Example?

He saw Derrick white gain aura and said that’s how every bald guy plays

@@Romanus- Caruso is the only example needed, he the goat .

Let’s call this an Aerodynamic buff

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I would say whether Steph or Magic is better comes down to whoever you think is the better defender. Both were excellent offensively (peak Curry might be better, but both are excellent). However I never see defense brought up for either one.

@slz_jordanThe better one at that aspect would have the better worse component then. Just something I thought of.

how? everybody besides old heads have him top 10

@@crystalizedExposednot everyone…lol

He's being compared to Magic Johnson... Everyone knows how great he is😂

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Irregardless is actually a word, whereas “could care less” is directly opposite to the intended meaning, which is actually “couldn’t care less”

@@Jonathan-A.C. nice I learnt something new today thanks!

Nuclear?

@@Jonathan-A.C.true but irregardless and regardless are the same exact statement and there’s no reason to use irregardless

How much skill you display and what skills you develop are influenced by who you grew up watching play. Players in earlier generations may not have skills that their successors did, but if they were born 25-30 years later and grew up watching different players, what’s to say they wouldn’t have been inspired to develop those skills? And conversely, if today’s players were born 25 or 30 years earlier than they are in reality, what’s to say they wouldn’t have had totally different games that don’t feature the same skills we see out of them today?

Is that really a hot take?

The 90s did suck, it's purely subjective whether you liked that ero or not. It's not bullshit just because people disagree with you.

@@fortynights1513thank you!!

Facts. Generational talents are generational for a reason but the average level of play has always been increasing

I have a theory that KG's success as a rookie coming out of high school was a major factor in the prep to pro boom we saw for the next 10 years. I believe that if he had failed, teams probably wouldn't have been looking at prep stars like they ended up doing. I mentioned this to someone and his response was to point out that KG only finished 6th in Rookie of the Year voting. My response was to remind him that he was an 18 year old rookie straight out of high school playing with grown ass men and he started only 43 of the 80 games he played in. Some people just refuse to deep dive into things.

Duncan’s 03 carry job is better then any season in KG’s career.

@@thetruth4654 "One of the" indicates the possibility that at least one other is better but this one is still up towards the top. You're not really proving him wrong by saying Duncan's '03 carry job is better.

Fair enough.

Especially with how new rules have made the regular season completely redundant

I love playoff Jimmy but I feel like when your team is only 5 games above .500 and the 8th seed you can put a little effort it. All it takes is Jimmy getting hurt and missing a month and this team could fall below .500 and risk losing their playoff spot. And since playoff jimmy is such a different player I think it can make it difficult to refine your offensive scheme over the regular season since your main guy is only taking 13 attempts per game when hes going to take 20+ in playoffs.

same with Jamal, reason why it's fair he's not in All Star. Intentionally or not, he's smooth sailing in the regular season then suddenly turn to Playoff Murray

Yeah true the regular season has nothing to do with the playoffs why would he care

Luka would be clear if the mavs were a top 5 seed but unfortunately they suck

Very good take. I’m exhausted of people who’re preemptively anointing anyone as if it isn’t close.

Zero chance Jokic doesn't win it if the Nuggets finish with the 1 seed in the West.

Since we are talking about the MVP, question for you: Who’s the best player you don’t see listed here? These are the 122 players who have finished top five in an MVP vote at least once in their careers. ABA Players (24): Connie Hawkins Doug Moe Mel Daniels Larry Jones Willie Somerset Jimmy Jones Rick Barry Spencer Haywood Roger Brown Bob Verga Zelmo Beaty Charlie Scott Dan Issel Artis Gilmore Billy Cunningham Julius Erving George McGinnis Ron Boone Joe Caldwell Willie Wise Bobby Jones Mack Calvin James Silas David Thompson NBA Players (98): Bob Pettit Paul Arzin Bob Cousy Mel Hutchins Dolph Schayes Bill Sharman George Yardley Bill Russell Maurice Stokes Elgin Baylor Wilt Chamberlain Oscar Robertson Jerry West Sam Jones Jerry Lucas Nate Thurmond Lenny Wilkens Dave Bing Wes Unseld Willis Reed Kareem Abdul Jabaar Walt Frazier John Havlicek Dave Cowens Tiny Archibald Bob McAdoo Bob Lainer Elvin Hayes Bill Walton Pete Maravich George Gervin Walter Davis Moses Malone Bob Dandridge Larry Bird Dennis Johnson Dan Roundfield Robert Parish Gus Williams Magic Johnson Sidney Moncrief Bernard King Isiah Thomas Terry Cummings Dominique Wilkins Hakeem Olajuwon Michael Jordan Kevin McHale Charles Barkley Clyde Drexler Karl Malone Patrick Ewing David Robinson Scottie Pippen Shaquille O’Neil Penny Hardaway Grant Hill Tim Hardaway Glen Rice Gary Payton Tim Duncan Alonzo Mourning Allen Iverson Jason Kidd Kevin Garnett Chris Webber Tracy McGrady Kobe Bryant Jermaine O’Neil Peja Stojakovic Steve Nash Dirk Nowitski LeBron James Chauncey Billups Chris Paul Dwight Howard Dwayne Wade Kevin Durant Derrick Rose Tony Parker Carmelo Anthony Blake Griffin Joakim Noah James Harden Stephen Curry Russell Westbrook Anthony Davis Kawhi Leonard Isaiah Thomas Damian Lillard Giannis Antetokounmpo Paul George Nikola Jokic Luka Doncic Joel Embiid Devin Booker Jayson Tatum Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

Frontrunner doesn't mean "running away with it" It just means they are in front. If you have Giannis as MVP right now then he is your frontrunner.

I agree in part, but I think comparing players from different eras would be fine if people actually kept in mind that the eras were different. A lot of people will use today as a barometer to judge the past and that's where they'll go wrong every time.

Thank you both for bringing some objectivity here. You are a rare breed of basketball fans right now.

Yeah this isn't even a hot take to me, I always thought the same, comparing teams and players only makes sense when they're of the same era, once you compare different eras you get an infinite amount of "what ifs"...

Idk about that take…… Stockton was a great defender and he could actually shoot it. Also made some of the most memorable clutch shots for Utah

Replace Stockton with Jason Kidd and you have a better argument.

If it wasn't for this guy called Michael jordan, John stocken would most likely have 2 rings

Hell to the no. I dont think he is a top 5 pg of all time, but he is DEF closer to magic than rubio

That's an ass take, but I enjoy it anyway

I do think fans for some weird reasons get ultra defensive to hear they might also be a problem in the product they are watching. It’s crazy because I feel every knows supply and demand and it’s something literally every business does. So inherently especially after so many years fans have a way much louder and respected voice than they use to. And we see a plain example every all star weekend. The shit been virtually the same for decades and then around maybe 2014 they started trying to implement more and more changes to the existing games and adding new ones why? Because they can see ratings drop and then go online and see every “fan” demand and try to supply them a better product based on what the demand is

I think that also contributes to why some fans refuse to factor in impact on winning when comparing players. It seems like one of the only times basketball is considered a team sport is when someone's favorite player isn't on teams that win consistently or at all.

Compared to other sports (probably with the exception of the QB in football), one player can win you a game and take you to a finals almost singlehanded(1st stint in Cleveland and ‘18 Bron, 2022 Luka, ‘22 Jokic). And it’s based on the fact that there is only 10 players on the field, compared to the 22 in football (soccer), and god knows how many in stupid football, less variance and one persons skill level can propel a team more then any other sport, I mean god damn with physical freaks like Giannis, KD, Bron, Wemby, Ja. Hell Steph Curry warps the court the second he steps past half court. Yes basketball is a team sport but it’s the most individualistic out of em all.

The 65 game rule shouldn’t even be controversial, it’s these athletes job to play basketball, i Honestly think it should be 71 games rather then 65.

Highly disagree

@@athunderfan but its a better discussion than this all time ranking hot takes, no?

@@joaovitorcarvalhoferreira1924 I dont get what you mean

@@athunderfan I mean, would be nicer to see also rusty buckets talking about this take than see him talking about a debate about players of two different eras

can't react to the clip (link is dead) but this one will be in the next video. thanks for the take! -rudy

fr, like people be putting lebron in 15th during the regular season, tell me with a straight face there are 15 players you would want more than a healthy lebron in the playoffs

The best couple players in the league would have succeeded at both. But playoff performances definitely separate players when we evaluate them. That said, if a player played well enough in the regular season to be labeled a playoff choker or disappointment when he fails, then he should still be considered pretty darn good even if he drops a tier. Ex: Postseason would disqualify Embiid or Tatum (especially Embiid) from being the best player in the world, but I wouldn’t be opposed to them being all-NBA players in their best seasons.

@@fortynights1513 for sure. Playoff performance shouldn't affect regular season accolades. However, Embiid in the playoffs last years might not even have been a top 25 player in the league. 7 feet tall and shooting 43% while barely squeaking out 24 ppg? And 2 assists to 2 turnovers per game. I don't want that guy on my team

Fuck yes

That’s still someone who could finish top five in an MVP vote (not that Edwards will this year, but he may in his career, and Booker did two or three years ago).

Eh, Idk. One could argue that Ant is a better player. Better slasher, more athletic, better finisher, better defender. I can see Ant being considered better than Book, if he isn't already.

Ant clears defensively

​@@urbaindelva7869 Better finisher is just wrong. Dbook is a better finisher around the rim at 67% while ant is at 65% and booker is a more consistent scorer than ant though. I'd still give booker the edge on scoring alone since he's a good defender

Nah ant is light years ahead of what devin booker was at his age … better on defense for sure … and not too far behind on offense

Ok I hate lebroke back mountain but Miami signing lebroke is the greatest free agency signing in that time frame

@@topramen5718 that’s more than a decade ago, 2011

I’m curious why you think that? 🧐

@@nicholasalexander9866He is just a good player who is held in a great regard by casual basketball fans.

@nicholasalexander9866 Due to narrative, i.e., "He's the greatest 6th man of all time!". Also, he has prominent players who are saying he deserves to be Hall of Famer. Moreover, the media seems to like Jamal Crawford, and he seems to be looked at as "likable" in personality by potential voters. Let me be clear, I don't think he deserves it, but I think somehow he will make it during a weak Hall of Fame class year. I will say this though, in terms of resume, he does have 3 things going for him. 3 6MOTY awards; nearly 20,000 points (and if you include the playoffs, it's over 20 K); and he has scored the most points in his 2000 draft class.

Ehhh Zach Randolph, Michael Redd, and Joe Johnson are certainly considered better players and the odds they go in are ZERO

@@Mrballerize You know, that’s a good point. Yeah I don’t think he’s a Hall of Famer either, but I could definitely see people arguing that.

What was the biggest mistake he made earlier on if any in your opinion?

BRO I SAY THIS ALL THE FUCKING TIME. HE NEEDED THAT EXPERIENCE. You dont understand how fucking often I say this. Im in total shock that I hear another person making this point.

​@@fortynights1513 elephant in the room: james harden. I think that was explainable and its effect is overstated. The next big learning point for presti was building a team that fit with the modern style of play. His first iteration of the Thunder were just hitting their peak when a massive shift in playstyle hit the NBA, and he needed time to understand how the blueprint forr a successful team will look like in the NBA. I think this is evidenced by his roster construction post harden around KD and Russ, and also evident in his many draft whiffs from those 2013-2018 years. Another big point was allowing a coach full reign to actually be a coach. Billy Donovan is by all accounts a great coach, but it was obvious that he felt absolutely no confidence from the front office to really coach his thunder teams. This is clear in how little he did to rock the boat with his offensive schemes. The second Russ and KD were gone he put an amazing offensive system in place and showed why he was such a big deal coming into the NBA. Had he been given that front office backing in the beginning, he may have put out a better offense than just KD and Russ iso ball. It was also obvious to anyone who watched while he coached KD that KD seemingly had no respect for him. So I think Presti learned 3 important lessons from his first go at the thunder: 1. How to manage stars 2. How to build a tean for the modern NBA 3. The importance of backing a coach I think all of those points can be seen in the modern thunder 1. In order to manage stars, your stars have to be manageable. Clearly alot of thought has been put to getting high talent but low ego guys who ultimately care about winning more than anything else (Shai, Chet, and Jdub are all perfect examples of those). Their personalities also have to fit together, along with their play styles ofc 2. This OKC iteration is much more skilled, with many connective passers, off ball players, and shooters. The team fits together perfectly from a playstyle prespective 3. Daigneault has been given full backing to implement his vision for how the team should play, and he has worked wonders. I hope that answers your question

W take

No way

Oh, no, it's isn't. MVP conversations don't go on for YEARS.

@@urbaindelva7869Individual ones don’t, but in the moment it feels like it can get heated, and most times when it gets close it gets toxic.

I can get behind that. I think Shaq is the greatest talent to ever play, but I have like ten guys ahead of him because they just accomplished more, or their accomplishments are more impressive. Greatness is ultimately a function of talent and accomplishments

​​@@crashlight54Shaq was talented but other than his post up game he wasn't very skilled and actively refused working on his game like shooting jumpers or free throws at least semi decently, the other players achieved more and I would say other players in the top 5 or 10 all time players couldn't rely on their physical talents alone, thus they were more complete players

@@bulja80085 Shaq had great footwork, was one of the better passers to play center, and flashed tremendous rim protection ability. Emphasis on flashed, he never really got better at defense

@@crashlight54 Yeah there was stuff he was great at, but my main criticism is that because he was so talented he never really worked on his game and tried to improve it so he stagnated at one point in his career, which I would say is the year after he won the championship with the heat

Coldest take I’ve ever heard 😂

Can’t imagine a personality like trae on the team like the spurs

@@chilldoc9638Wemby has a strong personality and he’s on the Spurs

People with this take don’t know ball, why would you have the two people averaging the most turnovers in the league on the same team

I could see a conference finals loss to Denver.

Twolves are accepting any & all nets fans!

Yeah I agree, look at the nuggets this yearm they werent in the top 4 until the final third of the year. They seemed to slowly ramp up as the year went on

Undefeated is still undefeated, dude.

Getting to the Finals multiple times is an accomplishment, but your success rate does matter.

context matters. did you choke those other 6 times, or were you the only reason your team was there in the first place.

@@crystalizedExposedTHIS

Biggest issue is that the Lakers suck at guarding the 3, which negatively impacts his defensive numbers. Teams are scoring in ways that AD isn't even the defender 90% of the time. It's weird that they're not running people off of the 3pt line when you have AD rim protecting.

Wasn’t Amare hurt by then?

It’s Aaron Gordon his defense and athletic presence is crucial for the Nuggets but I guess you can make a strong case for OG as well

Is OG really a role player though?

I’m not sure honestly. Wade got his first ring as the main guy, granted he got his other rings as the second guy. If the Clippers win, he’d have to put on performances on par with Kawhi and PG in order to become a conversation

nah, its not. Harden is a proved Fraud. Wade is a legit 3 time champ.

will it? a ring as the third option isn't compared to 2 rings as the second option, 5 finals apearances as a second option, and a ring as at least a 1b

@@nicholasalexander9866 I feel like Hardens career is far better than Wades. Wade just had a dominant peak but the injuries slowed him down. Harden was dominant during with those Rocket teams but went up against a stacked western conference (2010s).His first few years he was carrying bad rocket teams to the playoffs. Wade had a dominant finals run which is why he’s over him but he never got to that peak again imo. Harden was just unlucky. Also Harden has a better individual resume than Wades if we not talking about rings

@@nicholasalexander9866 Harden has to many no shows in playoff and has a fraudulent playstyle(flopper, habitual traveller) to surpass wade and join the top 3.

You’re joking

you don't believe that bro

I don't agree but would be great to see the reaction 👍

You don’t believe that, you just want to be featured in a video, which is fine, but it’s shameless and just admit it

Sac is the 6 seed i wouldnt say thats a GREAT season . Good season yes, great one no

Shai is pretty well known to be above fox,ant can be a debate because when ant is on, he's not on the same level as Shai but in the same ballpark as him, and this season Shai is solidifying that he is in the same league/ballpark as curry and Luka, I think in 2 years time he will be viewed in a much higher light.

people be disrespecting shai. i saw people saying he shouldn't get mvp just because hes not on the same level as embiid, luka, or jokic. his stats are on par with them, idk what they want bro to do

It’s pretty widely accepted he’s a tier above Fox and Ant

I won’t say the bulk up helped but I do think Davis got better the more he embraced being a big guy traditionally rather than trying to dribble and do ask the fancy stuff. He was getting injured trying to be Mr do it all. He still gets right the same stats he did as the main guy except now he’s learned what he NEEDS to do to help teams win. Just because a guy can do something doesn’t mean it’s best option for him

I agree with this. Also worth noting is Wallace was the defensive anchor for the Pistons and it all flowed around him and his abilities, but the same isn't true for Rodman even as great of a defender as he was. Most of the people I've seen calling Rodman a GOAT tier defender are LeBron fans that say that as a way to diminish Jordan, and I don't know how many of them actually believe that if they ever truly took the time to examine why they say that.

@davidmartinez52420 Absolutely, Wallace WAS their defense, as great as Chauncey and Tayshaun were, and as competent as Rip and Sheed were, we saw what they looked like after Ben left, and it wasn't pretty even though they were still a good team. No one guy dominated the Bad Boys' defense, they were a team of good to great defenders top to bottom

@@crashlight54 I would go so far as the say the Pistons' defense of the early 2000s was better than the Bad Boy's defense simply because the Bad Boys were dirty as fuck. But yeah, after Big Ben left the Pistons their defense was still pretty good but not what it was with him. We saw that in the way LeBron and the Cavs were able to dispatch them in 2007 without Ben but lost in 2006 when they had Ben.

​​@@davidmartinez52420It's not the Cavs' fault that Big Ben left.

Ben Wallace is the most overrated defense player of all time

Ill give you 9 ppg, def not 15 ppg unless you mean make her the number 1 option

I’ve seen Blake Griffin compared to Kemp more than Zion. But both Zion and Kemp retired overweight.