Anakin Skywalker: The Sith rely on their passion for their strength. They think inward, only about themselves. Supreme Chancellor: And the Jedi don't? Anakin Skywalker: The Jedi are selfless... they only care about others.

I loved Dan’s point! If the God you believe in agrees with every single one of your preconceptions, you are really just worshiping yourself. God is perfect. We are not. Worshiping Him should challenge us.

I love this. Satanism is just self worship. Christian discipleship is self abatement. Meekness, obedience, humility

One of Korihor's core tenets was basically 'do as thou wilt': Alma 30: 17 17 And many more such things did he say unto them, telling them that there could be no atonement made for the sins of men, but every man fared in this life according to the management of the creature; therefore every man prospered according to his genius, and that every man conquered according to his strength; and whatsoever a man did was no crime.

"Do you know how many rappers literally in their mansions have parties in their basements and they summon demons?" I love kwaku

Why invite a guest on if you're just going to steam roll them the whole time?

Dan - you are NOT boring! I would have loved to hear more from you. I just subscribed to your channel! I know I’m relatively new here. I am loving this channel. I’m pretty sure Kwaku and myself are the same person 🤣 Cool to know he’s up here in my neck of the woods. This subject is very important to me. My daughter left the church years ago with the attitude that no one can tell me what to do and I am only going to do what makes me happy. What Dan and Kwaku said has hit home from what I’ve heard from my daughter. I feel like this has given me some things to consider and some talking points with my daughter. Thanks for the

Rush was only seen as potentially satanic because of the pentagram they used on an early album called 2112. Their pentagram had one point on top rather than two pointing up like goat horns. Remember, Christians say we are Satanists because we have pentagrams on the Nauvoo temple and inverted stars on the Salt Lake Temple. The pentagram with Rush represented an oppressive government entity that took away artistic freedoms of the people in the story of a futuristic story based in the year 2112. I have what some may call a weakness and some may call a strength; I'm very, very curious, always have been. As a young boy, around 6 or 7, our Halloween curfew was before sunset because of what was said to be satanic animal sacrifices. These animals were drained of their blood. So I was always curious about this. As I grew older I was big into Kiss and other hard rock bands. Later, and still, I'm into Rush. I think they are the best prog-rock band ever to exist. The first time I heard of Crowley was on one Ozzy Osborne's first albums. There was a song named "Mr. Crowley" that questioned what he was trying to do or achieve. Later I found his face on the cover of the Beatles album, "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band". Later I found out about Jimmy Page and Richie Blackmore (Rainbow, Deep Purple) were big Into Crowley and occult religiosity. I can't remember how it all went, but there was a point where Jimmy Page was writing incredible music, but then once he lost his connection with the darkness he relied on, he couldn't write music anymore, and still can't. I also remember seminary teachers really going crazy on music and satanism when I was in High School in Idaho. I haven't done it yet, but I want to show one of my seminary teachers, who I'm still close to, pictures of the Nauvoo temple with the pentagrams on the temple, and compare it to the Rush 2112 album cover and ask him if Rush doing this is worse that the Church doing this. I did some research on religious symbols and the pentagrams, like the cross, has a historical sacred nature. Even the upside down cross that the Catholic Church has been called out on represents the crucifixion Peter. Tony Iomi of Black Sabbath uses cross inlays in his custom Gibson SG guitar, does that make him a proper Christian? I've always thought that pop music is much worse than the hard rock/heavy metal I listened to; especially Rush.

I remember in my 9th grade psychology class, the teacher talked about subliminal messaging. He played Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" backward, and it literally said. "Start to smoke marijuana" in the creepiest way. The teacher wasn't trying to teach us about Satanism, but I will never forget that creepy feeling of it all. (Not saying anything about the morality of using maryjane, but just the sneaky, creepy way of messaging).

Self worship is definitely the new religion, alive and well, pulling people from the church. I know RMs who say their new religion refers to the individual human SELF as the supreme being for each member, and they live their life in worship of self.

Lex De Azevedo published a book in the ‘80’s entitled “Pop music and morality”. He discusses various techniques used in the industry such as the backwards masking, as well as lyrics that glorify occult worship, immortality, etc. If I remember right he also touches on how evil spirits influence the ideation of pop and rock music and how it becomes wildly popular.

I look forward to each and every one of your uploads. I operate a restaurant in rural Ontario, and I like to listen to you while I prep. Your regular uploads are very much appreciated, as you are the only podcast that I listen to.

I like listening to Dan about different outside mainstream topics. Something interesting about Crowley is that he apparently happened to be a big fan of Joseph Smith because he saw him as a fellow renegade and rebel and wrote a novel that included a scene in which a Lamanite angel appeared to Smith. Weird stuff.

It really comes to this. Our celebrities have become the gods of humanity, and so many will sell themselves to the industry to gain fame and money. These celebrities include the professors of our universities have gained that celebrity status also. And let us not forget the criminal who has reached celebrity status as well.

"You sold your eternal soul to the devil?" "Well I wasn't usin it!"

Dan was a great guest. Thanks for an interesting discussion!

Lex De Azevedo wrote a book in the 80's called Pop Music and Morality where he listed examples of music artists and songs that had hidden meanings. I read it as a teenager and agreed with much of what he was saying, but also felt he was pushing it, especially when he badmouthed some of the music groups I enjoyed.

Didn’t put on my checklist rethinking the satanic panic today.

Oh my goodness, I remember being a kid in the 80's and my parents actually played a record( I think it was a Beatles album) backwards but we didn't hear anything weird so we kept listening to our records.. Also, the first casette tape (lol) I bought myself at 16 was Led Zepellin Stairway to Heaven -how did I survive with my faith intact?? But seriously though, It is bad if they really used the quote from Crowley.

That which we surround ourselves with, is the spirits that will be closest to us. Twilight is of the devil

Obviously late to the conversation, but THANK YOU DAN for calling out the far right, too, at 42:40!! I remember learning about the political spectrum in like sixth grade, seeing the definition and examples of totalitarianism on the far right and thinking, “that is Satan’s plan. That’s Hitler and fascism. Why would anyone ever align themselves with that ideology?” Communism/socialism in their pure forms, where councils govern and every voice is heard and everyone helps their neighbor for the betterment of society, and are united in that belief, is totally more the way I believe God intends for things to be. That said, yes the practiced form of communism is just another form of a totalitarian dictatoriship, and is easily co-opted and corrupted by the adversary. The devil lives in the extremes; truth is made manifest in the proving of contraries (as Joseph Smith often touted). In other words: STICK TO THE MIDDLE and watch out for zealotry in ANY form. And remember to love your neighbor, and that blanket bans and restrictions without honest/meaningful consideration for individual situations are usually not good ideas (I mean, compare the condemnation of and teachings against adultery in the Sermon on the Mount with how Jesus ministered to and counseled the woman taken in adultery. Quite different!!) Space needs to be made for exceptions to most (all….?? idk) rules/laws. And also why judgments are often decided by juries who need to be unified in their decision. And why the US government is meant to have checks and balances of power across the three branches, with no one branch wholly greater in authority and power than another. This is also totally why we need ranked voting and not the stupid two-party tyranny. And let’s check how quick we are to slap labels on any group with ideas contrary to ours, and therefore stifling any possibility of meaningful conversation/engendering a hostile environment for finding compromise (you guys have gotten better with this since this was posted, for which I thank and commend you 😊).

King Follett Sermon: You have got to learn how to be Gods YOURSELVES; to be kings and priests to God, the same as all GOD'S have done;

You guys have a good show… But, you bring on guests…and NEVER let them get a word in …

Ultra based guys, dropping lots of information

Brigham Young-“As man now is, God once was” and “As God now is, man may be.

There were a couple of misconceptions in Satanic philosophy during this episode. There is a second part to the law of Thelema, the full law should be read as “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, love is the law - love under will”. Also, followers of Thelema are not always satanists. There is a difference between satanism and Thelema though they have many similarities. As an exmormon and a satanist I’d be happy to answer questions if anyone has some.

My favorite part is at 9:17 when all the lightbulbs go on and Cardon makes the CS Lewis connection.

Brad’s fedora comment had me rolling

These types of things are not new. It started when Cain killed Abel.

Jesus said Thy will be done not mine.. that is the deal laid out plain in the Book Of Mormon! Do Gods will or let Satan pull you down to endless misery!

Triggered by hearing the term Anglo Saxon! Your adopting the langue and rules of the left. America owes it’s Anglo Saxon colonizers, England much gratitude. Much of the privilege you enjoy now living in America, are legal and other systems come from the mother land, also the founding fathers of this country had Anglo roots. Just like many of the advances of England was do to the colonization of Rome. Read Thomas Sowel. Everything the left claims the right is doing or has done generally is what they themselves are guilty of, so please don’t talk about right wanting to control, that’s a leftist value always has been, conservatives want small government and to be left the hell alone. Fun show great job!

MTG did say “return to Anglo Saxon roots” & I get why Kwaku would have an issue with that, a black guy probably doesn’t want to hear that. I didn’t listen to the speech so I don’t know what the context was, I just heard a clip of it. I think it was said in replace of “white” although, I don’t even know if it makes sense Anglo is just English & America had tons of different European cultures blended into it.

So is the phrase "you do you" satanic?

Self-worship is the primrose path to Babylon. But once you're in you get locked into groupthink. Gary Oldman nailed it group think is the end result of self worship.

I think music is extremely manipulative. Look how popular Whitney Houston's song was, "Greatest Love of All." What is the ultimate message in that song? The greatest love of all is to love yourself, not to love God, not to love others, but to love yourself. How do we truly find ourselves? By loving others, not by loving ourselves. Ultimately, by serving others, we become someone whom we can love, indeed. But that's not the message of the song. It was what was used for the processional at my daughter's kindergarten graduation in the mid1980s, at a Montessori school. Crazy!

Lex's book is called pop music and morality in the 80s

Cardon gets it with respect to the difference of ideology from the right vs the left. It is just a no brainer and surprised a debate even exists. Yes, all people of every party has their weaknesses. However, faintly clear what supports the Gospel with respect to the big objectives from the political stances.

Now this is my kinda deep talk!! 💯

Isn't the Thomas B. Marsh story about the milk strippings a warning about not being selfish and into yourself?

Robert Johnson is the first known in the 27 club

Finally talking about Crowley! Been hoping you’d get there some day.

If the veil were removed, the shere number of evil and unclean spirits in and around people would astound us. There are armies of righteous and clean spirits available as well. What we gravitate to by our thoughts, words and actions is what we attract.

The first CD I owned was the self-titled black sabbath album. On a road trip to California my dad asked what I was listening to in my Walkman. When I told him what it was he asked to see it, and then proceeded to throw it out of the fucking window. I know he meant well but it only cemented my rebellious nature, and pushed me further into metal and punk and the lifestyle that follows.

Love the show. One suggestion is to keep putting it up in podcast form.

Aleister Crowley also tried to take over the largest Rosicrucian organization in the world based in San Jose, called the "Rosicrucian Order, AMORC" H. Spencer Lewis, the founder of AMORC, found out what Crowley was trying to do, and banned him. That's a whole story in itself. AMORC is the largest Rosicrucian Order, with an estimated 150,000 - 200,000 members. It's pretty much boiled itself down to a modern day self help organization. Members can attend Lodges, or set up home altars called "sanctums" where the necessary rituals are performed as you progress through the degrees.

I can give you deeper details on led Zeppelin and many other groups including the original Robert Johnson who is the biggest influence on led Zeppelin and many other great guitarists and how he sold his soul at the crossroads in Mississippi.

13:20 that was basically my childhood. The premise of the movie “Footloose” was real life man. We had a lot of lessons and sermons in church about Satanic music back in the day, also the evils of D&D.

Check out this album. The crazy world of Arthur Brown.

Love thy neighbor as thou lovest thyself. If Satan can get you to hate yourself you naturally will hate your neighbor. 🤯 41:23

What exactly is wrong with someone saying that a country founded by Anglo-Saxons should return to its roots?

It was an interesting listening, Mormons do have a naive child like quality in their understanding of the world. Knowledge is Power! This is why I am an atheist, I have the gift of studying all religions without a bias. No belief or fear in God and Satan allows you to know things you couldn’t know while being it. The knowledge presented in this podcast is novice when it comes to knowing anything about Satanic religious sects. From this video they don’t even know the main differences between the largest two - The Church of Satan and The Satanic Temple. The information presented and research comes from a place of fear, and would appeal to a more naive individual.

How does the right want control?

The 27 Club are all dead rockers: Brian Jones, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, and others who were all very successful and died at the age of 27.

"Ironic for Michael Ballam to be doing this" 🤣🤣🤣

Pretty sure I’ve seen a photo of Jay Z wearing a “do what thou wilt” hoodie. That plus the fact that he makes the 🔺sign with his hands in music videos... not good 🫣

Jay-Z, the beatles and many more all in on alleister crowley

10/10 video. I hate being schizo about listening to the Beatles and playing DnD tho 😅

Every comment I preemptively write ends up being covered in the episode. All I got to say I guess is that what’s considered politically as on the “right” (fascism) is really on the left. Fascism, socialism, communism, all peas in the same pod.

You know your man, Lex de Azevedo, Julie Hanks' father, treated his faithful wife deplorably.

How about Anton LaVey?

Kwaku is 100% correct about all this! So is Dan! The 27 Club is REAL!!!!

One of the things that is interesting is, religious dialogue was very popular in music up to the year 2000, but after the music completely turned away from religious dialogue. This happened because nothing happened in the year 2000.

What’s your take on Wilford woodruff being reportedly at Bohemian groves?

Michael Knowles just discussed this on his podcast yesterday! Warnings from a former Astrologist who found God. She talks about all of these things. Especially the self worship.

Had a buddy that is a satanic minister and he said that they use Satan to serve them so ya self worship… he was very nice guy tho just hung from hooks and all that jazz 😂

Try to figure out the meaning of the words to the song "Stairway to Heaven". McCarthy was right about Communism. Lynn Bryson from the group "The Sons of Mosiah" with Al Cherry, use to give firesides on satanic music and can still be viewed on KZfaq. Al Cherry was the Kwaku El of the 1970's in the church.

How does all this relate to Club 33 in Disneyland? 😁😁😁

There is a 27 club, I’ve heard of it too

How bout letting the guest speak🤯

I remember having my mom listen to Stairway to Heaven backwards. She wasn’t very happy about it.

Out of Shadow documentary

Hey every time he starts to tell his story. And you go off in another direction. And it is hard to follow along with what he is trying to tell you add confusion to the message. If you could hold your comments and let him finish

49:53 Kwaku going on kill spree here lol 😂

I think the perfect way to cap off this conversation would have been a discussion about the goodness of the Truth. Jesus Christ has conquered death and hell, and following in his footsteps and accepting him as our master and advocate with the Father is the way to go :)

It's going to grow because it's secular humanism.

I don't know guys. Is midnight Mormons more of a jalapeno or a grape?

More stuff like this

I like your show But I sometimes I feel like you don’t take things seriously. This is a good informative topic that instead of making dumb comments . You better listen more to the guy you’re interviewing and be professional and serious like he is.

TST is atheistic and you should read their seven tenets. Vastly surperior to moral systems found in the Bible or Mormonism.

32:36 Don’t forget the event that might have helped upgrade Provo Tabernacle into Provo City Center Temple 😂

Im getting to the pint where its hard to watch, because this guy has to interrupt through most of the show. Even the other commentators make blank faces when he wont stop.

Dude stop interrupting your guest

CS Lewis’s is boss. Haha

Would you please stop interrupting the speaker. Then you say I am sorry keep going.

Who is a dog.

Cardon, you seem quite naive in this one. Everything that you've seen in movies is happening in real life and has been for centuries. "I will reign with blood and horror on the earth! " and he does. sound familiar?

Uchtdorf didn’t donate to Biden, cmon Cardon

Foosball is of the devil 👹

You even talk against the apostles

So I just read an article that lists 15 musician who died at 27 years of age.

It’s funny to joke about it and it’s important to recognize this evil in society and the church but don’t deep dive into these things, knowing things is important but you can invite an adversarial spirit into our lives which is obviously not good.

I think most people don’t take Marjorie Taylor green seriously

Don't you bash Magic: The Gathering!

27 is the inverse of "the age of man" that's mentioned in 3rd nephi. 72.

I wanna talk about this concept of self worship because I find it telling that religious concepts tend to demonize our human nature and vilify our wants and needs. The church says to give up yourself and go against your own instincts for the sake of the church. This is not healthy, can lead to self esteem issues and harm people. Mentally being told you are broken and need Jesus to be fixed is kind of abusive in my opinion. It’s like advertisements telling us we aren’t good enough without their product. It’s quite clearly to me a breaking down of someone so that they feel like they need what you are selling them. Appreciating and valuing one’s self and appreciating your own needs and wants is healthy and mentally/emotionally empowering. I don’t see the issue in caring about yourself especially in a world that is constantly telling us we are inherently not good enough.

This guy lives in his own fantasy world.

with the teachings of don juan book bro

I find Cardon so annoying. Know what I'm saying?

Cardon you are definitely a republican stan 😆

People that are possesed Know that they are possesed.