Jiraiya VS Orochimaru

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SethTheProgrammer

SethTheProgrammer

7 жыл бұрын

2 Sannin fighting it out, Jiraiya ( Base and Sage Mode ) VS Orochimaru ( Base and Hydra Form ) who's stronger? Who would win and why?
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2 Old Rivals finally fight it out with their full powers, Orochimaru and his massive regenerative powers, intelligence and jutsu arsenal, vs Jaraiya, a Toad sage with massive Power and arsenal of jutsu as well. ( Contains both an analysis Naruto and Naruto Shippuden Lore , does not go over End of Series Orochimaru )
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@Swagkage
@Swagkage 7 жыл бұрын
"Jiraiya held back against 4T Naruto" ??????? Then why would he cite the incident as proof of the strength of the Nine Tails? Not to mention he has sealing/suppression jutsu and said he nearly DIED **debunk megathread**
@rafamoreira7420
@rafamoreira7420 7 жыл бұрын
Swagkage how's it going man?
@Boss-ut8mn
@Boss-ut8mn 7 жыл бұрын
Cited as proof of the nine tails strength because hes saying if it was someone else theyd get cucked duh and he almost died because he cant just throw naruto into the air like orochimaru because he cares. Y'all fools are foolish
@Kenseigan
@Kenseigan 7 жыл бұрын
Swagkage why would he fight Naruto? How would he know Naruto would lose control of himself when he didn't previously in 1T form? He was completely unprepared and obviously not trying to kill
@tr3dawggg
@tr3dawggg 7 жыл бұрын
Swagkage you jiraya fanboy *insert troll face *
@SethTheProgrammer
@SethTheProgrammer 7 жыл бұрын
also I'd like to point out that Naruto could survive being gutted unconscious by Chidori and has insane regen so strong he can basically regenerate entire chunks of his torso. Why would Jiraiya not fuck him up and let himself almost die or simply seal his power again?
@blackwolf100k6
@blackwolf100k6 7 жыл бұрын
To be fair, i'm pretty sure Jiraiya didn't wanna kill Naruto, Orochimaru just didn't give a fuck.
@matthewbustamante5660
@matthewbustamante5660 7 жыл бұрын
BlackWolf100k THANK YOU!!! that was bothering me the whole time!!!
@SasukeUchiha-qg4nn
@SasukeUchiha-qg4nn 7 жыл бұрын
Best argument you'll get
@mattroxursoul
@mattroxursoul 7 жыл бұрын
He could have been caught off guard when that 4th tail emerged. They were sparring I am sure then Naruto snapped. Where as Roach wanted to smack him around either way
@trevorpettibone9147
@trevorpettibone9147 7 жыл бұрын
Yea cuz they showed the flashback at one point and jiraya was just tryng to calm naruto he wasn't trying to defend himself at all
@saccure0128
@saccure0128 7 жыл бұрын
and they actually never say how was the battle, they only say that he almost die but so did orochimaru
@user-xj3bz8wr6e
@user-xj3bz8wr6e 4 жыл бұрын
"Itachi didn't want to fight an ally" *Puts Kakashi under 72 hour torture*
@Diablo510
@Diablo510 4 жыл бұрын
They meant that he didnt want to kill anybody presently there
@user-sn8tz7kh1p
@user-sn8tz7kh1p 4 жыл бұрын
and here comes the deadbrain who didn't watch the last 500 episodes lmao
@user-xj3bz8wr6e
@user-xj3bz8wr6e 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-sn8tz7kh1p I love how you had zero arguments so proceeded to just insult me lmao
@user-sn8tz7kh1p
@user-sn8tz7kh1p 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-xj3bz8wr6e remind me of what itachi's mission was all about and why the dude murdered his clan for?
@user-xj3bz8wr6e
@user-xj3bz8wr6e 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-sn8tz7kh1p Danzo said it's the only way to prevent a civil war thus saving Sasuke. In a nutshell.
@jaylen5273
@jaylen5273 4 жыл бұрын
Orochimaru: Ima learn all the jutsu Also orochimaru: I ain’t gonna use them tho
@CanineLupus0114
@CanineLupus0114 4 жыл бұрын
He lost his ability to perform Hand Seals bro, in his battle against 4T Naruto he could at least be able to throw insane damage to him giving the fact he's a former Akatsuki and suppose to be the "Strongest Sannin among the 3" (This was stated multiple times in the Classic Naruto, I guest Shippuden isn't that kind to Orochimaru to forget this)
@ebros5758
@ebros5758 4 жыл бұрын
Laughs in kakashi
@astral7950
@astral7950 4 жыл бұрын
Of course he would pick the strongest and the ones he is efficient at. If he just use all ninjustu then he would just be wasting chakra. Isn't it obvious that he did that to find more op jutsus not have a stupid variety that drains chakra and is super ineffective. Orochimaru is smart. He probably has 5 times more brain cells to those who can't understand you he just don't bust out any ninjutsu he learned.
@jaylen5273
@jaylen5273 4 жыл бұрын
Tiger bro his snakes did jack shiiiit just like.... raikiri someone or use clones or anythinggg
@astral7950
@astral7950 4 жыл бұрын
@@jaylen5273 read my comment. He did learn these jutsu but no matter how versatile orochimaru is, he still have his combat style. And his combat style isn't raikiri or any jutsu. It's what he uses. Also orochimaru is smart but how do you expect some to make tactics by using different jutsu. In his case, desperate times calls for desperate measures. He bust the jutsu he know if it's life or death but if it's a normal situation he will stick to the jutsu he has full mastery of rather than jutsu he knows how to use but isn't much efficient at
@michaelortiz4228
@michaelortiz4228 5 жыл бұрын
>says itachi didn't want to fight jiraiya because they're comrades. >meanwhile kakashi is being stabbed in a tsukuyomi
@mzr.3620
@mzr.3620 5 жыл бұрын
Jiraiya was Older. so itachi didn't want to fight with him. And Itachi could kill Kakashi in Tsukuyomi.But spared. Because, they are comrades. Itachi is stronger than Jiraiya.
@cursedhinokami4751
@cursedhinokami4751 5 жыл бұрын
I think itachi genuinely didnt want to waste time on a hard fight against jiraiya But with kakashi he had to think fast since he was in a rush
@zuzi9183
@zuzi9183 5 жыл бұрын
U heard that he didn't want to fight him because he was OLDER. But srsly even if he couldn't take them out their fight would gain attention pretty fast, Guy was there in like 5 minutes and with the 7th gate and a few other shinobi that would be it for Itachi and Kisame
@kevinmoney9233
@kevinmoney9233 5 жыл бұрын
Cuz he wanted to know where naruto was he would’ve did the same to Jiraiya just to find him
@souljaboydun
@souljaboydun 5 жыл бұрын
Lol more like it would be more difficult fight with resisting using full power against jairya which might actually hurt him
@rah7866
@rah7866 6 жыл бұрын
One problem in 4 tails mode Orochimaru was trying to Kill him... Jiraiya was trying to suppress the 4 tails without killing him... One is trying to use a precision suppression move. The other is trying to destroy him. You can't compare those two acts.
@simonlemlem9759
@simonlemlem9759 5 жыл бұрын
Lol orochimaru never went for the kill, he was simply trying to gain how much strong is 4t Naruto is
@simonlemlem9759
@simonlemlem9759 5 жыл бұрын
If he wanted to kill him he would never mocked him to make Naruto 4t.
@iamhexoronii
@iamhexoronii 5 жыл бұрын
serial killer psycopath exactly orochimaru was also being defensive and avoid attacks and getting close to him meanwhile Pervy sage was trying to get close to him to put the seal, youre gonna get hurt more leaving yourself open to get close to someone than playing defense and staying at a defense
@Dan-wp2jo
@Dan-wp2jo 5 жыл бұрын
Orochimaru was sick as fuck
@Swaedabag
@Swaedabag 5 жыл бұрын
@@simonlemlem9759 buddy put a two mile sword in that nigga and summon 100,000 snakes with swords. Who aint trying to kill who ?
@esi2823
@esi2823 7 жыл бұрын
Konohamaru (Young) vs. Hagoromo (Prime)
@maizeandblue5102
@maizeandblue5102 7 жыл бұрын
Jake Keith Konohamaru... because that plot armors gonna make him next hokage!
@dusk6159
@dusk6159 6 жыл бұрын
+R3DBL0X Ahhhahahaha
@Corncake1337
@Corncake1337 6 жыл бұрын
Konohamoru Bodies.
@RagingRevine
@RagingRevine 6 жыл бұрын
Seems extremely fair lmfao.
@sumachendominguez2064
@sumachendominguez2064 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe Haguromo will nose bleed to oblivion
@SSjZGogitoTheFighter
@SSjZGogitoTheFighter 3 жыл бұрын
Orochimaru: *Is cut in half* Orochimaru's upper body: *Spits out another Orochimaru*
@horacthy8577
@horacthy8577 3 жыл бұрын
It's actually just a substitution jutsu but orochimaru version
@Venom-rr1vg
@Venom-rr1vg 3 жыл бұрын
@@horacthy8577 What about when he was cut in half and snakes emerged from the sides of his body and put him back together
@horacthy8577
@horacthy8577 3 жыл бұрын
@@Venom-rr1vg it's still a subtitution jutsu just like when shino make himself using bugs
@ObamaSexGaming2007
@ObamaSexGaming2007 3 жыл бұрын
@@horacthy8577 No. That jutsu literally materializes a new body for Orochimaru. Look it up on Naruto wiki.
@pickle-STDS
@pickle-STDS 3 жыл бұрын
yall really forgetting jiraya can also do the same shit with his frogs lol he popped out of a frog in order to infiltrate the rain village. Pretty sure he doesnt do it often because the peeche peechi girls would think hes disgusting
@ronniegardocki7286
@ronniegardocki7286 5 жыл бұрын
"Then naruto like blows up the entire forrest, and orochimarus like "hehe naruto you never seem to amaze me" That shit was funny.
@sugerrayrobinson4105
@sugerrayrobinson4105 7 жыл бұрын
do swagkage vs seththeprogramer next
@johnmaxskene1197
@johnmaxskene1197 7 жыл бұрын
Hussain Shaqour yes great idea.
@polariluma
@polariluma 7 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't be a fight. It would be *SwagKage debunked and SeththeProgrammer Explained*
@cadendaperson6024
@cadendaperson6024 7 жыл бұрын
Madara wins
@gabrieltorres6633
@gabrieltorres6633 7 жыл бұрын
More like Double4Anime vs Forneverworld
@polariluma
@polariluma 7 жыл бұрын
Fornever vs Double4 would result in an unearthly form of autism. Their recent debate increased worldwide cancer levels by 73%
@ArthritisboyHotelTrivagone
@ArthritisboyHotelTrivagone 6 жыл бұрын
SethTheProgrammer: Jiraiya vs Orochimaru Swagkage: Madara wins
@juanmatias5932
@juanmatias5932 5 жыл бұрын
That’s a fact
@EE-UR
@EE-UR 5 жыл бұрын
Also Swagkage: And Itachi loses
@owenwilson882
@owenwilson882 5 жыл бұрын
@@EE-UR haha
@miguelmurphy6259
@miguelmurphy6259 5 жыл бұрын
Madara stompz everything!!!!!
@owenwilson882
@owenwilson882 5 жыл бұрын
@@miguelmurphy6259 no ichiraku Ramen guy does, your statement is inaccurate
@Foreverneverlasts13
@Foreverneverlasts13 4 жыл бұрын
I have to admit based on the eye makeup. The shape of his actual eyes and how in-tune he is with snakes. I thought Orochimaru was always in Sage Mode LOL
@kelvinwebley6971
@kelvinwebley6971 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@radu9135
@radu9135 3 жыл бұрын
Same I just kind of always assumed that
@justterrell956
@justterrell956 3 жыл бұрын
@@shubhamkori23 Orochimaru isn’t a sage........ he literally says so himself. There is only one confirmed Snake/Dragon sage in Naruto; Kabuto. And the next would be Mitsuki in Boruto.
@Anonymous-yh4ol
@Anonymous-yh4ol 3 жыл бұрын
@@justterrell956 That's like Ashoka in Star Wars said that she wasn't a Jedi. Yet, we all know she was. That's the difference.
@reecebertrand1816
@reecebertrand1816 3 жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-yh4ol orochimaru has senjutsu, but he can not initiate sage mode
@marioosoocold485
@marioosoocold485 5 жыл бұрын
Kinda lowballing Jiraya, Plus I like how you said "I like how Madara Bodies both of them" classic swagkage
@user-uj4gy8bt2b
@user-uj4gy8bt2b 3 жыл бұрын
Oro wins though
@Chriscraft-ug3sz
@Chriscraft-ug3sz 3 жыл бұрын
L not in Sage mode
@hoteldelta2453
@hoteldelta2453 3 жыл бұрын
@@Chriscraft-ug3sz do you know anything about orochimaru… he’s literally constantly in a equivalent of imperfect sage mode.. he has infinite amount of sage chakra gained from jugo, on top of his already large amount of chakra reserves, he mastered all 5 chakra natures, mastered all ninjutsu including seals, hes one of the best swordsman probably only rivaled by sasuke, and that’s on top of having the kusinagi blade which was able to hurt the diamond staff (which could push away a complete 9 tails), he has multiple kekkai genkai, (Jugos infinite sage chakra reserves as mentioned before) on top of wood release, bone release, and the iburi clan kekkai genkai (which makes him switch between snake or gas forms) and also last but not least sakon and ukons kekkai genkai, which makes him virtually untouchable, this isn’t even including his hydra form!!! Which is a transformation that mixes the 8 tails dna, sage chakra and a boost from the white snake, and this is all without mentioning his regeneration ability thanks to the hashirama cells, that would help him regenerate health during battle, and don’t even get me started with his boruto regeneration which is comparable to the 10 tails jinchuriki, like it or not, jaraiya just doesn’t even compare, they literally had to seal orochimarus hands to nerf him
@user-uj4gy8bt2b
@user-uj4gy8bt2b 3 жыл бұрын
@@Chriscraft-ug3sz peak oro> sage Jiraiya.
@Chriscraft-ug3sz
@Chriscraft-ug3sz 3 жыл бұрын
L false
@NeutralGuyDoubleZero
@NeutralGuyDoubleZero 7 жыл бұрын
You guys seem to really generalize a lot of things in this video. Jiraiya said naruto transforming nearly killed him because Im pretty sure anyone trying to CONTAIN, not fight or beat, that fuckin thing would get pretty close to death. The fact it has corrosive skin makes capture far more dangerous than simply fighting it. The whole 4 tailed thing isn't even that fair, orochimaru was basically a perfect counter to 4 tailed naruto, aka snake decoys, ranged sword attacks, powerful barriers to help block its massive raw power, meanwhile jiraiya would have to get up close. You cant just rely solely on power scaling to determine a winner. Not every fight between two characters is cut and dry, different strengths, unique abilities all play into each other and you guys flat out ignore that sometimes.
@Langeta-kun
@Langeta-kun 6 жыл бұрын
NeutralGuyDoubleZero good point
@joshxtrbl
@joshxtrbl 6 жыл бұрын
Good point
@Nestle245
@Nestle245 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly it's harder to suppress than to fight a monster.
@owenngobeni5513
@owenngobeni5513 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with you on this one
@huskyharris3767
@huskyharris3767 6 жыл бұрын
I can tell you guys for a fact that if this fight happened, it will end up in a draw. It’s clearly stated in the data book written by Kishimoto himself that Jiraiya & Orochimaru are equally strong. Just think of the Naruto vs Sasuke concept, they ended up in a draw at the end.
@sahilkumar-yz6cl
@sahilkumar-yz6cl 4 жыл бұрын
Mark my words Orochimaru will be the last shinobi Alive at the end of boruto.
@deadmanperipherals
@deadmanperipherals 4 жыл бұрын
Obviously...He's a snake.
@trainsconfigure8016
@trainsconfigure8016 4 жыл бұрын
Kaguya?
@gamesneak5176
@gamesneak5176 4 жыл бұрын
@@trainsconfigure8016 isn't an shinobi
@ryang2v
@ryang2v 4 жыл бұрын
Hidan?
@astral7950
@astral7950 4 жыл бұрын
@@ryang2v can die of starvation and malnutrition.
@RobotFrosstedFLAkes
@RobotFrosstedFLAkes 5 жыл бұрын
i think people forget to realise jiraiya was an older man during his appearances in the series. obviously he was no slouch but he was at the tail end of his career as a shinobi. whereas Orochimaru even though they’re of the same age range and generation you have to put into account that having the luxury of a brand new body probably adds a slight edge in the place of endurance and stamina. maybe this is heresay and makes no difference but I feel like the logic makes sense
@datsracist548
@datsracist548 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!!!
@mightymoeish
@mightymoeish 3 жыл бұрын
It’s kind of a theme of the series, how being evil has its advantages. Orochimaru obviously wouldn’t be getting new bodies if it didn’t make him stronger, let alone weaker. Plus probably has other high-level immoral jutsu.
@jakubabram9606
@jakubabram9606 3 жыл бұрын
Also, he had Hashirama cells which are basically hacks of Naruto
@RobotFrosstedFLAkes
@RobotFrosstedFLAkes 3 жыл бұрын
@3rd Way pretty sure orochimaru has always had access to hashiramas cells since part 1 but whether it was an Idea created yet idk I don’t like to include that idea since it comes so late in shippuden but if you did want to it would give jiraiya an even more unfair disadvantage personally prime orochimaru and jiraiya are definitely even but the versions used in this video show where they’re at during the series jiraiya is basically retired and orochimaru has been planning his coup a majority of his life
@OK-yy6qz
@OK-yy6qz 3 жыл бұрын
@3rd Way no he definitely had access before (he infectedYamato with them back when Yamato was a kid). Know it's arguable wether or not he actually Infected himself with those but knowing Orochimaru I don't see no reason why he wouldn't
@zaluk1041
@zaluk1041 7 жыл бұрын
Only 7 minutes in and there's a lot of vital information missed out. You're ignoring the fact that Jiraiya wasn't intending to hurt Naruto at all, he was only intending to contain him. Additionally, Orochimaru's abilities makes him better equipped to deal with Naruto specifically anyway. "It was a little roofie" No, it was quite a big one. It reduced Jiraiya's effectiveness by 70%. To put that in perspective, Itachi at 30% got beat by early shippuden Kakashi and Naruto. Taking away 70% is quite significant. I implore you to do extensive research into each character BEFORE these videos, because these come off as something that isn't objectively analysed and instead it seems like one huge argument for why one person would beat the other. In this case a huge argument for why Orochimaru >> Jiraiya, at least so far. Kisame and Itachi's discussion is legit. Kisame is by no means a humble guy and considering how widely known Jiraiya's abilities are, him saying that Jiraiya is leagues above him is pretty considerable. Also, Itachi didn't say Jiraiya was better, he just said that if they fought they both may die, even if he had backup from other Akatsuki members. Furthermore, Kisame is also aware of Itachi's abilities, so him agreeing with Itachi's statements is something to be considered. I'm further in the video and you said "naruto blitzed asura path and asura path blitzed jiraiya". You guys know a lot, but I feel since it's likely there's not much research done here, you're unintentionally missing some information and/or context. Asura path wasn't even facing Naruto when he got 'blitzed', he was going after Tsunade. Also, Jiraiya wasn't even aware of Asura path being anywhere around him, so it was less of a speedblitz and more of a surpise attack/cheap shot. Pain saying Jiraiya would have won is legit. Pain had knowledge of Jiraiya's abilities from the start, as shown by when he perfectly countered Jiraiya's starting moves. At this point Jiraiya had 0 knowledge of Pain's abilities, so Pain had an advantage at the very beginning. Additionally, Jiraiya was unfamiliar with the environment, since Pain had a homefield advantage. And I'm sorry, but just because you don't agree with what Pain said, doesn't make it untrue. I think you guys really underestimate Jiraiya. "Jiraiya didn't have a huge bijuu thingy" Well of course, but he does have intelligence. Itachi easily figured out how to counter Chibaku Tensei, so why can't Jiraiya, who's also a genius in combat, figure out how to counter it? TL:DR This video isn't a balanced analysis and there was a lot of misinformation. Please do these videos more objectively, rather than making a video which is just one big argument for why one character beats the other. ""Jiraiya held back against 4T Naruto" ??????? Then why would he cite the incident as proof of the strength of the Nine Tails? Not to mention he has sealing/suppression jutsu and said he nearly DIED" He was warning Kakashi to not let it get to that stage, because it's dangerous lol. Of course its dangerous, how is this a good argument for Jiraiya not holding back? What lethal jutsu did Jiraiya use?
@azhurin8703
@azhurin8703 7 жыл бұрын
Zaluk I AGREE FULLY
@kingjoshua1788
@kingjoshua1788 7 жыл бұрын
Zaluk Swag the Professor Kage being a know it all
@_Zer00_
@_Zer00_ 7 жыл бұрын
Zaluk Glad someone else pointed these things out
@omnipotentelephant1686
@omnipotentelephant1686 7 жыл бұрын
Zaluk they cherry pick too much. Taking away points from Jirai. Pain and Itachi both said he'd give them a run for there money, but they say it doesn't count.
@shivampatil7212
@shivampatil7212 7 жыл бұрын
Zaluk very well said mate ..!
@dw3504
@dw3504 7 жыл бұрын
Explain why Orochimaru and Kisame are part animal
@PeterTheRock3
@PeterTheRock3 7 жыл бұрын
*Yo!* Million dollar question!
@ObamaSexGaming2007
@ObamaSexGaming2007 5 жыл бұрын
Their parents are scalies
@gottaridejiminbeforeyoupar4080
@gottaridejiminbeforeyoupar4080 5 жыл бұрын
Bestiality
@clumsybanana6524
@clumsybanana6524 5 жыл бұрын
Freedom duh....
@TheSwampDragon888
@TheSwampDragon888 5 жыл бұрын
Yea and were they like "hey since I'm part snake/shark I might as well use snake/shark jutsus"?
@ipopdomezii7337
@ipopdomezii7337 4 жыл бұрын
"Orochimaru was stated to be stronger than Kabuto so it's true" "Itachi stated he couldnt beat jiraiya but we don't believe statements "
@doczoid-
@doczoid- 4 жыл бұрын
I dont think Orochimaru is stronger than Sage Kabuto. Dude was fighting edo itachi and ems sasuke. I dont see orochimaru lasting more than a minute in that scenario. But itachi has been consistently shown above orochimaru, who if lowballed is equal to jiraiya. Sage jiraiya got speed blitzed by the asura path. I honestly believe kisame would shitstomp sage jiraiya. Without samehada he forced guy into the 7th gate. I just dont think jiraiya is that strong.
@benreilly4886
@benreilly4886 4 жыл бұрын
@@doczoid- yet itachi could of killed kabuto at any time. He let him live so he could stop the edo tensei
@doczoid-
@doczoid- 4 жыл бұрын
@@benreilly4886 kabuto lasted longer against edo itachi and ems sasuke than orochimaru did vs an itachi who was literally minutes from falling over dead. Sage kabuto is much stronger than orochimaru. I dont doubt that itachi would have won a 1v1 against sage kabuto, but it would be far more difficult than orochimaru.
@doczoid-
@doczoid- 4 жыл бұрын
@@benreilly4886 so in a sense, this proves that jiraiya would get destroyed by itachi 😂
@overcomingsins6334
@overcomingsins6334 4 жыл бұрын
the only problem with Orochimaru is SHARINGAN, it seems like he can't deal with Genjutsu from that eyes! If Orochimaru ever get sharingan via sasuke or danzo , i think he is on madara level
@mattheww4523
@mattheww4523 5 жыл бұрын
Y'all are forgetting that jiraya can summon like at least 8 toads
@thomasbrendle9780
@thomasbrendle9780 3 жыл бұрын
Orochimaru can summon 8 snakes 😂
@hahabrown6596
@hahabrown6596 3 жыл бұрын
@@thomasbrendle9780 toads beat snakes
@triggermaster-proffesional8795
@triggermaster-proffesional8795 3 жыл бұрын
Orochimaru can summon 4 hokages.
@thomasbrendle9780
@thomasbrendle9780 3 жыл бұрын
@@hahabrown6596 snakes eat toads...😂
@thomasbrendle9780
@thomasbrendle9780 3 жыл бұрын
@Mini Crewmate snakes eat toads😂
@GRWLX96
@GRWLX96 7 жыл бұрын
Wait. Hold on. So we can all see that Orochimaru was going all out against the 4-tailed Naruto. He was pulling out lots of Jutsu in order to survive.....but we're gonna say that Jiraiya was going all out against Naruto??? Without using Sage Mode, fuck that without even using Rasengan, fuck THAT without even using JUTSU??? How TF is that "all out"? Oh, OK so Itachi just " didn't wanna fight an ally"....but Jiraiya wanted to fuck up his only student and figurative GRANDSON Naruto??? OK. Makes sense. Seems FAIR. BASE Jiraiya survives against BOTH the Deva Path AND the Animal Path (or are we just gonna forget the part of the fight BEFORE he went into Sage mode???) all whilst not using his arms (because he was gathering Sage energy/energy to summon Ma and Pa)...but you're saying that he nearly died against a 4-tailed Naruto because of his lack of strength/skill??? The same 4-tailed Naruto that couldn't touch "JUST" the Deva Path (whom Jiraiya survived against rather easily) then proceeded to nearly die (by Chibaku Tensei)??? In other words: 4T Naruto < Deva Path < Jiraiya ...but according to you guys: Jiraiya < 4T Naruto < Deva Path Really??? You guys are confused.
@Coffee2024.
@Coffee2024. 7 жыл бұрын
Simon Amaeshike lmao facts
@TheWillszy
@TheWillszy 7 жыл бұрын
Deva Path held back heavily against Jiraiya. The Animal Path was his primary opponent in fact.
@heyarnold7256
@heyarnold7256 7 жыл бұрын
Straight Facts. Jiraiya wrecks.
@erenyeager795
@erenyeager795 7 жыл бұрын
@Michael Lance Jiraya spent his fight against the Animal Path loading sage mode while his toad did the work. His main enemy was Animal + Preta + Human, and he beat them w/o getting hit once.
@Rkader11
@Rkader11 7 жыл бұрын
lmao seth vids have progressively been getting worse lmao
@zaki4800
@zaki4800 7 жыл бұрын
This seemed really biased towards orochimaru. You guys under exagerated how weakened Jiraiya was from tsunades drugs and how badly he lost to 4t naruto. In the tsukuyomi filler arc jiraiya kept talking to naruto while he was trying to gain control of 4 tails he wasnt actually fighting back. thats likely what happend in cannon as well.
@saLym-ym7wu
@saLym-ym7wu 6 жыл бұрын
son goku four tails facts that were extremely biased.
@jarelljames4423
@jarelljames4423 6 жыл бұрын
it's really hard to beat oro. he doesn't even have to fight. he could summon other s class ninja to fight for him and nobody has more Intel than him...
@ssj1k564
@ssj1k564 6 жыл бұрын
NOOB SAIBOT ok which is easier for four tailed Naruto 1. Fighting a borderline immortal ninja with super ranged sword attacks, snake decoys, barriers and he's going for the kill 2. Fighting a ninja who is trying to contain you and isn't really fighting that hard or trying to deal much damage and is mostly talking
@ky5059
@ky5059 6 жыл бұрын
He lost to 4t Naruto is weak? 4t Naruto is stronger then a average 18+ shinobi.
@ssj1k564
@ssj1k564 6 жыл бұрын
Ky The one and only lol ikr and they completely ignore how Jiraiya not trying to kill 4Tail Naruto sea,ed him but Orochimaru about got killed by 4Tails every time he attacked and couldn't even hurt Naruto
@xtreamdream439
@xtreamdream439 4 жыл бұрын
Swakekage and seth the programmer by them self: 🧐🤓 Them together:🥳🤡🗯💢
@polyemphis
@polyemphis 3 жыл бұрын
Clownin around lol
@coronin8587
@coronin8587 4 жыл бұрын
"the whole akatsuki except Konan and Kisame" *cries in Jashinism*
@helixLG
@helixLG 3 жыл бұрын
Well Hidan wasn't confirmed to be dead yet
@theraccoonasaur3282
@theraccoonasaur3282 3 жыл бұрын
Cage Green he probably is though
@helixLG
@helixLG 3 жыл бұрын
@@theraccoonasaur3282 Well I meant at the time the akatsuki were revived
@jamescharles8473
@jamescharles8473 3 жыл бұрын
@@helixLG he dead
@pervysage5609
@pervysage5609 7 жыл бұрын
y'all nerfed me in this video
@hope4josh
@hope4josh 5 жыл бұрын
ronaldo momoshiki
@picklelord2048
@picklelord2048 5 жыл бұрын
Chaos Lord 😂
@arsenai4935
@arsenai4935 5 жыл бұрын
pervy sage lmaoo
@jonathangrimshaw7446
@jonathangrimshaw7446 5 жыл бұрын
Yo help me with tha mission instead of ‘researching’?
@Vishnu-2020
@Vishnu-2020 4 жыл бұрын
Nerfed you soooo much they said yah got beaten by 4 tails kid naruto 😂😂 and author states you can beat nagato
@akumasdeception
@akumasdeception 7 жыл бұрын
Its another Naruto vs Sasuke. Jiraiya has more chakra and raw power, but Orochimaru is more skilled and diverse. Both are sages as well.
@Opinion_Cars
@Opinion_Cars 7 жыл бұрын
akumasdeception exactly
@cringyvlogger1019
@cringyvlogger1019 7 жыл бұрын
akumasdeception Jiraya>Orochimaru
@izunadara1894
@izunadara1894 7 жыл бұрын
akumasdeception orochimaru has always been consistently stronger.
@brick3841
@brick3841 7 жыл бұрын
Orochimaru isn't a sage.
@channinghall248
@channinghall248 7 жыл бұрын
Etherious he is, he just dudnt learn it from toads, he learned it from snakes
@platinum_4942
@platinum_4942 5 жыл бұрын
Itachi didn't want to fight an ally!? He almost killed kakashi! LOL
@tomkinwilliams7298
@tomkinwilliams7298 5 жыл бұрын
lets not forget what he did to his own brother the person he loved the most in the entire world. he beat him like a rag doll and didnt flinch doing it.
@pizza4853
@pizza4853 4 жыл бұрын
Almost killed him exactly. He could have just killed him period. Itachi let Kakashi out of Tsukuyomi to spare him it should be pretty obvious he didnt try to kill him.
@animationcreation7078
@animationcreation7078 4 жыл бұрын
jiraya was needed and they wouldve made a scene if they fought jiraya itachi was scared so he trolled, kisame would fuck jiraya no difficulty even 30% clone is 6th gate guy lvl no way jiraya could handle itachi or kisame
@YuhZnuyi
@YuhZnuyi 4 жыл бұрын
Tomkin Williams because in a way him beating him like that was to show sasuke how weak he still was compared to him and to motivate sasuke to hate more and be stronger
@BurninPhoenix
@BurninPhoenix 4 жыл бұрын
Itachi always escaped whenever Jiraiya showed up. He simply knows he'd die. On the other hand Orochimaru wasn't even anywhere near Itachi which he himself stated. And Itachi stated Jiraiya would kill him along eiyh anyone accompanying him. So think Orochimaru will get stomped by Jiraiya on a 1 vs 1 fight.
@extremelyvividcardgames7890
@extremelyvividcardgames7890 3 жыл бұрын
Orochimaru: Ima learn all the jutzu. Also Orochimaru: Ima use nothing but snake jutzu.
@ObamaSexGaming2007
@ObamaSexGaming2007 3 жыл бұрын
Unoriginal comment
@thescott4340
@thescott4340 3 жыл бұрын
Ha Ha Ha so funny wooow
@jeremywright2693
@jeremywright2693 3 жыл бұрын
Jutsu*
@extremelyvividcardgames7890
@extremelyvividcardgames7890 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeremywright2693 my bad
@akramtulla28
@akramtulla28 2 жыл бұрын
You need to remember that even when a shinobi can use thousands of jutsu they will always stick to their most powerful and effective default techniques cause simply put that is what would help them the most in a real serious fight
@farhanrahman3609
@farhanrahman3609 7 жыл бұрын
All 3 sannin were supposed to be OP but then kishi wanted to make the 1st hokage madara and akatsuki look good so the sannin were downgraded
@viciqus6434
@viciqus6434 5 жыл бұрын
@JJ Kingman probably not itachi. would be a close fight but itachi wins 6/10 or 7/10 times
@owenwilson882
@owenwilson882 5 жыл бұрын
@@viciqus6434 no itachi would lose to jiraiya same with oro, so yeah
@viciqus6434
@viciqus6434 5 жыл бұрын
@@owenwilson882 what lmao. whats jiraiyas counter to tsukuyomi, amaterasu, susanoo etc. we saw itachi go right through one of jiraiyas strongest jutsu
@obisan2266
@obisan2266 5 жыл бұрын
@@owenwilson882 Both stomp Jiraiya
@kanoreese1253
@kanoreese1253 5 жыл бұрын
@@owenwilson882 Agreed!
@SethTheProgrammer
@SethTheProgrammer 7 жыл бұрын
i need that young uchiha body.
@Scoopdiddy
@Scoopdiddy 7 жыл бұрын
SethTheProgrammer only if Madara fits that description.
@coadypaddle919
@coadypaddle919 7 жыл бұрын
SethTheProgrammer i think jiraiya would win
@kingcrimz0n
@kingcrimz0n 7 жыл бұрын
seththeprogrammer does one piece annihilate fairytail?
@Gayandproudtobe
@Gayandproudtobe 7 жыл бұрын
Itachi. Remember the gangwank lol
@clanmcleod7811
@clanmcleod7811 7 жыл бұрын
SethTheProgrammer I feel like this fight is huge on how much Orchimaru can tank because he has more physical feats then jiraya
@frittatas8551
@frittatas8551 5 жыл бұрын
In a SANIN VS SANIN VIDEO: swakage still manages to throttle itachis D for a good 2-3 minutes rofl
@AyeeShaad
@AyeeShaad 4 жыл бұрын
Frittatas Swag is good at riding Sasuke and Madara, not Itachi. Shut yo dumb ass up 😂😂 That shit you said wasn’t even funny 🤦🏽‍♂️
@aleksamilosevic8792
@aleksamilosevic8792 4 жыл бұрын
@@AyeeShaad Swag does not ride sasuke xD.
@AyeeShaad
@AyeeShaad 4 жыл бұрын
Aleksa Milosevic 😐 I hope ur not being serious
@aleksamilosevic8792
@aleksamilosevic8792 4 жыл бұрын
@@AyeeShaad When does he?He is one of the people who does not say naruto and sasuke are equal but that naruto>sasuke.
@AyeeShaad
@AyeeShaad 4 жыл бұрын
Aleksa Milosevic Nigga just because he isn’t bias doesn’t mean he isn’t a Sasuke hypebeast. I wasn’t saying he rides Sasuke in a bad way, just that Sasuke is one of his favorites. Look at his Sasuke vs Madara video. At the beginning he says he is a hypebeast for both characters
@Thund3rDrag0n12
@Thund3rDrag0n12 5 жыл бұрын
So what you're saying is... Orochimaru is a Dark Souls boss.
@deadmanperipherals
@deadmanperipherals 4 жыл бұрын
Dark Souls 3 to be precise, or Manus (DLC of Prepare to Die Edition)....
@xDmankilla113x
@xDmankilla113x 7 жыл бұрын
⛔That wasn't a little *ROOFIE* 💊Jaraiya stated that it reduced his power by 70% and u skipped alot more facts ALOT but I don't feel like writing a essay but this is the first time I think u really fucked up analyzing this fight
@DiamonDust
@DiamonDust 6 жыл бұрын
tbh i think the roofie was more of a handicap than not having arms
@monsak5078
@monsak5078 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh naruto even stated orochimaru was stronger than jiraya and tsunde when he was talking to sakura. Jiraya could still use his like hair jutsu thingy, while orochimaru didn't have a single ninjutsu. All he had was his tounge and neck and sword. Like jiraya is not as strong as orochimaru
@xDmankilla113x
@xDmankilla113x 3 жыл бұрын
@@monsak5078 i didnt say that jiraya was stronger just that alot of the analyzing in the video i didnt agree with. but when does naruto say that? i still think orochimaru is stronger just dont like how the video broke it down
@monsak5078
@monsak5078 3 жыл бұрын
@@xDmankilla113x yea fair enough, I think they could have been more fair. But like orochimaru is factually stronger. Naruto didn't explicitly say it but he yelled at Jiraya during the search for tsunde arc for not trying to kill orochimaru and then the night sasuke left naruto said to sakura the orochimaru is really strong cause he took on both grandma tsunde and pervy sage. I know about the whole drugging Jiraya. But my interpretation is those two statements mean orochimaru is stronger than jiraya.
@jakubabram9606
@jakubabram9606 3 жыл бұрын
@@monsak5078 How tall
@dashswag
@dashswag 7 жыл бұрын
Minato vs tobirama, Minato vs third raikage
@supersaiyajindog9430
@supersaiyajindog9430 7 жыл бұрын
dashswag Minato wins either way
@kris123o
@kris123o 7 жыл бұрын
His flying thunder god technique was just on so many levels better than Tobiramas and his reaction time seemed amazing when he fought the 4th Raikage so I doubt it would be any different vs the 3rd
@dashswag
@dashswag 7 жыл бұрын
There's so many variables in both fights not a clear victory on either sides I want Seth to finally break these down
@dweebpatrol
@dweebpatrol 7 жыл бұрын
dashswag one of many shadow clone Narutos beat the third raikage using only sage mode, Minato would win
@dashswag
@dashswag 7 жыл бұрын
A Loser third was controlled by kabuto, Naruto beat him with his own attack which wasn't necessary and he wasn't fighting with his own intuition. Yet Another variable
@deonmathai873
@deonmathai873 5 жыл бұрын
I think orochimaru is stronger too because of the hydra, The body swapping technique, He even got the first hokage’s cells at the end of the series, And the reaper death seal seal. Plus He’s a genius
@psio5623
@psio5623 3 жыл бұрын
Minato is a genius, itachi is a genius, madara was a genius, sasuke was a genius, kakashi was a genius, i dont disagree that orochimaru is stronger than jiraiya but like the series has to many geniuses
@johnvipe
@johnvipe 3 жыл бұрын
11:38 "Jiraiya was kinda cucked in that situation." - "Yeah, Even Pain stated that." Pain, to a dying Jiraiya: yeah bro, you were kinda cucked in this situation.
@owens7945
@owens7945 7 жыл бұрын
Jiraiya's "imperfect" sage mode is just from absorbing a bit too much nature energy and hasn't been stated to be much weaker than perfect sage mode. Plus with Fukasaku and Ma, it's over man. People sleep on them. That Genjutsu though!!! Wind and water release plus increased mobility with the tongues. My personal opinion is that Jiraiya in sage mode beats Orochimaru. I don't think "base" comparisons matter too much because Jiraiya if he was fighting to kill would for sure use sage mode. Great video guys.
@owens7945
@owens7945 7 жыл бұрын
BryceBryceBaby I agree it would be close but only because of the nine tails. I'd give it to Jiraiya with his ninjutsu that can't be absorbed by naruto + OP summons.
@caimancotton1741
@caimancotton1741 7 жыл бұрын
I agree, I thought of Jiraiya's sage mode as stronger, he has 2 perfect sages and is channeling sage power into him, along with the extra help they offer since they are fighters too. Jiraiya also wasn't speed blitzed, he thought he killed all the enemies and then it snuk up behind him. This video is wonk
@UnholyCry
@UnholyCry 7 жыл бұрын
Owen S actually its stated the Kakashi said to Naruto he has surpase his his teacher Minato so that means Narutos Sage mode is far greater than Jiriaya boy lol
@fistwithmizz352
@fistwithmizz352 7 жыл бұрын
Kyle Griffin so.. surpass means.. there's no comparison.. lmao.. that's a new one.. naruto surpassed jiraiya in absorbing nature chakra.. he never surpassed jiraiya in experience.. jitsu arsenal.. skill.. :/ just having more chakra doesn't mean u r gonna win..
@shadowprovegaming1246
@shadowprovegaming1246 7 жыл бұрын
Owen S but orochimaru has edo tensei .
@Boonefrederick
@Boonefrederick 7 жыл бұрын
Y'all seriously downplayed Jiraya in this video tbh
@Borz-RAI
@Borz-RAI 7 жыл бұрын
when did ever jiraya defeat a kage level shinobi? orochimaru did..... twice
@cringyvlogger1019
@cringyvlogger1019 7 жыл бұрын
Manga Guru Jiraya was easily Kage level man wtf u talking about
@Borz-RAI
@Borz-RAI 7 жыл бұрын
yeah he is, but unlike orochimaru he has never shown superiority against a kage level shinobi.
@erenyeager795
@erenyeager795 7 жыл бұрын
What's the point of saying 'he has never shown superiority against a kage level shinobi' if you accept he's kage level? Showing superiority against a kage level shinobi is just one way to demonstrate that you're kage level. There are other ways to show that your kage level, like pressuring a high kage level ninja, something Jiraya did in the case of pain, while Oro failed in the case of Itachi.
@maizeandblue5102
@maizeandblue5102 7 жыл бұрын
Manga Guru He took on all 6 Pains at the same time with absolutely no intel on his opponent. He killed 3 Pains (although 2 were resurrected), and handled himself VERY well up until the end. He could've escaped alive, but like a true shinobi, completed his mission by gathering intel (such intel being that the real one isn't among the 6 paths, and that they possess the Rinnegan (which includes duel shared vision). Had Jiraiya already possessed full intel on Pain (like Naruto and Co. did), he could've killed at least 4 of the Pains (possibly 5 with the exception of the Deva Path). P.S. Pain was LEAGUESSSS above all the current Kage at the time. Jiraiya could've taken on every *current* Kage at the time of his death (which wasn't even his prime mind you).
@harshjohn415
@harshjohn415 4 жыл бұрын
Well if Orochimaru wasn't immortal, he literally died 3 times even after coming with the intentions of killing. Now this was something you missed.
@jesselee1031
@jesselee1031 4 жыл бұрын
Harsh John -the only thing Orochimaru is good at is dying lol
@chihabbenazzi8008
@chihabbenazzi8008 3 жыл бұрын
He died but the curse mark of sasuke is a part of orochimaru
@MontanaNumba1
@MontanaNumba1 3 жыл бұрын
@@jesselee1031 u guys can’t deal with the fact that orochimaru is stronger smh 🤦🏿‍♂️
@Dj-fb8bs
@Dj-fb8bs 3 жыл бұрын
@@MontanaNumba1 the only feat Jiraiya beats orichmaru is in genjutsu. Everything else Orochimaru is stronger. Orochimaru is stronger then Jiraiya at base😭.
@vincellanes1685
@vincellanes1685 3 жыл бұрын
If Orochimaru wasn't Immortal then he's not orochimaru.
@Melledegroote
@Melledegroote 4 жыл бұрын
17:25 The ashura path didnt speedblitz Jiraiya. Jiraiya thought he won when he put 3 pains under genjutsu but found out the hard way that there are more pain's when Ashura suddenly stood behind him.
@olabaruwa8287
@olabaruwa8287 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!! I feel so pained right now lol
@calmtree6521
@calmtree6521 3 жыл бұрын
Still trash that a sage user can’t sense an random ass dude getting behind him
@Dr.SHAZAM
@Dr.SHAZAM 3 жыл бұрын
@@calmtree6521 no not really...sage mode sensory isn't passive, we get plenty of examples...if u wanna argue jiraiya's sage mode is bad for that instance, keep in mind fukasaku and shima, the 2 greatest sages were also on his shoulders and couldn't sense him
@user-uj4gy8bt2b
@user-uj4gy8bt2b 3 жыл бұрын
That is speed blitzing. Sage mode has sensory abilities and if he can’t sense him that makes him even worse since Naruto baby tapped the same pain. That was 100 percent a speed blitz though.
@user-uj4gy8bt2b
@user-uj4gy8bt2b 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dr.SHAZAM that’s bs since Naruto could sense pain across villages🌚.
@amadddd0
@amadddd0 6 жыл бұрын
Love how you completely down play the severity of a drug made by Tsunade, specifically to take out Jiraya. Way too dismissive on something that becomes a cornerstone of some decisions.
@AyeeShaad
@AyeeShaad 4 жыл бұрын
Yuon Flemming You gotta be stupid
@maxzhao2545
@maxzhao2545 4 жыл бұрын
Even if it was a lethal poison, the Reaper Death Seal is a much more serious curse.
@zak1814
@zak1814 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxzhao2545 dude repear death seal doesn't nerf your chakra as jiriya was unable to even summon his toad in start
@zak1814
@zak1814 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxzhao2545 dude repear death seal doesn't nerf your chakra as jiriya was unable to even summon his toad in start
@amadddd0
@amadddd0 3 жыл бұрын
@asaad khan he only lost use of his arms, not legs.
@detachedmars158
@detachedmars158 7 жыл бұрын
Man I'm not a hater but you guys really downplayed Jiraya. I don't know who will win in a fight but Jiraya will definitely go down nearly killing orochimaru
@revenge3265
@revenge3265 6 жыл бұрын
If Orochimaru had his arms and sage mode...
@alexnelson2942
@alexnelson2942 6 жыл бұрын
Orochimaru can use reanimation and bring who ever that fuck he wants and kill Jiraiya
@huskyharris3767
@huskyharris3767 6 жыл бұрын
All these arguments are pointless, it’s clearly stated in he data book written by the author kishimoto himself, Jiraiya & Orochimaru are equally strong.
@gmoneythegoat750
@gmoneythegoat750 6 жыл бұрын
Remember when orchimaru fought the pains he couldnt land a single hit on one jiraiya took out 4
@huskyharris3767
@huskyharris3767 6 жыл бұрын
gmoneythegoat I don’t remember Orochimaru fought with Pain, unless you’re talking about that game storyline, that was a super short clash. Deva path is the strongest anyway, I reckon Jiraiya wouldn’t land a physical hit as well against almighty push, but Jiraiya has an advantage is he’s a sage and he has the 2 sage toad’s genjutsu. Not try to downplaying anyone, my opinion is Jiraiya and Orochimaru are equally strong, that’s how kishimoto basically stated in the data book. And pretty much the same concept of Naruto and Sasuke is equally strong, that’s how the sannin title works, they’re equally strong.
@Naruto4life6
@Naruto4life6 5 жыл бұрын
"Orochimaru almost seems unimpressed by Naruto in 3 tails and even somewhat laughed off 4 tails". I don't think you seem to understand that at the end of that fight Naruto 4 tailed wasn't even scratched while Orochimaru was on the ground out of chakra.
@treservinnn
@treservinnn 4 жыл бұрын
Ok nah he was only close to death when sasuke killed him
@eastonbarbour6413
@eastonbarbour6413 4 жыл бұрын
@@treservinnn His body was rejecting him he was dying just not as bad of a shape when he fought Sasuke
@thegodkinggoku7851
@thegodkinggoku7851 4 жыл бұрын
His arms were sealed he was already nerfed when he fought 3-4 tails naruto
@TheYolo20
@TheYolo20 4 жыл бұрын
@@treservinnn that's not true dawn Kabuto said that's unbelievable that orochimaru is still alive he should have been dead for days
@TheYolo20
@TheYolo20 4 жыл бұрын
@@treservinnn many people dont understand that orochimaru is not a genjutsu specialist nor a taijutsu. He is without a doubt a nin jutsu specialist
@redheartuzumaki4769
@redheartuzumaki4769 4 жыл бұрын
What makes the most sense to me concerning pains statement is he meant that if Jiraiya knew that the person controlling them wasn't among them, he wouldn't risk his life fighting them and instead look for the one controlling them. And using his sage mode sensory capabilities he could possibly track down nagato with some time.
@oSamsaraa_LIVE_
@oSamsaraa_LIVE_ 3 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who gets it right.
@chinesecovidanalswabs4752
@chinesecovidanalswabs4752 3 жыл бұрын
Correct
@Thatcontroversialguy-
@Thatcontroversialguy- 3 жыл бұрын
WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!!! before I begin my comment I just want to say, I know I am late replying to this but this makes so much sense! I’ve watched the entirety of Naruto and was curious on this as well, this makes so much sense
@silver______
@silver______ 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like if jiraiya just pulled up to nagato all the paths of pain would just bum rush to nagato and then we’d be left with the paths of pain vs jiraiya all over again
@grievingstereo8527
@grievingstereo8527 3 жыл бұрын
Or maybe he would retreat to the leaf village like the frogs told him to, and not throw his life away. Then pain would have to fight Jiraya again, whos around 23% his power Then the hokage tsunade whos abt 20% his power And Kakashi whos abt 13% his power Naruto whos 45% his power And the rest of the leaf, pain wouldn't stand a chance
@thedespicableninja6450
@thedespicableninja6450 7 жыл бұрын
Jiriah wasn't trying to hurt NARUTO though. Orochimaru doesn't give a fuck about naruto so he went 100%
@Theonefrombeyon
@Theonefrombeyon 7 жыл бұрын
How can a man who can't use his arms going 100%?????
@AlekssKingoftrollsxIskanderovs
@AlekssKingoftrollsxIskanderovs 6 жыл бұрын
He was literally smiling and standing while Naruto was attacking him... what are you talking about?
@samadalnawaz469
@samadalnawaz469 6 жыл бұрын
100 percent for orochimaru is when he summons 10 of those snakes he used to attack the village then summons manda and and hydra snake (stronger then sage mode) also summoning the greatest fighters in history also he could use the thousands of forbidden jutsu that he learned through his experiments and also could do extremely well if he did combo ninjutsu with manda
@samadalnawaz469
@samadalnawaz469 6 жыл бұрын
And even more stuff that we don't know of
@dragonlord1935
@dragonlord1935 6 жыл бұрын
samad alnawaz 100% Orochimaru got stomped by an old and withered Hiruzen WHILE he had both his arms AND The First and Second Hokage with him. Now, Either you're saying that that old Hiruzen stomps Sage Mode Jiraiya who fought against Pain or you're admitting that you're wrong.
@blazingphoenix5460
@blazingphoenix5460 7 жыл бұрын
I'm picking sides but I don't think Jiraya went full out against Naruto when he used the fourth tail
@ramonsanders651
@ramonsanders651 7 жыл бұрын
Neither did orochimaru but I do think jiraiya could have stopped naruto in four tails but despite that I still feel ORO beats JIRA lol
@blazingphoenix5460
@blazingphoenix5460 7 жыл бұрын
Ramon Sanders I agree with the video Orochimaru does beat Jiraya I was just saying an opinion
@ramonsanders651
@ramonsanders651 7 жыл бұрын
Blazing Phoenix I agree with ur opinion though
@ramonsanders651
@ramonsanders651 7 жыл бұрын
True Pride I know but I mean without such drastic injuries like he was shown to have
@TerryTerius
@TerryTerius 7 жыл бұрын
Keegan Lee resealing Kurama's Chakra is the same thing as stopping Naruto's transformation. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
@Marukisu15
@Marukisu15 5 жыл бұрын
Jiraiya tried to subdue Naruto, whereas Orochimaru was really trying to hurt Naruto. That’s the difference in this battle. While getting Naruto to unleash his nine tails, Naruto lost control and Jiraiya was caught off guard, trying to get Naruto to calm down. Orochimaru genuinely try to hurt Naruto.
@malikwright1519
@malikwright1519 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh the thing is would it make a difference if nature was weaker or not he still used the nine tales chackra who said that he was using more in the fight with rochi he can’t control it at that time an the nine tales could of been trying to escape harder when he was with jaria Bc of the fact that he loosens the seal so idk if nature contributes to that at all if it’s all nine tales chakra ik ik I fucked up the spelling who cares
@Danamous
@Danamous 4 жыл бұрын
I love how you two have such a great time making these vs videos
@jagibbs1847
@jagibbs1847 7 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂C'mon Seth!! It's Jiriaya The Toad Sage!! Ofcourse my favorite character is stronger than Michael Jackson...
@tripdelic9363
@tripdelic9363 7 жыл бұрын
LMFAO BOI
@DutchStyleBlacclouDs
@DutchStyleBlacclouDs 7 жыл бұрын
Right. He wanted Sasukes body
@jagibbs1847
@jagibbs1847 7 жыл бұрын
DutchStyleBlacclouDs... His entire goal in was to get a young Uchiha Boys Body/ass😂😂
@Ghost10_
@Ghost10_ 7 жыл бұрын
Ja Gibbs I swear I thought I was the only one who saw the "resemblance" lol 😂
@tripdelic9363
@tripdelic9363 7 жыл бұрын
Who shit on your cereal? He was just trynna play around, a joke.
@ninjastorm540
@ninjastorm540 7 жыл бұрын
Okay I gotta “Debunk” some of these things you guys are saying to prove Orochimaru is stronger cause its definitely off. I like your videos but I do notice the tendency to miss key detail and/or exaggerate or downplay stuff sometimes and this is one of those cases. Plus this was a huge Bias against Jiraya. SO many points assumed for Orochimaru yet everything Jiraiya has done was being discredited. Let me break down whats wrong: 1. The Four Tails Fight Point: First you guys don’t know how the Jiraiya vs 4 tails naruto fight went at all you just know jiraiya got really hurt. He could have fought naruto all day then got that wound for all you know so don’t just assume he got beat instantly. Plus you shouldn’t trust some filler fight the anime only made up to decide it. They make up a lot of ridiculous non canon fights. And even if you really wanted to use it he clearly wasnt going all out at all and using only restricting justus. The 4 tails fight with jiraiya proves nothing cause of all I said and of course he wouldn’t go all out against a student who is also his god child and the one he considers the destinded child who will save the world. Orochimaru was out for the kill and that’s why he was doing well. Plus orchimaru could have been as hurt but he clearly was onstantly regenerating and changing his body to avoid the constant death 4 tails brought his way. That’s why he avoided any critical hits. Yes that’s part of Orochimarus move set but that also shows Jiraiya being badly hurt could have been the same for Orochimaru too if not for that. Lastly for this point Orochimaru still don’t beat 4 tails and he was still fucked up after the fight. 2. The death seal Orochimaru vs Drugged Jiraiya fight: I big cause of you guys down playing jiraiyas condition. Yes Orochimaru was heavily weaker thanks to the seal but Jiraiya was weakened to around the same level. It wasn’t just some ruffy after affects like you guys are downplaying. It caused him not to even be able to mold chakra properly at all not to mention affected his movement a bit still. As we see Justsus are to core of Jiraiyas move set vs Orochimaru who has shown to be great with hand to hand fighting the most (despite no hand lol). He was fighting Orochimaru at his own field. Plus at least orochimaru could fight all out (with what he had left) vs Jiraiya who could barely do anything to fight back. Definitely think Jiraiya would win this and not cause of hype or all that but because of everything we’ve seen them actually do in the series. A lot of orchimarus strength after he left was just based of speculation and hype vs what we ACTUALLY seen. Just cause he knows a lot doesn’t mean he wins a fight. Kakaishi knows over 1000 Justsus but does that mean he could beat people like Naruto or sasuke or Hashirama who clearly know way less? Yea no cause it doesn’t prove whose stronger. Ive seen Jiraiya do many moves that I down orochimaru can even counter like the sage sound genjustsu or that Toad stomach summon. Jiraiya just has him beat at almost everthing in sage mode. Power, physicality, summons, Justus etc. Plus Jiraiya has a TON of sealing Techniques to seal his healing. Also there is a cleary bias in this video. I just find it funny how so many key details were said for Orochimaru but barely Jiraiya which clearly showed how much of a bias there was. Like saying itachi didnt mean what he said yet everything that hype up orochimaru is law despite havent seeing most of his other moves. Like assuming Just cause Orochimaru wanted to fight itachi that he could actually BEAT SUSANNO?? come on. Really with out the sword he would lose?!! He just throw snakes at a freaken susanno. Seeing all the feats of a susanno i cant believe that was said. Plus all the other asumptions like "orochimaru can probably do curse seaL". Seriously if its not shown or stated its not a point at all. Yet it is assumed against jiraiya cause you guys want him to lose.....why dont we include more points against orochimaru too like him like barely being able to beat a weaken Third hokagee with two other sumoned Kage (even if they were weaker) that was orochimaru doing all he can to win and still barely did. That shows his full strength isnt all that compared to Jiraiyas full strength against Pain. Lastly I don’t think the Kage Edo tensei should be a factor in this fight cause that’s clearly different from a regular summon and more like making Jiraiya vs orchimaru and the kages vs just orchimaru. It is a move to let others fight instead not himself.
@marinkapetanovic4477
@marinkapetanovic4477 7 жыл бұрын
I think you're right,And when they fought base to base in Naruto, Jiraiya was so weakened by Tsunade he couldn't even summon a large toad,he stated multiple times that his jutsus were really weak he didn't have much chakra,The jutsu he did to trap the snake,Which would trap Manda probably too if he wasn't weakened.
@arpansharma1386
@arpansharma1386 7 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you bro...and I would like to add one more point... he said 8 headed snake could destroy itachi's susano but forgot that before sealing orochimaru he cut off 7 heads in less than a minute...and getting to the facts it is said that susanos are tailed beasts level and one of jiraya's summons (Gamabunta) could temporarily hold down full 9 tails...
@DiamonDust
@DiamonDust 6 жыл бұрын
I agree, I wish they would seem less biased. all the videos i've seen has them overhyping one character the entire video
@Le00chang
@Le00chang 6 жыл бұрын
These guys are way down playing jiraiya.. first, orochimaru can summon edo tensei, but funny enough, a 6v1 strategy was applied to jiraiya when he fought pain and jiraiya showed he is more than capable of singling out one of them by dragging a pain to his own dimension and killing it with the advantage of his own dimension (while lost an arm). then you have the itachi and kisame incident where with a single summoning jutsu, he trapped everyone (including himself inside a toad stomach, meaning even if kisame and itachi kills jiraiya, their are still going to get captured. Compare these two technique, its obvious he has improved by a vast amount since war flashbacks (especially in time-space jutsu) so saying he didnt improve like orochimaru is utter non-sense. then you have the four tails incident, so many people pointed out that jiraiya wasnt trying to kill, and i agree, since if jiraiya was dominated, how did he manage to seal naruto's nine tails chakra. Orochimaru, this guy has wind style, earth style, summoning, his snake jutsu, and his body transformation jutsu. But you put all that together, jiraiya's fire style beats wind style, sage fire style would probably wreck earth style too, orochimaru can spam snake summonings but he never showed any variant of summoning jutsu, jiraiya can summon people and things in and out of dimensions, changing battlefields and so on. orochimarus body transformation is nice, but jiraiya over powers him in taijutsu regardless, only thing left is mystic snake hand which is incredibly fast, so not sure how that might play. orochimaru could edo tensei but like against pain, jiraiya is not dumb enough to always engage head on, rather choose favourable 1v1s in other dimensions. Plus jiraiya showed he is capable of sealing jutsu against amatersu so i see no problem in sealing edo tensei.
@LG-gd7lo
@LG-gd7lo 6 жыл бұрын
Damn nigga you wrote a book!
@hiltereinsweinensneu3673
@hiltereinsweinensneu3673 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting discussion ,and funny ;)ty!
@lonnieholly5219
@lonnieholly5219 5 жыл бұрын
I love your videos together they’re the best
@destroyersfist695
@destroyersfist695 7 жыл бұрын
*Hits Blunt** What would happen if you blocked the Totsuka blade using the Yata mirror? Deep shut bruh
@rhy-me4051
@rhy-me4051 7 жыл бұрын
TheMajinVegetable shit*
@leoki4804
@leoki4804 7 жыл бұрын
Gets blunt passed to, hits blunt* Yeaah dude, immovable object vs an unstoppable force... If you used izunagi before the God tree caught you could you escape the Infinite Tsukuyomi?
@mateogamerrandom
@mateogamerrandom 7 жыл бұрын
Leo Ki No because all izanagi does Is heal you that would be a retarded way of losing an eye.
@mateogamerrandom
@mateogamerrandom 7 жыл бұрын
TheMajinVegetable Totsuka blade probs seals Mirror before it can change or maybe nothing happens
@jarel17-13
@jarel17-13 7 жыл бұрын
I guess they would cancel each other out lol
@jaybook1281
@jaybook1281 7 жыл бұрын
It's complicated cause Orochimaru has literally never went all out in any of his fights. The closest fight he ever went all out on was the Third Hokage.
@chrisserafino2628
@chrisserafino2628 7 жыл бұрын
That One Guy at 7/11 technically he didn't go all out he stood there and let summons fight him while he mocked him. He didn't even fight at the same time as the hokages he summoned. He was standing there the whole fight lol.
@grannerdchannel7865
@grannerdchannel7865 7 жыл бұрын
That One Guy at 7/11 No. He only got serious when his soul almost got ripped out by hiruzen. Thats the only time orochimaru got serious as hell
@bdmatsterrr
@bdmatsterrr 4 жыл бұрын
This is slathered in using supporting info for orochimaru at face value, and explaining away any supporting info for jiraiya. Felt very biased
@torymason5143
@torymason5143 3 жыл бұрын
it was
@exiledknight3961
@exiledknight3961 3 жыл бұрын
They can be biased. I think base Jiraiya is stronger, however 4 th war Oro with near perfect Edo would beat him.
@pizzaguy4625
@pizzaguy4625 3 жыл бұрын
@@exiledknight3961 especially with reanimating the four hokages
@Serjo777
@Serjo777 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, he couldn't even summon the 2 hokages at full strength when fighting Hiruzen, and also they wouldn't be immune to the toad's genjutsu either so...
@lakshuknowmeright9215
@lakshuknowmeright9215 3 жыл бұрын
@@Serjo777 genjutsu doesn't works on edo tensei lol
@jamiefulton4676
@jamiefulton4676 4 жыл бұрын
Seriously biased in favour of Orochimaru. Let's stop for a moment and think back to a couple of scenes. When Orochimaru joined the Atkatski he wanted the eyes of Itachi but was pretty much stopped in his attempts right away with what appeared to be very little effort. We are then introduced to jiraiya and he was able to have both Itachi and Kisame on the run and the statement itachi says states that of they had gone all out both he and Juraiya would have killed each other, even if the number of ninja against jiraiya were to increase, the result would remain the same Then you have the fateful showdown between Jiraiya and Pein and Jiraiya was winning the fight until he was caught off guard having learned Peins secret too late. Pein himself admitted that if Jiraiya had come into the battle with that knowledge then the outcome would have been different, and this was said by a ninja who knew pretty much everything there was to know about Jiraiya. Jiraiya in terms of overall battle prowess and chakra makes him the strongest sannin. Just remember in order to achieve safe mode the proper way (nin of this hand out crap both orochimaru and Sasuke got) requires very high natural levels of chakra, which Jiraiya had and with frog Kumiti (not sure that spelt right) he could blind sight anyone in taijutsu as naruto did against pein.
@pickle-STDS
@pickle-STDS 3 жыл бұрын
True!!!!
@SDHVFS
@SDHVFS 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously biased in favour of jiraya Did you actually watch the video Itachis statement was a lie pain was holding back Literally The dumbest comment ignored every point they made in the video
@pickle-STDS
@pickle-STDS 3 жыл бұрын
@@SDHVFS WTF? Even pain said it was a tough battle. Pain sensed that someone very strong is going to face him. And plus if he knew pains secret prior,he would've prb defeated pain. Did you even see the anime?
@SDHVFS
@SDHVFS 3 жыл бұрын
@@pickle-STDS yes I did But remember pain could not use chibaku tensei or shinra tensei Is most powerful attacks Be honest do you really think he can escape from chibaku tensei
@pickle-STDS
@pickle-STDS 3 жыл бұрын
@@SDHVFS bruh pain can use chibaku tensei and shinra tensei.... And plus jiraya gets an HUGE speed boost from sage mode so it would make sense for him to dodge chibaku tensei
@ArikGST
@ArikGST 6 жыл бұрын
I love that Nagato speaks with his bodies like they are seperate people. Naruto also has conversations with his shadow clones like they aren`t the same person xD
@benmckillop4194
@benmckillop4194 7 жыл бұрын
Do more Orochimaru vs's battles. He is such an underrated character and isn't talked anywhere near enough.
@boozados
@boozados 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@dusk6159
@dusk6159 4 жыл бұрын
Please no, no more shitty wanking of Orochimaru vs people or trash nerfings of Jiraiya vs people, let's avoid these two characters if this is the level of the covering for them.
@lawsroom2877
@lawsroom2877 4 жыл бұрын
Dusk TheHunter you just mad because jiraiya isn’t actually that strong compared to orchi as he pretty much no diffs jiraiya
@dusk6159
@dusk6159 4 жыл бұрын
@@lawsroom2877 Spoken like a true clueless fanboy.
@lawsroom2877
@lawsroom2877 4 жыл бұрын
Dusk TheHunter lol tell me anything that jiraiya can do to beat orichimaru as he can just summon the prievous hokage and it’s over
@Starkill3r1126
@Starkill3r1126 4 жыл бұрын
"Crazy how Madara stomps both of them." Swag you absolute mad lad, you know exactly what you did there 🤣🤣🤣
@jdorion3702
@jdorion3702 4 жыл бұрын
Liturally just watched that fight with naruto and orochimaru with my wife like an hr b4 i watched this lol
@bossrangoon3711
@bossrangoon3711 7 жыл бұрын
I think you guys need to re-watch Itachi vs Orochimaru (8-Head Mode), Itachi decapitated 7/8 heads before using the ability of the Totsuka blade. Implying that: "Itachi would have gotten fucked up by Orochimaru if not for the fact that he had the Totsuka blade" is utter BS, completely wanking Orochimauru. Itachi was in control of that fight from the beginning. The Totsuka blade was simply a convenient plot devise for Itachi to removed Orochimaru/Cursed seal from Sasuke so he could begin focusing on Mangekyou Sharingan abilities.
@xanatos819
@xanatos819 6 жыл бұрын
Mitchell Haller I'm pretty sure they meant that by the time Oroc showed himself, Itachi was already on the verge of death due to his illness. That's why he would have won. Not because Oroc was stronger.
@eVill420
@eVill420 6 жыл бұрын
perfecto
@KCKono
@KCKono 6 жыл бұрын
Mitchell Haller the power of the white snake is regeneration fool. it's a hydra u can't kill it by cutting it's heads off it grows back
@eVill420
@eVill420 6 жыл бұрын
*amaterasu*
@jorcraft1
@jorcraft1 7 жыл бұрын
From the guy that hates on head canon ,you certently used a lot on this vídeo. I mean you assume stuff not stated for orochimaru but use head canon to disprove statements about Jyraia. I usualy like your vids but this one was poorly done.
@Bigpimping-by6yj
@Bigpimping-by6yj 6 жыл бұрын
kid buu lol he’s just saying the truth , they used head canon to improve orchimaru but for Jiraiya they just downplayed him with head canon, the video is not a good as it could have been
@emastermet609
@emastermet609 6 жыл бұрын
Daniel C In what headcannon? Do you even know what headcannon is? Only thing they seem to make uo is orochimaru able to absorb the nature energy and thats it
@wizardboy724
@wizardboy724 4 жыл бұрын
I think Pervy sage was caught off guard by it tbh
@huegue9732
@huegue9732 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t care this vid wasn’t very accurate on some levels My opinion will never change no matter what PERVY SAGE is stronger
@thotslayer7710
@thotslayer7710 5 жыл бұрын
i just dont see orochimaru beating sage mode
@jedy_daya8744
@jedy_daya8744 4 жыл бұрын
Orochimaru singlehandedly threatened the entire village and he freaking killed sarutobi the 3rd hokage
@jedy_daya8744
@jedy_daya8744 4 жыл бұрын
@@shihoblade jiraiya in his full blown sage mode uses those two sage toads who are badass at using sage techniques and genjutsu without them gathering nature energy jiraiya is still strong but won't last long. Orochimaru perfected edo tensei and he summoned 2 kage i think he did it singlehandedly he masterminded everything beginning to end and in an OVA he built a mecha 9tails which was destroyed by mecha naruto. Jiraiya is pretty strong but orochimaru is both strong and sneaky, rods were used to kill jiraiya but that is child's play compared to being sealed in a freaking totsuka blade and he still came back.
@huegue9732
@huegue9732 4 жыл бұрын
jedy _ daya Jiraiya was states to be able to beat pain if he had info, he is stronger than itachi, which was stated by kabuto, but Orochimaru got beat in 3 second by itachi bruv
@eastonbarbour6413
@eastonbarbour6413 4 жыл бұрын
@@huegue9732 pain couldn't go all out and what makes you think an opponent is going to let him sit there for five minutes to go into sage mode
@voce431victor5
@voce431victor5 7 жыл бұрын
I just got here but I'm rooting for jiraiya
@alsuhanehaider6536
@alsuhanehaider6536 7 жыл бұрын
Voce431 Victor me too
@uchihamadara7248
@uchihamadara7248 7 жыл бұрын
Voce431 Victor same
@narutonevergivinup
@narutonevergivinup 7 жыл бұрын
Orochimaru>Jiraiya.
@user-mm9el2vm8i
@user-mm9el2vm8i 7 жыл бұрын
Sasuke & Shōto Fan jiraya >>>orochimaru
@chair3319
@chair3319 4 жыл бұрын
orochimaru is stronger than jiraiya Sage Mode Jiraiya is much stronger than orochimaru 8 Headed Serpent Snake orochimaru vs Sage Jiraiya is debatabIe i have no idea who is stronger
@antmanatx123
@antmanatx123 7 жыл бұрын
jiraiya was not trying to hurt naruto orchimaru was trying to kill him
@ramirak2777
@ramirak2777 7 жыл бұрын
Lil Ant orochimaru was dicking around with naruto
@rhy-me4051
@rhy-me4051 7 жыл бұрын
Lil Ant oruchimaru wasn't even trying to kill him at all he just wanted to test naruto out
@ramirak2777
@ramirak2777 7 жыл бұрын
ObitoTHEwraith. no he wasnt lmao. Orochimaru was dicking around with naruto
@jetmirhamo7840
@jetmirhamo7840 7 жыл бұрын
Amir Granderson orochimaru body was at its limit if they fought any longer orochimaru would lose so stop being a fanboy
@momojjangtwicerist4208
@momojjangtwicerist4208 7 жыл бұрын
Lil Ant Orochimaru didn't want to kill Naruto.
@don8535
@don8535 3 жыл бұрын
Jariya: "I thought you said oroochimaru was in a harmless state!?" Tsunade: "no, I said he was in an *armless* state!" Jariya: "fuck that's different"
@legendhero-eu1lc
@legendhero-eu1lc 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video! All of you friends are super awesome!
@haydeen6535
@haydeen6535 7 жыл бұрын
I did watch that battle and the whole time 4 tails naruto was stomping orochimaru the whole time
@Theonefrombeyon
@Theonefrombeyon 7 жыл бұрын
Hayden Sharp he wasn't doe if it was a stomp oro would be dead
@obezy.
@obezy. 6 жыл бұрын
Hayden Sharp ikr
@duvie1
@duvie1 6 жыл бұрын
Shakur Wright he retreated because he got bored lmao he even states it
@zaynthemane
@zaynthemane 6 жыл бұрын
Duvie He was still being obliterated. Just because he was bored doesn't mean anything. Can you realistically picture Orochimaru winning in that fight?
@ssj1k564
@ssj1k564 6 жыл бұрын
Duvie Orochimaru couldn't do jack to Naruto he even stabbed him with Kusanagi and nothing happened even he was surprised Naruto given time would've exhausted and potentially killed Orochimaru also Orochimaru took many hits he only tanked due to his regen like getting slashed in half
@buddatobi
@buddatobi 6 жыл бұрын
Note that jiraiya beat 4th tails naruto while orochimaru had to retreat
@Jack-nv8uc
@Jack-nv8uc 4 жыл бұрын
Slender Mane orochimaru in a weakened state(almost diying) could contain a 6 tails naruto plus even took a bijudama lmao
@Ravenex2
@Ravenex2 4 жыл бұрын
Orochimaru pushed him out of the fight and Jiraiya suppressed him........neither could continue to deal with yonbi kyuubi Naruto. Orochimaru could at least fight on par with him though, yonbi couldn't put a scratch on him. While yonbi left a giant scar on Jiraiya's chest.
@YT-cq8wp
@YT-cq8wp 4 жыл бұрын
N obviously in base form 🤦🏿‍♂️ didn’t even use Sage mode
@Ravenex2
@Ravenex2 4 жыл бұрын
@@YT-cq8wp Cause yonbi would kill him before he had the 5 minutes to transform. lmao
@vaibhavmadan7125
@vaibhavmadan7125 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jack-nv8uc ,6 tails when
@monarch5655
@monarch5655 4 жыл бұрын
Yo Seth can u do an Ebisu vs Iruka vid?
@samanthabailey6473
@samanthabailey6473 5 жыл бұрын
Jiraiya didn’t even use sage mode on him,he wasn’t tying his best cuz he didn’t want to hurt him
@chinesecovidanalswabs4752
@chinesecovidanalswabs4752 3 жыл бұрын
Durrr that doesn't matter orochiasspull wins!!!/s
@SoulOfRaife
@SoulOfRaife 6 жыл бұрын
5:25 I might be off, havent watched the episode or seen the manga in... a long time. But wasnt Jiraiya only at 30% of his power. Almost positived he did state that, atleast in the anime. Also. Orochimaru doesnt care about anyone. Jiraiya does, so he never fights to his fullest. Dont even think he fought to his fullest against Pain. Not an ubber Jiraiya fan, but i think you all are looking at this on a fanboy base for this one. I do agree with most of your other videos. I do believe Orochimaru would beat Jiraiya, but not in power or skill. Just for the fact that Jiraiya would be taking it easy not wanting to hurt him too bad.
@billgober2
@billgober2 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree
@datsracist548
@datsracist548 3 жыл бұрын
exactly kindve like naruto vs sasuke in Naruto (not shippuden)
@shikamarunara6838
@shikamarunara6838 7 жыл бұрын
Calculating this fight must've been such a drag. I mean seriously what a pain.
@maizeandblue5102
@maizeandblue5102 7 жыл бұрын
Shikamaru Nara Shikamaru > Jiraiya + Orochimaru + Tsunade + Pain + 4T Naruto at the same time! U da rel mvp
@wenweru1
@wenweru1 7 жыл бұрын
Shikamaru Nara lul
@strider_hiryu850
@strider_hiryu850 7 жыл бұрын
Shikamaru Nara so in character, I love it.
@Don-dk6dl
@Don-dk6dl 4 жыл бұрын
I want a supercut of every time Swag has ever said "day-durruh"
@animewhatifs-plusultra7295
@animewhatifs-plusultra7295 3 жыл бұрын
I've watched so many of his videos that now I say that... *ITS INFECTIVE!!*
@lilpan1187
@lilpan1187 4 жыл бұрын
Its crazy that Orochimaru is going to still be alive when everyone dies
@cringyvlogger1019
@cringyvlogger1019 7 жыл бұрын
Seriously u think that Jiraya went full power against Naruto? Seriously that's his student! And Two Arms>Full Body Poison and that's made by fucking Tsunade and Jiraya stomps and Jiraya let his guard down even Asura Path confirms this
@Borz-RAI
@Borz-RAI 7 жыл бұрын
and orochimaru was just fucking around for recess
@Borz-RAI
@Borz-RAI 7 жыл бұрын
he didnt pay shit.... he is an immortal
@windmonkey95
@windmonkey95 6 жыл бұрын
I think it's a bit unfair to say Orochimaru's 8 headed serpent would beat Itachi's susano'o if he didn't have the totska blade and yata mirror because the 8 headed serpant shook Itachi's susano'o literally like 2 minutes before Itachi flat out dropped dead of exhaustion/heart disease after fighting Sasuke to the point of exhaustion. I think it's safe to say an Itachi in his prime, or at least Itachi in the same state he was in but simply didn't literally JUST have an intense battle, would probably have handled the 8 headed serpent's attack much better.
@ssj1k564
@ssj1k564 6 жыл бұрын
Luca DeAdam Itachi does t have to be prime remember how he took off like 7 heads instantly
@tmd-w1552
@tmd-w1552 3 жыл бұрын
@@ssj1k564 they grew back.... instantly 😂
@eastonbarbour6413
@eastonbarbour6413 2 жыл бұрын
@@tmd-w1552 no they didn't
@Nekowhite93
@Nekowhite93 6 жыл бұрын
nah that roofie was on another level lol
@kaynaantheexpert1087
@kaynaantheexpert1087 3 жыл бұрын
awesome
@zwarrior-OG
@zwarrior-OG 7 жыл бұрын
seth propose to swagkage already
@DanTheDoodler
@DanTheDoodler 7 жыл бұрын
I'm pissed I didn't get my notification...
@DanTheDoodler
@DanTheDoodler 7 жыл бұрын
You too?
@DanTheDoodler
@DanTheDoodler 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah man...
@JEEBUSchannel
@JEEBUSchannel 7 жыл бұрын
this is as talking to yourself go see a psychiatrist
@dt3042
@dt3042 6 жыл бұрын
Dan wtf .....you are obsessed with swagkage ......anyway ...I like ya.....I too wrote many comments.ents and people came aroun' blabbering I was everywhere ....hahaah😁😁
@somebodyoncetoldmethatthew7438
@somebodyoncetoldmethatthew7438 5 жыл бұрын
I know
@Alegost1
@Alegost1 5 жыл бұрын
your point with the edo tensei is somewhat while yes he had them under "control" they were more or less running on auto-pilot
@BitchChill
@BitchChill 4 жыл бұрын
Swagkage's Orochimaru impression is perfect
@detective1296
@detective1296 7 жыл бұрын
Just subbed today and love this channel
@rodrickheffley4830
@rodrickheffley4830 7 жыл бұрын
One does not simply kill Orochimaru.
@formeradmiralkuzan4518
@formeradmiralkuzan4518 6 жыл бұрын
ParadockMW Madara can
@trikesforstrikes2014
@trikesforstrikes2014 6 жыл бұрын
TBB should do the trick. Even he said he would die from a direct hit. Oh also Might Guy with the 8th gate would kill him as well
@FurtiveTexts
@FurtiveTexts 3 жыл бұрын
People still arguing after 3 years - Good job
@AnonAnonymousymous
@AnonAnonymousymous 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing how Orochimaru in his 8-headed snake form only shook the Susano’o makes me realise how freaking strong Tsunade is.
@vegetto1426
@vegetto1426 7 жыл бұрын
Jiraiya wasn't trying to fight 4 tailed naruto, he was trying to quell that stage when it happened. If he wanted to, he could have kicked narutos ass with sage mode.
@ramonsanders651
@ramonsanders651 7 жыл бұрын
Still with everything else I think orochimaru beats jiraiya but it wouldn't be easy 💯👍🏿I give u that it wouldn't be easy but orochimaru would win
@vegetto1426
@vegetto1426 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not so sure, Jiraiya could have had other jutsus we never saw.
@ramonsanders651
@ramonsanders651 7 жыл бұрын
Vegetto14 true but the fact we never saw them makes it irrevelant to even mention in a battle that takes place based on what we know and even though ORO has Justus we never seen it can be implied he has many many many more cuz of everything he has done in the series to show that his knowledge and training have never stopped like ever lol and one of hi main goals was to learn every jutsu there is and he even created one
@ramonsanders651
@ramonsanders651 7 жыл бұрын
Jiraiya never shows that he trains or seeks knowledge in anyway after naruto is born or the kyuubi attack happened but ORO has never stopped his progression since he left the village
@shad-o9703
@shad-o9703 7 жыл бұрын
Ramon Sanders what's stopping jiraiya from frog song+odoma rasnegan exactly?
@SourPunchOnline
@SourPunchOnline 7 жыл бұрын
Orochimaru is not even human at this point
@harshmangalam
@harshmangalam 4 жыл бұрын
He's A DEMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
@nerdgaming2935
@nerdgaming2935 4 жыл бұрын
Nobody Them lets make pervy sage look chunin level lmboooo never cease to amaze me about how they buff the person they think wins and nerfs the opponent so much Im not mad that they think orochimaru would win becaue hes up there but to make the pervy sage sound so weak lol
@Eric-bl8lp
@Eric-bl8lp 4 жыл бұрын
Ik they were saying orochimaru "beat' 4 tail chakra cloak naruto and jiraiya almost died but jiraiya can't just kill Naruto but orochimaru has no bond with Naruto so he could
@Eric-bl8lp
@Eric-bl8lp 4 жыл бұрын
@Skrt Skrt it doesn't matter that no statement indicates that it's obvious that jiraiya couldn't try his hardest against Naruto bc he doesn't wanna kill him and just bc orochimaru was interested in naruto having the chakra cloak doesn't mean he wasn't trying and how is the version that jiraiya fought weaker
@sting3398
@sting3398 4 жыл бұрын
Eric C he was literally gonna die wtf?
@Eric-bl8lp
@Eric-bl8lp 4 жыл бұрын
@@sting3398 bc he couldn't use his full strength
@1nsaneme973
@1nsaneme973 4 жыл бұрын
@Skrt Skrt That's a response to all those blind people who think Orochimaru stands any chance against bloodlusted Jiraya lmao. It's funny to me people still think Orochi was the strongest of the Sannin. There is few reasons why jiraya sage mode >> orochimaru:- 1st: Itachi effortlessly humbled orochimaru when he tried to take his eyes. Whereas he didnt wanna fight jiraya. It could mean he just didnt wanna fight jiraya coz he was a leaf shinobi. However if that was the case why would he utterly destroy kakashi the minute before he met jiraya. It doesnt make sense to me. What makes more sense to me is that itachi definitely considered jiraya a more formidable opponent than orochimaru. 2nd: the way orochimaru was always humble in front of pain speaks a mile about his capabilities. Considering how selfish orochimaru always has been, why did he not try to take pain's eyes??whereas Jiraya took down 4 of them while simultaneously figuring out their abilities. In a fight between pain and jiraya, jiraya clearly showed he had both brute strength and variety of ninjutsus when he is serious. 3rd. Everyone brings up how jiraya almost died to 4 tails naruto. But they forget to think why would jiraya try to seriously beat naruto?? It's more likely that jiraya did not stay even on his guard while being around his student!! If anything it shows jiraya survived a fatal attack from 4 tails naruto while not even going all out against his precious student. Whereas same 4 tails naruto was not subdued by orochimaru. Yamato eventually had to step in to stop naruto. 4th. Nerfed jiraya fought orochimaru while at the same time saving tsunade multiple times in their fight in part 1 naruto. Imagine bloodlusted jiraya being at full strength and using sage mode against orochimaru, tsunade wont be needed. 5th. All those jiraya vs orochimaru battles we were shown in flashbacks, clearly displayed how jiraya never fought orochimaru with an intent to kill, however orochimaru always did. There could be more reasons to why Jiraya would stomp orochimaru in a 1v1 however it's been a while since I watched the show!! Only way orochimmaru can win is if we use orochi from boruto series coz there is a very high possibility that in all these years orochi actually surpassed jiraya and thats only because jiraya's progression obviously stopped when he died. The end!
@Aufheben1770
@Aufheben1770 4 жыл бұрын
“Spiky Aloe Fellow” is what I’m gonna call Zetsu from now on
@smiaj3777
@smiaj3777 7 жыл бұрын
"like when people discovered blue and yellow made green like thats some next level shit" LMAOOO
@TheCarbonMirror
@TheCarbonMirror 7 жыл бұрын
As everyone else has said, Obviously Jiraya would hold back against naruto. There's no proof he knows the full extent of naruto's regen ability so it's fair to assume he would start with weaker attacks and move up to stronger attacks. Giving demon naruto enough time to damage him. He states this to show that naruto is difficult to defend against in this state and possessed enough power to damge him that badly. his other example of a time he was near death was from tsunade, who he most likely was not fighting against also and recieved a beating from, what he was saying waas given his durability it was amazing he could be that badly injured. we don't know the details of the cannon fight so for all we know naruto could have sneak attacked him by changing quickly, or the battle could have gone on longer than the one between orochimaru and naruto, and jiraiya would not be attacking as viciously as orochimaru. imagine a child throwing a tantrum. If you want to restrain them to stop, without hurting them you'll probably get hit or kicked in the face which could hurt, but you're not going to hit the kid back with your full force because you could seriously injure them and that's not what you want, you just want to calm them down. Even if itachi convinced kisame not to fight Jiraiya because he was an ally (Though that didn't mean shit for kakashi). I think it still says a lot that kisame did not want to fight Jiraiya even with itachi backing him up, especially when we all know itachi could body orochimaru, and there's no reason to believe kisame doesn't know that. Hell, knowing the way kisame is you would think he'd want to fight jiraiya if he was weaker than orochimaru just to get him out of the way and complete the mission. Did you guys just actually use the fact that "The third hokage was stated to be the most powerful hokage"? First of all that was in his prime, he was an old man when he fought orochimaru. Secondly that statement, while made, is obviously not true as seen from the feats of every other hokage. Hiruzen in part one was probably supposed to be the most powerful, but that changed by shippuden. In fact there's a very obvious change in power scaling and power cannon in part two. Especially seeing how unimpressive the third hokage and sanin become to itachi, who had originally stated that him and kisame couldn't defeat jiraiya, it's fair to chalk that up to Itachi not wanting to fight an ally now, but that was probably a legitimate statement in part one. Or how minato was super hyped in part one but was not as hyped in part two. or how the ninetails in part one was basically an uncontrollable force like a hurricane in part one, but became a controllable entity in part 2 by sharingan users and even the first hokage. Hashirama is obviously the strongest hokage from part 2, but in part one where it was stated hiruzen was the strongest it was probably him, or maybe minato according to hiruzen's fear of orochimaru bringing an edo minato to the battle. regardless you can't use the third hokage's ranking from part one as a way to wank orochimaru because the third hokage did not seem stronger than any of the sannin based off of feats. That snake that "could destroy the susanoo" never showed that ability, and was in fact bodied by the susanoo without use of the spirit weapons. Jiraya had to discover that all the paths of pain were linked, he had to discover their abilities, he had to see how they acted in formation, and see the chakra rods, and figure out what they were doing. He did not know the secret until he was near the end of that battle and was already depleted of chakra and he didn't know that the others he killed would come back or that there would even be so many paths. he had all the odds stacked against him and he dominated considering all of that. saying the deva path out sped him is false. he was not expecting the deva path, the deva path snuck up on him, not out sped him. that's like saying that zetsu out sped madara. A statement you two would crucify anyone for saying. Honestly this was a garbage video from you two, and I really respect your content. You guys just kept trying to force a side like some deathbattle bullshit. regardless i like your content but if you keep this shit up I won't stick around. I look to you guys for good analysis with solid evidence. thanks for all your effort but don't try to skew facts and statements.
@kanoreese1253
@kanoreese1253 6 жыл бұрын
TheCarbonMirror Itachi convincing Kisame that they shouldn't fight Jiraiya because he was trying to protect the Leaf village was an Itachi Fanboy made theory easily debunked in the same chapter in which the theory was made. Ch.144, Kisame was the one that started the conversation about not fighting Jiraiya thus proving Itachi didn't have to convince Kisame of anything! Kisame knew who Jiraiya was(as does most of the ninja world)and knew he didn't stand a chance! Itachi confirms his fears by saying"if we(Kisame and Itachi)were to fight him we would both die"or it would end in a stalemate, even if he(Itachi)brought more backup the result would be the same. Itachi didn't like to kill but he would if it meant staying undercover considering the fact that he was going to kidnap Kakashi to find out what he knew about the Akatsuki and he ordered Kisame to kill Kurenai and Asuma. The only reason Kisame didn't was because Might Guy showed up and it started to get too noticeable and Itachi ordered a retreat. There was no way Itachi knew Guy was coming! Fanboy theory debunked!
@emastermet609
@emastermet609 6 жыл бұрын
TheCarbonMirror Kid...oh my god....you do realize he told naruto to tap into the ninetails right? He PLANNED this stop sucking off Jiriaya for fuck sakes
@abdelkarim8381
@abdelkarim8381 6 жыл бұрын
emaster met He couldn't have know how much can Naruto draw out, plus, still he was trying to contain him, Orochimaru put a freaking sword on his chest and lefted him up...you see the difference? Plus, containing a tailed beast on a rampage would of course be a daunting task for a close range fighter! And don't forget he got the same beating from Tsunade, so that just tells you that being a friend is different than being a foe
@seanchristian7677
@seanchristian7677 5 жыл бұрын
Abdelkarim Alswais how do you know jiraya wasn’t fighting Naruto he said contain that doesn’t mean he’s not going to use any of his powers you have no proof your just saying he’s obviously not going to try to hurt him but have zero proof
@emastermet609
@emastermet609 5 жыл бұрын
Abdelkarim Alswais Um no hes fully aware of what the kyuubi is capable.
@BrettFairchild
@BrettFairchild 3 жыл бұрын
seth plz do a tier list of naruto characters strength
@scazistrue5785
@scazistrue5785 4 жыл бұрын
Adds runs quick smooth with no WiFi perfect crisp video. The actual video don’t even load
@rodneyford8
@rodneyford8 7 жыл бұрын
Of all the vs videos u guys have done, this one makes the least amount of sense
@jylgeekd2498
@jylgeekd2498 4 жыл бұрын
Bro jiriya loses you jiriya fanboy
@peterparker1683
@peterparker1683 7 жыл бұрын
Y'all slept on Jiraiya
@oblivion2674
@oblivion2674 4 жыл бұрын
Peter Parker they wanked Jiraiya
@NarutoUzumaki-vn3sj
@NarutoUzumaki-vn3sj 4 жыл бұрын
Jiraiya just isn’t that strong
@customish
@customish 4 жыл бұрын
@@NarutoUzumaki-vn3sj heh coming from YOU!?
@alfa01spotivo
@alfa01spotivo 4 жыл бұрын
Naruto Uzumaki how dare you
@oMehrcy
@oMehrcy 4 жыл бұрын
Jiraiya is strong but orochimaru is stronger
@matthewcurtis9907
@matthewcurtis9907 5 жыл бұрын
honestly power scaling gets kinda messed up between the two series.
@psio5623
@psio5623 3 жыл бұрын
What if they just make a spin off called “naruto shinobi forces” and just do all the hypothetical battles. Kinda like dragonball super heroes
@neos5432
@neos5432 4 жыл бұрын
simple outcome: jiraya couldnt stop a much weaker orochimaru from leaving the village and jiraya at that time had learned sage mode, wich can mean only 2 things : 1 jiraya is stronger than sage jiraya or 2 he didnt give jiraya the time to go into sage mode. so it dosent matter what the scenario is because baced on this jiraya cant use sage mode or hes still weaker than him. plus were talking about a much stronger orochimaru cause orochimaru is the only sanin that gets stronger over the years while the others get old. FURTHERMORE orochimaru in the boruto series is broken: he now has wood style from taking over zetsu body. also when he switches bodys orochimaru gets to keep the abilitys of the previous body he took over. he also now has KIMIMAROS KEKE GENKAI from absorbing kabutos chakra. all 5 chakra natures wood style boone style , sakons ability , and a million jutsu, orochimaru also has hax regenaration he cant die as long as he has chakra. and by the boruto series 15 years have passed since the war arc wich means he mastered hes newly aquired wood and boone jutsu as well ass mastered A TON OF NEW OTHER JUTSU cause thats hes hobby. and lets not mention edo tensei and the fact that hes even YOUNGER THAN EVER NOW PRIME CONDITION
@fwightweacts868
@fwightweacts868 3 жыл бұрын
Can you even count Boruto? Its such a shit show who cares about it?
@rifaeerasheedh5166
@rifaeerasheedh5166 3 жыл бұрын
@@fwightweacts868 I still dont think orochimaru is that much stronger. Itachi just used a demonic illusion on him and moments after he dispels it, he loses his hand
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