That run when he was scoring like 30 points a game while also having 12+ assists and almost no turnovers showed where his potential can be

@@Other_Robots no pg should ever have less than 8 assists per game in my opinion

@@CahlilWesson If you play in a team with no other talents yes. But if you have a point forward then there's no point. Also no team has won a title with a player averaging more than 10 APG outside Magic and the Lakers. And traditional PG are historically bad 1st option if you want to win a title

​@@CahlilWessonyou're one of those ones who say curry isn't a pg

If MJ had missed every single one of his shots in the 1992 finals, the Blazers would have won the ring. Ever think about that?

If anything Giannis has just been profoundly unlucky: Raptors build the wall because Giannis had basically no help Jimmy goes off in the bubble Khris getting hurt in the 2021 playoffs killed a likely back to back championship run (they took the Celtics to 7 without him which is insane). The entire heat roster, especially Jimmy Butler go off, nobody on that team could miss for basically a month

Lol

Excuses Considering that during those years people acted like the bucks were the nba equivalent of Kansas City chiefs with Mahomes

All these hot takes are bad. That's what makes them good hot takes-they get people to engage.

Imagine if LeBron was on a team that made the finals and did so winning 2 games in the ECF with him sitting out. Regardless even if he won finals MVP ppl would slander him and say he got lucky or carried by supporting cast. The difference is ppl actually like Giannis so they give him a pass

It does

I swear to God the heat got access to space jam like powers for that series, hitting the absurd shots

your greatness is defined by your competition

I wonder why

Where do Mick Foley and the Undertaker rank for you all time?

@@Healthy_Toki Taker is also on my mount Rushmore. He had some filler years & poor storyline payoffs, but with that much longevity it's hard to avoid. Foley is somewhere in my top 15. I hadn't seen a lot of his work pre-wwe so I honestly don't have a solid enough study on him. But he is a guy who's had some legendary moments & matches, and pioneered hardcore wrestling while offering a bit more depth as a character than other guys from his time.

It’s funny to say “he doesn’t know how to wrestle”, when he won Olympic gold

Steve Nash is truly underappreciated.

cool but thats not the question i like butler much better than embiid embiid is an overall better player

​@@jac6548 more talented sure but what good is that if when it matters most butler is a far more impactful player.

Larry bird really was that guy as a hyper dynamic offensive talent before those were a thing, but his all time standing is hurt by the back injury. I do think from a pure talent perspective he’s under appreciated by modern fans, I think considering how valuable and unique his talent was he would have had a lot of success on any team as he was the best player in the league by a substantial margin and any type of player could slot well into his offense

@@shakespearefan Bird was the best player on the best regular season team for 6 in 7 years. He is an excellent player, but he still had a super team. For me he would be towards the bottom of my top 10

Larry would have done well anywhere with his mentality. He'd have had a better career if he played for a team that were either persuasive or unyielding enough to protect his body from chronic injury. Magic might have been a better player if he wasn't distracted by everything that came from being an LA sports superstar, but it was probably the best landing spot for him career wise.

Is it really a super team if they were made of homegrown talent?

@@RussellReviewerFJV yes lol

Coby white went up from bieng a bust to near allstar out of nowhere though

Counter Hot Take: prime Klay (2015-2019) has become an underrated player. Dude was an exceptional defender and one of the most efficient scorers in league history. And he scored almost exclusively within the flow of the offense, which is an undervalued trait

Also he'll play dirty af so opponents get frustrated and commit fouls and are thrown off of their game

There are exceptions of course, like LeBron or Wembanyama on one side and Kwame Brown or Anthony Bennett on the other, but those are rare outliers

Great take

Facts. People overestimate “leadership”

Facts

Really every Denver Nuggets player not named Nikola Jokić. seriously Jamal Murray is one of the best three level scorers in the league. Then we got Aaron Gordon, one of the best slashers and defenders in the league. Michael Porter Junior is one of the best catch and shoot players out there but you’re not gonna see a single person talk about them

@@Drcoconut4777 Murray reminds me a lot of Kyrie. Smooth handles, can score at any spot on the floor, unreal touch around the rim, etc. best part is you don’t get the drama. Aaron Gordon is on of the most versatile defenders and can play the 1-5. On top of that he’s one of the best dunkers in the league and a constant lob threat. His most underrated skill imo is his ability to play make. He’s pretty good in that aspect. People forget MPJ would have been a top 3 pick if he didn’t have the health concerns. Well guess what? He’s been healthy and he shows how valuable his is when healthy. Look at his stats last season in the playoffs, if he just plays up to his normal standards, nuggets coast through the west. If he gets hot in the playoffs it’s going to be a repeat for the nuggets. Not to mention KCP who is a great 3 & D player. IMO hes not as good as he used to be but he’s the 5th best starter and covers the opponent’s best guard while knocking down open 3s. Great luxury to have. Bench is meh but Braun and Watson and developing into good young talent. Reggie is Reggie and sometimes you want to kill him but sometimes he saves the day.

Yeah all true, the bench is just so meh most of the time. Malone is forced to have murray out with the second unit to keep them afloat which leaves less time for murray and joker 2 man. MPJ post all-star is really promising though going into post season.

Seems like every Christian Braun play is driving to the rim for a tough lay up then missing, he has good hustle though.

value can be measured in a number of ways and almost all involve an element of subjectivity

I gets it's Jalen brown then seeing how he had the biggest salary

@@josh_harrisonIdk man. Point differential and +/- with, and without a person on the field is pretty objective... Nuggets for example have a +19 better point differential per 100, when Jokic is on the field, compared to him off the field. Tatum only 3 points difference btw, idk how ppl can think he is the mvp

So the best performance per dollar? SGA makes 10 million less than Jokic and 7 million less than Luka…

But he has missed too many games

Which ome matters more?

Not to mention Isiah Thomas

@godsonsmart6704 yeah idc about that, he's not in my top 30 either

Isiah thomas definitely carried the pistons in one of those finals. He came back in the game with an injured ankle and scored like 30 points in the 4th quarter in game 7

Duncan was the #1 for 3 chips. Parker won finals MVP so did kawahi

If you look at every championship winning team basically ever, they are comprised of superstar players (or just one superstar player) who are effective without having to keep the ball for most ofthe possession: Jokic 2023 Giannis 2021 KD 2017,2018 Curry 2015, 17,18,22 Lebron 2012, 13, 16,20 Kawhi 2019, 2014 That is the best player(s) on every championship winning team since 2012 (but you can apply this to every decade since 1980, Ive never thought about it pre 80's), all of them are still very effective without the ball and dont need to have the ballfor the whole possession to make something happen.

​@@athunderfan nahhh when you think about it pre 3 point era that's not true all the time. 2006 wade, 1994 & 95 hakeem, duncan

And for the ssme reason as the Cavs, it's that their franchise player got too good too early

Hard agree. Zeke is much higher than CP3, IMO. Not even convinced that I take CP3 over Nash or Stockton either.

If you read the comment, yes, this is absolutely a s**t post

Theoretically, rookies would more or less dominate that award then

Most win shares per dollar of salary? 😂😂😂

It would always go to a sophomore/junior in the nba (I know it’s a joke, but I was just thinking about it)

@@5stariley it’d be funny if they just voted like that for 5 years or so. You get a few random players like Derrick White or Naz Reid with an MVP to their name

Firstly he’s a much better player than pp , better scorer , defender , rebounder and I’d say the playmaking is about even Secondly , this team quite clearly built around him and he is the Center peice, people think Tatum just some cog in the Celtics machine because he isn’t as impactful an offensive player like the Lukas and hardens of the world. But if you actually watch the games you’ll see his impact at both ends of the floor. To address the bit you said about Championships , name me a team that won a title without a top 15 player oat that didn’t have an elite supporting cast around the main guy Look at kawhis numbers form the raptors run , he wasn’t putting up 35 a night like people would have you believe

Dam I guess I didn’t hear PP was suffocated to death by a strippers thighs and was then able to reincarnated tho im not surprised

Pierce is way more clutch with far less talent but more skill. Prime Pierce on the current Celtics team would have a ring by now.

@@ghostaccountlmao do you have any numbers to back up the clutch point ? Also pp played on an actual super team and won 1 title , i have no idea why you think he’d have won a chip with this current team.

@@DJJ616 “much better player” is definitely a stretch. I disagree he’s a much better player but they also played in different eras that was slower so it’s hard to compare stats. I’m a huge Pierce hater but I’d consider them equal and Pierce has the better legacy as of right now.

You do realize that the Kings could realistically beat the Warriors, the Lakers (who they swept in the season series), or the Rockets, right?

@@urbaindelva7869i really don’t think the kings could beat the warriors or the lakers in the playoffs kings defense is just so bad and sabonis last season got dramatically worse in the playoffs

Mainly because all eyes were on him. Other than giannis nobody is hitting a damn shot. It's like during FIBA where all 5 players focused on defending giannis

😂😂😂 no franchise with rings is gonna start putting up statues of a guy who didn’t add to that collection

If Kevin Durant believes himself s top ten player all time he should be s ble to have anything better than what he has

@@gabrielantunez7642If we’re being honest, Kd just hasn’t had a great situation since leaving. Injuries and drama have really fucked him over.

​@@gabrielantunez7642Sure, but not everything works out the way you want it.

​@@marcusbrown4933Yeah, but he is partially responsible for all of that drama.

Yep, first thought here too.

09 bron is arguably ngl and I might take it over 2018 but it is debatable.

97-98 Jordan is low compared to early three peat Jordan and 96 Jordan.

1999-2000 shaq had kobe though averaging 22 during that season and he also struggled against the blazers. Another example for that is 1994 hakeem