All I can think of is getting 200 stuck in a tree or 900 stuck in a tree LOL.

If I had $900 to burn then I'd get the Cidora and I'd buy the DJI Goggles and Air unit from Banggood with the change. #simples

I'd get 4 Iflight Cidora's and crash for days and still have 100 bucks left, instead of the mr steel apex.

The $300 difference is the included magic smoke they preinstall in the ESC.

There’s always the “buy 4 Cidoras for the same price as the Apex for when you explode them on new tricks” option, too. I’ve always been curious about KISS and Steele doesn’t put his name on anything he’s not 100% behind - dude is particular but very in tune with what he’s looking for.

Joshua, put fc and esc from Cidora to Apex, makes is bf, than fly it. And than tell as is that precision flying comes from kiss, or from lighter quad, 2306 more torque motors with light props. After that conclusion, put your favorite cmos fpv cam to apex and fly again and make final conclusion. 💪👍👀🇭🇷 P.S. I don't want to fire 100$ esc with out reason, that is a half of price od BF quads. 🤔

Mr. Bardwell, next step is to build a KISS quad by yourself (and tune it up) and compare it to the Mr. Steele edition one. There's nothing that justifies a 900$ FPV quad (old camera, bad ESCs (people say), +150$ frame without lifetime warranty). If people think that a 900$ FPV quad is going to raise their pilot skills to the top pilots level... think again. At a certain point (when you have reliable equipment), there's no amount of money that's going to make you a better pilot. I can get a Mr. Steele edition quad and I'm going to end face first at the side of a building like with any other quad. Oh, and there are CMOS cameras as fast as the CCD ones now a days. What's the point on using HDO 2 with a CCD camera? You for example. You are doing this 3 batteries per day challenge, with differents quads and your piloting skill are much, much better. Imagine if you practise with the same exact quad all those flights. Mr. Steele is one of the best (if not the best, even if I don't like how he flies) because he has been flying the same quad for nearly 5 years and of course because he dedicates hundreds (if not thousands) of hours to fly. Call it dedication, passion... whatever. As told, I'd love to see you build a DIY KISS quad (maybe FETtec and XING-E motors) and your take on it. Maybe even a "how to build" a KISS quad with the stand alone OSD (can't understand why, because I still remember the Minim OSD wiring and flashing. Nightmare!). (why aren't the spaces between paragraphs working?) (got they working doing double spacing)

Yesterday I decided to throw out all kiss stuff due to their quality management and one day later, you test a Kiss Quad and the ESC blows up. Made my day 😂 Will never put any hand on a Kiss Quad again.

Just amazing to have such an honest quality reviewer in this community 👌

I was driving RC cars 15 years ago. I remember the RC car alone being close to 1000$. The motor 350$. electronics 250$ (for the car). The the remote 400$ ... RC drones are ridiculously cheap compared to that. Which is absolutely awesome .

So $900 quads arrives in a plain cardboard box, offers little more than a$200 one and goes up in smoke at the end. You made a great point here JB. Marketing works. I need an iFlight DC5. DJI now.

Your 3 packs a day look like they're paying off - beautiful flying there Josh

I had the same experience out of my Steele build and I built it while watching Steel's youtube build filed the holes, and still had the kiss ESC fry on the first flight, went with a diatone stack after and it flew amazingly!

There is nothing wrong with buying something because of the brand! If you can afford it, more power to ya! I’m just glad there are more options now more than ever! Also Joshua the beard looks really good on ya! I’m jealous, I can only grow a $200 beard and yours looks like a $900 one 😭

MR. STEELE!!! couldn't be more appropriate of a name! 900 dollars and the esc smokes! He files the holes ....for 900 dollars it better come filed. Hence RTF, 300 dollar part mark up off retail! Which they dont pay! If your trying to constantly push it, hit gaps and new spots your gonna crash (all the time) .....you can build like 4 solid rigs with awesome components for 900, that's insane. I've been flying for 6 years now, my builds get cheaper and cheaper. Tbs source one v2 frame, is in my opinion the best frame for freestyle. Dollar for gram! Great video Josh.

we know where the extra cash is going.. :) Steele has been sporting some pretty nice rides as of late. Good for him to finally cash in on this hobby.

Once you get the mr. steel quad flying again, put a cmos camera in it. I’m curious if the latency makes that big of a difference.

Pandemic times calls for pandemic prices...... I'll go with the $200. I just need to get it pass through my congress "wife*

Worst FPV accident: Joshua shreds a chicken

FPV truism applies at @16:00 folks. The "you dont know what you dont know" saying applies with regard to the secret sauce moments worth paying attention to. This something worth paying attention to given Bardwell does SO MUCH tuning inside of Betaflight. He is comparing the Steele build to his own builds and tuning experience. This is the kind of thing I wish I could see/experience within the FPV realm is getting to fly the various different drones of all the Unicorn/Diety tier FPV pilots. To see what I am missing in terms of tune and finding out if the limits is in the gear/tune or within myself.

I need to watch this video as I'm building up my new build. No shame in taking some design ques from good designs!

your kiss flight indeed looks nicer. you can see the higher trust, you have there. Joshua unleashed. I'm on Fettec (Kiss FW) now and can feel the difference to betaflight also. I immediately started to crawl through trees where I have not been before. Doing things I didn't do before. Kiss feels more direct, faster and calmer at the same time. Big, filed holes in the 4in1- check, big extra capacitor - check, spike absober diodes - check^^

Like others I'm also keen to know what makes the Steele quad feel more responsive. Surely you could swap out components and retest in the name of science! 🤔

Whait a minute! the almost 1K Mr Steele drone burn out in a couple flys?

Those ceramic capacitors fail short circuit when cracked. Usually happens when the PCB is bent or stressed, so it might be very well possible that it had something to do with the way its mounted, also there are always some capacitors that go out of factory underperforming and eventually develop a short circuit.

An extra $700 gets you a zip tie on your xt60

29:16 as ESC burned, please put FC and ESC betaflight compatible to test how it feels to fly :)

You have to file the KISS ESC holes because it is I believe 29.5 X 29.5 and the mounting on the Apex is 30 X 30. You stretch the ESC if you don’t file it down and even more so as the frame naturally flexes it will damage the esc. I have seen this only happen to people that did not file it down and installed gummies. 👊🏽

I would love to see a video where you swap components one-by-one between the quads and find where the biggest gains are in the Steele machine. Just turn the Steele into a Cidora one piece at a time and let us know what you felt....maybe swap those parts into the Cidora and fly them too for confirmation....thanks for all the great work!

Sounds like a very honest review, from whom I expect absolutely nothing less. Great work J Bardwell. 🙂

Best channel for drones on KZfaq! The clarity, in depth explanations and expertise definitely set you apart!

$300 is reasonable for several hours of production quality building and flight testing time. The build does not look like a rushed "bang it out" quality. It requires someone with a particular, technical skill set to do the build, test, and trouble shoot to make it right. I'd say from start to finish charging 4 hours at $75 per hour is fair for a high-end hand-built and flight-tested licensed/signature halo product.

Small history trivia: 3d printing is around for over 40 years. It was like 10years ago that the patents expired.

I have no issue with the Steele drone costing $900. If someone with $$ wants to just buy one ready to fly let them. If you want to save $$ and build your own that's cool too. That's the great part of Capitalism endless choices.

Finished watching... good video! Seriously put a FETtec stack on the Cidora and you will get it to perform almost the same as the Steele build. Stout motors: there is just something about the whole package, they are strangely efficient and the control is ridiculous. But any good motor will perform similar. KISS: The control is out of this world and you hit the nail on the head for some reason with KISS I am more confident, I think it simply has less latency than BF. Apex: Expensive but molded parts are expensive and they are very durable. The frame is very rigid and durable. Stack screws never need to be accessed unless you crack your rear plate. KISS HW: I have no experience personally but I see them blow the magic smoke on video all the time. Go FETtec.

THE MOST Excellent, Professional discourse I've had the pleasure and privilege to have come to watch your production!!! Outstanding Delivery! REFRESHING to hear, see, understand , from such clear communication skills. A pleasure to watch/listen. I am a fan

I am expecting this comment section to be spammed to the moon and beyond with fan boys from either side xD Please let me just say that this has been one of the best comparisons between these two FPV platforms I have seen so far. Thank you JB for doing such an honest and in depth look at each. It is important to remember that the comparisons in this video were between the Cidora and the Mr Steele Apex build, and not kiss vs betaflight. However, I would love to see JB go with this momentum and do what I have always wanted to try, and that is to really do a proper scientific comparison between betaflight and kiss. Because, "The Best Flying Kwad" is a spectrum and not a black and white thing. I am a pilot that has been flying betaflight since I started and I am convinced I can tune BF to fly like kiss, in fact I recently spent more than half my monthly earnings to build a kiss kwad. So once I can get some proper stick time in with that I'm keen to see what I can do with my Cidora to match it. With that said I don't have the means to do what I really want to do, but JB might? JB I think if you are up for this, the only way to make it fair would be to build two identical kwads but on both firmware types and see if you can tune both to what you personally and subjectively view is the best kwad feel. I would love to know if anyone here might have better ideas to test this? I have been drooling at kiss since I started but through the years the firmware gap IMHO has gotten so small... It's just a pitty BF doesn't ship with good defaults (for a good reason I might add but the result is the same). So a tune is mandatory on any BF build (and technically all other builds but if you want the baseline to be a Mr Steele feel). IDK, I might be rambling, any other opinions on this page? SIDE NOTE: Everyone has their input on this probably but I would also like to share that one of the worst things in the Cidora package are those 51 inch props. The amount of response I gained on my personal unit when I put some S3 or S4 props on it was staggering. So that should also help with reaction time, confidence and propwash like what was mentioned. Keep making Awesome videos JB!

Maybe they charge you an extra 300 because of the time they spent putting the screws in the bottom ? :D

I have both and they fly just as well. Apex is a bit shorter and has less room for components, but the package seals together like hand-in-glove. lightness of the Cidora is a definite plus but arm strength leaves much to be desired (while the Apex is nearly smash proof). Really two great frames.

Hey i just wanted to THANK YOU, for all the great Betaflight and drone tutorials you've done and your professional explanations. You can't imagine, how much this helps me, to understand the FPV drone world. I'm a total noob and i managed to solder reciever ,flash QX7 Access transmitter, R-XSR reciever, bind, put the newest firmware on both and also restore my saved data from Betaflight into my drone and also setup failsafe and some other stuff. All this on my first day and the drone is still working properly :-) Thank You.

Catalyst Machineworks will build pretty much any 5 inch quad for $150 in labor. I would rather pay them $150 to build it for me over $300 to GetFPV.

Can you please do a new “perfect quad build”?🚁👍👍

Holy crap the kiss esc popped! Lol. Awesome that you got it on video. I’m sure you being a well know KZfaq guy can get it replaced no problem but getting KIss replacements is like trying to win lotto. I have a stock pile of dead Kiss electronics and I finally stopped adding to the pile.

Yeah... you have experienced KISS. It really does feel different and flies exceptionally well when properly built. The ESC fire was strange, must be a 6S issue in the absence of a capacitor. You should have listened to those who warned you :). I have been flying KISS for 5 years and I haven't had a single ESC fire.

Who else is here in the comments section looking for Steele 🤣

If you have 900, buy a 200 quad and dji fpv system.

In terms of instant responsiveness, I have a video on my channel from my own personal design with the Xing motors (2207) where I caught myself basically instantly. It's the video that's 43 seconds long. I'm still very new to the hobby, but as an engineer, I think that matching the right prop to the right motor is more important.

Hey! Abrasion resistance of TPU is usually higher than that of other more rigid polymers as ABS, PS, etc

I guess Mr Steel won’t be your friend anymore 🤣

"lets talk about motors, i feel like i'am going to piss someone off" "Better to be pissed off then pissed on" \m/ X_x \m/

Really enjoy your skillful choice of wording to describe the comparison of the two. Great job JB. I want one of each!

That confidence with Stelle's quad was KISS. I had the exact same experience with my first KISS quad.

so would you say the iFlight is a good learning drone, as opposed to spending $900 right away?

Hey Joshua, if you ever get around to it I would be interested if your feeling changes if you swap the cameras or do a CCD vs CMOS comparison. Also, is there big differences in the available CMOS cameras or are they all similar in latency?

I fly KISS on a runcam eagle micro and HT Freestyle motors and its definitely not the camera or even his motors. Its the throttle control. Kiss throttle control in unparalleled. I didn't even think about how important it was until I flew KISS. I have builds running F1, EMU and KISS and you can tell the difference. I pull out the KISS setup when I need the most confidence in a really bad flight idea lol.

I learned something today! Stop buying random components and wasting time building. Buy cidoras bnf, throw crsf in it and spend more time sending it for less money! thanks JB

Steele camera have really low latency for CCD(14ms and usually they have 33ms), but there a lot of CMOS cameras with less latency, as I remember predator 4 have min latency 4ms. So latency of this camera is just average.

the iflight would be my choice

Nice to watch someone who clearly knows what he is talking about. Nice job! As far as the $300, It's not that unreasonable. You said if you know what you're doing it would take a bit over 2 hours. Call it 3 hours, cause you have to deal with it, set it up, test it, etc. That's $100/hr for labor. What does your car mechanic charge you for 3 hours labor?

I have been flying KISS since the Very first 24 amp ESCs came out, and I can say that caps do make a difference on KISS builds, as I'm sure that they do on all builds. I've tried them with and without..... They catch on fire eventually either way haha! I will never switch though, I just stay away from 4-1s, they ALWAYS fail.

done, buy cidora with your link.

The cheapest one xD I cant even put the 200$ actually lol

We don't fly builds like these (we an in hubby and I) as we fly race builds for our freestyle ships and just tune them for a more freestyle-ish feel. We are so used to really light and very high powered builds and these heavy freestyle ships just don't appeal to us. I gotta say this someone we know bought this Steele build a while back and i just flew it. I was shocked (we do fly true freestyle builds here and there) at just how amazingly crisp it flew. We are very used to having huge power on tap on the race type builds (we don't fly HD cams, we fly them just as we race them BUT with a much different tune) but was totally shocked at how a heavy build with a Gopro didn't seem like there was any lack of power. It's super locked when flying fast and low dancing through a pine tree farm.. It's super poppy off zero throttle, prop wash handling is superb (we have a lot of time on KISS from back in the day and KISS has always handled prop wash amazingly well even on tunes that aren't totally dialed) when really snapping it around and getting it in dirty air. Im sure some of how crisp the dirty air handling is has to do with number one the super low load props (he had S3s on it) along with KISS and 6s torque.. I can say this 100% this build flies AMAZINGLY but in NO WAY is it worth 900... I don't care the name behind it and how perfect it's built and so on and so forth.... Its a premium product and that it is but its a very over priced premium product. If you want a world class flying quad out the box it is exactly that but again 300 dollars will buy you that all day long. The only reason i can see buying this is that you want to support getfpv and Steele.. If you want to put some cash in to keeping the US hobby stores alive during bad times and help Steele then by all means buy it. We really do need to make sure the USA vendors are taken care of and putting some cash in to the pocket of a big name in the sport that helps draw in more people... For those reasons yes it's well worth 900 dollars but if your spending 900 and thinking that it flies better then anything else and its 900 because it's just worlds better then sometjkng you can build your self for 250 bucks then your wasting your money it is not that.

What a brilliant video...... You've clearly put loads of work into this.

Not gonna lie, yeah I was impressed...by the lack of quality of Steele’s 900$ quads, they’re just not really up-to-date and completely overpriced. Even my basic 250€ quads are better and far more robust, the only thing it does best is keeping that weight down, which is pretty cool, but it ain’t worth that much. Also can’t believe Steele’s quad failed with such a basic thing as electronics at 24:00 ; that’s why I always put capacitors on the ESC. Doesn’t matter if it flies well out of the box, as it gets some bumps and motors get damaged, voltage spikes become more frequent and u better have some capacitors installed to better absorb them. If it were a 300$ quad, It’d be a fine quad as long as we don’t take the electronic failure into account, but being so overpriced...for me It’s been quite a disappointment :/

Iflight should just stick to motors and frames, their escs aren’t bad but the FCs are really hard to deal with.

When ever I'm not sure about something drone related there is only two places I go here and uavfutures All of my drones have been built around these channels... Thank you for your content and your love of the sport and hobbie. 5/10 fpv freestyle is my go to when I'm feeling down and out Just gets me away from reality, makes me feel free Pulled my old drone out like two days ago after about eight months of storage, honestly I was scared to fly her again. But feels good to be back in the air and now I've got several months of videos to watch and go through. Thank you from Australia 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

My first quad was a Diatone GTM530 for about $210. Flew great with little prop wash, and I was able to tune that out. Super durable too with a beefy cage and super thick arms. For the price I paid I couldn’t be happier for a first quad. Getting ready to build a dedicated freestyle from a remix V2 or BangGod.

Tried a Mr Steele kiss v1. Flew great but not worth the cost imo. To sorta closed source feeling compared to beta

Neither, get the new T-Motor FT5 BNF with T-motor frame, stack and motors, Caddx Ratel, RushTank VTX then chuck the running gear in an Apex frame.

I have to agree on the motors.

One comment about the difference in the plastics. I have used 100's of different quadcopter bits that were 3d printed out of pla, petg, nylon, and tpu. In my experience, nylon is a good choice for parts that are going to need to protect things underneath them, such as canopies. But I have had tremendously better experience with tpu being the more resilient option in most cases. For example: I purchased 2 sets of the nylon kwad skids from rotor riot for my quads. Both ground away to nothing in no time flat. I began printing my own out of tpu, and I have not ground any of them away... Like, at all. The worst thing is the thin parts that screws pass through tend to stretch if they're not thick enough to not tear in crashes. If the tpu is more than 3-4mm thick, it would take a tremendous force to tear it. I'm also not saying that the Steele bits aren't as good or are worse than tpu. I'm simply saying that If the bits are designed well, tpu can last a much longer time on a quad than nylon, depending on the need. This is mostly FYI for you, Joshua, since I have 2+ years of 3d printing on you. PM me sometime and I'll happily swap info with you on all thing 3d printing/designing for quads, and I'll help you better understand what I mean. Keep up the amazing work! You're an invaluable addition to our awesome community!

No smart audio for 1000$ you gotta be kidding me!! Entry level 150$ eachine and arris have it standard wow.

I'd pick the one I build myself for $150...steel stuff is too hot way to hot sorry

It definitely shows in the flight footage that Steeles quad done what you said. You hit lines in your garden that we rarely see you do haha

I honestly think you flew the best I've seen on the Mr. Steele rig. Fly it on 5s, instead of 6s. It will be happier and there's still plenty of power at that KV.

900 for an fpv quad is a rip off

I would totally buy a 900 dollar quad if I KNEW it would never blow up or fry a motor. ... But then here we are, and the 900 dollar quad blows up just the same as the 200 dollar quads we all fly. So why should I ever get a 900 dollar drone?

Lol, that ending. For a minute there I felt like I was in a 90's stoner movie as the stereotypical "guy on the couch". Except, in the fridge... :')

Seeing how it comes. Ive changed my mind about it being worth 900. Flys amazing. Best thing ive ever seen u fly. But too many loose ends out the box for 900 tag.. Cheers for this.

Who else loves Mr. Steele?😍

all these kiss haters i've been flying kiss for 3 years now never had a kiss product fail on me i think the fails are coming from ppl who dont know how to build KISS products properly

Nice honest review. I have both. After flying them I agree with your assessment 100%. However, I believe that only pilots with more experience would appreciate the differences between the two. Yes the Cidora is that good. For the new Pilot, buy yourself a Cidora, swap in a Cadix Vista and buy yourself the DJI goggles. You will still have enough left over for a spare CIdora when you smash your first one....Which you will do. Just my opinion.

Diggin the quarantine beard J.B.! quarantine has proved to me that every guy looks better with more facial hair

U know man, you are the reason i got into fpv. I appreciate ur work and knowledge. Btw I built my first Cidora quad and am super happy with it it worth the money and effort. Cheers!

Thank You Joshua for your super honest and informative feedback!!!

I been flying Betaflight for almost three years. And I hate the tunning trivia that goes into tunning different sizes of quads on Betaflight firmware. Dont get me wrong! Much respect for the Betaflight dev's and all the work they have done putting in new options so you can fine tune your quad even more than before..But on the same hand it has made tunning more difficult..At least for me it has..With that being said..I love building though..So recently i bought the new fettec 20x20 stack and activated the Kiss firmware on the FC & 2400 Shot on the Fettec esc. I haven't figured out the osd firmware yet for the DJI air unit. But I have flown the quad on stock pids. And I can say after flying Betaflight for nearly three years. The feel of Kiss firmware is something special. I cant wait to get the osd issue solved for the DJI because I'll be flying Kiss a lot😀

One of your better vids. Entertaining and informative. Great flying.

Ok, it's 2022 and $900 for an analogue 5' is still insanely expensive, even with inflation!

24:07 well, if Flyduino would actually make the spacing holes to 30.5x30.5 instead of making it 30x30 this would not be an issue. I mean common, filing the ESC out for a $100 plus 4in1 that isn't rated for 6s, no cap, and 30v rated MOSFETs, doesn't come with correct sized holes, and not soft mounted is just silly. Honestly I'd swap the KISS 4in1 for something else due to unpredictability of them going up in flames. I have not one, but ten dead ones in a box. $1000+ gone and down the drain.

I know this is an old video but have to do this: No there isn’t a “ton of profit in this” I will go crazy and say they save 40% off of retail for parts (which it is probably closer to 20-25%) but I’m exaggerating for effect. That increases what you call profit (which it isn’t) from 300 to 538. That is a 38% material cost for the product. Labor costs at minimum are 40% and labor benefits and payroll taxes are (depending on state) usually around 30% of that. Which means labor costs for that product are roughly 52%. That leaves 10% of the retail left ($90). We have not paid for building costs(maintenance/rent/phone/internet/electricity)/shipping/insurance/marketing/IT or the important tax man and business fees to operate. Profit is not retail cost - cost of physical material. No matter what the business the highest cost for producing is LABOR. Doesn’t matter if it is a vehicle/food/furniture/computer. And again for effect: highest cost to produce something is the labor behind it; you want something for cheaper labor is being taken out by use of robots. But there is a “ton of profit in this”

I been flying the KISS 4in1 ESC pretty much since it first came out & can also say, never had that happen to kiss 4 in 1 (Well I have burned one but that was from my own up all night till 5am building stupidity 😂)... Unlucky there. As far as actual frame durability goes, Apex is the most durable frame I’ve ever flown. My prototype Apex test frame (I was one of the test pilots for ImpulseRC during the Apex development ) is still going strong for over a year of abuse now with nothing but the expected cosmetic grazes, chips, nicks and a bit of delamination damage to the tip of one of the front arms from smashing into a rock after diving from a cliff. Arm still structurally good even after that heavy impact (And prototype arms were actually a bit thinner & lighter than the final production version) I know my Alien arms wouldn’t have survived an impact like that and Alien was a tank. Apex is quite exceptional in the thought that’s been put into it, it’s very apparent when building it. Apex was designed around KISS Components & TBS 5v unify, the placement of that particular VTX isn’t a problem as it simply just plugs/unplugs to pigtail connecting it to the ImpulseOSD board behind the camera so top plate can easily be removed completely and out of the way. You missed that there are also strain relief holes either side of front bottom plate for extra xt60 placement options. I do understand you’re just comparing as they come in RTF form though. So in regards to that, I would agree in your conclusion that it would be insane for really anyone to spend $900 on an RTF. 99.99% of pilots shopping for an RTF have no need to spend that much & the rest of the market would just build it themselves. Though as a professional tradesmen in my day job, I think the $300 mark up difference you’re questioning is quite fair when you consider labour (time, effort & workmanship) costs in the USA compared to labour costs in China. I’m imagining the RTF Apex is built in-house by Get FPV staff and the iFlight built for peanuts in some Chinese factory. That’s probably worth a mention. Would really find it interesting to see you do an actual frame review & build of the Apex to you own specs and compare building & flying it to your favourite daily driver.

I just got Multirotorverse to send me a frame/esc/fc/motors/vtx/props. I've never built a quad (I can fly a whoop well) I watched Joshuas vids and set it up over 3 nights. It cost me $400 AUD as I had a camera. THANKYOU JB your videos are pure GOLD MATE. As for the Apex. Well you got to be good enough to notice how good it is. Smoking its Esc?, very dissapointing. You could order 2 Cidoras and a load of batts for that coin - by the time you've thrashed killed them you'd be getting good at flying!!!.

I have both and don't fly the sl5 at all, the apex is just rock solid and super smooth. I did build it myself instead of the BNF. I also don't run a cap and all is well so far. $100 an hour is on par for how business runs now days having to pay all the taxes and issuance on employees.

time to get an apex hd frame setup with dji/betaflight and compare the how it fly's against the ccd version

My catalysts machine works raging droner or slam nasty with t motor indestructible esc and motors can be built for almost half the price. I'm sure it's amazing but definitely aimed at newcomers. I love betaflight. Excellent video JB

Awesome review! I’d love to see something exactly like this but for the DJI compatible RTF kits that are available. GetFpv has a Lumineer and a Xilo, RotorRiot has their Skyliner. Love to see some direct comparisons.

I wanted to build the Mr Steel quad and his parts were NEVER in stock!!! I would comment on his videos that his crap is always sold out and some other commentators would assist provided some 3rd party websites where I could find his brand but something still always sold out! I finally backed out of this goal when I read several bad reviews on his ESC boards smoking up. I don’t like the guy, but he sure knows how to market his brand!

Once I was offered three Snap On Hydraulic wrenches for $240.00. I bought a complete set of Harbor Freight wrenches for $19.95. Lets see, if you break one wrench from Harbor Freight Every year, you could buy 12 sets. That would last for twelve years, and most of your money remains in your pocket!

Still watching but I say both will be fine but the key is to stick with one setup and fly until you have mastered flying it. That is the key to Steele, he has run basically the same gear for years. I flew many different quads my whole FPV life so far and even though I have been flying about the same time as Steele he is of course far and away better. Steele doesn't sell his build to rip people off he sells it because many people think its the gear that makes you good and if they only had exactly what Steel uses they will be good pilots. I think the price proves it, he is trying to get people to source their own parts and learn but lots don't want to so give them what they want.