Why are Canadian holidays so controversial?

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J.J. McCullough

J.J. McCullough

2 жыл бұрын

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@supersejkaj3093
@supersejkaj3093 2 жыл бұрын
JJ is really nailing the late 80's gym teacher look. That hair is glorious.
@JJMcCullough
@JJMcCullough 2 жыл бұрын
@@xp8969 Clashing??!
@aaroncatron2306
@aaroncatron2306 2 жыл бұрын
@@xp8969 literally the 80s in a nutshell.
@commonomics
@commonomics 2 жыл бұрын
@@xp8969 the blue shirt matches the blue stripe on the jacket, so it matches in my book.
@slob0516
@slob0516 2 жыл бұрын
I bet he has a late 80s mountain bike.
@LENNARD2ns
@LENNARD2ns 2 жыл бұрын
just need to get him one of those headband things.
@ShortHax
@ShortHax 2 жыл бұрын
Those who think Canada is blameless don't know much about our history. And those who think Canada is terrible don't know much about the rest of the world
@dearsirormadam20
@dearsirormadam20 2 жыл бұрын
Speaking of which, may I ask how come Canada, supposedly the most harmonious nation with a mere 37 million population, is the largest trading partner of the USA, which has 340 millions? Main exports of Canada, the second largest land nation on earth, are land-based natural mineral resources. While less than half a million indigenous Native Canadian people remain the most marginalized and poorest racial and ethnic group in their own beloved motherland. 🤔 For hidden truths, pls read informative multi-pages 'Ole Fella' comment at: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fpyenqSHys3PYJs.html
@Waldzkrieger
@Waldzkrieger 2 жыл бұрын
There's a pretty gigantic statue of Genghis Khan in Ulaanbaatar (Mongolia's capital). Do you think there's ever debates over whether or not to remove that, given his... let's say *problematic*... behavior? That isn't supposed to be some snotty remark about "wow the leftists are insane for tearing down statues of dead Confederates smh" or anything, like I wonder if that debate exists. If Mongolia wants to display itself on the world stage as a fairly stable democracy in a sea of authoritarian nations, would they really want to glorify one of the most vicious imperialist tyrants in world history?
@Ry_TSG
@Ry_TSG 2 жыл бұрын
@@Waldzkrieger There has to be some sort of debate, I would think.
@dunnowy123
@dunnowy123 2 жыл бұрын
This is a spot on comment lol
@TheAmericanPrometheus
@TheAmericanPrometheus 2 жыл бұрын
Ah but you see, its not a culture war when the left seeks to tear down symbols that promote national unity as 'racist' or whatever. only when the right fights back it becomes a problem, and only then can the loud bemoaning and faux exasperation of culture war issues begins.
@Alex_Turner
@Alex_Turner 2 жыл бұрын
as an Albertan who grew up in an agricultural community and has a lot of farmers in my family i was always lead to believe that Canadian Thanksgiving was to celebrate the harvest. it made sense as to why it was celebrated earlier because of how soon winter comes out here.
@australisborealispolaris477
@australisborealispolaris477 2 жыл бұрын
It originally started as an off-shoot of the Harvest Festival (of Thanksgiving) in the United Kingdom. So depending from where you look at the Canadian Thanksgiving, it would be more to do with bountiful harvest goods than anything American/Pilgrim/Indigenous thing.
@rogink
@rogink 2 жыл бұрын
I always assumed US Thanksgiving was a celebration of the first harvest by the Pilgrims. So it's odd that it's celebrated so late in the year.
@clararose1922
@clararose1922 2 жыл бұрын
@@australisborealispolaris477 thanksgiving here in the states most farmers have just wrapped up for the year and got the equipment put away. So our family thanksgiving was always an opening thank you for a good harvest or thank goodness we are done with this year speech from dad. I only ever got the pilgrim crap in school. Which was mid 1990s despite Wisconsin having an Native American teaching act in place that wasn’t being adhered to. I don’t remember learning much about the native tribes despite there being a law to do so.
@australisborealispolaris477
@australisborealispolaris477 2 жыл бұрын
@@clararose1922 The way your family celebrated it seems very in line with the Canadian one, but more importantly with the Harvest Festival celebrated by the UK (and Germany as well). The American Thanksgiving day does share a connection to the Harvest Festival, but it is highly overshadowed by the pilgrim/indigenous truce and the coming together of families (which is heavily emphasized now days). Of course, as you have pointed out, regional realities will have a huge influence as to the shaping of any holiday and how they are celebrated and reminisced by the specific regional folk. There is the objective historical context on one side; and then there is the teaching, business and idiosyncrasies of the moment on the other.
@australisborealispolaris477
@australisborealispolaris477 2 жыл бұрын
@@rogink The Pilgrim and Indigenous truce aspect can push it further in the calendar given that they are long term components of this celebration. Farming is still very much important as it shares it roots with the Harvest Festival from the UK. The Harvest Festival was primarily about the rewards from the hard work put on the land more than anything else. As farming was far more prevalent and of immediate choice and need back then thus deepening its impact. To summarize, the American Thanksgiving day is like the Harvest Festival, but with more things attached to it (and definitely more complex than the Canadian one).
@telankiristyssylinteriasetelma
@telankiristyssylinteriasetelma 2 жыл бұрын
I love how in the Anglosphere national holidays such as Canada day or U.S indepencence day are such happy celebrations with fireworks and bbq, and here in Finland the independence day is a melancholic day of patriotic rememberance on a usually rainy december day spent watching a sad warmovie on tv for the millionth time and criticising celebrty outfits at the presidential reception.
@einarbolstad8150
@einarbolstad8150 2 жыл бұрын
Look to Norway!
@lajya01
@lajya01 2 жыл бұрын
Rewrite your constitution and enact it on a summer day. Problem solved.
@kevinlove4356
@kevinlove4356 2 жыл бұрын
US independence day is not such a happy celebration for the USA's black people.
@kevinlove4356
@kevinlove4356 2 жыл бұрын
@@thepatriarchy819 Slavery was abolished throughout the British Empire in 1833. There is a reason why George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and an absolute majority of the signers of the US Declaration of Independence were slave owners.
@kevinlove4356
@kevinlove4356 2 жыл бұрын
@@thepatriarchy819 What do you mean by "official American union cannon"?
@joshuaradick5679
@joshuaradick5679 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve learned more about Canadian culture and history here in the last 3 months than the first 30 years of my life combined.
@coryb8796
@coryb8796 2 жыл бұрын
Truth
@abemauricio7076
@abemauricio7076 2 жыл бұрын
@@coryb8796 That's kind of a lowbar in'it?
@Rohityourface
@Rohityourface 2 жыл бұрын
Our schools are trash
@coryb8796
@coryb8796 2 жыл бұрын
@@abemauricio7076 It sadly is a low bar. As an American I should have a much greater understanding of Canadian and Mexican politics and culture. In my defense though, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and there is no squeakier wheel in North America than the US
@himesilva
@himesilva 2 жыл бұрын
Same, my parents are immigrants so I identify way more with their culture than I do with whatever "Canadian culture" is supposed to be
@jasonl6130
@jasonl6130 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the United States handles Remembrance Day better by declaring it as "Veterans' Day" making remembering current Veterans the main focus. We have a separate day for remembering war dead, however Memorial Day in the US is more of a day off from work than it is as a solemn day of reflection.
@rparl
@rparl 2 жыл бұрын
Plus low low prices on mattresses. (shudder)
@colbymcarthur7871
@colbymcarthur7871 2 жыл бұрын
I do feel like Memorial Day’s status has diminished over the decades as the world wars fade in importance
@TheAlexSchmidt
@TheAlexSchmidt 2 жыл бұрын
@@colbymcarthur7871 Memorial Day was originally about the Civil War.
@jasonl6130
@jasonl6130 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheAlexSchmidt yes, but the fact that there is a separate day makes Veterans' Day a tad more focused in scope.
@invidusspectator3920
@invidusspectator3920 2 жыл бұрын
Rememberance Day is celebrated in many European countries.
@andrelee7081
@andrelee7081 2 жыл бұрын
Veterans' organizations like the American Legion also exist in the USA. They tend to restrict membership to veterans (especially World War vets, which also gives them a very "old people" vibe). In fact, many of the locations have interiors similar to the ones JJ referred to as outdated. Depending on the community, they can still be somewhat popular. In my town, they host fundraisers and fish fry dinners to help out the local area and preserve some historic sites.
@brucculi349
@brucculi349 2 жыл бұрын
I’d say that’s far better than the Canadian Legion, however, since the American Legion’s membership is restricted to actual veterans.
@bottledwaterprod
@bottledwaterprod 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes VFWs are big in their communities here in the US. I never thought about what veteran culture and war rememberance is like elsewhere. If anyone would like to know more about the VFW, American war culture, and the feud between old and young veterans, there's an excellent King Of The Hill episode about that.
@matthewkane1188
@matthewkane1188 2 жыл бұрын
@@bottledwaterprod Ok
@personwhotalks2049
@personwhotalks2049 2 жыл бұрын
The American Legion post where I'm from mainly hosts Memorial Day services and also sponsors our local Boy Scout troop.
@evansilva3045
@evansilva3045 2 жыл бұрын
I like the old vibe
@SteveRamsey
@SteveRamsey 2 жыл бұрын
That excerpt about Thanksgiving from the New Yorker was fantastic.
@cjhoyle
@cjhoyle 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome crossover! I recognized the voice right away.
@mrainbowgs
@mrainbowgs 2 жыл бұрын
I had to pause the video to check the comments and see if it was really you. How did you end up here?
@cjhoyle
@cjhoyle 2 жыл бұрын
​@@mrainbowgs JJ was recently on one of Steve's many podcasts. Steve is a fan of this channel.
@dunngh
@dunngh 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't trust my ears at first. Surprise cameo!
@ohlordy9680
@ohlordy9680 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! For indigenous Native people, the land is their one and only ASSESS. The beloved motherland their ancestors forebears had lived through thick and thin, endured through hardships of all sorts for so long. With their main ASSESS taken away from them, their IDENTITY, their DIGNITY, their POPULATION and most of all, their FUTURE are all but gone. Imagine this scenario; if Native American people cross the Atlantic, invade and Colonize Europe, and slaughter most Europeans, and put the remaining populations in tiny reservations, for 500 long years. How would Europeans feel about it? Think about it. All they need is their beloved motherlands back, the lands that their ancestors forebears had lived through thick and thin, endured through hardships and all for generations. "We're still here.. We are not going anywhere." ~ Native Americans 🤔 Slavery, Colonialism & Colonization are evil things done, and benefited by evildoers. All they, indigenous Native people need is their beloved motherlands back, the lands that their ancestors' forebears had lived through thick and thin, endured through hardships and all for tens of thousands of years. 😔
@classiccustoms2010
@classiccustoms2010 2 жыл бұрын
"In America, Thanksgiving is bigger than Christmas." *Laughs in Halloween-to-Christmas commercialism*
@scottanos9981
@scottanos9981 2 жыл бұрын
It's just one long orgy of gluttony
@Perririri
@Perririri 2 жыл бұрын
Normie
@Nakia11798
@Nakia11798 2 жыл бұрын
It's the same in Canada though. November hits? Bam, it's Christmas.
@stanbrown32
@stanbrown32 2 жыл бұрын
It's true though, there is maybe a larger culture of going home for Thanksgiving than for Christmas--at least in extended family terms.
@extremumadventura
@extremumadventura Жыл бұрын
In America Halloween is bigger then any other holiday for all ages
@rockethero1177
@rockethero1177 2 жыл бұрын
As a canadian, I never assumed Remembrance Day to be how it's claimed here. I always genuinely saw it as a day of reflection, and even cried several times, not just for canadians who fought and died in war, but all who were effected. It's not "nostalgia" for war. I even HAD an ancestor who was a war hero, whom I was barely able to meet in my toddler days. I really hope other people can feel me on this.
@Nakia11798
@Nakia11798 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I didn't think ANYONE thought of it other than a day of reflection on those who have fought for our country.
@TheRealBatCave
@TheRealBatCave Жыл бұрын
Whats funny is you hear no1 talking about or being upset about the Pensions Act that was taken away from veterans in 2006, and was promised to be given back in 2016, everyone forgets until u need another war fought for you.
@phosphoros60
@phosphoros60 2 жыл бұрын
"He seemed to imply immigrants can't wear poppies. He is stepping down immediately." is the most Canadian controversy 😂
@Misherman
@Misherman 2 жыл бұрын
*can’t be bothered to
@marshallscot
@marshallscot 2 жыл бұрын
States something completely obvious and true, fired immediately.
@robertortiz-wilson1588
@robertortiz-wilson1588 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@kevinlove4356
@kevinlove4356 2 жыл бұрын
@@louisd.8928 Don Cherry has a right to freedom of speech. And broadcasters are in business to make money. People watch Mr. Cherry because they enjoy hearing his latest incendiary comment. Rest assured, if nobody watched him, he would be immediately fired.
@MrAlen6e
@MrAlen6e 2 жыл бұрын
@@louisd.8928 I mean times we're different and his talks cater to a certain audience it wasn't until the broader Canadian public found out about it that them it became a controversy and personally I couldn't care less about his opinion as a " you folks " I have wear Poppy's every day .
@dragoncat3499
@dragoncat3499 2 жыл бұрын
As an American, the main problem I see with Canada's Rememberance Day as it only seems to be about the World Wars and not about the other wars Canada fought in. Rememberance Day should be rebranded to include ALL of the wars Canadians lost their lives in, not just those two, which are growing more and more distant and their veterans are either dead or in their 90s.
@carfreeneoliberalgeorgisty5102
@carfreeneoliberalgeorgisty5102 2 жыл бұрын
The Royal Canadian Legion plans a lot of the Remembrance Day commemorations and since they predominantly focus on the world wars and Korean war that is what gets commemorated.
@ToastieBRRRN
@ToastieBRRRN 2 жыл бұрын
Think it is. Well in the UK it is.
@davidshillaker7578
@davidshillaker7578 2 жыл бұрын
The national memorial in Ottawa has memorials for the Korean War and other major wars our country fought in as well.
@kevinlove4356
@kevinlove4356 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidshillaker7578 As can be seen by the weapons, equipment and uniforms, this is a WWI memorial, entitled "The Response." After WWII, the government debated a WWII memorial, but was too cheap to actually pay for one. So they altered the WWI memorial to include all subsequent armed conflicts.
@hdufort
@hdufort 2 жыл бұрын
Should we remember our involvement in the Boer war, where young Canadians were sent to die of dysentery and to guard the very first concentration camps?
@earlystrings1
@earlystrings1 2 жыл бұрын
“Simply doing an American thing in a way that is slightly different than what is done in America is usually enough to give something a sense of meaning in Canada.” Oof! 🤩
@josephmunning4890
@josephmunning4890 2 жыл бұрын
As an American I really love Thanksgiving in the US. I don’t know how much the narrative of pilgrims and Indians really matters to the holiday. For me and most people I know it really is about being thankful as family and as a society with what we have. I suppose my friendly neighborly advice to Canadians would be to embrace such a holiday as a holiday of gratitude. Gratitude is a healthy thing for a society to have. While I think it is important for both countries to work on addressing issues about racism and treatment of indigenous peoples, society also needs time to reflect on things to be thankful for positive things we’ve accomplished as well. Only focusing on the failings of society seems to me just as unhealthy as being jingoistic and ignoring injustices that need to be addressed.
@Simon-tc1mc
@Simon-tc1mc 2 жыл бұрын
Prefect comment.
@JonahNelson7
@JonahNelson7 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I definitely don't mythologize it with the pilgrims Native American thing, it's just a day where we get together and are consciously thankful, as I suspect for most
@Sucharush31
@Sucharush31 2 жыл бұрын
At this point there aren't really any Americans holding onto the idea that Thanksgiving is about celebrating some fake historical event about the people the settlers slaughtered. There's certainly a large group within the American right that denies any wrongdoing amongst the settlers, thus justifying the original intentions behind holidays like Thanksgiving and Columbus day, but for the most part Thanksgiving is just about eating a buncha food and tolerating your extended family briefly.
@jongoodwin5936
@jongoodwin5936 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sucharush31 What are you talking about? At least half of the American population believes in the Thanksgiving story of the Pilgrims celebrating a bountiful harvest with the Indians! It is definitely an idea that is not going away!
@KairuHakubi
@KairuHakubi 2 жыл бұрын
we know the broad strokes happened, and it's a lovely story of people working together to not die.
@spinalcmp
@spinalcmp 2 жыл бұрын
Its funny because newfoundland had a war memorial day on July 1st which got overwritten by Canada day, so the atmosphere of Canada day in Newfoundland is extremely somber and tragic as opposed to jubilant in the rest of Canada. Newfoundland also has a bunch of other holidays that are not celebrated in the rest of Canada.
@JJMcCullough
@JJMcCullough 2 жыл бұрын
I think Newfoundlanders should celebrate Canada day on July 1.
@ToastieBRRRN
@ToastieBRRRN 2 жыл бұрын
Well they were independent from Canada for a couple of decades.
@-haclong2366
@-haclong2366 2 жыл бұрын
Newfoundland wasn't admitted to Canada until the 1950's, so that makes sense.
@spinalcmp
@spinalcmp 2 жыл бұрын
@@ToastieBRRRN ye I know I’m a Newfie lol
@ToastieBRRRN
@ToastieBRRRN 2 жыл бұрын
@@spinalcmp Mean to reply to JJ
@SamAronow
@SamAronow 2 жыл бұрын
The idea of "veteran culture" being "old people culture" is very foreign to me as an American, for obvious reasons. My uncle served in Vietnam, and I entered adulthood with many friends who had served in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now I live in Israel, where military service is mandatory and military service in general has ironically come to be associated with youthful immaturity (but the memorial day for fallen soldiers is _extremely_ serious and also inclusive of civilian deaths). I know Canada has not been absent from global conflict since the World Wars, so perhaps the issue is not so much one of remembrance itself being inherently backward-looking, but a failure to recognize it beyond what you describe as the standards of the British Empire.
@martinboote8175
@martinboote8175 2 жыл бұрын
The 'problem' so to speak is the 37 year gap between the end of the Korean War and the start of the Gulf War. The only armed conflicts Canada was involved in during that period was some contributions to the UN and the Whiskey War (which is hilarious, to any unfamiliar). So it'll likely be a decade or so yet if ever before Gulf War vets get into enough power in the Legion to try and change it to be more focused on modern wars. The other problem of course is that the World Wars and Korea are seen as much more unambiguously 'righteous' wars in terms of Canada's involvement, where the wars in the middle east and eastern Europe are seen as more morally ambiguous.
@forthrightgambitia1032
@forthrightgambitia1032 2 жыл бұрын
It's because the world wars, and I'd say the first world war, was so devastating to countries in the British empire (and Britain itself). Gallipoli to the Australians and New Zealanders, Vimy Ridge to Canadians forged an identity quite separate to Britain and at some level induced a skepticism of the British empire. In Britain the loses in battles such as the Somme and Passchendaele were so brutal and involved such astronomical casulties that I think on some level the country (even today) remains stunned by it today and nothing else compares - except of cause WW2 and the blitz and the sense of the good war as a tonic against the sense of WW1.as the ffutile war.
@SamAronow
@SamAronow 2 жыл бұрын
@@martinboote8175 Don't forget the October Crisis!
@alexresa9039
@alexresa9039 2 жыл бұрын
I've never heard of a county called Is-reel do you mean Palestine
@bobtheduck
@bobtheduck 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexresa9039 Nah, Palestine was a bogus name the Roman government came up with because they /just couldn't/ with that region
@Rose-ec6he
@Rose-ec6he 2 жыл бұрын
I love how you always try and shed light on many perspectives on a topic even if you don't agree with them
@kimarous
@kimarous 2 жыл бұрын
I tend to miss out on any controversy on these holidays, since with my close-knit family, it's more "enjoy a stat day off and spend some time reflecting on family history." My mother's side of the family being post-WW2 Dutch immigrants, so our personal Remembrance Day is more focused on discussing/reflecting on my grandparents' struggles during WW2 and respecting the Canadians that helped liberate the Netherlands (having immigrated out of gratitude).
@ferretman6790
@ferretman6790 2 жыл бұрын
Dont forget about the Canadian Guy That Liberated an entire Dutch City Single-Handed.
@daanwillemsen223
@daanwillemsen223 2 жыл бұрын
As a Dutchie WW1 memorials are kinda odd to me. Thousands of Europeans were send to their deaths by some blood thirsty nobles who want to fight a war, and we praise the veterans effort in a total wrong way
@MPKush
@MPKush 2 жыл бұрын
@@daanwillemsen223 I totally agree with you, the memorials are all focused around saying how honorable they were to fight for their country. In reality, they were just dragged into a bloody mess simply because a random arch duke had died. It should have never happened.
@MPKush
@MPKush 2 жыл бұрын
@@DingDingTheKZfaqBuddy I am aware that Arch-Duke Ferdinand wasn’t just any old Arch-Duke, I just didn’t want to type out a long paragraph explaining more. However, you must understand that the Serbian government neither supported nor condemned those that killed the Arch-Duke. So they really sort of did get themselves involved by not separating themselves from these extremists. The only reason I commented this is because this is a common trend in countries that were victorious in the war. We simply celebrate this horrible event as a holiday. Especially in America and Canada. Our veterans are treated like real life superheroes for killing foreign soldiers. And in my opinion, that is just sad.
@octavianpopescu4776
@octavianpopescu4776 2 жыл бұрын
How did Westerners conclude war was bad? I think in Eastern Europe we still tend to have a more... accepting view of war and in this regard it feels like only Americans are relatable from the West.
@Waldzkrieger
@Waldzkrieger 2 жыл бұрын
Question for Quebec-based JJ fans (all five of you): Is Remembrance Day at all a big deal in Quebec? With all the British symbolism it seems like it might be a bit of sore spot with French Canadians. If you still do stuff, do y'all focus less on WWI/WWII?
@mat9739
@mat9739 2 жыл бұрын
It's a more smaller Holiday, but it is still celebrate. I don't like british symbolism, but i still have a huge respect for veteran (especially ww1/ww2). In general all the stuff arond the armie is smaller, like my brother is in the army and when he go to a other procince, he often have discount on stuff, but i have never seen it in Québec.
@hibber2249
@hibber2249 2 жыл бұрын
Another unique Qubecism is that most places in Quebec actually give you the choice between taking your holiday on Canada Day or Saint Jean Baptiste, most of the partying happens on Saint Jean Bapitiste and all the public things like the Canada Day cake take place on Canada day.
@corruptedcola393
@corruptedcola393 2 жыл бұрын
@@mat9739 As a brit, it's honestly quite jarring to see. The display of union jacks, especially, felt out of place and horrifically dated.
@ifeeltiredsleepy
@ifeeltiredsleepy 2 жыл бұрын
Rememberance day is still celebrated in Quebec. It is often a misconception that Quebecers were more opposed to WW1 than other Canadians, but actually Quebecers had similar rates of support than other Canadian born Canadians, the disproportionate support for WW1 in the rest of the country was due to large parts of the population being either born in the UK or first generation British-Canadians. It's still taboo to speak poorly of veterans in Quebec. Now Victoria Day in Quebec is replaced with a provincial holiday, Patriot's Day, that celebrates the rebels against British government in the Lower Canada Rebellion. It used to be Dollard Day, celebrating the French-Canadian colonial folk-hero Dollard-Des-Ormeaux, but it was replaced when his mass slaughter of indigenous people was made more public.
@martingiguere1202
@martingiguere1202 2 жыл бұрын
Quebeckers are grateful for the service & of French and English Canadians alike during both wars HOWEVER, what they really HATE about it, is the fake discourse surrounding it. The assumption that Quebeckers didn't enroll when in fact they enrolled just as much as english canadians. As well as the fact the WW1 was the old empire's war, a war they never asked to be part of and voted against at the time
@keithvincenttucker9923
@keithvincenttucker9923 2 жыл бұрын
There is a reason that Remembrance Day focuses heavily on WW1 and WW2. Its simply about the scale of the wars and the effect they had, not only on soldiers, but un civilians, as well. During WW1 the population of Canada was around 8 million. 650,000 served, 172,000 were wounded, and 61,000 died. As a proportion of the population, it would have had a massive effect. It would be rare to find a Canadian that did not directly know someone who served, or was injured or killed. The story for WW2 would be very similar. Everyone knew someone involved. In Afghanistan, however, 40,000 people served and 158 died. With a population of 34 million at the time, most Canadians would not have known anyone involved. It hardly effected most people who watched it on the news, and for those who didn't pay attention to the news, it basically was like it wasn't even happening. In addition, the treat during the world wars was far greater than it was during more recent wars and conflicts. Even if the Germans had taken all of Europe, and stopped, the effect on us would be profound, since we were still heavily tied to the UK. Still, veterans from any war, or conflict Canada has been involved in, deserve our highest respect. Likewise for people who have served in our military, but who are not veterans of any wars. Without a military, you cannot have a nation, or, at least, you cannot have one for long. On the topic of poppies, any color but red is completely unacceptable. Why? Simply because tradition has value. Just because you can change something, that does not mean you should. This is not true for all traditions, but for many it is. Now, to be a bit more controversial. Canadians should also be thankful for the American military. They spend a ton of money on their military, and that has allowed us to spend far less. They have a vested interest in having a friendly neighbor on their longest border, and, as such, will immediately come to our aid in the event of any incursion into our territory. The rest of the world knows this, and, thus, does not threaten us.
@KairuHakubi
@KairuHakubi 2 жыл бұрын
and we know you've got our back too.
@ellieblunden1463
@ellieblunden1463 2 жыл бұрын
@@Boredoutofmywits and? Those are peoples parents and grandparents. Most people in Canada know people who have served in both wars.
@danicad.3278
@danicad.3278 Жыл бұрын
WW2 also took place on our territory. The Battle of the St. Lawrence involved the entire coastal population of Quebec. German U-boats were patrolling in Canadian waters, sank over 20 merchant ships and four Canadian warships. There were several near-shore actions involving the drop of German spies, or the attempted pickup of escaping prisoners of war. 340 were killed on Canadian soil. As you said, the population was much more involved/impacted during those two wars.
@Perrygallo
@Perrygallo 2 жыл бұрын
Remembrance Day is about remembering the individuals, the soldiers themselves, not the glorification of war. It is essential we remember their sacrifice and the duty to one's country they displayed, no discussion; to debate removing these themes is to disrespect our war dead across the globe. That's how we've been looking at it in Britain for over a decade with services and documentaries showing more recent conflict victims as well to combat this view of nostalgic oldies, and yet Canada's continuous efforts to distance its heritage continues to unsettle me.
@rockethero1177
@rockethero1177 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly how I felt. I would uncontrollably burst into tears from how cruel and destructive the wars were. I wasn't crying because WWI Ended. I was crying because WWI Started.
@bryangarcia8325
@bryangarcia8325 Жыл бұрын
En México sucede lo mismo con su historia, al querer no darle significado histórico suficiente que debe tener. Por ejemplo la revolución mexicana ha sido el conflicto civil más sangriento en el continente al tener casi 2,000,000 de muertos y un número similar de heridos. Asimismo, mucha gente reniega de sus raíces Hispanas siendo que México tiene tres orígenes culturales: Los nativo americanos, españoles y de los esclavos que trajeron a la Nueva España durante la etapa colonial.
@mahatmarandy5977
@mahatmarandy5977 2 жыл бұрын
"The Canadian Fact Ministry presents, 'It's a Canadian Fact.'" "Did you know that Canadans celebrate Thanksgiving at the beginning of October, and yet Americans celebrate it at the end of November? That means we must have invented it because it comes first. Did you? It's a fact!" "Brought to you by Can-Fax, the Canadian Fact Ministry" --- SCTV, 1982
@KairuHakubi
@KairuHakubi 2 жыл бұрын
I imagined that cute redhead from that Kids in the Hall sketch who runs up and tells you a fact.
@mahatmarandy5977
@mahatmarandy5977 2 жыл бұрын
Alas, It was Eugene Levy. But Catherine O'Hara did one too (about Niagara falls), and she's pretty cute and has had red hair on occasion, so, sure, why not? :)
@alexdreFalke
@alexdreFalke 2 жыл бұрын
JJ is one of the few people on KZfaq who make really high-quality, educational content with expertise in the field. Your coverage of the topics is really differenced and logical, keep it up!
@LuukJSnijder
@LuukJSnijder 2 жыл бұрын
My family came to Canada from the Netherlands after WWII, I’ve always appreciated Remembrance Day through that lens, the Netherlands was liberated by Canada. I think all three of these holidays are beneficial, not to say Canada is or was perfect, but to show gratitude for what blessings we have today.
@louisgray3479
@louisgray3479 2 жыл бұрын
Here in Germany, Thanksgiving, or "Erntedank" (lit. 'Harvest Thank') is celebrated on the first Sunday of October or the first Sunday after the 29th of September depending on the church. If the region is dependent on something harvested on a different date, the date of the holiday may vary accordingly. It doesn't involve this American tradition of family dinner, it's just a church holiday to celebrate the harvest. There are usually decorations on the altar or next to it in the form of harvested wheat, fruits and flowers, often formed into beautiful pieces of art. For example crowns are a common theme. In other places it's just an old wagon wheel filled with harvest products. Which harvest products are used for the decorations depend mainly on the local agriculture. The holiday is not celebrated everywhere, mostly in rural communities.
@daveunbelievable6313
@daveunbelievable6313 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds identical to the English Harvest festival, mainly church thing, we sing about thanking for the harvest
@robertortiz-wilson1588
@robertortiz-wilson1588 2 жыл бұрын
American here, I usually go to a Thanksgiving Mass the Sunday before. Sometimes there are festivals, but that seems to be increasingly saved later for Christmas. They're still around.
@woltews
@woltews 2 жыл бұрын
is there an equivalent to nov 11th in Germany ?
@davidjackson6475
@davidjackson6475 2 жыл бұрын
For Remembrance Day I think expanding it to include more modern veterans like the Americans did would be perfectly fine. Thanksgiving has almost been completely forgotten as far as I've seen; I think in part to Halloween and Christmas' commercial overreach. Canada Day could also be expanded upon to include our far less savory history like opening local events with one aspect and closing with the other.
@carfreeneoliberalgeorgisty5102
@carfreeneoliberalgeorgisty5102 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if the modern Canadian military is worth celebrating considering all the sexual harassment scandals that have happened in the past year or so.
@sullafelix649
@sullafelix649 2 жыл бұрын
Typical liberal, painting a the entirety of a large group of people with the same brush, based on the actions of a tiny minority of that group
@abdisaniini
@abdisaniini 2 жыл бұрын
@@sullafelix649 Literally everyone does that...
@davidjackson6475
@davidjackson6475 2 жыл бұрын
@@James-zg2nl I'm saying it in a more officialized and media coverage sense. Over the years I've only ever seen World War coverage on Remembrance Day.
@serbansaredwood
@serbansaredwood 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Remembrance Day should be about remembering the horrors of the wars and thinking, never again. Turning it into this weird militaristic thing that honours veterans is wrong. War should not be celebrated. All the remembrance day ceremonies have soldiers covered in medals when they should be just wearing poppies.
@rodionmalovytsia1020
@rodionmalovytsia1020 2 жыл бұрын
The way you described the discussion around Remembrance Day resembles a MUCH more milder version of the discussions around the celebration of 9th of May in Russia, it's former territories and the russian ussian-speaking diaspora. The point about veterans=old people is especially poignant because that is how many people of my and my parent's generation stereotype what a veteran is, even though since then there have been lots of wars in this part of the world. At least you don't have an aging autocrat who has made the holiday a loyalty parade to his regime. P.S. As a slav, i respect you Adidas game, JJ.
@MPKush
@MPKush 2 жыл бұрын
Amen to that. As a Ukrainian, I completely agree with what you say.
@neilc.8368
@neilc.8368 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not one to question about why we have our own version of Thanksgiving, I just want some damn good turkey. And the fact that it’s early in October the same month as Halloween goes to show why October is my favourite month.
@mjr_schneider
@mjr_schneider 2 жыл бұрын
The reason why we have it in October is because our harvest season is earlier in the year because we're further north than most of the States. I'm glad we do, because November 25th is in the dead of winter in most of Canada.
@alexleclair9840
@alexleclair9840 2 жыл бұрын
I'm grateful its in October simply because we usually have snow on the ground come October here in Alberta. Not really much of a fall/autumn celebration.
@cashcleaner
@cashcleaner 2 жыл бұрын
To answer JJ’s question, I think above anything else it is Canada Day which has received the most overblown backlash. I’m a pretty progressive guy, and I was truly disheartened by the discovery of the residential school graves these past years. But as I remarked to others while discussing Canada Day, surely there can be at least one day of the year - one day out of 365 where we can enjoy ourselves and celebrate living in a country such as Canada. Certainly not a perfect nation, but one where tens of thousands of people immigrate to yearly specially to escape war, poverty, and oppression.
@ryanward5770
@ryanward5770 2 жыл бұрын
I will never understand how people were shocked by the discovery of the Graves. Like we all knew a ton of people were taken, abused and a large portion died. Why are people surprised they found dead bodies?
@RandomDudeOne
@RandomDudeOne 2 жыл бұрын
Thanksgiving in the US is popular for one reason because it is always on a Thursday, and most employers give Friday off as well so you get a nice big fat four day weekend out of it.
@WanukeX
@WanukeX 2 жыл бұрын
I would agree, Canadian Thanksgiving always had a very "Going through the motions" feel in my childhood. In my family, we would always get together with the cousins and grandparents at least once every 3-4 months, and Canadian Thanksgiving always just fit in a good spot between Christmas and a summer Get together.
@selalewow
@selalewow 2 жыл бұрын
You pretty much nailed it. It is a day off between the Summer and Christmas. The whole family get together is less of a deal since many Canadian families get together whenever they want anyway. Forcing families together is not really a thing. If you don't like your relatives, you just avoid them.
@Hamsteak
@Hamsteak 2 жыл бұрын
Also the "Discovery" of Child graves isn't actually new, but was known for many years. Just the blinders have come off and people are accepting it as a tragic reality
@anthonylipke7754
@anthonylipke7754 2 жыл бұрын
I hope for a historically accurate representation of the failures. The tragedy even in its own time was enough without todays sensation.
@Hamsteak
@Hamsteak 2 жыл бұрын
@@anthonylipke7754 I hate it when politicians and the media always have to twists things to their narrative
@Nakia11798
@Nakia11798 2 жыл бұрын
That's not fully correct. Many more have been discovered since
@Hamsteak
@Hamsteak 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nakia11798 that is true, but how the media portrays that all this is brand new is wrong and misleading. But I agree, they do find more and more unmarked Graves every month.
@anthonylipke7754
@anthonylipke7754 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hamsteak googling unmarked graves filled the results about indigenous school graves. Didn't see anything about other disease related or anything like prison or war graves. As it would seem there should be some concern for those too. More modern and contemporary to those schools for context.
@DaMelloKittyy
@DaMelloKittyy 2 жыл бұрын
An interesting perspective on Canada day comes from newcomers. My parents came from Peru in 1989 and are extremely grateful to this country due to the rights, access to resources, and genuine opportunity they've never experienced before. My parents drilled into me a deep love for modern Canada and not much attention at all to its history. I became personally conflicted about my feelings towards Canada Day after I visited a reserve for the first time. It really felt like I was in a different country even though I was just an hour away from the town I grew up. It blows my mind how the same country that can save the lives of millions from around the world can't provide clean drinking water to the people it committed genocide against.
@carfreeneoliberalgeorgisty5102
@carfreeneoliberalgeorgisty5102 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if there's anything that unites Canadians other than a shared insecurity/anxiety about American cultural, economic, and political influence over us. Ironically for a country that claims to uphold the liberal ideals of free trade and multiculturalism, we're weirdly xenophobic towards the United States.
@Islamphobe
@Islamphobe 2 жыл бұрын
I never understood why we aren’t just xenophobic to everyone
@carfreeneoliberalgeorgisty5102
@carfreeneoliberalgeorgisty5102 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackbenny4458 Multiculturalism has been great for Canada.
@carfreeneoliberalgeorgisty5102
@carfreeneoliberalgeorgisty5102 2 жыл бұрын
@Lucas De Araújo Marques the US is not a bigoted country though. The US has long prided itself on the idea that people from countries around the world can come to America seeking a better life and become rich and successful in the process. It's what the American dream is about. Many immigrants come to America because they want a better life for themselves and their children.
@remen8021
@remen8021 2 жыл бұрын
CarFreeNeoliberalGeorgistYIMBY you clearly haven’t looked at anything the republican party is saying about immigration then, or the reactions to earlier waves of immigration from non-england parts of europe.
@jonhanson8925
@jonhanson8925 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I don't know what unites America anymore either. I mean, we do share a lot, but unfortunately one of the things we seem to share most deeply is a strong sense of hatred/disgust/fear of our domestic"opponents"
@kingofcards9516
@kingofcards9516 2 жыл бұрын
Most of those problems sound petty and something Twitter would drum up.
@brangrah1717
@brangrah1717 2 жыл бұрын
100% imagined, Twitter-centric, non-troversy, needlessly deconstructionist bullshit! Sorry JJ
@FredoRockwell
@FredoRockwell 2 жыл бұрын
I've always assumed Canadian Thanksgiving was in October because it gets way too cold by late November. Kind of like how the Grey Cup Championship happens in November while the Superbowl doesn't happen till February. (I'll go download Ground News now, by the way)
@jetfan925
@jetfan925 2 жыл бұрын
At least on an occasion, the High Holidays for the Jewish people.
@alexleclair9840
@alexleclair9840 2 жыл бұрын
Most Thanksgivings we already have snow on the ground here in Alberta.
@FredoRockwell
@FredoRockwell 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexleclair9840 Can I suggest Alberta have its own provincial version of Thanksgiving then? Perhaps in late August? 😀
@wleebraz
@wleebraz 2 жыл бұрын
My mother used to take us around on poppy day collecting donations for veterans. I am from California. My dad was a WW2 vet in the Amercan Legion. It's not just a Canadian/British thing.
@icarue993
@icarue993 2 жыл бұрын
Is it a national holiday in the states? Maybe its a tradition, more practiced by the families that had people serve in WW1/2?
@wleebraz
@wleebraz 2 жыл бұрын
@@icarue993 Poppy Day is Veteran's Day, the same as (originally)Armistice Day, a national holiday. We were all in it together. "We did it before and we can do it again." Look that up.
@icarue993
@icarue993 2 жыл бұрын
@@wleebraz Google didnt help... (asking since I am your southern neighbor. Closest thing we have is day of the death).
@wleebraz
@wleebraz 2 жыл бұрын
@@icarue993 It`s a song from WW2. Referring to beating the Germans before and doing it again. Same Allies against an even wider geographic enemy. I thought you were Canadian (North) not Mexican (South). La Dia de La Muerte, is a celebration of ancestors who have passed on to the next life. Poppy Day is for the soldiers who gave their lives on the battle field, originally for WW1 but now for all the wars (in Los Estados Unidos, at least.)
@icarue993
@icarue993 2 жыл бұрын
@@wleebraz its the closest, but definetly not related. Nice to have some background
@galanthusknits
@galanthusknits 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in BC (born in the mid-90s) and I was always taught that Thanksgiving was literally just a festival to celebrate the harvest and give thanks for it. It's celebrated earlier because winter comes earlier in Canada.
@gamingclips3.06
@gamingclips3.06 2 жыл бұрын
We have a similar controversy around Australia Day however it's made even more controversial by it being a celebration of the beginning of British colonisation rather than when we became independent.
@PakBallandSami
@PakBallandSami 2 жыл бұрын
random person: canada is just mini usa canadian government: so you have chosen death
@chrismcmichael1242
@chrismcmichael1242 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the way JJ shows how people in the US and Canada are a lot closer linked mentally than we at first think we are. The phrase, “not many Canadians know the history of the country” absolutely resonates with me. I live in the Colorado and most people who live here seem to think that the Hispanic people that live here now immigrated after white people or are in some other way illegals. No one ever thinks about how Colorado used to be part of Spain for a good long while. Or how part of the state used to be Mexico. Anyways, keep up the great work on fun and engaging topics please! :-) -subscribbled-
@Nakia11798
@Nakia11798 2 жыл бұрын
Just like Canada likes to pretend that we didn't have a BUNCH of different races come into the country hundreds of years ago. Newfoundland is a great example. There's Irish, Scottish, British, Aboriginal, French, etc. descents, all having existed there for hundreds of years. Most of them are white, yeah, but we can't pretend they didn't have different cultures that played varying influences on what the province is today.
@SoleCardona
@SoleCardona 2 жыл бұрын
You are amazing. I love your videos because I can educate myself about my beloved Canada. Hugs from Montreal 😊
@lukegarrity3591
@lukegarrity3591 2 жыл бұрын
When I was 13 years old I was in cadets and I’ve honestly done over 60 hours of community service as a CHILD. Because I had nothing but respect for the people I thought were “veterans”. Come to find out that 90% of them were probably just these “over decorated civilians” who people mistake for vets. I can’t believe I gave those legions as much free labor as I did. And I wouldn’t have done it unless my thought process the whole time was “I’m helping these veterans who are less capable than I, because they are the only reason I stand here free today” come to find out only a small handful of those men were actually veterans who actually deserved their praise
@jotaux3652
@jotaux3652 2 жыл бұрын
As a Canadian living in Canada, I had no idea there was controversy over these holidays.
@NSJonesy94
@NSJonesy94 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a video about the Maritimes someday. Feels like we're often forgotten about down here.
@neilc.8368
@neilc.8368 2 жыл бұрын
Suprised you never brought up Victoria’s day since even when we don’t realize why it’s called that or why we celebrate a dead queen’s birthday, we just find this as an opportunity to light up fireworks.
@MissionHomeowner
@MissionHomeowner 2 жыл бұрын
Victoria was cool.
@TeamPomme
@TeamPomme 2 жыл бұрын
Victoria's day is not celebrated in the entire country, in Québec, it's Patriot's day and instead of celebrating Queen Victoria, we celebrate the 1837-1838 Patriot's Rebellion
@anitamariaa
@anitamariaa 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video as always and I look forward to new Saturday JJ posts. I always learn something I didn't know and it's so impressive the time and effort you put into your content. So, thank you! In case you didn't know you are very much appreciated! ❤🙂
@duckdictator6531
@duckdictator6531 2 жыл бұрын
Man I had never considered what war remembrance and veteran culture is like in other countries, I always assumed it would be similar to the USA. Here, there is not near as much clash or conflict between young and old veterans - I remember seeing a younger Afghan or Desert Storm vet greet a Vietnam vet at a gas station on a summer day in Oregon, saying “Welcome Home” to the Vietnam vet. The older vet reciprocated and they sat down and talked for a while. I remember it as touching, especially considering the view that many hold or held of Vietnam veterans.
@Waldzkrieger
@Waldzkrieger 2 жыл бұрын
To me it seems that Canadian/Commonwealth "Remembrance Day" would be like if the United States mashed together Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Veterans Day is, of course, intended to honor living veterans of American wars be they WWII vets, Korea vets, Vietnam vets, or Gulf War/WoT vets. And then Memorial Day (which was meant originally to commemorate Civil War dead IIRC) honors specifically those killed in action or taken as prisoners of war. I think when compared to Remembrance Day, these two holidays are able to continuously evolve because they aren't necessarily tied to the traditions/customs of a single war or time period. Like the US still has the American Legion/Veterans of Foreign Wars involved in ceremonies for these holidays (and the former is pretty old-fashioned still, from what I can tell), but there isn't this sort "frozen-in-amber" effect like what you see with Remembrance Day and WWI/WWII nostalgia. And no one (unless it's a very specific "our armed forces over the years" kind of celebration) is wearing Union kepis or WWI-style uniforms at celebrations/events.
@willrobinson4976
@willrobinson4976 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of Americans don't know the difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day, they just know it has something to do with veterans. As a veteran myself, I'm treated with thank you for your service and free stuff on both Memorial Day and Veterans Day. I've been often asked the difference, especially by the younger people and some middle age people as well. My neighborhood VFW and American Legion serve BBQ lunch, and hot meals to veterans on both these holidays, and other times during the year. They provide free tax service for veterans, and help veterans get military compensations.
@bernardsulman1506
@bernardsulman1506 2 жыл бұрын
In Australia the main date for remembrance is 26th April (ANZAC Day) which is also a public holiday. November 11 is an ordinary day, except for a pause for 1 minute silence at 11 am, and then it is back to work. Politicians and dignitaries attend ceremonies and lay wreaths, but the general population don't.
@arrgghh1555
@arrgghh1555 2 жыл бұрын
@@bernardsulman1506 25th
@bernardsulman1506
@bernardsulman1506 2 жыл бұрын
@@arrgghh1555 Sorry for the typo. 25th is indeed correct, and what I meant. Guess I should learn to proof-read.
@mjr_schneider
@mjr_schneider 2 жыл бұрын
I would say American Thanksgiving is way more controversial than Canadian Thanksgiving, mostly because of the historical mythology built up around it. In fact, many American holidays, like Columbus Day and Independence Day, have become extremely politicised in recent years to a far greater extent than these Canadian holidays.
@NuncNuncNuncNunc
@NuncNuncNuncNunc 2 жыл бұрын
Columbus Day was born out of politics so it hasn't exactly become politicized.
@knightshade2654
@knightshade2654 2 жыл бұрын
@@NuncNuncNuncNunc Very few Americans outside of Italian communities saw Columbus Day as anything other than a Monday off of work. It has always been a holiday for Italian-Americans, which is more social than political.
@The_king567
@The_king567 Жыл бұрын
That’s just ridiculous people they get upset about those holidays are just idiots
@Joker-no1uh
@Joker-no1uh Ай бұрын
Independence Day? I've never in my life seen someone say something about Independence Day. Maybe in commiefornia, but that's the only place I could imagine. You would get hurt trying that in the South or Midwest.
@Moonlitwatersofaqua
@Moonlitwatersofaqua 2 жыл бұрын
"Canadians don't know much about their own history." So bold of a statement yet so true. I'm American and I feel that most all of my American friends can recite their country's history pretty easily. My Canadian friends can never do the same for Canada. Its interesting.
@willfakaroni5808
@willfakaroni5808 2 жыл бұрын
Well they consume so much American media that they can probably better recite American history than there own
@JoyInTheLight
@JoyInTheLight Жыл бұрын
As an American, a Black one, this cracks me up. Most Americans I know can only recite certain history, but usually are missing a lot because U.S. has a history of lying to the masses. Regular citizens get upset hearing something so truthful and shocking for the the first time. Then the powers that be will try to discredit those who dare mention the truth
@NeophyteGD
@NeophyteGD 2 жыл бұрын
Here in New Zealand, we have two holidays for remberence. November 11th, Armistice Day is about the many Kiwi soldiers who died in the First World War. But we also have ANZAC Day on April 25th which has become a holiday used to commemorate all New Zealand and Australian soldiers who died in combat, served in combat or are currently serving. ANZAC Day holds a much more significant idea as it's a holiday that shows the brotherhood between the Kiwis and Aussies, the one day where we put our jokes aside and remember those who fought under our flags. April 25th itself is the day the ANZAC Troops landed in Gallipoli beach in WW1, a battle seen as one of the biggest in our history.
@peterj.teminski6899
@peterj.teminski6899 2 жыл бұрын
"Backwards looking" is not so bad, for without history we are doomed to repeat. It is nice to see the increase of attendees at ceremonies. Cheers.
@spaceylacey83
@spaceylacey83 2 жыл бұрын
As long as we're not so caught up that we're walking backwards, too.
@terranaut3314
@terranaut3314 2 жыл бұрын
I'm Canadian, and I always thought Thanksgiving was a harvest celebration. Because its right around that prime time of harvesting potatoes, squashes, hunting season, etc. It comes after a fruitful summer and acts as a fattening festival in preparation of those loooong canadian winters. I find it a rather significant part of our culture in that way. Being thankful for a bountiful harvest just lights the way through those dark winters. And Christmas connects with it as a Solstice celebration, when we finally get over that hill, and the sun starts coming back, and adding more minutes of daylight until summer.
@juniper4009
@juniper4009 2 жыл бұрын
In Newfoundland, July 1 is not only Canada Day, but also Memorial Day. Which is our own “remembrance day” to commemorate WW1 Beaumont Hammel, where the Dominion of Newfoundland basically lost an entire generation of young men, known as the Royal Newfoundland Regiment
@ambeatch
@ambeatch 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I love remembrance day. It is my favorite Holiday and I believe it is very important. That being said I did not know some of the issues behind the legion. As a history buff I love the focus on history and deffently don't think we should forget the past but also I undertand some of the issues this creates. Great video
@gerardacronin334
@gerardacronin334 2 жыл бұрын
JJ is correct about the Legion. I knew a few people who were involved and they were not veterans. It was basically a social club.
@xavierdugas-frenette2469
@xavierdugas-frenette2469 2 жыл бұрын
Here in Quebec we have a weird relationship with Canada Day. Our provincial holyday is on the week prior (June 24th), so on Canada Day many use the holyday to move in and out or their house/apartment. It became kind of our moving holyday. If you start renting an appartment, in most cases, the lease will be effective starting July 1st to reflect that.
@stoney5137
@stoney5137 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly thought the only reason why Canadian Thanksgiving was in October instead of late November was because it's already cold AF in late november and the holiday has more of an Autumn feel to it.
@DataLal
@DataLal 2 жыл бұрын
Also, because November is practically part of the Xmas season already, and September has Labour Day, so having a national holiday in October called Thanksgiving makes sense.
@JesusRamirez-fb4hc
@JesusRamirez-fb4hc 2 жыл бұрын
I saw the title and instantly clicked wondering if JJ would bring up Don Cherry’s infamous rant. Was not disappointed. Edit: awesome to hear the voice of Knowing Better!
@JeremyRatzlaff
@JeremyRatzlaff 2 жыл бұрын
Ah I LOVE this. Favourite video of the year, easily. You've done so much to help this prairie-dwelling millennial Canadian understand the weird quirks of this odd country we live in. Wishing you the best of holidays and new year!
@brokebankfishin4839
@brokebankfishin4839 2 жыл бұрын
I love you J.J. but you’re wrong about American Thanksgiving being “patriotic”. As an American i can firmly say I was never taught thanksgiving was to be patriotic. Thanksgiving is a time to be grateful for what you have, the family and friends around you, and the joys you find in yourself. Thats not patriotic.
@Astrolime
@Astrolime 2 жыл бұрын
As a Canadian haven't heard of too many of these holiday controversies.
@Nakia11798
@Nakia11798 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard controversy about Remembrance Day, but mostly bc of the Don Cherry thing.
@collenmiddleton7396
@collenmiddleton7396 Жыл бұрын
what a fantastic segment - can't believe I'm so late to discover your channel!
@Stjernefodt-
@Stjernefodt- 2 жыл бұрын
My spouse and I were in Vancouver in mid-October back in 2012 for our honeymoon. As Americans, we were completely unaware of a Canadian Thanksgiving prior to traveling, and were interested to know more about it. We asked several people along the way how it was celebrated, and the answer was invariably "the same as American Thanksgiving." The answer to the question of what it's about caused a bit of confusion with the folks we asked who mostly didn't have an answer, though one or two did say a general "The Harvest," which seemed to suffice.
@commonomics
@commonomics 2 жыл бұрын
Thanksgiving originally celebrated harvest. It was a meal. It doesn’t represent native genocide.
@spoon1291
@spoon1291 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest I find the idea of celebrating our war heroes to be less supporting the troops, and more glossing over the stupidity of armed conflict, especially our roles in WW1 and in Afghanistan, as if we really wanted to support the troops, we'd support programs that actually helped them instead of saying the words, only to decide against funding any kind of aid that could help them readjust to peaceful society.
@arielklay23
@arielklay23 2 жыл бұрын
Hi JJ! ☺️ As one of your southwestern neighbor (I am a native Californian), I found it amusing you used a scene from "A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving" in background in the closing seconds, since it has an American *November* staple on our television screens since it first aired on CBS (*Columbia Broadcasting System) since 1973). 😉 Nice Easter egg there!
@CeeJayLerod
@CeeJayLerod 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how you presented both sides, especially regarding the Remembrance Day conversation.
@MattWhitehorn
@MattWhitehorn 2 жыл бұрын
The equivalent to those Legion places here in Australia, the RSL, has a similar reputation of not being that helpful for modern veterans, but even worse is that their clubs generally just become venues for slot machines - so they get seen as a place where the elderly just go and gamble away pensions, with the positive spin on it being that at least the profits support the charitable causes of helping veterans. The Canadian equivalent seems slightly more harmless in that regard.
@loopylollypop27
@loopylollypop27 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, don't come for Thanksgiving (as it celebrated sans lore in Canada). I love it's "blandness," actually. Nothing beats a nice meal simply because you have some time off and have family together. To focus solely on gratitude can make for a rich time of contemplation, especially around a time of year where the autumnal colours are at their height in several parts of the country. It's (by a large margin) my favourite holiday.
@kurtistwynstra664
@kurtistwynstra664 2 жыл бұрын
As a Canadian farm kid I was raised to understand thanksgiving simply to be celebrating the bountiful harvest. However my dad was rarely there because our thanksgiving is too early and takes place while the harvest is ongoing. And ironic humour which made me always think the Americans were smarting for their timing
@rkozakand
@rkozakand 2 жыл бұрын
I am from Detroit, and we hold a joint celebration with Windsor Ontario every summer on the closest weekend to the 1st and 4th of July. We call it the International Freedom Festival, the fireworks are shot over the river, and there are great views of them from both sides of the border. I dont think there is a similar celebration anywhere else.
@avaevathornton9851
@avaevathornton9851 2 жыл бұрын
Growing up in the UK I always got the impression that the poppy and Remembrance Day were very much meant to emphasise how bad war was, not to glamourise it.
@CanadianMonarchist
@CanadianMonarchist 2 жыл бұрын
That’s the impression I got growing up in Canada.
@samanthabell1448
@samanthabell1448 2 жыл бұрын
Love this video! I would like to see your take on the recently introduced "holiday" Family Day (in Ontario - i know it's called other things in other provinces... if observed at all).
@Alex_Plante
@Alex_Plante 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 56 years old, and I've seen the prominence of those holidays change over my lifetime. Canadian Thanksgiving has never been as big a deal as US Thanksgiving. It's often just a convenient 3-day weekend for getting a lot of garden work done. I didn't realize what a big deal Thanksgiving was in the US until the 1990s when I worked for a company with mainly US customers. Then I realized, with a shock, that in the US Thanksgiving is the main holiday where people travel to visit their families (whereas Christmas plays that role in most Western nations). When I was growing up the the 1970s, there were still many very old World War 1 veterans around, and most WW2 veterans were middle-aged. As I was in the Scouts, Remembrance Day was a big deal for me, and I took part in the annual parade and remembrance ceremony at the cenotaph. Today there are few WW2 veterans left, and Remembrance Day commemorations have become noticeably less predominant. My town stopped having parades three years ago, a move reinforced by the pandemic. I remember before the mid-1970s Dominion Day was also a rather relaxed holiday, but with the rise of Separatism in Quebec, the Federal government began to pump large amounts of money into Dominion Day / Canada Day celebrations. In Quebec we have St-Jean-Baptiste and Canada Day a week apart. St-Jean always seemed to be the more "sincere" holiday, and Canada Day rather fake and forced, but even in recent years, with the decline of the Separatist movement in Quebec, St-Jean has also seemed to be rather fake and forced. By the Way, St-Jean is a very ancient pagan holiday celebrating the summer solstice, that was first appropriated by the Catholic Church, then in Quebec, more recently, appropriated by the Separatist movement. That's a holiday that I would like to see return to its traditional roots, where people would just make a big bonfire in every village or neighborhood and sing and dance around it all night. It was still like that 30 years ago in rural Quebec.
@kumud9827
@kumud9827 2 жыл бұрын
your hair keeps getting better and better!! seeing you I regret cutting off my mullet 😅
@ostrowulf
@ostrowulf 2 жыл бұрын
(This comment is completely refrencing the comment made about younger veterans not joining the Legion) When I was a kid my father, grandfather, and uncle were all part of the local Legion, and all had been in the military. Most members there were veterans. As a kid I had wanted to be part of the Legion one day. Eventually I grew up, served in the military, and when I was in the process of getting out, was going to join the Legion. I found in my starting the joining process that I was not feeling overly welcome. In the end, I did not join. A few years later I ran into an old army buddy who was also out. Apparently that particular branch was known for not being particularly welcoming of veterans, and a number of members, including him, at his branch transfered from that branch, due to not feeling welcome. So it is not just an uphill battle to get younger members, it kind of feels like some branches are actually acting as gate keepers to keep out vets.
@northnorth7628
@northnorth7628 2 жыл бұрын
I've read similar stories about US ones not welcoming the newest vets in general. Regardless of conflict.
@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh
@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting - I live near two Veterans of Foreign Wars meeting halls and I get the idea that veterans of Afghanistan and Iraq are not really interested in being involved in that.
@Mulambdaline1
@Mulambdaline1 2 жыл бұрын
As an American I’m not very familiar with these Canadian holidays, so I don’t know how to feel about them. But I want to thank you JJ for education me about the history of these holidays. I really enjoy all your cultual videos!
@Nakia11798
@Nakia11798 2 жыл бұрын
You're not familiar with Thanksgiving?
@nigelramkissoonraja6916
@nigelramkissoonraja6916 2 жыл бұрын
Happy holidays JJ McCullough ❤️💛💚
@olle6727
@olle6727 2 жыл бұрын
if people are ashamed of being form a country then what justifies it's existence? If you cancel Canada day you may as well make Canada part of the US
@DhruvMullick_Official
@DhruvMullick_Official 2 жыл бұрын
I Really Like The Concepts Of J.J.’s Videos! :)
@BarryB.Benson
@BarryB.Benson Жыл бұрын
Thanks giving for me growing up was all about giving thanks to the things you’re grateful for, like family, food, shelter etc.
@bibichillieblue
@bibichillieblue 2 жыл бұрын
I still don’t understand why remembrance day is controversial. Last year I was worked in a elementary school and I got some comments from parents about me wearing the poppy and explaining to kids when they asked about it. That’s like denying 9/11 happened or the Holocaust just because you want to “protect kids”. A war happened and many people died, whether you like it or not. You can spare the gruesome details, but hiding history from kids and to not teach them how future generations can do better is just dumb. And harmful. Kids aren’t stupid. There is absolutely nothing else to it.
@robadr13
@robadr13 2 жыл бұрын
How is Canadian Thanksgiving a controversial holiday? It's acknowledged that harvest thanksgiving celebrations were common in England, and have never had the political and patriotic symbolism that Thanksgiving does in the United States. He acknowledges that the whole 'Pilgrim & Indian feast' myth in American Thanksgiving is "total BS" (his words, not mine), and yet he seems to be arguing that by declining to celebrate this particular version of Thanksgiving in November (!), Canadians are suffering in internal denial and...controversy. A harvest thanksgiving celebration in a northern country in mid-October, with virtually no political, patriotic, or sectarian mythology, may be one of the least 'controversial' holidays on the planet. There is likely much more controversy in the US about their Thanksgiving than in Canada about ours.
@Brandon-oc8lr
@Brandon-oc8lr 2 жыл бұрын
This was an amazing video JJ! Regarding Canada day: My parents and I moved to Canada in 1997 because my mom and dad, being serbian and croatian respectively, did not feel safe anywhere in post-yugoslavia. I am extremely thankful they chose that as I genuinely think I am better off for the experiences that I've had here and that I could only really have here. I think a lot of immigrants have similar stories and I honestly believe there is a positive aspect of Canada that is worth celebrating on Canada day. But I also think there is room for reflection on Canada day as well. Even my positive experience in Canada could easily be attributed to a system that causes real harm to others. As an anecdote that really sticks out in my head - in 2017 I was living in Ottawa at the time of the 150th Canada day, and I remember seeing posters all around my neighbourhood saying "150 years of always being nice". This in no unambigous terms completely rules out any form of self-reflection. I just couldn't help but think of it as nation-level gaslighting of the past 150 years and the people who would walk past a poster like that and vehemently disagree with the notion. This is all to say that, as is so often case, reality is rarely black and white and I think this video nails that aspect of each one of these holidays.
@De1n1ol
@De1n1ol 2 жыл бұрын
how old are you?
@baboonaiih
@baboonaiih 2 жыл бұрын
Thanksgiving has always been simply a day to get together and celebrate family and think of that which we are thankful for. Never thought too deep into it
@SirDanielHorton
@SirDanielHorton 2 жыл бұрын
Insightful as always. Thanks for the content.
@ramzanninety-five3639
@ramzanninety-five3639 2 жыл бұрын
I find Thanksgiving and Remembrance Day to be more of family-/community-centred holidays (in Ontario, the latter is not even a statutory holiday, so people are usually at work) that do not aim to address some fundamental issue. Canada Day, on the other hand, tries to be the exclusive wholesale provider of Canadiana with many openly American traditions being used. In my opinion, this is the most American of Canada's holidays, both in its traditional interpretation and customs. I think you overlooked another major holiday - Victoria Day. This is a much older public holiday which is still celebrated across Canada. It is also the holiday that has completely lost its established celebratory customs. I think, this could be an interesting comparison to those newer official holidays.
@anthonyhargis6855
@anthonyhargis6855 2 жыл бұрын
This lack of enthusiasm is probably why I never realized that Canada even had holidays.
@bicker31
@bicker31 2 жыл бұрын
As an American - I was raised that Thanksgiving is primarily a fall harvest celebration and a reminder to take time to connect with family. Similarly, xmas for winter, Easter for Spring, and July 4th for summer. This was my parents (mostly my mom's) practice and I think it's a healthy way for the tradition to evolve - lose some of the more recent and artificial cultural trappings, and recognize these events are really just filling the gaps left by the abandonment of pagan traditions.
@boomshanka8743
@boomshanka8743 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff JJ, thanks. I rarely comment on KZfaq videos, but you have given me some things to think about today.
@matthewmccallion3311
@matthewmccallion3311 2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to hear the Canadian take on the poppy controversy. Similar sentiments exist in the UK, indeed to an even greater extent. Many see the act of refusing to wear a poppy as an act of treason. Here in Northern Ireland, while most of the Protestant/Unionist community wears the poppy, nearly all the Catholic/Nationalist community refuses to wear it as (1) it's seen as a symbol of Unionism or British Imperialism and (2) the selling of poppies raises funds for the Royal British Legion, a charity that supports British veterans. There's a Catholic/Nationalist footballer (soccer player) from my home city of Derry named James McClean who plays in the English leagues and always receives a lot of hate in the British press (and I mean seriously hateful stuff) for refusing to wear a poppy. He's explained that he does so because of Bloody Sunday in 1972, when British soldiers killed 14 peaceful protestors on an anti-internment march. And yet, every year, the hate from the British press arrives like clockwork.
@JJMcCullough
@JJMcCullough 2 жыл бұрын
Visiting Belfast changed my view of Remembrance Day a bit. It was the first time I realized just how Empire-wide the traditions were, and how much they were intended to commemorate the First World War, specifically. I had previously thought of them as being more uniquely Canadian customs that had arisen organically in this country to honor our war dead in some distinctly Canadian way.
@Maxchillin420
@Maxchillin420 2 жыл бұрын
@@JJMcCullough Yeah Poppies are huge here in Australia too. They’re sold in schools and the RSL (returned services league) normally has old veterans selling them outside of shops. I do think that things like Remembrance Day lead to slacktervism and a sort of annoying smugness where people walk around with a poppy for a few days and not think about war or veterans issues for another year.
@gerardacronin334
@gerardacronin334 2 жыл бұрын
Growing up in the Republic of Ireland, it was considered unpatriotic to wear a poppy. At the time of WWI, Ireland was fighting for its independence from Britain and any Irishman who joined the British forces would not be well received on his return. The Republic remained neutral during WW2 in an effort to avoid the war altogether (except for economic isolation).
@thomasm.creamer2728
@thomasm.creamer2728 2 жыл бұрын
@@gerardacronin334 Pretty much all this. Nowadays, I think the common attitude in the Republic of Ireland is more like "look, if it matters to you a lot, wear it if you want to - but if you start lecturing me about it or try shaming me for not engaging with it myself, you can stuff it". Because even in the RoI, while it's one thing if your family has a connection to the British Army and want to mark involvement with WWI or WWII, in general the British Army itself has a bad rep, and that pretty much completely taints the concept of rememberance as a general thing in Ireland.
@gerardacronin334
@gerardacronin334 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasm.creamer2728 I agree. It’s good that people are no longer so uptight about these old grievances. Having said that, the Black and Tans did burn down my Dad’s childhood home in 1920, leaving him and his family homeless when he was just three. One could hardly have expected my father to wear a poppy.
@Mayor_Mike
@Mayor_Mike 2 жыл бұрын
As an active serving member of the CAF I really enjoyed your takes on Remembrance Day. Your point of Remembrance Day being static I don't find too true, especially if you attend a ceremony run by a base. Often they recognize the Korean War and Afghanistan in their speeches as well. I haven't attended one in a town away from a base in many years, so I can't say if that's true elsewhere or not.
@haughtygarbage5848
@haughtygarbage5848 2 жыл бұрын
jj i love your looks so much you give me lots of inspiration for longer hairsytles/facial hair if I ever get the courage to start growing it out; ty for the really informative work you do
@eldorado17427
@eldorado17427 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are always so well done. You totally deserve the 560k subs.
@DwRockett
@DwRockett 2 жыл бұрын
One quick obnoxious “umm, actually,” the Wampanoag tribe is pronounced “wam-pah-nog,” not “wam-pah-no-ag.” Great video as always
@davidroddick91
@davidroddick91 2 жыл бұрын
The purpose of Thanksgiving is to give thanks to God for the harvest; that is why ours is in October, since harvesting your crops at the end of November in Canada would lead to a lot of dead crops.
@JJMcCullough
@JJMcCullough 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is just an urban legend
@emirosem.sc.597
@emirosem.sc.597 2 жыл бұрын
@@JJMcCullough This comment seems to be an amalgamation of Samhain + Thanksgiving prayer; the bonfires ("bone fire" when early farmers burned cattle bones for good luck) were essentially the beginnings of Pagan holidays led by superstitions because people didn't understand that the sun automatically came back to full bore every Spring.
@ginch8300
@ginch8300 2 жыл бұрын
@@JJMcCullough Seasonal variations determined by geographical locations are an urban legend? Wow, we've all been lied to I guess. #ClimateHoax
@JJMcCullough
@JJMcCullough 2 жыл бұрын
@@ginch8300 No, the urban legend is that there's no real coherent reason why Canadian Thanksgiving is when it is.
@ginch8300
@ginch8300 2 жыл бұрын
@@JJMcCullough I've already explained to you why Canadian Thanksgivings are celebrated when they are in a different comment thread, I'm not going to repeat the same thing again here as well, that would be just insanity. Get over your insecurity and stop spreading lies to Americans that we hate them and that we are constantly thinking about them. I think you need to take a break from the internet and go outside man lol.
@starlalilymoon
@starlalilymoon 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! I don't live in Canada, but this helped me learned about a new culture! ^^
@bethyhernandez5486
@bethyhernandez5486 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so insightful thank you!
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