I love it when the algorithm finally recognises that I crave long form video essay analysis. Thank you for feeding my addiction

I think the last interaction between Arthur and his therapist is real because she’s probably losing her job… she doesn’t have a reason not to be real for a second

I love a 2-hour video essay where they admit in the intro that they can’t answer the question

It's crazy trying to remember the concerns we had, societally, in 2019 when this movie came out. There were significant numbers of people that avoided seeing this film on its opening weekend because they were worried about a potential _Dark Knight Rises_ event (to put it in euphemistic terms). Also crazy to remember that 2019 was half a decade ago.

I had an interview with Bank of America and the guy interviewing me literally asked me to sell him his pen. I guess it makes sense that management at an international bank would miss the point.

Just 6 mins in and already and already in awe of the emaculate high quality production.. You really poured everything into this one.. You need more attention!!

I feel compelled to help the algo recognize good analysis. I love your insights, man. You don't get enough love. Great work!

I agree with Scorsese. If you're a grown ass man or woman who needs someone to tell you that harming others for pleasure or spite is wrong, you were just looking for an excuse to be validated, and someone telling you it's wrong isn't going to convince you. That's why "Cuties" is so flawed. They exploited real children to morally convict child exploitation. But anyone who needs to be told child exploitation is wrong isn't going to watch the movie for its lesson, they're going to watch it to relish in the very act the movie is apparently trying to convict. But Joker, Wolf of Wall Street, Scarface, etc. doesn't actually commit the very acts it depicts, so it's entirely different. If Joker depicted actual murders, the point is tries to make would be invalid. But the murders it depicts are entirely fictionalized, so the points it makes can be safely explored.

A deeply interesting subject and analysis. Still the most slept on KZfaq channel out there. Absolute top quality. Well edited, researched and thought out. Just... *chef's kiss*

Something can be cathartic for the character and the audience without the media actually endorsing the character or the catharsis. I never felt like the movie was telling me the Joker was right or that his twisted view is something we should agree with. It's more just that it's understandable. Humanising villains isn't endorsing them. And endorsing them isn't humanising them _ahem_ Cruella, Wicked, Maleficent.

I think it's really important that we learn how to empathize with people whose actions we would never endorse. There are some contexts where anyone would agree and say it's obvious - like addicts, alcoholics, etc. But when it comes to something like murderers or rapists, it's not so easy. If someone commits a violent crime, especially against kids, we all feel completely justified in calling them a monster, and dreaming up all kinds of poetically horrifying punishments for them. But those retributive instincts are poison, and we should never indulge them. I'm not the slightest bit religious, but even the Bible touches on this at some points. (Unfortunately contradicts it at other points... and that's why it's more of a Rorschach test than a moral guide.) But anyway, this is something I've thought about a lot as I've gotten older, trying to understand some of the horrible things people do to each other. Instead of feeling/expressing hatred and disgust for people that commit those crimes, we should realize that they are sick and try to exercise empathy. If not for their sake, then for our own. We may never be able to "cure" them... but at the very least, we should try not to let their sickness infect us. Retribution is the easy path, empathy is hard.

Honestly one of my fav video essays, so well produced and obviously well thought through!!!

Thank you for this incredibly interesting and insightful video essay. I'm probably a similar age to you, 27, right between millenial and gen z and I'm just now coming to terms with allowing nuance to exist... it's really fascinating how hard we crave for boxes to put things in and how frustrated we get when they don't neatly fit, I think it puts us into a kind of cognitive dissonance, that we don't know how to resolve. And it's really interesting to re-evaluate things while allowing for nuance to exist, because often when we do so, we can have a lot more fascinating discussions, in my opinion, so thank you very much for this discussion!

Just started and this is already art

This was exactly my jam!! The Honey Boy connection was excellent, as was basically every other moment. I hope you're proud of this one! I experienced a moment of perhaps unintentional dark humor at the end when you're groovin in full Joker mode and then we see 'Makeup and script editing by my beloved partner who asked to remain unnamed'. I fully believe this btw, and they also contributed some lovely touches to this piece! It just hits a darkly funny place for me given the nature of the Joker's own relationship in this movie, like I could see him talking about his 'partner' that way in universe. Greatly anticipating whatever you're cookin up next!

Love the moment where you edit out the on-the-nose empathizing dialogue between Arthur and the therapist because that’s really interesting what you said in the follow up! The nuance…Maybe Joker is kind of good (but more the individual parts rather than the sum).

I've been looking for an actually insightful video essay for months thank you so much I'll deep dive the rest of your videos for the rest of the week

American history x needs to mentioned in this discussion. Probably fight club as well

I was mentally unwell himself, and when I saw this film - it was so close to experience on vibe level, that I got sick. Great work of art

AMAZING video. Seriously enjoyed this. Thank you for giving such a wonderful video to people ❤

Wow. I did not expect such a longform examination of this movie from you. I love your stuff, keep it up, this kind of content suits you.

I find your point about Wolf of wall street very clearly being a critique of greed, when the film itself was apparently marred in a malaysian money laundering scheme controversy, and the fact that the film has the freaking con man Belfort himself make a cameo.

I love how there are so many moments in the movie that are clearly Arthur's mind. The therapist scene is just one of many great examples of things that likely didn't play out how they're depicted in the film. The therapist in that scene is Arthur's thoughts, and I love it

This was stellar! What a thoughtful and thorough analysis, really happy that this popped up in my recommended! New sub alert!!

This was such a refreshing watch, you have found a new fan with this

Gosh I love these long videos so much

This one is way underrated. What a thoughtful and insightful video. Kudos! Keep it up, the algo will reward you soon enoug.

We appreciate your insights. You'll always have our support.

wow, this is absolutely awesome and just my cup of tea. instant sub. hope this blows up even more!

What a fantastic video! So well done. Love the Joker bit

meeptop u are going to be so famous so quickly i hope u are prepared bc ur videos are just amazing and everyones gonna see them

such a brilliant video, perfectly worded and researched

Just found your channel and wanted to say your content is awesome. It's clear you put a lot of effort into everything and I really love to see that. Hope your channel really starts to flourish!

wow this video popped up right when i wanted to watch something long, commenting for the algo and to keep up on the good work!!

Great video, well done, you deserve success!

Really amazing video, glad it was recommended! Subscribed

i’ve been a “silent viewer” for a while now, i’ve always loved the way you critique and just understand. this video was so awesome and i loved it so much and you just really get it!! make more like this!!

I felt zero empathy for Travis Bickle. Joker succeeds in making us care for the villain.

Hot damn man! Great work. Thank you for an entertaining and thought provoking video. I wish there was more of this calibre of content on KZfaq and grateful the algorithm hooked us up. Subscribe button SMASHED.

A thorough and even handed video, thank you very much.

I just finished the video! I liked it, and the quality was very high! Its such a interesting question to discuss and i think you brought so much to make it good and nuanced. Im not very good with words but i can make an attempt. This video kinda feels like when i discuss with mysellf for hours, but instead of me being weird its a human on the other side and the human does a very good job of bringing new info and thoughts into the discussion.

incredible video brotha hope the algorithm gets this one

This. This video is a masterpiece itself. Amazing editing, fantastic visuals, but most importantly, complete arguments with cause and consequence! My man made me watch almost 2h of content without even flinching. I can tell the effort and time it took to be made. Thank you for this movie disguised as KZfaq content!!

So excited to watch ❤️❤️❤️❤️

side note, this is one of the best thumbnails i've ever seen, stellar design

How this doesn't have 100x the amount of views is beyond me. Pehnomenal work!

This video was so therapeutic to my own opinion of the Crown after the recent rewatch 👏 excellent work.

Very good essay!

On a totally non sequitur note - meeptop, you have given me incredibly thought provoking analyses that keep engaged while doing my never - ending chores on the farm 🙏🏽

Found your channel through your analysis of Stranger things, watched it, loved it, subscribed, you make fantastic content, starting this video with excitement!😃🤯💯

this is a wonderful video!!!

Two hour long meeptop vid hell yeah

Miss ya buddy, looking forward to the next video whenever you get it done!

This is my ultimate favourite movie. Thanks for this video.

Great video!

this video is craaazy good it should have like 50x it's views honestly

Don't have much to add other than I loved every second of this🙏🏻

23 minutes in and I'm totally hooked.

2 hours. just what i was looking for

Amazing cold open. Got me. Subbed.

I FOUND THE OUTRO SONG!!! It’s Something’s telling me by Niklas Grabrielsson with Martin Landstrom & His Orchestra !

Say what you want about the ills of the internet, but God, I'm thankfull for the magnificent conetent created by insanely devoded and talented indivuduals for our enjoyment. This is the sort of thing you can happily watch through at least twice and still find new things to think about. Good freaking job! May your channel prosper and may it serve you whichever way you hope for.

It’s insane to me that this is your first video of this length, I can’t wait to see where you go from here

holy fkk that outro is amazing

Just rewatched the movie, now i’m finishing the other half of this video analysis. It’s a chilling movie

Does anyone know what the song during the end credits is?

My man wtf is the final song, pls link

Name of the song in the outro?

Epic analysis and review! The questions and reactions that I had during the video where mostly answered and adressed, but I have a question. And at the end the points you were trying to make became a bit unclear. Still a great format for a video and cool that you went all the way imitating the Joker, without murdering someone;) Now my question, does the whole video reflect, or is an elaboration of the cognitive dissonance you mentioned in relation to The Wolf of Wallstreet? Because I think that exploring that feeling and reasoning backwarts (i.e. Joker and TWoW are endorsing violence) you can reasonably (-; quickly reason that that leads to the assumption violence is interpreted as a solution to a problem. And than the debate is shifted to wheter or not that is the case.

Bro I was so relieved when you said ‘Martin Scorsese’ right after the ‘but first we have to talk about’ 💀 I was like damn I have to find my phone so I can scrub past the ad read. You da best. Loved the video. Great video.

what was that song at the end

Guy talks with his hands so much I’m having a catcher in the rye Holden Caulfield is speaking to me moment. I’m kidding. Excellent videos. I’m glad you popped up in my feed. Valuable insights and I appreciate your vulnerability and transparency in your takes. Watched your midsommar video first and now this. Smashed subscribe and like.

You remind me of Matt Christmans content. You make clear points with such coherence that seem like they were inevitable.

hey i just blew in from your chicken little vid... you ever thought about the cloudy with a chance of meat balls movie (s)...? just thought you might have something to say about it (them)

pardon me for asking, meeptop, but what do you think of M Night SHyamalan's 2000 film "Unbreakable" in depicting a comic book movie as if it were real life?

i will never forget watching joker in the cinema with my family, and specifically watching joaquin phoenix’s performance, and thinking to myself over and over again, “why does he remind me of onision?” idk what that adds to this conversation but i’ve needed to get this off my chest for five fucking years and it’s been driving me crazy

Amazing video, I've subbed. I agreed when you were talking about Arthurs depiction being cartoonishly sad, pulling you away from the intended realism of the film. I eventually came to see this as the unreliable narrators bias and given that Arthur is most likely a sociopath/psychopath/narcissist, it's incredibly common for those types of people to always play the victim, regardless of how villainous they may be and manipulate others into feeling sympathy/empathy for them. If the final scene is anything to go by and we have just been told Arthurs depiction of events, then I feel this extreme and kind of one note depiction would actually be a more likely story we would hear from someone like that than a more balanced, fair and realistic depiction of the events of the story

This movie is an all time masterpiece. Visuals, foreshadowing, interactions all handled with care

excellent video

Meeptop vid critical of Joker, my day complete

commenting cause i know it helps the algorithm promote more great videos like this

What's the song at the end

I like how this as long as the movie you're talking about.

May I ask… WHY are comments turned off on the stranger things video? ♥️

So I wanna know what you think of the dark knight rises incident. I’m pretty close to the end here and you haven’t brought it up once, when I feel like it’s important context for the moral panic surrounding Joker.

Joker: "Be nice to the mentally-ill, or they'll kill you."

why did this video never show up in my subscriptions box. welp i found it now so ill just watch now

About your point on outrage. Anyone can fall into it left or right it’s just easier for the right because a big part of their ideology is appealing to “common sense” which is usually just reactionary outrage.

Well, I wasn't expecting THAT costume change.

This channel will slowly amass compund viewership and grow

Taxi Driver? Joker resembled King of Comedy quite a bit more.

I was absolutely rooting for Arthur once Rock and Roll Pt. 2 came on.

I think the director saying "He is the villain we deserve" for being not empathetic enough, for not caring about others enough etc kind of shows a form of endorsement. Hes not saying what Joker does is good. But he is saying we would deserve it, if it happened. I have met people who i believe could have ended up very violent if they made a different turn at some point in their lifes. And if i imagine them hearing the director say this, i can very clearly understand that they would interpret it as "Yes, i have been treated without care, without empathy. This is what all these people truly deserve". So it is endorsement in that way. But i think its impossible to make any movie about anything remotely "problematic" without some people viewing it as a positive example or as something to strive for. We are all so vastly different and in reality there are people like Arthur, i met some. They have not had a single positive thing happen to them in years, their whole world view is built upon the belief that people are horrible and that they will never have anything good in their life. They are filled with hatred and with feeling like they dont have any control or power. And I know people that have had fantasies like that movie. They didnt do anything violent but they did kind of want to be Arthur in a way. Finally getting "payback". I think movie discussions often feel so separate from reality and with people talking about "oh no, this movie endorses xyz" it just makes it seem so black and white. Either it endorses it or it doesnt. But thats impossible. Every single movie ever made does both at the same time. To me the discussion should be about "do we accept that movies about problematic topics are neccessarily an endorsement?" And if not, what is the consequence?

This is a comment to feed the algorithm. Good job!

This is probably my favorite movie since lord of the rings

This has to be one of the most profound analyses of the film I've seen... Well, ever! One that doesn't deify it as the next best thing since sliced bread. While, at the same time, doesn't simplify the nuance that's actually there. Consider me subscribed!

Going for the full jokerface was a bold choice.

An excellent recent example of this phenomenon is Poor Things. Many audience members felt that the movie was sending mixed messages regarding the sexuality of the character, a character who is a grown woman with the mind of a child for much of the movie. It's very very uncomfortable and camps can not seem to agree whether the movie is endorsing certain ideas, or critiquing them. Especially since typically good and evil characters both take advantage of her.

Follow, nice work mate

brilliant