Do you agree that Frank Sheeran did not murder Jimmy Hoffa?

Problem was, Hoffa was his own worse enemy. He was beyond prideful, her was so full of himself I'm surprised he did not simply explode. On the other hand, Hoffa was a genius in labor organization and management. When Hoffa ran the Teamsters, the work men & women did very, very well and once Hoffa was removed from the Teamsters, the working class never had a chance like that again. Hoffa should have shut up, pretended he would play nice and be their "boy." Then once head of the Teamsters he could expose the whole rotten edifice of mob involvement.

It makes sense that Hoffa would absolutely not get in that car unless he saw someone in the car that he trusted, so it very likely that Sheeran was in the car. I never thought Frank pulled the trigger on Jimmy because he knew him so well and the mob would never trust him to do it. Why did Frank tell the story because he knew full well the truth would never come out.

My father knew Jimmy personally and was one of Jimmy's men sent to various locals to straighten them out. What happened and who did it is, and I always think, will be unknown. Anyone who knew is dead, on purpose or of old age. However, the reason why Hoffa was taken out is very simple. When he went to prison, one thing that happened is that would no longer be allowed to rejoin the Teamsters, nor allowed to run for President again. When he got out, he was making a deal with the Federal government to turn in his mob buddies with the condition that he could run for union President again. Of course the mob could not allow this, Hoffa did know too much and he was willing to turn everything in. My father believed that Jimmy was quickly shot, dumped into a vehicle and taken to a car smasher not too far away. The car was crushed and duped out at sea or in a smelter plant

For what it's worth, Sheeran told his biographers he was also contingent in helping the Cuban counter-Castro group as featured in the film. Had the same writer brought up the Kennedy assassination and the Marilyn Monroe connection, the Vietnam War and any other current news items, Sheeran would have mentioned his involvement in those items as well. And its all true. As true as his whacking of Crazy Joe.

Hoffa's adopted son was also deeply involved in the murder and disappearance. Very Shakespearean.

Whoever killed Hoffa one thing is for sure, the mod disposed of him in the easiest and most discrete way. They don't usually go for elaborate difficult disposal methods. They like easy. Cement shoes are a near total myth with probably one or certainly not many cases ever. It's too difficult and could expose the perpetrators for extended lengths of time. The easier the better.

"Some think its Scorsese's masterpiece" I can think of 5 Scorsese film off the top of my head better than The Irishman

Great video 🍿

Back in the day and living in the area, the joke was that Jimmy was holding up one of the pillars of the Pontiac Sports Stadium which was being built down the road from the restaurant. They were pouring cement about that time.

Above all, it's a movie. And a damn good one.

Of all of the things that I've heard of his death and disappearance, the movie's explanation of how easy it would be to make someone totally vanish makes sense. Whether it's the truth or not I dunno. But cremating makes perfect sense to me

The most important thing you need to remember about the Hoffa case was his agreement with the government to disengage from the Teamsters in exchange for his freedom. From that moment forward he was under constant surveillance by not just the FBI but also very likely the Agency (because of his involvement if not in the Kennedy case directly - but certainly the trafficking of arms and narcotics through the Miami/JM-WAVE operation). He was also most likely a Confidential Informant (once the Feds put the squeeze on you there really are very few options other than co-operation). If Hoffa was arranging a meetup with Giacalone in an effort to retake the leadership of the Teamsters the feds would have known about it. They had so many CI's providing intelligence it would be impossible for them not to know. The Mob knew Hoffa was being watched night and day. Just the notion that they'd move against Hoffa at such a time is utterly preposterous. It's not that the Feds necessarily cared one way or another about Hoffa. They just didn't want them running some kind of half-assed operation (remember, these are largely street punks - not too bright) which would blow up in everyone's faces - particularly the Ford administration which was fighting tooth and nail to clean up the mess following the Watergate burglary. Hoffa was a problem. He knew too much and in his desperation to regain control of the Teamsters he was showing signs that he might begin to talk. Jimmy had to go. And whoever did the job had to do it right. No mistakes. No blowback. Which means a Mob assassination is out of the question. For a job like this you use trained killers. I'm not talking about wheezing, over-the-hill thugs like Frank Sheeran. A military operation with a kill team rotated most likely out of Vietnam or Cambodia. Or perhaps he FBI as they had their own bunch of trained killers which they kept over the border in Mexico. But definitely not the Mob. You can't trust those guys not to screw up. One other thing to remember - the title of the film was changed from the book to "The Irishman". But WHO was the Irishman in the movie? I mean, it's implied that it's Sheeran. But given the subtext of the film and its links to November 23rd 1963 - you could conceivably believe the Irishman was, in fact, John F. Kennedy. For me one of the most important shots in the film was that of the infirmed Kennedy patriarch looking across the waters from his wheelchair. A penny for his thoughts at that time indeed ...

Well I don't know if Sheeran did it but he seemed to want credit for it for some reason. His daughter disowned him for it. She was convinced he was involved and he didn't seem to try to change her mind.

I used to know someone who owned an ambulance service in downriver Detroit and claimed to have transported a body in an ambulance from the last house Hoffa was known to be at to a different house, he also said Hoffa may have been taken to a rendering plant in Coldwater, Michigan and made into animal feed.

I'm a 58 year old Michigan guy, born and raised 1 hour north of Detroit and still live here. I remember when Hoffa went missing and the news knew all about his Mafia ties and all the gangsters he hung out with. Shortly (6 months) after Hoffa went missing Central Sanitation (Owned by the Mob) in Hamtramck (Suburb of Detroit) mysteriously burned to the ground. Several mob associates have said that mobsters took bodies to be incinerated so they could never be found over to Central Sanitation and were cremated, After the Feds started interviewing Mob associates Central Sanitation was burned to the ground in an arson fire. Central Sanitation was the easiest way to dispose of a corpse and the Mob used that facility many times until they burned it down to cover up any possible evidence linking them to Hoffa. Why take the chance of transporting his body to the east coast to dump him in the ocean or to places outside of Michigan when you can drive 20 minutes to simply incenerate the body and never leave any evidence to link them to the crime. It was reported many times and every Detroit news statiion was covering it. As the years went on the mystery just kept getting more and more silly with stories of where Hoffa's body was dumped, Giants Stadium endzone, The concrete footings at the Renaissance Center in downtown Detroit. It makes perfect sense to only use a Mob owned buisness to get rid of bodies rather than transport them elsewhere and risk getting caught. Hoffa was nothing but ash hours after he was killed near the Machus Red Fox restaurant.

“You could put a body in the trunk of a Toyota and have it crushed, then sent to the foundry to be melted down” - Richard Kuklinski

The interesting thing here is why Sally Bugs was whacked. The film states he was killed after he been seen going to the FBI HQ, and that he had actually given heads about the FBI meeting, but that someone had forgot to tell the higher ups. The film wants it to look like a non-sensical Mafia mess up. However, to me all this makes more sense if you actually believe that it was Sally Bugs who shot Hoffa. The involved parts of the Mob was definitely hard pressed by the FBI and they were probably just waiting for someone to squeel. What better way to send a message to those individuals involved than to whack the actual Hoffa shooter? First to show that you were ready to cut any loose threads in Hoffa situation, showing that the Mafia were not taking any chances through "due process", and that those involved better watch themselves. And second to really mess up any chances for the other people involved to cut a deal with the FBI. I mean, what was the other guys, like Sheeran going to do? Go to the FBI and blame the murder on a dead guy? Yeah well of course the FBI wanted to uncover the whole conspiracy, and pinch more people than the actual shooter, but still. Also Bugs was probably not a Bug, but a Spider in the net that connected the murder crew with the higher ups that ordered the murder, so an important piece dissapeared with Bugs. As said, the film make the murder of Sally Bugs murder look like stupid mistake made by a organisation becoming even more paranoid and even more callous than it already was. However my belief is that given, Sally Bugs was the Hoffa-killer, the Mafia leadership was just waiting for a chance to have him whacked, and that the Mafia leadership conciously wanted to show that they were ready to "commit mistakes" in order to protect itself. Btw, good work with the video! I really love how you connect the FBI-theory of Hoffas murder and connect it to the back story of how the idea for the movie plot was conceived by Deniro and Scorsese. Every story has its own story! I really think that this channel deserves a lot more views!

Mob, government, what's the difference? There isn't any except that one of them legalized itself.

The only reason that they can’t find Hoffa body is they had him cremated and scattered the ashes.

I remember when Jimmy Hoffa disappeared. I was in college at the time. I doubted he would ever be found.

It's really not that difficult..the Detroit mob had several men who could disappear someone. These guys have a great respect for omerta and that's that. You will never know who killed Hoffa because it doesn't matter...we already know that Detroit mob had him killed. And that's that

I believe that Frank was there and Bugs most likely shot him but his body was disposed of it wasn't brought to New Jersey and buried in Giants stadium or recently in Jersey city

Jack Nicholson's portrayal of Hoffa was the best

At 5:58, Joe Pesci’s character looks like the old dude from Disney’s UP if he were a mob boss. Heh.

So the big question is, what happened to Hoffa's body ?

I would honestly pay big bucks to see live security cam footage w/ audio at the restaurant where Dan Moldea met w/ Robert Dinero!! 😂😂 I lost it immediately and even searched it up to validate it and was so glad it appears to be!! Can you image Rob thinking he’s meeting up w/ the guy for a serious interview or to talk business and almost immediately, the guy starts talking to him in a tone like Jimmy from Goodfellas, Travis Bickle or Vito Corleone?

Something tells me that a wood chopper also went missing. A movie company stole my idea of the wood chopper and used it in the movie FARGO.

is it just me? but the picture of Thomas Andretta at 3:28 looks alot like Henry Hill

We had daily run cupolas for melting iron. I put the bottoms in on midnight shift and started for ops later in morning. On Sunday 12 midnight there was only 2 or 3 of us in the whole place. Once I had the coke fire started there was nothing to stop a person from bringing a body from railroad tracks to cupola area drop it in charge bucket and send it up no one would have seen it. And by the time we ran 17 hours at 3000 degrees there wouldn’t be anything left of body or our weekly ran one was even hotter and burned for at least a week straight. I know there were lots of foundries in area where he went missing

The movie is just not one that I would watch again. Casino and Goodfellas can watch whenever on.

When Bufalino retired, big Billy D'Elia took over as boss and has said Frank Sheeran lied about some things. Big Billy has just written a book called...The Life We Chose....to correct the lies of Frank Sheeran and tell the true story. The book comes out this July. It will be VERY interesting!

It doesn't matter if The Irishman is accurate. It's a movie based on the book by Frank Sheehan. So it's a point of view from him. The truth doesn't matter. And this movie is great.

Is there some kind of law that states you can't make a mob flick without DeNiro and Pesci in it...?

better title as HOFFA MOVIE REVIEW!!!

I was a young Teamster when Hoffa disappeared. The 60/70's were crazy time's , big names getting whacked .

There's absolutely no mystery here. The Irishman was definitely not Scorsese's masterpiece.

Our government killed Jimmy Hoffa, you know why, the government makes the most money in the trucking business.

Hoffa was killed and incenerated in nearby funeral home

He is i Lake Superior. My friends mom was dating a man from the mob and told her how he was dumped in Lake Superior. He will never be found.

When I was a kid , a grave size hole appeared in the woods we played in. We never saw who dug it ,and one day it was just filled in . I have been wondering in recent years if it could have been a hidden burial , maybe hoffa even .it was the right time frame

Back then, we used to joke about knowing which I94 overpass pillar was Jimmy's. Of course, we could never remember which one we picked last. I think we decided that every one had a piece embedded in it.

Movies NEVER tell the truth.

Ed was the number one suspect in the murder and they found evidence of Hoffas presence in the car they picked him up in. I’m sure Ed did it or at least was there.

Every mob hitman claims to have killed the guy

I read the book almost a decade before the movie came out, I don't think he did it, but was Involved, his name was on the hofex memo

I heard one version of Hoffa's death, where the Mafia didn't kill him but were involved. The story was that the guys sent to meat Hoffa at the Red Fox Lounge were all mid-level mobsters, sent to tell Hoffa he was out as head of the Teamsters. Hoffa was use to dealing with only the top level and took it as a great insult. Hoffa flew into a rage and dropped dead of a heart attack. Which makes sense because Hoffa was known to have a bad temper and a bad heart. The mobsters then called their boss to tell him what happened and were told to make Hoffa disappear.

A editor from the new tour times was in the restaurant when Joey Gallo got hit & gave a accurate description of the shooter. Hulking man over 6 feet tall! I’m just saying.

Buffalino!? LOL

I think the concrete union is worth a look!

In this day of mob informers, snitches and untold secrets ,.... very rare no one has trufully talked.

I've often wondered if our govt had a hand in it as he was violating the agreement made w Nixon

Never laughed so hard at all the CG used in this movie. Finally a Scorsese film for the times.

You say this was well before our time. Well truly for many us older folks it was of our our time as this happened in the late 60s or early 70s. Everyone used to theorize where in the desert his body was buried.

My Dad is actually a union rep for Teamsters (Edmonton, Alberta chapter)

It wasn't a novel. At the library, it's under true crime.

Mr.roberto Dinero, & Alfredo, s.. both are still greatest, actor's.. still can moves around..

No mention Kayo Kronigberg. He technically was a character in the movie. He would have been the weird looking guy who says nothing and always wears sunglasses; like when he’s driving while Sally Bugs strangles that guy in the car…..that would have actually been Kayo Kronigsberg, mafia associate known for being a ruthless killer and went away for 50 years Was released in 2014 and went straight to a retirement home were he ran rackets and bullied everyone else, as an 88 year old

Jimmy didn't know when to sit down and hush and they taught him how....

That was one case where everybody kept their mouths shut

His Own secret society got him wow

It wasn't a furnace it was a boiler

Well I have it on good authority that Jimmy is doing an Elvis Impersonation act in Vegas.

The one thing you forgot to add was this. Hoffa help build Vegas with teamsters funds. Which today's would be billions. The mob was to pay it back in 100million each year, but when Hoffa went to prison they stopped paying or didn't pay back as much. Jimmy know the amount the kcmo mob and NYC mob owned and was champion his way back into leadership but both heads of the mobs know they couldn't pay back the billion dollars they now put into Vegas. Which as to why the IRS started to come down on all the mob owned casinos to force them out of business. So in today's wealth both kcmo and NYC mob heads owned the teamsters $3 billion in back pay.

He is near the water as one of the Mafia guys spoke out.

I remember that, when asked wether it was meant to be a historical movie or not, Scorsese answering that it was "Certain people's alleged version of history".....I think that, if you are willing to see it that way instead of looking at the movie as if it was some sort of documentary (which I am not accusing you of doing at all, just so we're clear) you can definitely enjoy the movie for what it is.

If The Irishman is not true, who else could have got that close to Hoffa, since he was paranoid before death.

DB Cooper has been solved but it has not been publicized in the media.

I liked the film- excellent acting and a good plot- and the book it’s based on. It contains a few glaring inaccuracies though , like the Hoffa murder and the Joey Gallo hit. The latter didn’t make sense even in the context of the film; a boss having a made man from another family murdered because he was rude to Sheeran. That would have caused all manner of trouble..

A well placed mobster said that the only thing Frank Sheeran killed was jugs of red wine. Lies are way more interesting than the actual truth. The film is a tissue of lies so its entertaining.

Hoffa, made a very big mistake in crossing the mob. Especially, from what I understand you don’t touch their money.

May have been well before YOUR time but I well remember it. I was 13 years old.

Where's the BEEF ....??

Actually live right next to the cemetery Buffalino is buried in Denison cemetery Swoyersville PA

2:56 An airship? No shit? Lotta zeppelins flyin' around in the 1970s?

My guess is sally bugs

Michael Franzeze who knows what happened said he didnt do it.

Nah, Hoffa is walled up in the basement of the Red Fox restaurant. You heard it here first.

Historically accurate or not, I liked the movie.

Red on red Mercury was hard. Lol

You just need to imagine like it's all in ScorceseUniverse... His version, from his reality...

Clear as mud.

Great movie I love it

Most keep forgetting that Hoffa was the one that organized the United States Trucking Industry Operational Standards and Pay scale! Which is still the one being used today! As The Trucking Industry has become largely dis-adequate and over burdened for the needs of Positive Productionism, Commerce and Transportation Workers balanced Living Needs. We Need to switch Cargo Transportation over to Antigravitational Air Transportation for a lot of Reasons. One is it opens up World Trade like no other Transportation System We have, and improves Product transfer time line rates tremendously. Cargo going across The United States can be delivered in a matter of 5 hours after being loaded versus 5 days in Trucks, with a lot of issues to deal with All along the way. Then in International Trade, Antigravitational Air Freight can be done anywhere from 8 to 15 hours safely, and very safely, versus up to a month to get it to a truck from a Ship. Then instead of being limited to 45,000 pounds in a Truck with multiple Driver Issues in every day and every way, Antigravitational Flight can take upto a million pounds through the Air very Safely for maximum completed deliveries without loss of life to Drivers. We have this Technology through Nicola Tesla, our governments have been working on it a long time and now it is time to use it and transfer the Human Transportation Systems over to it. Because We Need it, and it is a far far Better System than what we have. It also cuts down fuel cost and The Prices on Every Product in Markets anywhere. Which have all gone up twice and recently again since the 2000s. It also opens up many many many other Product Developments, Industries, Markets, Jobs and Investment Opportunities, leading to many many more endlessly...

I didn't hear any Truth Revealed, just a rambling mess of possibilities.

Before your time maybe but I remember the front page stories

The last place you will learn who killed Jimmy Hoffa is from the movie, The Irishman.

commentator for got to add another popular phrase at that time : ' who shot J.R"?😊

There is a fbi recording of Hoffa saying “no one can touch me as long as (Frank Irish) is with me. I’m bullet proof when I’m with him. No one can kill me with him around.” So I would say yes, he did kill him. Makes sense. Me and my wife got to visit the home that he was supposedly killed in. Got to take pics etc. we also got to go to hoffas office and sit on the furniture (still his furniture) they never changed it. We spent about an hour in his office listening to stories from the lady that showed us in. Me literally rang the bell, told them we came to Detroit to see things about him. The lady let us in and took us on the tour. It was amazing.

The Way I heard Was They Used a Wood Chipper To Dispose of Hoffa's Corpse.

My source says there is no body, something about a wood chipper.

So where is Jimmy Hoffa somebody step up to the plate

Sad thing is that in many ways the actors that played the real guys are just as bad.

He shoulda taken the food and beverage job!

A few interesting things. Sheeran our the author of I Hear You Paint House....lied about killing Joe Gallo because Sheeran didn't kill Gallo. However, Sheeran absolutely did either kill Hoffa or was there. It doesn't matter who pulled the trigger, Buggs, Sheeran...they were both there and involved. Now Big Announcement. Russ Bufalino was my neighbor. When Russ Bufalino stepped down, a gentleman named Big Billy D'Elia took over as boss. Big Billy just wrote a book that comes out in July to set the record straight on the lies Sheeran told in The Irishman. The book is called....The Life We Chose.

Buffalino? No way. This is Detroit and no one tells Joe Zerilli? Only if they want to be sleeping in the lake.

No. But the movie is beautifully shot.

One thing Sheeran didn’t lie about was gabapentin that shit makes you feel loopy as hell..

He’s In The landfill in new Hudson Mi not far from the farm in Milford where he was seen dead by a informant witch is maybe 20 miles from the restaurant he was waiting at he was ran through a wood chipper sprayed into a garbage truck and snuck in in the middle of the night. There was a old man that stayed there in a house and was there to let trucks in after hours while he was asleep they unbolted a old set of gates and snuck in when they noticed the old gate entrance was opened the driver told the man he didn’t want to wake him up at that time the hole in the ground was approximately 200’ deep it’s now called Atchison park and set’s about 100’ higher. He will never be found

This makes me want some Italian food 🫠