For a lot of people their support for and criticism of law enforcement is out of a desire for better outcomes. It's little different than supporting armed forces but also being willing to criticize the activities that are not preferable.

If they had jocko training, 90% of cops would be as good as military

@@glennl2871 , because the military has never killed anybody by mistake.

ralph holiman Oh yeah they have ... it’s called blue on blue.

@@iansimmons8826 , I was being sarcastic. That never seems to go over well in print. Even the SEALs have killed people by mistake. Look at Bob Kerrey's patrol that went south in Vietnam. Humans make mistakes.

And Tim and Jocko are the types of individuals that SHOULD be doing the job. Who do you want responding to your house at 3 am when someone is breaking in? Some college kid, or a combat veteran? That should tell you something about the unrealistic expectations placed upon the profession and why so many great people are no longer joining.

@@lynkriger Veteran's have done their fighting overseas, for you. Now it's your turn to defend the homeland the veteran's fought for.

From The Public Law enforcement applications are down 60%. Who are we hiring now to defend the homeland?

That stateent shows more about the person who said it. Lets stop playing like its a job who they didnt know was what it was. Its a thankless job but lets also stop pretending that problems exacerbated by sandbaggers who just get transferred around instead of being fired. That is due to the culture of protecting shit expecting it to become cream. Doesnt work that way and if you cant handle the stress of the job then imagine the people who have to constantly be profiled just because they "fit the decription". They might not be racist but they seem not to have a problem with them

aagreenidge I would argue that a lot of the cream of the crop is included in that 60% no longer applying. For the same reasons laid down in this video. And political talking points about the 1% of cops that get fired and then rehired somewhere else has nothing to do with that 60%. I am talking about the new hires: young people with options, training, education, personality skill sets that make them highly competitive in the private market. People who can handle themselves and are motivated to do the job, not just wear a duty belt and get free coffee. Why risk everything for a community that believes the media’s lies. And if someone is experiencing a higher than normal rate of police interactions because they “Fit a description.” They should take ownership of why they are fitting that description and work to change that. Because “The description” isn’t going to change. Military age males. The cause of nearly all preventable violent crime. Example: 1. Oh you’re harassing me because of my car. A: Get rid of the limo tint windows and turn down the music. 2. You’re just harassing me because of my tattoos. A. Maybe remove that face or neck tattoo that looks similar to what the gangs use to mark each other. 3. I’m not doing anything, why are you talking to me? A. Maybe when you enter a business you should take off your hat or hood and wave to the clerk working. Maybe the corner store, or late night joint isn’t the best place to spend your spare time. They attract lots of crime, therefore, lots of cops. A smile and wave will change your life.

And, frequently, human beings acting in an irrational manner. So a rational man, really has no way to predict what they are going to do. Half the time, the criminal doesn't even know what he is going to do until the second he does it. The prisons are not filled with the people who think things out before acting.

I thought most interactions were peaceful

Alex Kellogg , they are. It’s the ones that are not that kill you.

@@ralphholiman7401 die a hero > murder a civilian

Alex Kellogg who dies a hero?

My gym offers a free class to cops, one hour a week on the weekends so theres really no excuse

I think most cops have the time to train, where I work you’re only working 3-4 days. Pick a day to learn how to protect yourself because the training from the academy is so basic and easily forgotten over time

@David Ghunaim they pressure their coworkers to do it, every cop that gets their ego smashed by a feisty white or blue belt has come back for more.

4 things. The fourth is the racism eraser.

@@taraabbas9017 everyone i work with has a 5 day per week schedule.

That attitude is the problem

bluechip17 hiring people with that attitude is the problem. Which is why he says he couldn’t do that job.

That's psychopath talk.

Facts.

Well insurance covers that stuff and cities love to make millions of dollars disappear in administration anyway

And, now you have the "defund the police" movement, who believes the answer is less training, less officers, and less pay.

B M , they almost give that ex-DOD stuff away. Some of it they do just give away.You’re not going to be training anyone to do anything with the money they save from that.

Great point, sir.

'Was lookin' for this! 🤣🤣

Yes, MMA and BBJ solves it.

Have you seen this clip of Jocko?! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mrBjhpB9rp3Yink.html It’s hilarious!!

Their only enemy is US citizens...why militarize them?

Yea, my naive unexperienced opinion is the problem is cops going into a war-zone or war-zone mindset but without the training, mindset, systems to handle the crazy situations they get thrown into. And then there are communities where lots of kids grew up around cycles of trauma and gang violence - needing to act tough to stay alive. Put that instinct next to a rookie cop thats not prepared for it and its going to be trauma.

@big crunch your right and militarism is the right word when your giving them fucking tanks in shit. They're becoming extrajudicial paramilitary groups. They need soft skills training not more hand to hand combat shit.

I think the problem people have with the police being "militarized" is that they have those huge armored vehicles or stuff that seems unnecessary. Or even something as simple as wearing camo. Why does a cop need to wear camo? They aren't the army or military. They aren't in another country. They're right here in this country under city or state payroll serving American citizens. Point is, it doesn't look good. It says something. Now if there is actual good training from the military that can lead to a positive outcome for a cop, then that's great. The people just want to feel and be safe when they interact with a cop. Is that too much to ask for?

@@angusbeefballfro if they were trained like the military and had the penalties the military has for when you fuck up and kill someone you shouldn't this issue would be no where near what it is.

i’m a BJJ brown belt who went to GST level 1 that i paid for on my own. i was scheduled to go to level 2 but it was cancelled due to covid. my agency’s Use of Force policy is straight up garbage. it is just a quarterly check in the box for the agency that says they actually train their employees.

I play way too much mordhau because that’s what I thought at first as well haha

Don’t be a snowflake

@@chillix118 🌨❄❄❄🌨⛄☃️

@@chillix118 huh?

how about equal punishment for cops and self defence laws for civilians

Excellent points.

Read my mind

No lol just no.

True

That is not the way it works. Like at all

I don't agree with your statement, but if we were going to improve the citizens we would need to fully fund education and mental health in this country. The way you build a better citizen is to invest in them from cradle to the grave.

ADBLOCK works wonders friend.

This is why you have specialized units for those instances, but overall the idea of the cops always outgunning the civilians shouldn’t be a standard. They aren’t going to war with the population, they are guardians of the population.

@@CorgiButter69 Who are they guarding the public from? I agree that the police shouldn't be outgunning the public out of fear, but it's not far fetched for them to be scared in the first place

@Matt I agree that being armed shouldn't be an excuse to militarize, but at the same time any apologist will be able to point at past incidents which give police an excuse to do so (the most obvious one being the aforementioned Hollywood shootout)

Andre Ingram aka DJ Screw RIP it’s a mentality I’m trying to bring a point to. They are guardians, not warriors. An officers job isn’t to be ahtopmsrically in warrior mode ready to attack anything. It leads to them seeing the civilian population as an entire potential enemy force. The guardian mentality sees the civilians as those who need to be protected and embraced. Which leads to a different kind of reactionary process. The problem with militarized police is that they are in a job where they have the power to end your life if they DEEM you are a threat (entirely subjective) , and are products of a very low training system that beats into their mind that they are warriors and are going “to war” every time they step onto the street. With all that combined, of course we have the current issues we are seeing amongst police and civilian relations,

@@CorgiButter69 I'm trynna shed light on one of these many reasons they have said mentality. As ridiculous as my original comment may be, it's still a real threat that one can't just ignore

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ratagris21 As long as it’s in regs. Grooming standards must be upheld.

@@internet_internet no porn stash either

I was part of a training cadre in the military. We always told the troops that a mustache might be a use-of-force.

@@lawriemountain tha fancier the more intimidating.

Most police departments actually get those for free on loan/donated from the military. They are an essential tool for armed barricaded subjects, officer down rescue, or working in areas without any real cover. If you were being shot at which would you prefer to be standing behind? If that piece of equipment were to save one life, be it officer, victim, bystander, and even the "bad guy" would it not be worth it?

And what about the maintenance cost for them? You think a PD really has the training to work and maintain one? Or are they going to be using contractors that charges ton to do so? I like doing contractor works but because of the loan programs you both have addressed this means more bloated defense budget and wasteful spending, see it every year when fiscal year is about to end and the command would find ways to spend their entire remaining budget. Even when they need a vehicle to do entry, there are already vehicles in their inventory that can do that. From how yall reply I can make a confident bet that you are conservative/republican, so how is using tax payer's money to expand military spending to trickle down to these PD conservative/pro small government? Seems pretty socialist to me the way you're ok with government spending people's money just as long as it is in line with the thing you support and continue to making government bigger.

Different rules, different environment, different cultures. It's like going from being a professional basketball player switching to football. Sure, your athleticism and other things will still translate over, but it's still an entirely different game with different rules and standards. And that's before things get political

But also have them go in with people that already have relevant training. There are folks that know how to de-escalate people having mental breakdowns with knives. Collaborate, cross-train, and give others the tools to prevent situations before they really start.

Because its just a snipit of one of Jocko's podcasts since they are like 3 hours long haha