The fact that it still counts as defamation even if the allegations are true is insane.

Japanese defamation laws are draconian, but accusing your siblings of murderous intent publicly on YT rather than seeking the civil route is really stupid, no matter if this is Japan or elsewhere

So you can still go to prison for defamation even if you told the truth? That's just messed up!

I feel like family vlogs are just very problematic, there’s so many grey zones around them. As you said, there are just as many absolutely incorrect ways as correct ones to go about one.

Red flag, 100%. Kids aren't content. Kids' development is already negatively affected enough *consuming* social media, making them a source of entertainment without their input or consent is unconscionable. We have plenty of evidence from child actors that this level of attention can be bad for them *without* filming their private lives, and of how far some people will go for internet clout. Put them together and you get a recipe for abuse.

I think a big part of family vlog channel controversy is also how they handle their young childrens privacy. Like a four year old can`t consent to their image, life, etc. being put out there on the internet for essentially forever. I personaly think it is better to not have the young children shown especialy in vulnerable moments like emotional outbursts when filming shouldn`t be the priority but guiding them through that.

is Joey defaming the defamation laws of Japan? 🤔

family vlogs channels sit in a very gray area for me, as it tends to lead families to breaking apart and having tension between members, specially when it comes not wanting certain private things being filmed and shown on youtube, amongst other things

We have to get used to this at this point the infection of social media in general is beyond repair

There is currently a family channel going through the works in the US rn. The channel (now deleted) called 8 Passengers is under fire bc one of the kids escaped the mother’s friend and therapist’s house with evidence of abuse and malnutrition. And that story is still developing. Family channels are wild, always handle them with care. Especially if someone does or does not want a camera in their face. I want to know what happens with this story. Defamation could go one way or another with how the situation is playing out. Keep us posted on this story, please!

How does journalism work in Japan with such loose defamation laws?

I get the ick from all family vlog channels, 'happy' family or not. I think showing off your kid in a video every now and then is fine but making a whole channel around it always feels weird and exploitive to me.

Thats insane... So let´s imagine my family did something horrible to me and I share this story with other people (friends, relatives etc.) I could be suit for defamation? Why are so many Japanese people siding with the perpetrator? That is really awful 😢

Family Vlog Channels are in a downward spiral here in the US. The big one is the Ruby Franke case in the courts right now. She had a family vlog channel, called 8 Passengers. Look Up the case, it's a crazy one.

I've been watching this family vlog channel since around the beginning (from like one of their first videos)- and all of this law suits, cutting family ties, and alleged assassination attempt was to me extremely surprising. They seemed to be an close knit family that loved each other, and from their videos I couldn't possibly imagine any problems like this to be happening. Their family channel seemed to be quite genuine, and the things the family is alleging seems outrageous to me. As you mentioned, the theory that the girlfriend was the reason for the fall out I think is extremely unlikely. While yes, the videos after the girlfriends appearance didn't feature the little sister anymore, a deleted video explains that it was because she was getting busy with school and her parents and other brother was pressuring her to stop siding with Caleb and the youtube channel. It appears that they already started to fall apart before the girlfriend as their upload schedule has started to slow down. As a viewer, this channel falling apart was shocking and I would have never expected the things that were happening behind the scenes. In the deleted/ archived video, he mentions that his parents talked in place for his younger sister not allowing the two to communicate and told him that the younger sister always felt used and never actually smiled from the bottom of her heart in the videos. To me that was crazy, because I watched every single one of their videos and if that smile and emotions were fake idk what would be real.

Family vlogs are always a red flag

I do worry that there might be some mental health issues involved too. Paranioa that people are out to get you, a breakdown in relationships... there's often a lot going on behind the scenes that's never seen publicly (And that's probably for the best tbh)

I will say that. Do it like Pewdiepie does it and you will go long way. He doesn't need money for obvious reasons and when ever he makes family vlogs. It is his perspective that is on the top and he doesn't expose his family too much.

It's kind of a grey area for me. I appreciate the family vlogs that can highlight and educate the difficulties of navigating the health system and disabilities, but also I can see how putting up such a public face of your child/family can be VERY detrimental later on in life for everyone involved, good intentions or not. I only watch one family vlog channel (Beth and Coop) bc I find it super educational on child-rearing a deaf child with cochlear implants. After all, who's to say my future child will be hearing or deaf? I can prepare myself for that, at least.

yay a new, news video , i missed these videos so much

Japanese law's definition of defamation can prevent people from or punish them for giving honest testimony or accurate information to journalists or police. Also, family channels are creepy and invasive, especially when families feature content with their kids.

This is why you can't even trust your own family at times

its never a good ideia or even ethical to expose children to the internet without their consent, family vlogs are exploitive in nature

In my opinion as a Japanese person, if a family member spreads false rumors on KZfaq such as ``My brother is planning to commit murder,'' it would have an immeasurable negative effect on work and interpersonal relationships. My guess is that his family asked him to delete the video, but he didn't. In principle, a crime of defamation can be committed even if the stated facts are true. However, as an exception, it can be proven that the content is "true" in addition to "relating to facts related to public interest (public nature) and whose purpose is exclusively to promote public interest (public interest)" If possible, the offense should not be punished for defamation (Article 230-2, Paragraph 1 of the Penal Code). Defamation of reputation is not something that is easily recognized.

As someone who came from a country that takes defamation (of rich people) seriously, defamation law is really stupid I mean, everyone can be arrested for shitposting lol

You are as close to Japan as I am ever going to get. 👍

I feel like a lot of family channels seem to forget that the internet is not so different from the real world in a sense that not everybody watching these family vlogs have good intentions. Children shouldn't be exposed online because that'll definitely f*ck them in the head after they grow up and see very intimate memories of their younger self's being broadcast for millions of people for profit without their consent. Family vlogs are okay if you don't expose your young children for money. Just don't film the melt downs, don't film them taking a bath, don't film them in any way you yourself wouldn't like to be filmed.

I have a family and kids. I understand archiving and preserving memories. I don't understand putting it out on the internet and opening yourself to critiques, criticisms and trolls. I guess some people really want the money and attention.

oh boy, here we go

The only way to ethically do a family vlog imho is to not record every second of your child's personal life for daily uploads. It is to tell stories of your fun events, share the occasional photo or short home video clip on a weekly or monthly basis, while only including your child in the actual vlogging if They say they want to, and respecting when they don't. When it comes to a family vlogging channel, the safety and well-being of the child should Always come first. If you're a parent doing or thinking of starting a family vlog, ask the child or children involved at every step and respect their answers. Things like "Do you mind if I show this picture? Would you be okay saying a few things to the people? It's okay if the answer's no, I just want to make sure. I don't want to hurt or upset you." If you can do that and respect your kids' wishes, then knock yourself out and have fun. But if you can't grasp the concept of basic respect for another human's autonomy, you probably shouldn't even own a camera.

I have to wonder what would happen if there was defamation of a Japanese citizen but the misinformation came from another country. Would the perpetrator be tried in Japan or in their home country? I'm not familiar with defamation laws, let alone Japanese laws.

To me its a grey zone. If done right, it can be fun and wholesome. If done wrong, then shit will hit the fan fast. So it depends how the family goes about it.

Hello there TAM :D

Interesting also when are you going to cover YuYu Hakushos ending since you’ve read hunter x hunter.

Keep up the awesome work and videos Joey love the video

nice shirt joey❤

Can someone provide the name of the KZfaq this guy is talking about

Unless they were proactively posing for the camera or asking me to take a photo, I even hesitated just taking photos of my chidren once they passed toddlerhood 😅 I do watch a few family channels but all the ones I watch, I was following them before they had children, mostly Japan based as Ive been here a while 😅

I'm wondering if he has a mental health issue? As a friend used to say, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you." It's not mutually exclusive but he does seem paranoid. Regarding family channels, the oldest son (12 maybe) of one youtuber asked, "How are you going to make a living when we're grown up and gone?"

I feel like "family content" in general should not be available publicly and produced for monetization. Keep that on at least semi-private social media sites for your own extended family and friends to enjoy. If you have family member that take part in your content occasionally, fine, but don't make the family aspect teh focal point.

Negative comments about Ted Bundy or Hannibal Lecter might also be a serious crime of defamation... It doesn't matter if it's true or not... Probably counts as slander towards the character or the author or the actual person.

This is my view as a Japanese person. If there are any mistakes or incorrect translations, I apologize. I think it is a case by case basis whether it is defamation or not. The requirements to not be libelous are, (1)pertains to facts of public interest (2)It is recognized that the purpose was solely to serve the public interest. (3)That there was proof of truth. It takes money, time, and effort to sue in court, and even if defamation were applied, it would only be a minor crime or minor damage, so the hurdle for the media and KZfaqrs with large numbers of subscribers to publicize the facts may be low. In addition, because of social credibility and reputation apart from the law, even if you sue for defamation and win, it does not necessarily mean that it will be positive for your future life. In fact, there are many cases where celebrities and activists who were exposed to facts did not sue because they did not think it was worth suing for defamation. On the other hand, in Japan, there are various arguments such as "it is strange to consider that exposing a celebrity's private life is a tax on celebrity.

I love how you talked about there are also some wholesome family vlog channel because PewDiePie has slowly becoming somewhat of a family vlog channel itself to some extents.

6:02 easy as hell to prove one way or another. Track where the youtube money got spent on. WAS it spent on lifting the family's financial burden? was it used to pay bills? buy food? What? Or did he buy himself a vacation, hotels, services in the red light distract, buy a second home... This is really easy to prove. There is no need for the he said she said nonsense. Just look at the financial records which the court can request no problem.

I bet Japans law would protect a predator and punish the people who sound the alarms on there activities, Japan is so beautiful and I hope they do away with these absurd laws😊

Happens here too and they often pick a 12-13y old to offline you, because they only go to juvey.

Amazing video Joey,fantastic job.

I used to be pretty neutral about family vloggers just not into them myself but now I am at an age where I am targeted with that content and it makes me deeply concerned. I don't need to know little billy's bedtime routine or little Lisa's first baby tooth falling out. These are IMO intimate family moments that I have absolutely no business seeing nor do I want to. Children are not content!

best example of a "family vlog channel" would be pewdiepie these days :) i know there is other content than the vlogs but i doubt anyone could ever find their vlogs scummy :)

As a 17 ur old although I’m not anywhere near starting a family when I or if I do have kids I ain’t posting nothing about them online no pictures of their faces or bodies will be online there’s too many gross and disturbing people in this world

Not a fan of the family vlog channels. Besides not liking the content itself, having kids that young on the internet can not be healthy.

Anyone remember CTFxC?

Family Vlog Channel, yeah I see enough.

joey did a Yu-gi-oh! reference

they give bigger punishment for defemation than they do for bullying and SA omg

I suck at paying attention to someone’s story while driving but with Joey he makes it sound easy.

"regardless of it true or not" so wtf? If someone does some shit and I tell everyone, I get sued?

defamation in every other country is a civil matter... how can the government justify making it a criminal matter.

"Why are you making family content in the first place ?" This should be the question for any new family friendly content creator because that might just save you from allegations and then you could also ask your family and pay them for acting 🗿

Once again I've come to realize I'm not like other human beings. I hear about something despicable on the internet and I DO NOT have the urge to go check it out. I'd rather stay as far away as possible from it.

I think in the case of the channel mentioned here, it's clear he was just using his family for money and attention. Why would he suddenly add his girlfriend to his vlogs and remove his sister? Why in the world would that make his own family try to kill him? None of that makes sense, but it WILL garner him plenty of views.

I wish defamation laws are like this in the Philippines

Hi guys!

The defamation aspect is very interesting. Reputation is everything. It's how others are more likely to risk a venture with you, whether it's business, entering a relationship or even just being willing to be friends with you. Damage to said reputation is in a way, actual harm. Actions such as deplatforming, cancel culture and the like are all attacks on your reputation, they are usually cowardly actions taken towards you that don't result in consequences for them. However, if Japan prosecutes those sorts of attacks, then that's a natural defense against such frivolous attacks. People think being respectful is being superficially courteous, especially based on characteristics, but in reality respect is about being humble and open minded. In this case it's sad that this 21 year old man is in a tough position and being punished for the actions of others, however it's too simply to simply say the system is wrong, because no matter how you set things up someone's going to be a victim.

You should see South East Asian family vlog……it’s a million dollar business here.

Outside of extreme examples like this, the reason family vlog channels are generally problematic is because they more often than not ignore the value of consent. Small children cannot understand the long-term ramifications of having their face online, especially to an audience of thousands or even millions. Even if you ask your child "Do you want to be in my video?", they aren't of an age to truly consent. I'm sure there are family vlogs out there that either don't feature kids, or do right by their children by censoring their faces, but they are very few and far in between. Probably even more importantly, when you make a family vlog channel, your kids are becoming either a primary or secondary source of your revenue, and that leads to a whole mess of issues. Even the most well-intentioned parent could end up exploiting their child. All in all, there are a lot of gray areas to showing children on KZfaq, and I think there are instances where it can be done ethically and appropriately. However, family vlog channels are breeding grounds for child abuse and exploitation, and they should be avoided. Children also deserve privacy.

One word - 8Passengers. Family vlog channels are so messed up, kids are not content, they are underage and CANNOT consent. You want to have a vlog channel? Fine, have your vlog channel. Talk about the content you're consuming, what you did that day, your favorite food - leave your child(ren) out of it.

the fact that they actually filed a case against him tells me that there might be some truth to his allegations

Family channels feel like a big grey zone to me. I think there are definitely ways to do it correctly and ways not to. I really like how John Wolfe is going about it now he's shared his little family with us. As his daughter grows up, it'll be her decision on whether she still wants to be doing videos or not. I like this because I feel like a lot of these channels don't give the option to their children on whether they're comfortable being filmed or not.

The reason I keep images of my son off of all social media's is because of officials sharing that when a child predator is caught the majority of their "indecent images" are actually mainly wholesome innocent photos/videos taken from the average persons account. That info stuck with me

3:15 the little sister sound sus-ly brocon

I love this channel more than "the anime man"

simply put, anything can be good or bad.

Somehow i think family vlog, or anything related to family might backfire in the future. Wouldn't be surprised if in future 10-20 years we will see news such as kids suing their parents for did not get the paid they deserve (or such, you get the idea)

Japan’s defamation laws are bonkers. Also, I’d be careful about ever putting a child on KZfaq. A lot of family vloggers kids ended up on watch list for less than savoury people. They can also use AI and deepfakes to have them do really gross things using benign images and sound files the families put out.

Regardless of who’s side is right, this is a messed up situation

It is common in Asia. Europe has the same in some countries. The idea that one is better and one is inferior just because there are different laws from your country is just like an outdated politician.

I feel like with the family channel thing I wouldn't, I would just let my kids say hi or whatever for as long as they would like to hang out, got a cute pic show it off! But keep your channel separate from your family life so you don't really get burned out by them, cause burn out sucks and I do my best to try to avoid it now lol

The problem with family vlog channels is that the children can't give consent. Even if they do want to be in the videos - it's not really consent since they haven't reached the age of consent and might regret that decision in thr future but have no power to change it.

I hate "family channels" with a passion, especially as a psychology major ,the damage it does to the kids and lets not get into parents who film their children for predators online-knowingly or unknowingly. A child cannot consent to that and even if they want to be filmed and posted they still shouldnt be listened to because well....they are children. Even a small picture of a child from facebook ends up with predators. online. And we have examples today of the kids who grew up almost all of them hated it and it breaks their relationship with their family because they feel used (they are right)

Family blog channels are the worst KZfaq channel ever. A lot of KZfaq controversy is those KZfaq family bloggers who seem perfect on camera but just scum of the earth in real life. They’ll do anything for their content and to make their channel grow. If you wanna make content on KZfaq don’t make a family channel.

Hmm. No pictures, huh?🤔

Saw the title and my immediate thought was he either showed a manga/movie screen in a video or something to do with defamation, because Japan

damn you been working out Joey? You look better

So, those defamation laws basically force citizen to treat their family as yakuza clan with everyone being subservient to 'the patriarch'.

A person's public image is important all across different Asian cultures- Japan just takes that more seriously.

I just had a baby several months ago and refuse to even put a picture of him online, let alone start any type of internet presence. I think it's wise to keep your minor children offline as much as possible. Too many weirdos lurking and family vlogs probably attract some unsavory people who you don't want obsessing about your precious child.

You can choose your friends but not your family 😂. All families fall out at some point. I just don't like family issues being aired in public. If he really thought that his life was at risk, why didn't he go to the police? Anyway, just look at Prince Harry. He's thrown his family under the bus and more. But as our late Queen said 'recollections may vary'

5:00 laughing more than i should have

It's a shame that Japanese law makers don't take war crimes seriously 😩

It could be that the idea is that the person receives their punishment for the wrongdoing, and therefore an additional punishment by the wronged party is unecessary and a type of vigilante justice. In cases where there is no proof that anything happened, then it makes sense to me that in those cases also , its not okay to publicly accuse someone of something.

I feel like it depends a lot on how much information the family is sharing. Young children who can’t understand what’s happening shouldn’t be filmed since they can’t give permission. The family should also avoid sharing any personal information. I remember awhile back a family vlogger decided to record her daughter ( who was maybe 12? ) shaving her legs for the first time. That kind of thing should be kept private. Families need to take into consideration that their content can be seen by anyone and avoid sharing anything that they wouldn’t feel comfortable sharing with a stranger.

I'm not a person for knowing family channels and have never seen them but I say it's a gray area, I'm trying to learn Japanese but uh it's difficult. I want to live in Japan so bad it's my dream.

I've watched a couple of family vlog channels because there content is wholesome and enjoyable. So I think there's a place for them as long as everyone is down for it. It even extends to other media like The McElroys who have a whole line of family-hosted podcasts. It's possible but only after conversations and intent is made clear. Otherwise, your uncle is gonna hire Hitman Reborn to take you out I guess

Wow sounds like the law to forcefully shut people up to mantain the status quo.

Never do a family vlog people, that shit's cursed from the get go

No Family is Perfect Because Perfect is not attainable we are all works in progress- Be kind, lead with love and respect.

Welp...this is just insane...thanks for telling us Joey

What we should think about Felix? Or just the Kardashian?

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