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Where did you get that? I remember that they ran because they thought someone said that the "Mormons" were coming. What is your source???

I know? Craziness becomes believable through these guys!

Seventh seal has not been opened yet. I don't know where that got started but it's no where to be found in any of our doctrine. We are still in the sixth seal. A channel called gospel lessons goes into better. I actually didn't totally believe him so I went into heavy research mode and found nothing saying we were in the 7th seal. I could have missed something so it's just food for thought 😉😊

Apparently it’s hidden? This is also the first time I’m hearing about it. I’d also like to know.

Yes, I would like to know as well. Have never heard of this.

I think they are thinking of D&C 95:17

​@@kylegarfield8686 Definitely looks like it 😇

He didn’t just say that “some of you would want to kill me”, he said that there are “some, even on this stand” with him amongst the leadership of the church that would be willing to kill him if he were to reveal that information. That is even heavier than people realize.

I think they are referring to the name from D&C 95.17

Truman G Madsen alluded to that in a lecture as well.

Yup💯💯

This is why I disagree with Margaret Barker (and other biblical scholars), PLUS the Book of Mormon clearly uses “he” in reference to the Holy Spirit. Barker and others base their theory in part on the Hebrew word for spirit/breath (it’s the same), ruach (sp?), being feminine, but in Greek, (p?)neuma, it is neutral. The Presence of God/Divine Presence/Shekinah is also feminine in Hebrew, and is often anthropormophized as such. There’s also apparently a bit in the apocryphal Gospel of the Hebrews where Jesus is written as having referred to the Holy Spirit as “his mother” at his baptism. One idea I do like to agree with from Barker and at least one other scholar, is that “Lady Wisdom” (as they have dubbed her) in the creation account in I forget which Psalm, could also be the Mother (and if you look at Heavenly Mother stuff on BYU studies, I think? this connection was also made by an early apostle). “Wisdom” happened to retain the feminine form when translated from Hebrew to Greek (Sophia!), and also into English (and I’m pretty sure statements like “wisdom and her children” are made in the NT, but those could totally be completely symbolic/based on translation (Hebrew has very general pronouns and uses “she/he” instead of gendered forms of “it” for some gendered words). BUT I like to think of Heavenly Mother as Wisdom, or at least wise, and isn’t there “women’s intuition” being thrown around in society? But I believe She has a body and has already gone through a life and resurrection, because God the Father could not be such without a wife, according to our doctrine. So I don’t think She is Mary (also a connection Barker makes, but I haven’t read up on that aspect so I don’t know really much about that theory) as Mary has not yet been resurrected (as far as we know?), and could not have been the Mother with the Father from the beginning if she had not yet gone through a mortal life. Totally sticking with Sophia/Wisdom though 😁 Also have been meaning to get the “Girl’s” and “Boy’s Guide to Heavenly Mother” books by Krishna MacArthur and others whose names I forget… from the church bookstore. Haven’t done it yet though.

Pres Kimbal. 1977 cr our great potential: Millions of us have contributed toward the creation and the development of a spirit, but “the germ of this, God has placed within us. And when our spirits receive our bodies, and through our faithfulness we are worthy to be crowned, we will then receive authority to produce both spirit and body. But these keys we cannot receive in the flesh.” (JD, 15:137.) Again, the powers of heavens. He speaks multiple times in the talk about creating spirit children. He makes it clear, keys to make spirit children are only given to crown resurrected folk. You are right, they are evenly yoked.

Interesting! Personally I don't think as mortals we can comprehend the truth. We are only theorizing what it will be like through mortal eyes. There is another issue with that premise. We are taught that Heavenly Father is the father of our spirits and that we should pray to him. If you say we have different fathers in heaven that creates a problem.

This is pretty wild but makes sense

@@confusedwhynot Christ is also our father through virtue of the covenant. A similar justification can easily be made in this theory

There is also room for another reading which would follow more the Blake Ostler route, which posits a Most High God that was divine from all eternity and that this divinity is shared by the Godhead in a loving, relational model into which we are invited to enter and in which we may participate. It relies on the understanding of intelligences being co-eternal with God, not being created (see D&C 93:29) and the fact that we are of the literal same species as God, and that loving, divine relationship is the end purpose of our being. That is, of course, if I understand the view correctly. But it does reject the creation of spirit children as I understand it, since Joseph Smith used "Spirit" and "Intelligence" interchangeably on multiple occasions. What you are proposing is an ontological difference between us and deity, which I'm unsure is the case. It seems to undermine the invitations/commandments to be "even as I am" (3 Nephi 27:27) and to be perfect as are the Father and Son (Matthew 5:48, 3 Nephi 12:48) and Jehovah's injunction that "ye are gods" (Psalm 82). This while also presenting a difficult reading of being joint-heirs with Christ of all the Father has if not able to be what They are (Romans 8, D&C 84). Not saying you're wrong, just there are still more ways to understand the scripture. It is interesting, though, and one question I'm still working with.

However it works out I'm standing back and letting God be God. I'm pretty sure that my current godhead will always be my godhead though.

Joseph Smith taught this on 27 August 1843.

They are united in purpose. As the Savior says, His actions in mortality reflected the Father's actions when He was in mortality. Our prayers to the Father are reflected to the Savior. That is how we develop a relationship with the Savior. A relationship with the Father is reflected as a relationship with the Savior. The principle of a chiasm is the principle of a mirror; it comes through Egypt as the ankh, in that the way to eternal life is through the principle of a mirror. Our Savior's countenance is reflected on us as we use His Atonement in repentance and in our growth, day by day, and in developing a relationship with our Father, and then through the principle of this eternal mirror, with the Savior Himself. This mirror principle is repeated in many places in scripture, in ordinances, and in world events. The first is last and the last first. The eternal mirrors in the sealing room. The step pyramids. The mikvah washing ritual. Chiastic literature. The center point / reflection point is the main point of the mirror - and always reflects around Christ. 3 Nephi indicates that the only time we pray to the Savior is when He is in our physical presence.

@@lafeharris8471 thanks for your comment. Very useful

@@CraigNewsome. Of course! Thank you for asking!

I try to think of The Atonement as a very personal and intimate experience. The Savior is literally tending to our wounds and healing them. This is a pretty close relationship especially when you consider the gravity of what The Atonement is. He literally walks with us, as do The Father, and the Holy Ghost. It's our job to tune our bodies and spirits, (our vessel/and communication antenna in this mortal plane) to their holy frequency. The scriptures and the words of the prophets our our guide. The ordnances and covenants administered by the holy priesthood is the path. Faith, repentance, baptism, and holy ghost. The plan of salvation. It's pretty cool to think about and then live.

I had this question too. It’s the only reason I am trolling the comment section.

Man of Holiness is one.

I guess the Kwakster was just chatting riddles

I think they are referring to d&c 95.17

I think the boys have a Facebook account.

The 7th seal is opened with a massive earthquake, like landscape changing, California separating, continent rearranging earthquake. When the 7th seal opens, we’ll know about it.

Neat. What was that like, do they have campaign posters in the spirit world? What was your propaganda strategy like?

@@KnuttyEntertainment "Vote LUCIFER, one third the host of heaven can't be wrong." That was mine. "What's free agency ever gotten you?" That one has only gotten more popular through the years. The implementation team is still working on it. "LUCIFER, A Savior You Have To Believe In!"

No, Kris Murphy was!

Uh...

Soooo, born again…?

Also, all until John were translated. (You could say Noah might have been translated of all those others were excluding Joseph smith of course)

My understanding is that we ask God, to have our angels minister to us.

Additionally, who was before John Dee? Does it go back as far as Nephi and Lehi?

John Dee wasn’t a prophet, the world was in the great apostasy at the time.

Well Mary was married to and had kids with Joseph. So I’m gonna say probably not. Especially since Heavenly Mother probably already has a body like Heavenly Father.

@@thexplodenator3007 There are legends passed on in other Christian branches (I'll have to look them up after work, but I've heard them) which claim Mary didn't have children with Joseph even after marriage; this would mean the "brothers and sisters" in the New Testament record were his half-siblings, and likely much older than Jesus since they weren't around to care for their mother. Jesus had to tell John the Beloved to take care of her after He died. And as for having a body, that may not be the deterrent many think it to be. The book of Abraham describes God standing among "these souls [seeing] that they were good," and that Abraham was one of those good souls. If "the spirit and the body are the soul of man," as Joseph had revealed before translating the book of Abraham, that would mean these souls are a group of beings who had been resurrected, owned bodies of their own, and are later described as the "Gods" who created the world. And Abraham was one of them. That would mean others, given as rulers to the "residue" of beings who need testing here on earth, are likewise Godly and came to this world even though they already had bodies and dwelt in glory before. They also condescended to be here, though perhaps not with as intense of an assignment as our Savior carried out. Given this, I don't think it would be impossible for our Heavenly Mother to be one of these.

Remember that polygamy is a principle that does not disqualify one from exaltation. I think Heavenly Father will be okay.

@@MattMorency That is a topic of some debate. ; )

@@SirKn1ght47 :p ;)

Very, likely! 😇

Yes yes yes!

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Lectures on Faith 5:2

Nice theory. I only have one problem with it.

And that problem is..?

Reincarnation is not an LDS doctrine. We only get one shot at mortality