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It’s currently 8 pm, I’m now planning on staying up until 5am next morning so a alcoholic pig man can yell at me about fighter aircraft 😎

The fighter Mafia reminds me of something i read a while ago, that all wars are fought (initially) with old and outdated strategies because generals learned everything they know from the previous war and they didn't think about how the development of technology changed everything. The key difference is that they believe that we should fight like WW2 which is insane when you consider that the war ended 72 years ago which is almost the same time difference between WW2 and the american civil war (74 years). Imagine if someone during ww2 unhironically tried to tell you that they should have fought Germany like they fought the confederacy. That's why the "technology bad" experts are either insane or crooks (or both).

Damn, you said EXACTLY what I've been saying for years when it comes to the guns vs missiles in 'Nam debate. I swear if I hear one more "fighters still need guns didn't we learn this in Vietnam?" I'm going to commit a felony.

In my military days, part of my job was explaining complex subjects to people who didn't have a baseline understanding. The goal was to give them usable information. Internally our teams worked very hard to strip the presentations to the bone, strip out jargon, and focus on what was important in a practical sense to the audience. We knew our subject matter very well and we were comfortable in how to tailor it to different audiences to be direct. Whenever I see presenters going on long gooblygook sessions peppered with jargon, I am always put on guard. That level of obfuscation is hiding the ball.

I worked with a guy who did what boyd does, he would always overcomplicate even the simplest statements through technical jargon and obfuscation just to sound more important and our manager ate that shit up even when he was telling him the new equipment is missing pieces and also the software we were given to control it is incomplete. I've never found this particularly useful as actual good engineers and managers want the most straight forward quickest explanation, with a potential solution put forth if possible as this shows you have a good grasp of the situation, what went wrong, and what can be done to fix it. but hey, he got the promotion and I got the boot, so what do I know

Boyd is from my hometown, and there's been a lot of local interest in him. I've seen 'Boyd' everywhere from bookstore displays to my father's coffee table. And he comes up a surprising amount in military literature that doesn't even have his face on the cover, often in the role of a brilliant advisor who deserves the real credit when things go well. I remember reading an otherwise good book about the Gulf War and being astonished at a scene where John Boyd convinces General Schwarzkopf that, instead of attacking the Iraqi Army head-on, he should instead flank and envelope them. Even as an teenager who eagerly embraced everything written about warfare I found myself wondering why a retired fighter pilot was advising the army on how to conduct the ground phase of the operation, and how was it possible that the advantages of such as basic military tactic as flanking had not occurred to the General or anyone else involved in the planning of the war.

I had the honor of meeting General Steve Ritchie, the only Air Force Ace of Vietnam, at an Air Force function about 20 years ago. I had a really great talk with him. He said that the combination of the Sidewinder and the Sparrow was a perfect match for the F-4. And that the Sparrow's reputation as being an unreliable POS was undeserved. Its poor performance was due in large part to the electronics in the missiles getting jumbled from repeated takeoffs and landings. The Navy catapulting them off a carrier and slamming them back on the deck made the problem worse. He gave a lot of credit to his ground crew who he said did a full inspection of any missiles that had been through more than a couple landings.

In the Marines we had a little cheeky retort to the OODA loop. We liked to think it stood for "observe, overreact, denial, apologies." The problem with the OODA loop is, it claims that making decisions faster than the enemy means you will win. If they are the correct decisions, sure, good idea. Problem is, there is another term for the OODA loop, and its called "flying by the seat of your pants." Turns out making stupid decisions really fast doesn't change the fact that you're stupid. Being aware that the OODA loop exists doesn't actually make you better at exploiting it. That takes a LOT of very difficult, very expensive training in realistic scenarios. The OODA loop itself is not a trainable skill. Its a basic human reaction to stimuli. You don't train the OODA loop, you train the skillsets and reactions necessary to exploit a phenomenon that already exists regardless.

As someone that knows exactly who 'Chungus' is and has had many, many unfortunate dealings with them in SL. This is fucking surreal and also hilarious.

I got taught OODA loop of Boyd as a non-US infantry officer. The core concept is a decent guideline. “Make your decisions process faster than your opponent to have an advantage”. But that does not mean he is some omnipotent genius.

Alright funny pig man, shed unto me your wisdom! Laser Pig: "Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Darth Chungus the Cringe?"

Boyd is the perfect example of "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit."

Fun fact: in Dan Pedersen's (first commanding officer of Topgun) autobiography he mentions that Boyd once tried persuading him that it was physically impossible for an F-4 Phantom to beat a Mig-21 in air combat. Which, dare I say, did not age particularly well, seeing as post Topgun the USN Phantoms increased their kill:loss ratio in Vietnam from 2:1 to 7:1.

Also looking forwards to whatever emotional high stakes drama Lazerpig comes up with for World of Warships.

I just had a discussion with someone about this. They tried to tell me that they had to teach pilots to dog fight in Vietnam, because they’d become too reliant on missiles. I promptly told him that was a myth, and that engagement distances, even back then, were constantly growing larger. _My own father_ fell for this top gun academy bs. I had to tell him, that was not the case.

Thank you. For me, this helps to explain the culture that my dad served in as a USAF officer. He stayed in for 29 years, but having hit on the wrong base commander's wife, he was never going to make brigadier. Nevertheless, they put him in command of the maintenance wing at Warner Robbins AFB, and gave him a medal. I don't know what it was because he didn't care. He retired the next day. He'd told me two decades before, when I'd said I wanted to be an Air Force pilot like him, that he hated his commanders. Most of them were idiots, he said. I wasn't very fond of my dad, but I did know (and still do) that he was a very smart man. I looked elsewhere for a career. Shortly after he gave me that instruction, he became a FAC pilot who got shot in the ass by the VC, even though he was sitting on a manhole cover. I was pissed at the USAF. I chose computer science. But I understand that the USAF has improved. Whatever the religious officers at the academy are doing seems to be working. I guess. I'm very happy in IT, but now I think that I would have been happy in the Navy, too. I'm fascinated with aircraft carriers. Unfortunately, my dad didn't know anything about the Navy. So it goes. Holy cow. What did I just write?

I didn't even know that second life had fighter pilots in the first place and you're telling me this guy is **the best** fighter pilot of them all??? I have to meet this legend

Boyde's lectures are like those product scams you see on yt. They grab a complicated matter and suggest a simple solution that would work on paper but not really, but then mask it as some ground breaking discovery by conplicating this simple idea to a point where people just assune theyre right because "its so complicated, it must be the solution to this complicated problem"

I’m pretty sure the greatest fighter pilot in the Vietnam war was Robin Olds. He was a triple ace. My grandpa flew the F105 on bombing runs while Olds flew the F4 Phantom.

The OODA loop is taught in my civilian flight school as a way to have a systematic problem solving method. A way to keep you on track in stressful situations and keep a team going forward.

I want a 1 hour, in-depth analysis of this "Chungus" fellow. Drunken LazerPig is very entertaining.

A friend of my dad's was an F-8 pilot in Vietnam, he never went without guns, but said the upgraded Sidewinders sure made a difference. The AIM-9D would actually work where the AIM-9B didn't. Not that he made a single air-to-air kill...

You're definitely my favorite military history/strategy youtuber, not only because you're funny and entertaining but also because you're one of the few who definitely is not a at all a nazi (or a tankie). Kinda disturbing how refreshing that is tbh

Lazerpig is back at it again with his incredibly long and detailed hyper-interesting intros that act as wonderful analogies for his main point

Wake up baby, LazerPig is sober again for 20 minutes

As someone who is stubborn, often self-centered, and has that gaping hole in my psyche that only attention of those around can seem to (momentarily) fill, I do feel for someone like Boyd. The problem is that I was cursed with self-reflection and a very insistent conscience, so I will never climb to the heights or dig to the lows that would allow for a Lazer Pig retrospective of my life.

LP: Makes video exposing fighter mafia Also LP: Moving to an undisclosed location Blink twice if you're being haunted by Sprey's ghost.

Never heard of the guy until you brought him up. Grandfather helped design the F-16( had the medal on his chest, 20 yrs at FTD at WPAFB)..his name was never brought up. At all.

The most amazing thing I found out from this video is that second life had an active battle re-enactment base with functional aircraft

One of my favorite most inspirational books about many topics, but essentially about not being afraid to take on big institutions if you know you're doing the right thing, comes from the book titled Boyd that I'm sure many people here have read. I love the anecdotes, I love the stories, and I love they show him as an imperfect person and that while he may excel in one area (although I'm anxiously waiting to hear what Lazerpig says about this) it doesn't necessarily make for a flawless protagonist. For example, how his family feels about him. I have a feeling after watching this video, the first thing I'm going to say to myself is, "The world made sense an hour ago!". I'm just waiting for my admiration of this man to come crashing down, like an aircraft downed by an F-15, a plane I recall Boyd fought against (which brings me back to him being an imperfect protagonist in my mind, albeit with good intentions). One thing I know, regardless of the conclusions of the video, is my mind and beliefs WILL be changed by Lazerpig's extremely well-researched and carefully thought out narrative. Which is why I will always keep coming back to this channel and loving it every time my beliefs do a 180 turn on a topic, because he makes such a dang strong compelling argument. So I say, LONG LIVE LAZERPIG!!!!

It’s like fighter plane aikido. He’s the Steven Seagal of fighter pilots.

Speaking of the OODA loop, found something interesting in what The Fat Electrician talked about. Not applying the loop but understanding it as the way most humans think. His story involved a door kicker that would throw in a rubber ducky instead of a flashbang grenade when breaching. The thinking behind it being that the bad guy would expect a flashbang coming through, and when it didn't, it threw the entire thinking process into reset mode, costing the unsuspecting bad guy vital moments.

Lazerpig's versions of sponsorship skits are the best.

The USMC still holds onto the OODA loop as well, and its taught rather frequently, even for military courses upon promotion. It's not a bad formula, it works well, but it's simple and it's supposed to be simple, not some great philosophy as some see it.

I will point out there are some situations where a plane needs a gun. HOWEVER, if you are in that situation, you, the pilot, have fucked up big time.

I think Frans Osinga's book on Boyd's strategic theories, "Science, Strategy and War: The Strategic Theory of John Boyd," would be an invaluable resource for this series, Lazerpig. You can find the PDF with a quick google search (not linking directly because KZfaq ate the first version of this comment, probably due to link, costing me 20 minutes of my life). I'm a Military Operations Research professional with a physics background and an interest in strategic theory, and had always heard vaguely good things about Boyd in this respect, so I eagerly sought out Osinga's book. The OODA loop is a generally sound concept, as you say. Having previously read some of the criticisms in the sources you link, I think some of them are a bit silly, treating it like Boyd was suggesting it as a rigid, single-threaded program that runs serially in the human brain or even in a large organization of many humans. I also think that perhaps you short-change the value of a conceptual framework like the OODA loop, particularly the focus on the Orientation stage (easy to miss - and indeed often missed in previous conceptual maps of the same cognitive territory). That sort of framework is invaluable as a guide for more in-depth analysis and modeling. Part of the problem with Boyd is that he then... didn't do that stuff. Also, the idea of getting inside the other guy's decision cycle is all over military thinking, not just the Air Force. Anyway, the more I read of Osinga's book, the more my jaw dropped. It turns out that much of Boyd's thinking was based on woo-ish misunderstandings or invalid analogies between scientific and mathematical concepts like the Laws of Thermodynamics and Godel Incompleteness (fair warning that Osinga doesn't seem to recognize this). Boyd was a voracious reader where it came to science, but from the book it was clear that he was a voracious reader of science *popularization* books and *magazine articles,* though admittedly in his day the science magazines were generally better than today. Such sources must, to fulfill their intent, reduce difficult and rigorous concepts to verbal descriptions, often using analogies, in order to make them accessible to a readership without a scientific background. A common source of crankery and confusion is smart people who read such popularizations and then take them to be fully comprehensive renditions of the theory or mathematical concept in question. This was just the trap into which Boyd fell, I believe unintentionally. The first tragedy here is that Boyd had the intellectual horsepower to tackle the fields that interested him, if he had known to seek out the appropriate books, journals, and experts who could have steered him. A great trouble for him was that he preferred to do his intellectual work alone and did not run it past people who could have caught and corrected his misunderstandings. The second is that I think he instinctively hit on some very interesting and potentially fruitful avenues for understanding strategy and war, but then wasted a huge proportion of his life going down blind alleys caused by the limits of the sources he was using.

the last few months have been the worst ones in my life, but after watching 5 minutes of this video i was like:"at least i'm not as bad as chungus"

What's funny is that if you actually read Victoria (don't, btw, it's rubbish) you'll see the handprints of the "reformers" all over it. An example is how the Christian Marines (lmao) use actual Soviet T-34 tanks as their main armored vehicle, because of it's "superior rugged construction" compared to modern tanks.

I appriciate my uncle who was with Shah Masouds Republican forces in Afghanistan he was always honest he didnt partake in combat but he did repair stuff for combat mostly vehicles, he never lied or made himself bigger then he was.

John Boyd invented the ooda loop in the same way that Isaac Newton invented gravity

So the OODA loop has made it onto the curriculum of many Army staff colleges of NATO nations, but mostly as a way to illustrate the importance of rapidity and flexibility in staff action - things like shortening the time delay between sensor and shooter, adopting proven battle drills to enable faster reaction times, and not falling in love with a plan to the point where one ignores that the situation has completely changed and the plan is no longer valid. It's a fairly good way to discuss the feedback between sense, plan, and execute and about how being able to execute that process faster can enable success vs someone who is slower at it. But you are quite correct that no actionable doctrine rests on the foundations of the OODA loop. There is no sketch of it in my field message pad. No op order I have ever written uses the stages of the loop as phases of the operation. I have never asked a solider if they have transitioned from "orient" to "decide", and so on. As a teaching tool for a specific concept, it's fine - useful, even. But it isn't used outside of the classroom, save sometimes in a motivational speech by a commander or Chief of Staff trying to speed up a lethargic staff.

23:38 love how that's not just Hellsing Ultimate, it's Hellsing Ultimate ABRIDGED, with *JUD FOREST, FROM THE SOUTH CAROLINA BAPTIST CONFEDERATE CONGREGATION*

Lazerpig and SCP-096 should have a podcast where they talk about taxes.

I loved the mention of William S Lind at the end. He and his book (which is basically if a Boyd fanboy wrote the Turner Diaries) deserve a video by themselves.

Used to know a guy who was obsessed with this OODA stuff. He really thought it was the cat's pajamas. To me it sounded like "enhance pilot's ability to think quickly by reducing the tasks of managing the aircraft".

I can't believe you've doomed over 424,000 people by showing them the face of SCP-096. You're a monster LazerPig.

So many cameos but not a single article yet... *sad F-111 noise*

As a fellow historian (whom is working on his MA in Historic Preservation), I salute you, LazerPig, for tackling topics filled with mythology and trying to find the actual root information. Even in a field so full of professional historians and researchers, there is always new information to be broken and myths to be dispelled, whether the people within the field actually want that or not. Thank you for not shying away from the difficult topics of military history, you make the entire field better by showcasing your research.

You’re a treasure LazerPig. Please keep the content coming. Can’t wait for the eventual F111 vid.

The rewatch on these videos is pretty great a year later.

a general tip to anyone who reads comments and sees this, if you ever see something in media claiming to be changing, reinventing, defeating, mastering and or suberting "the art of war" is 9/10 dogshit material. this is because the art of war is like a manual for basic military thinking meant to get a newly recruited commander who can read in a age where literacy was rare up to speed on the basics. essentially the art of war isn't meant to compete with your work if you make modern strategy in any way as its the sheer basics only meant to cause the commander in question to think, its not a rule book its not a paint by numbers to victory, its a manual so you are on the same foundation with your rival commanders and superiors, so when a book about plane combat claims it changed the art of war its absolute dung.

My Grandad was in the RAF and took part in exercises with the USAF. He said their pilots were predictable, this would have been around the time that Boyd was an instructor. Guess he was why Grandad wasn't impressed with them.

when it comes to the F-4s performance in vietnam there are some details left out. the US military started this conflict with a lot of gear using very unreliable analog electronics horribly exacerbated by the humid weather. This was improved massively by the limited introduction of solid state electronics on certain equipment. the simple fact is that early air force aim-9Es and aim-7Es (and early phantoms to a degree) just sucked. sure tactics and maintenance and doctrine all matter but these weapons were just bad weapons due to their reliability issues, which largely stem from being analog electronics that just have way higher failure rates. It is true that the navy never got the same gun as USAF F-4Es but the F-4J with its pulse doppler radar using the aim-9H with its solid state electronics were huge upgrades that massively improved the reliability and therefore ease of use of these systems. similarly air force phantoms getting better in dog fight was not just "muh gun" but also receiving leading edge extensions from the agile eagle program that gave a huge jump in high AoA performance which not only helped with gun but also aim9 employment. These upgrades together with the changes in training is what turned that early war lackluster performance around. better trained late war pilots would still have been hamstrung by the poor equipment that has much higher inherent failure rates. These trends are backed up by looking at how other NATO partners adopted these systems. The british and Italians refused to adopt the AIM-7E or its derivatives without first building a brand new seeker head with solid state electronics (and for british phantoms using the pulse doppler radar on their USN derived phantoms). Meanwhile the germans which did adopt the USAF phantom never bothered with the AIM-7E either instead leaving it completely out and removing a fuel tank to make the most of their agile eagle equipped "dogfight" phantom. The germans would also take their massive stock of aim-9Bs and re-equip them with massively better solid state seeker heads resulting in the aim-9F (FGW.2).

The Air Force has even created a version of the OODA Loop for logistics functions: AoP, the “Art of the Possible”.

I‘d love if Lazerpig made hour+ long videos, especially about fighter planes. I‘d gobble up that stuff

When that pentagon wars music kicks in it's like lazerpig is handing me a warm milk, tucks me into bed, and starts reading me a bedtime story about warfare logistics.

I love how we're 9 minutes in to the 25 minute video and we're just now done with the necessary anecdotal intro setting up the whole thing. Perfect

it's great to see lazerpig popping off and getting sponsors, the stuff he puts out is super interesting

Before 1 billion other comments buries this one: I’m not quite sure on how to say this, but, Lazerpig, are you doing good or better? I have some vague memory of you saying that not everything was alright and i have been slightly worried since. Or am i just an idiot who let sarcasm fly over my head?

Considering the relative lull in the fighting in Ukraine I, for one, would love to hear your take on the past (near) year's worth of fighting and any thoughts you've had about how military thinking may need to be revised, if at all. Thoughts on the fact that the war has basically gone back to WW1 levels of stalemate (quite litterally in some places). Things that like

I worked for the Australian Air Force as a subcontractor for 4 years and was working there just after the macchie trainers had finished service. I can tell you they were the last aircraft to use the gun range before the intermittent use of towing a cable with a banner attached for guns practice for FA18 jets. Pretty sure it’s not done at all now

Lazerpig is the only content creator that I not only never skip ads but I have rewatched them.

Thank you for reinforcing the points about the guns during Vietnam and their relation to the US Navy! I made a video on the topic about a year ago, and I found the gun proponents really only have two arguments to back up their case, which are “what if you run out of missiles?” And “X pilot said planes should have guns, so I believe him.”

I'll just say that as an active Air Force Officer, I've never heard of the OODA loop. Maybe it's a phrase only used in a few carrier fields, but to say the air force is obsessed seems like an overstatement.

13:56 ah yes. It was the over reliance on missiles. Not the fact we were fighting a war with no actual goal, fighting an enemy we , and to this day still don’t, have no actual experience fighting

So happy you're continuing to post. Good luck with the relocation!

The OODA Loop... Otherwise known as "observe, think, and act." Otherwise know as, "monkey see, monkey do." Otherwise known as, "live." Thats some revolutionary, one of a kind, genius level thinking there.

The main thing is that even after the f4 got the nose gun upgrade it was the missiles that were still getting almost all the kills. If anything after the upgrade the missiles were getting a higher percentage of them then when they still had to rely on the gun pods.

OODA loop In a war fighting or even self Defense encounter is a really overtly technical way of saying ”action is faster than reaction.”

Your sponsor integration was perfect. I've never liked a video based on an early ad spot before, well done.

Good to hear from you again. Always makes my day to see one of your videos drop.

As a former frequent SL furry user, your preamble gave me a thousand yard stare and I'd love for you to cover more. Well, I'd listen to a fellow Scot read the yellow pages when they're as entertaining as you.

It's also weird because whenever I heard "Fighter Mafia" before you did these videos, I always thought "Veteran dogfighters like Robin Olds pushing for changes in training and tactical doctrine."

I am looking forward to this years banner subject LP, I grew up as the nephew of a Navy fighter pilot and he got me into aviation so for a long time some of these guys were kinda legendary fugures, until more recent times. It all starts with that F4 myth as well, at least for me and one of the people I read interviews and articles from that broke the myth was Col. Ransom Olds, he talks about how they had to rethink how they fought while performing Wild Weasle runs, kinda tipped me off that something was a miss. I ran this by my Uncle before he passed and he told me " in the Navy we didn't use this stuff for a reason, it was useless" that also kinda dented the mythos. Glad to see the aproach you're taking, no disrespect, no dunks, just calling out the facts for what they are and I think I am about to learn a bunch of new stuff.

We’re taught the OODA Loop in civilian aviation school. I’ll actually say it does help organize your thoughts during emergency procedures, it’s one of the simpler acronyms we’re taught to memorize. Which is partly why I use it lol.

Yet another fantastic video. I love the way you don't just talk about history, cool weapons, tanks, planes, people and all the rest, but also talk further in depth of the cultural understanding and impact of those things. The historiography of it, to use a fancy word.

I am really glad that someone managed to articulate my frustration with the OODA loop concept (particularly in the armchair general context). Every time I've heard someone try to explain how they "successfully interrupted (enemy players') OODA loop", it entirely boiled down to surprising them with an ambush; or, alternatively, it's been a bollocks anecdote (like that rubber ducky instead of a flashbang story elsewhere in the comments).

As someone who played in a Wehrmacht tank unit on SL (I just liked German tanks tbh, and I was like, 19 at the time) , the Chungus person doesn't surprise me st all. People doing those milsim things took shit so seriously, always upset that the tank I used was older tech wise so it wasn't as accurate physically, meaning sometimes the shots they fired didn't register, failing to remember that server lag and the like are a thing.

I was not expecting to get a flashback of late-aughts Second Life milsim communities. I had migrated through just about all of the major ones (Ordo, VG, Mercz, etc.) with a friend and I VAGUELY recall hearing the story of Chungus. I think he was one of those groups in the metered combat (milsims where you had to equip a "meter" to track damage/ammo/etc.) community so I didn't interact much with that, metered combat groups were more toxic overall than the giant furry chill stoner jump pack zone that was SL combat. I think most migrated to Planetside 2 while others dissolved. I miss those halcyon days of coming up with new combat-capable avatars and exploring the lovingly rendered sims of futuristic spaceships, I love that time I made a combat-capable Tyranid Lictor avatar.

Some people call it "moving house" while others call it "fleeing prosecution".

Best luck with all the things going and your content is always absolutely fantastic to watch!😉

One of these videos is as worth it to me as a years worth of other content! Keep it up 💪🏼

I was taught the OODA loop a long long time ago. Not sure why. But the basic idea of it is, when you are in a stressful situation your mind will weigh every option available to you which takes time. You need to be mentally and physically prepared for the event prior to engaging in it, thus pre-plan your infil and exfil route and have an SOP of reaction to contact. Then, if you want to be fancy, you can challenge your enemies decision making through incorporation of known-random, like using odd entry routes, or instead of destroying their defenses/barricades, you build more on top of theirs; turning their prepared defensive millhouse into a jail cell. During negotiation, call them and ask how their day was, their favorite food and drink, ask them about the football game, anything EXCEPT the situation and then just hang up in the middle of their speech. Just don't talk about the elephant in the room, they are the only one sweating about it.

I just had a two hour discussion on Boyd and Sprey this weekend! I hope LaserPig backs me up!

If your fighter had >guns as main armament >is lightweight >only have enough fuel for dogfight >no radars >cheap Your perfect fighter is Folland Gnat. That's why they replaced F-14 in Hot Shots!

what you're describing with the Ooda loop happens over and over again in all sorts of industries, the rail freight's Operation Ratio comes to mind as another metric which is held as gold in an insular group of people, but is a total junk metric outside of them

I’ve got an annoying layover tomorrow, so thank you for uploading this just in time!

OODA Loop is just the Green Cross Code: Stop, Look, Listen, Cross.

Chungus is a man who has realized a great truth, that you cannot lose if you never fight. If only Russia had realized the same great truth.

I hope your move goes smoothly, and merry Christmas, L.P.! Great video, I look forward to the following!

Quick video summary: This chungus's name? John Boyd. Edit: memery aside, I recall really liking Osinga's book Science, Strategy, and War. I'll definitely be interested in this ongoing critical series on Boyd.

It's really weird, because the arguments against mutlirole planes have never been tactical, but strategic: a plane that has extreme maintenance requirements limits how often it could be used in any long conflict, and thus, cheaper, inferior planes are also needed for the times you _aren't_ expecting to deal with lots of modern equipment. But that's an argument for drones and up-armoured crop dusters, not WW2 style jet fighters.

Laszerpig is the only person who can get off track and still keep my attention

Happy Holidays Lazerpig, and gl on the move

It's intresting the way you describe Boyd's lectures as the main thing the ooda loop reminds me of is the various conflict mananagment training Ive been to over the years, which are usually presented as loops and which basically boil down to acknowledge, restate and confuse the person who is initiating the conflict until they are satisfied or go away (and if properly done I've found works like a Jedi mind trick, although if used on someone with similar training can backfires massively). It almost sounds from your description that the lectures are a similar technique applied to a audience rather than an individual or two. No real point, just thought it was an intresting comparison

Hope your move goes well and can't wait to see what you have coming LazerPig 🙌

Actually to be fair the OODA loop in its basic form is very useful in management, especially in a competitive environment. Simply: react faster than the other guy.

It's weird how something like the inverse of this kind of absurdity can happen as well: the Third Rich fetishized the works of Friedrich Nietzsche, yet very little of what they did would convince you that they had understood a word of it besides the idea that there was something wrong with modern Germany. To be fair, Nietzsche's work is difficult to comprehend partly because of it's style, but partly because of how pioneering it was and to the extent that Nietzsche himself could not have understood what he'd discovered because he was the single greatest psychologist of all time (as stated by Jung) working before there was psychology; before Freud. what he discovered was the unconscious which he conceived as "the instincts" or the Dionysian principle as opposed to the Apollonian. The irony of Nietzsche being the one to proclaim the death of God was that in doing so he was the first person to see the godhead for what it can be understood to be today: a psychological reality. In other words God "died" because Nietzsche realized that the old conception of God was misleading in the same way that you might be taken aback upon realizing that a 3-D image is actually a flat plane that only appears three dimensional by means of forced perspective. In practice, what Hitler took from Nietzsche was not his genius but his neuroses; his elitism, loneliness, emphasis on willpower, lust for domination, and a frightful misapprehension of his anti-morality exploited to promote antisemitism. Nietzsche emphasized these things because they represent the instinctive Dionysian portion of the psyche that had been shut out by the excess of the Apollonian civility when what was truly needed was a synthesis of the two. What he very presciently observed was that an exclusion of the instincts was very rapidly denuding life of it's meaning; mankind had become too domesticated in his eyes. But when he called upon himself to provide the answer to this problem of excessive differentiation, an answer was unforthcoming and he was caught in a spasm of consciousness that Jung believes led to his insanity and early death. He was far enough ahead of his time to foresee the problem, but too early to detach himself from it and understand it sufficiently to form an answer. So far nobody has to the extent of something that can be implemented on a large scale. That is the most important thing people typically get wrong with Nietzsche; where he calls for a balance of the two principles, conservative minded people only see advocacy for the Apollonian, while I suspect other thinkers such as Foucault on the progressive side only saw a case for the Dionysian. You may ask how Nietzsche could have failed to untangle this if he was so smart, but you have to understand that Nietzsche didn't do any of this -- Zarathustra and all the other works happened to him in the same way that a dreams happens to you at night.

It's 9am, I'm shivering in bed because covid has my fever spiking again, and I'm running out of food, but I will cling on to this mortal coil long enough to hear one last laserpig rant.