I can not wait for H8 Mail but the Hate has an 8 in it. From this joker review.

He dances too much? But he's dancing with the Devil by the pale moonlight

some of you guys are ok dont go to gotham city tomorrow

2:09 Mason, this _is_ my favorite podcast Though it is also the _only_ podcast I listen to

Them: Joker wasn't that good Me: we live in a society

"incel jesus" is hilarious. double thumbs up for Mason.

0:00 The Start Of The Show 2:41 Bond No Time To Die poster 5:40 Tom Holland saved Spider-Man 9:07 Obi Wan update 11:17 Picard trailer 16:47 Watchmen pilot big fun! 17:30 Martian Manhunter in Justice League 20:33 Birds Of Prey trailer 24:40 Scorcese hates Marvel 31:33 Joker (spoilers 47:47 - 1:06:24) 1:03:24 Letters It’s Time For Letters 1:08:10 What We Reading/What We Gonna Read for Mobile/I Phone/ Android users

Damn, this nailed how I felt about this film.

I hate when people say "you can't joke about anything anymore." what about always sunny, Big mouth, F is for family, a lot of modern stand ups? It's all about context.

Upon hearing Mason's Tom Holland impression, I think Tom would be a perfect casting choice for a live action Mikey Mouse movie.

The part where he said I forgot to punch out was funny to me

"Wigs are eternal." -Mr Sunday Movies, 2019

I did look around like it was my computer :(

Early reactions: THIS MOVIE GONNA CAUSE MASS SHOOTINGS!!!! Worldwide reactions: THIS MOVIE GONNA CAUSE RANDOM DANCING!!!!!!!

For the first time since I’ve been following this podcast, The Goat, Party Boi Mason and I disagree on how I would rate this movie.

I was so used to seeing him in the wheel chair as PX I forget he could walk in real life.

I will now refer to good looking dude bods as rigs.

1:00:16 If you want to see a comic book movie just film someone flipping the pages of a comic book for 2 hours.

Jokes on you, Mason. This IS my favorite podcast and I DO listen on the way to work. Wakes me up and gives me the positive vibes to deal with my dick of a boss.

Thank you for point out the computer "bong". I did start look at my phone like it did it.

I just want a great live action Street Sharks movie...

Thanks for this review, I have only found 2 reviews that reflect how I feel about the movie. So thanks for being one of them. Also you may have to do an entire episode of h8te mail after this episode, except the 8 will have to be an 80. Yhe people who love this movie are quite unreasonable about it.

Curious, was your podcast uploads cancelled on Google play? There hasn't been a new episode in months

James a heads up, the timecodes don’t line up for the non-youtube upload (e.g. through apple podcasts) due to a 30 second hosting advert at the start Also the letters and what we reading timecodes are swapped 🙃

This review really suprised me to be honest. You guys are usually dead on with my thoughts on movies but lately it's been the opposite. I loved the film. Sure it wasn't the true comic accurate joker but as a film, it was refreshing. Endgame left me bored with the genre. I can see why some people may not like this film but this review was way rougher than I was expecting. But thats the whole point of opinions. Keep up the good work.

On James and masos comments on Todd Phillips view on comedy. I think offensive comedy does still have a place in polite *bloody PC gone mad m8* society. Even if some groups have been marginalised, they still exhibit trends which are relevant to bring up, with the humour breaking down the metaphorical elephant in the room. E.g. Jim Jeffries on gun control, bill burr talking about his wife, Joe Rogans podcast, Dave chappelle on cancel culture.

Im getting the impression from the reviews that comic book and DC fans don't like this film, because its not enough like the source materials, which is fair enough. However as someone who is not really a DC or comic book fan i loved!

I train delivery drivers for a global logistics company and we train 9 & 3 for steering wheel hand position due to air bags. 10 & 2 + airbag can mean you hit yourself in the face when it deploys.

"please sir" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I did not see this coming.

You guys don't know but in florida there was actually a ton of people dressing up as clowns and doing crimes round 2016 lol

Yeah I thought the movie was alright too. The acting was good but it wasn't very impactful to me

Now Maso’ hares Joker more than ever for blind-siding him in review quizes… about Marvel movies.

Get ready for all the #h8mailbutthehatehasaneightinit from this review. Lol......sorry that's just me uncontrollably laughing in an uncomfortable situation. Please excuse me as I go wash my mother and dance. Feel bad for me.

Totally with you guys. I love Joaquins performance and a lot of things about it, but very predictable and heavy handed. Also, not comicbook like at all. Probably B+ tho

Decided to go see the joker in theaters so I could finish this podcast instead of waiting for it to come out on redbox.

i test screened joker and there was a scene of kid jared leto watching this joker on tv and copying him, is what i heard and it got an extremely negative reaction and it was cut in the version i watched

Man I wish you guys did these with video. Best podcast on the net.

I agree with Mason and James about Joker. I feel like this movie was more a movie about how he got the name Joker. It doesn't show really anything else about how Joker became the craziest and most feared criminal in Gotham. I don't see Author as any kind of threat to future Batman. I just see him as someone who needs help. Like I really think that if someone was to take a few minutes and talk to Author they could help change his mind and convince him to get help.

So Martin Scorsese posits that gangster murder flicks ARE human beings emotionally connecting? Interesting. Agree to disagree.

“So here are our guests: this guy we’ve been making fun of… and some old lady.”

It’s hard to ignore this movie once he dawns the makeup so tense AF

Maybe Marvel movie is like how olds refer to every video game as Nintendo

Comedy isn't dead. It just evolved.

Mason's Tom Holland impression makes my day!

I thought it was very good, but I couldn't fall in love with it, not a game changer. I had a couple of criticisms but not one of them line up with the criticisms in this video

The eyebrows are intense because it's a *Romulan* not a Vulcan.

I'm always surprised when the mates hate certain movies. I expected them to like it.

The film holds less rigidly under repeat viewing, the plot is paper thin... it’s not a bad film but it is largely predictable and the major twist turns out to be redundant. Phoenix and Philips comments in interviews show that they don’t really understand the character. That being said - it’s an enjoyable film in many respects... Phoenix pulls in a really entertaining performance and the grotty look of Gotham city is impressively executed. It just as a film doesn’t seem to really understand what it is. It’s an interesting film about a man with mental illness... it’s a modern retelling of Falling Down. But it’s not a Joker movie.

God dammit I fell for the beep on James's computer. Absolutely thought that was a facebook notification.

This movie is just a joke story Heath Ledger’s Joker is telling one day when he’s bored in Arkham.

I do like the show but I gotta agree with yah. If you're gonna make a joker it would be nice if they alluded to how cunning the joker is. Like if he planned the train thing. More things like that. And yeah I couldn't stand the speech at the end

The Zazie beats relationship was imaginary? How did I not catch that? What scene do they confirm it?

I kid you not, my PC updated me with a message, half a second it happened in the podcast. thought my audio had a weird echo effect going on lol. What were the chances!

i really zipped around like it was my computer

.......I really REALLY loved Joker......

31:37 start of JOKER talk 👍🏼

Forgot the part when he kills the one fat clown and then you watch the dwarf go for the lock on the door and he has to continue to cower and ask Flek to unlock the door for him. I think the movie may have felt dry after not too long trying to drive home, by the way his life is still shit. However i don't think that anyone's mind should be vastly swayed one way or the other just because it is or is not loosely based in a comic environment. The one thing that did seem even worse, was the fact that the clown army saving him and supporting him... was just happening because we knew it was going to happen, and they showed some clown masks before. show more side characters maybe, i don't know.

My issue with the movie is that it seems utterly embarrassed to be a comic book movie. Look at LOGAN for example. That was definitely Mangold and Hugh Jackman going for a more “art house” CBM but it still *looked* and *felt* like a Wolverine movie. This just feels like some Oscar bait, Scorsese homage flick they just made about The Joker for marketing purposes.

Is the movie Joker really ruined if you have watched The King of Comedy and Taxi Driver? I'm legit asking because I never seen those movies and I am surprised on how much they disliked the movie. I also have the mindset that the movie is the weirdest and realest elseworld origin stories for Joker so I really don't mind the vast departure from the mainstream Joker.

I have a really long ending theory about Joker so beware spoilers So throughout the movie we only see solid evidence of three things making Arthur really happy, first we hear him say that he was happier being locked up in Arkham Asylum and secondly we see him happy while running from the police after killing Randall, he's smiling the whole time and smiles and dances when the cops get beaten up, he is also happy in his delusions with Sophie, completely bending his perception of events around him even. Secondly I just want to remind everyone, admittedly unneccesarily, of the line "This whole time I thought my life was a tragedy, turns out it's a fucking comedy." We also see throughout the movie that when Arthur is unhappy or someone else is he takes his fingers and forces a smile onto his/their face. Now in the end of the movie we see everyone cheering for Arthur, the city burning, basically Arthur has everything he ever wanted. He has love, attention, fame, the destruction of the very city that he feels has been wronging him and more yet he still reaches up and forces a smile on himself. We then see the crowd and the Joker one last time, fade to black and then to Arkham. My theory is that in that moment when Arthur finally achieves his dream and gets everything he wants in life he feels empty, nothing changes, he still feels horrible, he still hates life, he feels like the same old Arthur Fleck and in that moment he has one more delusion. He imagines that he's back being held in Arkham that he's able to genuinely laugh finally at the grandest joke of all, his life. He thinks of the fact that he has everything he ever wanted and that life is perfect for him but he hates it, there is no happiness for him, his life IS a comedy. She asks him what he's laughing about and he says just a joke he thought of, he then thinks of the real events that have played out in his life, she asks what and he says you wouldn't get it because nobody else would in his mind, he has everything and feels empty. He then walks out in full handcuffs, locked, it would seem, once again in Arkham and he runs trailing bloody footprints only to be chased, seemingly endlessly, by two men. His only genuinely happy moments in his life are being blended together in one big delusion, he finally achieved everything and he's not happy he just wishes he could be happy again which he knows will never happen. Just being back in Arkham and being chased and feeling alive and like he exists is his new delusion of "grandeur" his new "happy place" is just how things were when he was happy.

Very very surprised at y'alls opinion on Joker. Great podcast as always gents! 😁

I was listening to this podcast while I tried to lift weights at home and when you guys started going "AYE AYE AYE" at the start I laughed and it made me drop a weight on my floor and my downstairs neighbours gave me a noise complaint. Real nice, guys. Real nice.

Did he get arrested though? His hair wasn't green at the end unless it was really far in the future

“If you’ve seen the trailers then you won’t be surprised by anything in the movie”..... im sorry what?

I thought the game was Megaton Rainfall. Did they change the name in Australia?

Aye Aye Aye!!

Honestly I’m so happy to finally hear somebody not obsess over this movie. I saw it and thought it was pretty meh, and I really thought people at large would hate it. I was shocked to hear everyone liking it so much.

This is my first time listening to this podcast. The microphones sounds horrible. What's with the echo and vibration?

It's hands at 2 & 3 now.

Is spiderman talk the new star wars news? Where it's james' equivalent to maseou's hate of star wars news (well now it's tollerance I guess)

The Bruce Wayne parents thing is more of a Batman as a property problem.

Skip to 0:00 for the beginning

I thought it was good. I suppose because i didn't expect too much from a film about a guy dressed as a clown.

51:35 Indeed I did

The rant at the end of Joker wasn't Arthur whinging about petty things like "Kids stealing his sign", the whole film was about mental illness and how people abandon the mentally ill and what happens when someone who has been abandoned turns violent. It seems like you guys just had a bone to pick with this film prior to seeing it, you brought up all of the Media talking points, like the colour of his skin and Incels. The colour of Arthur's skin is never mentioned in the film and him being an "Incel" is never mentioned, so you guys obviously decided to highlight the same talking points as the Media (who have been instigating and setting the stage for a Mass Shooting to take place at a Joker screening for three weeks now). Also I'd much prefer if DC went this route with their films from now on, as the DLCEU was embarrassingly bad and after 6 years of them constantly putting out movies within the DLCEU, not a single film has been even remotely good. The MCU has run it's course and ended with Cap and Tony, so it will be refreshing if comic book movies move away from the mindless spectacle of the MCU and moved towards smaller stories. As I can go the rest of my life without ever having to sit through another 30 minute long CGI battle where characters are immune to damage and undercut all the tension by spitting out Pop Culture references and everyone talking like Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

If people participating in real revolutions all over the world weren't dressing up as the Joker from this film, maybe I'd think this is some run of the mill POS movie that had nothing to say, but that isn't the case.

I personally agree with the fellas. My main issue is with all the inclusions of the Wayne family. Phoenix was undoubtedly the best aspect and his performance was captivating so I would've much rathered they continue the study of the joker and alluded to the Waynes. It bogged down the movie in the sense that I was constantly thinking of how he was going to be fourty (at least) when he was finally fighting Batman and being the classic Joker. All the Wayne scenes were also the worst aspects (except for the ones featuring with his mum).

I havent seen Joker yet cause i have no desire to see a humanized joker. Dudes a monster

Every town needs a "Skull 'n Bongs".... Then there would be less clowns...

scorsese watched dark pheonix, i tell you!

The Two Great Conundrums of Cinema in the '10s - How Everybody Hated The Last Jedi How Everybody Loved Joker

Why were you associated with comicbookmovie.com to begin with? Also #SwanneckVCornofCoblin

So glad one of y'all hated Joker as much as I did...

Martin Scorsese could lured ito a Marvel /comic book movie if it were a remake of the Infernal since it "inspired" his The Departed

re: Scorcese I honestly don't know how anyone could consider Into the Spiderverse a bad movie (honesty my favorite movie of that year), particularly if they grew up on Spider-man comics, as Marty surely did

As for everyone knowing who is spiderman is, i feel the fact they added Talos and skrulls at the end seems like an easy fix I mean petter rocks up then a skrull rocks up as spiderman or vice versa

You guys watched this with thee Broden Kelly? Mate, get him on the show

What else does he not consider cinema then? Is it too narrow a view, like when theatre goers where of the mindset that movies were a fad and not true art form when movies first caught on with the masses. Though, that probably hit upon where money was trending towards, was it going away from theater and playwrights/directors/actors were feeling the pinch of the new media. Anyways, Martin Scorsese doesn't have to like it, just maybe come across less condescending . . it seemed a bit belittling for all parties involved. Especially since both sides are still working and may cross paths.

I feel like something that confuses people about this movie is the idea that you're meant to empathize with the Joker. He's not meant to be a heroic or likable character. Like Travis Bickle he is an inherently broken character who we are meant to see as fundamentally toxic, as are many of the people in those films. This is far more common as a narrative device in novels and short stories that aren't produced by four-quadrant seeking Hollywood producers, or independent fare like the similar Observe and Report

I came here to say I love this film. Also It’s actually the movie Joker!

The movie was kinda similar to the telltale batman series

Whoop whoop

Yoker

This movie really thinks it is saying something about society while at the same time trying to ask what is real. But you really need to have one or the other.

Hyperbollocks

"The Joker was okay" Please allow me to disagree. Honestly I couldn't disagree with you more. Doesn't mean this isn't still my favorite podcast

Agree with Mason 100%.

Thomas Wayne in this movie was actually quite Thomas Wayne-y. He was protective of his son and punched Arthur. A bit unneccessarily violent but this is Flashpoint Batman after all. Some versions of Thomas also show him as a guy with a bit of a shady background. Also people need to stop saying that Joker could just have been a movie about a mentally ill guy. Where's the fun in that? You would be stripping the movie of a lot of amazing elements. Like the uncontrollable laugh. While Joker didnt show himself to be as smart as his comic counterpart, he was a calculated and obsessive villain as evident from the scene where he's rehearsing for the talk show. It is such a Joker thing to want to make his plans (his "jokes") perfect down to all the little details. I couldnt disagree any more with these review.

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I never thought about it before but if you've never seen any of the earlier MCU movies and just happen to watch Ragnarok as your first movie it must come off and fucking BONKERS. The Norse god of thunder is thrown into a sci-fi garbage world where he is enslaved by the ruler Jeff Goldblum and forced to fight a gigantic raging green man for the people entertainment. His only chance for escape is the help of some unlikely allies including a drunkin' former Valkyrie, a goofy scientist who turns into a rage monster, and the thunder god's adopted traitorous trickster brother. Oh yeah and don't forget there is another story about another god dressed in all black who's killing everyone in an attempt to take control of her homeworld while a flaming demon king tries to destroy the whole planet for blah blah reason. 😂😂😂