Lester McGee She’s supposed to steal the scene-she has the best lines!

So true.

Yes -Norma was a creation of nepotism, Miss Crawford was a self-created incarnation which is why she surpassed and outlasted Mrs. shearer/thalberg.

I disagree! Joan is fiery and iconic, as always, but this scene wouldn't be the same without Norma's quiet, strong, steady rebuttals. It's a perfect balance between two powerful actresses (each in their own way).

@@pbackhouse325 I agree with you. Norma is playing the wife and the society lady, whilst Crawford is playing a cheap side chick type. They’re obviously going to act very differently!

It's a fun movie. I think Roseland Russell stole every scene she was in.

@@markrichards6863 I think Roseland was a ballroom in New York.

@De St Vida slapping Mildred was by far one of the best confrontations in all moviedom. imho 👏

The tee shirt is awesome! Most people get a it right away.

Miriam Hopkins. She and Bette hated each other and she took great pleasure in shaking the shit out of her. In her autobiography, Davis talks about the day she shook Hopkins the set was packed to the roof with spectators wanting to see it lol.

That's why I hate people who disqualify the talent of Joan Crawford, the actress, she is among the greats of Hollywood! Her career is amazing

I 100% agree with both of you. For example,the fact that Bette Davis is thought of as a better actress is crazy to me. They're equal. Different but equal. Joan was on her level but often got dealt crappy scripts..

@@shaleenaf.7095 Bette also had a much easier ride, because she was (and still is) the critics' darling. But I like both, and I think they were equal talents. Joan is much easier to watch, however.

Someone I know who worked in the movie business said her face was like a blank canvas and make up is what made her so beautiful. She had good bone structure but needed make up.

Rydel6 Yes I don't even know what they were thinking when they did that remake. The story doesn't apply to actual modern women.

The main reason why it doesn't work is because they modernized some parts of the story but not others. Also, they all but killed off Sylvia Fowler (Rosalind Russell)

They tried to make it too modern with the women empowerment stuff rather show the cattiness.

Some female producer was thinking, "an all woman film! People will think I'm a genius!!"

She got roles thru her hubby. Fair actress, not a beauty.

Her acting style was of its time. In this scene, Crawford nearly blows Shearer off set. Maybe if acting styles in early sound film again become popular, people will rediscover Shearer. But don't count on it.

No need to put down a very talented actress just to lift another one up. Both Crawford and Shearer were phenomenal actresses in their own right.

maybe you should watch this documentary about Norma Shearer, she had much to overcome in order to get in films....kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fs54fLh-3da0pn0.html

@@user-sn5jr1ji9h Uh, no, Shearer really wasn't that great. Her style was of its time and looks completely artificial today.

Dave Jordan Norma is excellent in this scene, Joan stole nothing.

Exactly, Norma's performance was so plain in this scene, Joan acted circles around Norma...

@@DeepScreenAnalysisnope your wrong.

@@jessebacon817 no I’m not. Norma held her own.

because she fucked irving, joan movies paid norma and garbo movies, and she's the only one of them who survived the 40's (and the 50's... and the 60s)

Well during this time she was called box office poison along with other top actress such as Katherine Hepburn. So, she wanted to be in this movie to regain her status.

Brandon the shapeshifter l

they also tblame the men too.

@@michaelmorris7238 I believe both are to blame. But the man more. Neither is innocent.

That’s so true. Steven was the one married.

02chevyguy Christina was full of shit

@@lestermcgee5122 maybe so..but AREN’T WE ALL? 🌺🌼🌴

"Miss Shearer" LOL

It isn't lit. The smoke from the match makes it look like it, but she does not light it.

I saw the same thing. She struck the match, said something snarky, looked down at the match, it was about to burn her fingers, she waves it out and back to snarky

Yikes. Drowning in sentiment are you.

Good point! Smart costume designer.

Yeah, that was a heck of a slap June Allyson layed on Joan Collins- and it was VERY REAL, you actually see one of Miss Collins' earrings go flying..Collins has talked about that scene in interviews, and let's just say NAR- No Acting Required!

Norma and Joan, in fact all star actresses of their time, put themselves through punishing exercise and diet routines to preserve a youthful look as long as possible. Whatever rudimentary plastic surgery existed then was the province of accident victims, for example, and certainly not employed to serve vanity, like today.

oh women get mad at their husbands too for cheating believe me.

It was the time. Back then woman were expected to have good morals

Meagre as those gifts are...

@@grantc61 I, and many others, would disagree with you but everyone has and can share their opinions.

It's difficult to compare her best work because it's just so different. My favourite performance of hers was in another Cukor film ("A Woman's Face").

BLTKellys Joan was beautiful in her day, especially in the 1930's. Joan's beauty then rivaled both Garbo and Dietrich.

This was made in 1939. Crawford looked good for years after this. She still looked very good in Mildred Pierce. It wasn't until the middle 1950s that she started looking severe.

Menelik Charles I think she prettier than either of them. I never really found Marlene Dietrich beautiful, and IMO Garbo was overrated in that department too. For a short time, Garbo's face was stunning but it didn't last long. Joan Crawford thought Garbo was beautiful though. She wrote about meeting Garbo on the studio lot once when she was a young starlet. Apparently Garbo took Crawford's face in her hands and said "beautiful". Joan wrote that this was the only moment in her life when she actually considered being a lesbian.

@@ananouri3583 That's like Bullwinkle saying it was the only time in his life when he considered being a moose.

Re Norma Shearer: exactly.

and cross eyes.

Says Rosalind Russell in her 1976 autobiography _Life Is A Banquet_ : "Norma Shearer had it in her contract that only one man could be co-starred with her. On any picture. No woman's name could be up there with hers. For _The Women_ , she'd capitulated [on May 3, 1939, a week before filming began] and said Joan Crawford might also be starred above the title, but when it came to me that was another story. She must have felt she'd been pushed far enough. I, on the other hand, was not willing to settle for billing that said 'with Rosalind Russell' underneath the title. I'd already starred in pictures and I didn't care to be demoted." Russell waited until about halfway through production and staged a sick out. "You couldn't do that early in the picture; they'd just replace you. I wasn't holding up production, they had plenty to shoot without me, but I let it be known that I might be under the weather for some time." On June 13, 1939, Norma signed a second contract waver: "I now agree that both Miss Joan Crawford and Miss Rosalind Russell may be given co-star credit with my name, provided however, that in no event shall Miss Russell's name appear in size of type larger than 50% of the size used to display my name." That stipulation must survive in perpetuity, because even on the latest BlueRay issue, Russell's name is indeed half the size of Norma and Joan's.

No, Shearer was not kind and friendly to everyone. A lot of women did not care for her.

Fascinating! I guess if Roz's name were any bigger on the Blu ray, Norma's estate could sue?

@@davedvlaries7764 Wow. What a great billing tidbit. Thank you.

Dave dvlaries - I'm so sorry to see they made you take down your Y&R Brenda Dickson clips. Loved every moment of them.

+Messylin Thanks. :) They were a lot of lost work, but at least we had them for a while.

+Dave dvlaries Crawford's suspicion of Shearer's motives always flew in the face of key and immutable piece of logic. As the wife of MGM's head of production, and later his widow and a major stockholder, Shearer had everything to _gain_ from every successful MGM release, Crawford's included. To make herself a sabotaging element toward a consistent revenue generator such as Joan, as Joan steadfastly maintained, Norma would have to be figuratively and _knowingly_ shooting herself in the foot. It doesn't make sense.

Dave dvlaries Yes, and women always behave completely logically when it comes to dealing with other women who they happen to dislike.

I guess it wasn't Breen, but whatever code they had in 1939 made them change the one clearly lesbian character that Clare Boothe Luce wrote for her play into a more vaguely unmarried woman for the movie.

Seriously. Today, from Hollywood, to dating, to even the NBA court... _subtlety_ and _grace_ have been obliterated.

Glamor make a big difference. Looks by themselve are boring. Plastic surgery is unattractive in my opinion. Something common now.

Joan, in my opinion (though not in this particular get up) was twice as pretty as Shearer. Joan OWNS this scene.

Gordon Hall - I think Crawford looks like a man in drag here. Shearer had such feminine grace.

Messylin You don't like drag? Norma Shearer looks and acts like a cream cheese haus frau. Grace? Total phony.

Gordon Hall - You are a hard one, aren't you? I love drag, but I also love real women like Norma :-)

Messylin No. I think she was a half-baked Irving Thalberg driven actress who got all the juicy roles handed to her. Joan had real talent as this scene attests. Shearer's acting is mannered and unbelievable. Don't get your panties in a twist now.

It was remade twice. This was the first remake. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r8tzfM2Vl7CXYpc.html

1939 was a very competitive year. When you consider that Margaret Hamilton wasn’t even recognized for her work as the witch in Wizard of Oz, it’s ridiculous. Throughout that film you’re constantly thinking about the witch. That is what a supporting role is all about and she too was robbed.

I watched Autumn Leaves starring Joan. I kind of found it a little annoying comparing it to another movie with Clark Gable Call of the Wild made in 1935. Movies made in the 1950's were influenced by the goody two shoes culture. Movie lacked a little bit of realness. Even though it was really good and they were trying t be gritty.