"Whats your budget" "No what's you're budget" "No what's YOUR budget?" "No u."

I feel like these videos empower people. Sometimes job hunting is so demoralizing, because these companies always try to make it feel like it's a honor to work for them. When these companies would be nothing without there employees. I love how you turn the tables on these guys,

When the recruiter says "I'll keep your resume on file and look out for any other opprotunities" - 50/50 that's recruiter speak for "you just wasted my time"

I love how he's completely uninterested that you teach code. Meanwhile that's probably one of the most important things because it shows you have a deep enough understanding to be able to teach it. Also I've heard some not so great things about that recruiting company, but I suppose it's not the worst.

These types of videos are better than just talking about interview.

Recruiter interviews are not "real" interviews. They are trying as hard as they possibly can to like you so that they can suggest you to companies, and if you happen to get hired they will make a generous commission. They don't really care about your personality/character flaws, cultural fits, or anything like that bc once you get hired it's not their problem. They don't have to work with you every day.

It's annoying when they already have your resume handy and still asking for your education

Everyones saying how rude he was, he wasnt though. He was very straight forward with the guy giving him quick information. Plus the recruiter was so dry, like 0 emotion. I've had almost this exact conversation several times, and you just have to play their game. You did good Joshua, it's really cool to show people what to expect and how do deal with recruiters.

Developer: "I wrote Ruby on Rails" Recruiter: "We're actually looking for a more senior candidate for this position...."

If you think there is a small difference between $90k and $120k after taxes, then you don't understand how our tax system works

I highly discourage working with random recruiters. I think it's best to just apply directly and go through the company's own recruitment process rather than working with 3rd parties

This was a great vid. Thanks! I have been coding for ever but the recruiter relationship is the one that I still find a real challenge! Thanks! More like this is freakin brilliant!

Recruiters are honestly hit or miss. They either generally are rooting for you and do everything in their power to help you, while others just try to get their commission cut.

Hearing this helps calm my anxiety about these calls and give me confidence while applying

Summary- He is determining if a company is right for him just as much as they determine if he’s a right fit for them.

I kinda discovered your channel recently but I am hooked up with your mentality Josh. Keep doing those videos man, you are a wise dude for your age.

I'm pretty sure that part about 120k vs 95k being the same take home is way wrong, tax brackets are progressive so if you move up a tax bracket only that part of your wages are taxed at that bracket, like if the brackets are 75k-100k 30%, 100k-150k 40%, and ur making 150k only 50k will be taxed at 40% 25k at 30% etc.

Yes, Josh, this is very helpful. I sometimes don't know how to strategically handle recruiters in certain situations. Will be happy if you bring more videos like this! :)

That's an amazing lesson Josh, you took control, Some bad ass answers,

its been a week that i have started to follow you and i really find your channel very intersting .keep up the good work sir,one like from me.

I do not understand how people can dislike such an informative video. Thanks Joshua for uploading this. This helped me out a ton with handling a phone interview and negotiating salary/benefits.

I hate when they're looking at my resume and ask me the same information I already provided. Don't waste my time

In Salt Lake City, Utah, take home for $95,000 is gonna be around $67,000, for $120,000 it's gonna be like $83,000 or more. If you did the math at scale the tax increase is only adding around an extra $2,000. Point being don't hose yourself with false information, you'll lose out on a lot more than 25 dollars.

"My minimum? 500k bruh! ... I can program all the languages ... I only work remotely from anywhere on the globe, so I'll need them to guaranty a travel budget of an additional $888,000/yr. ... Fullstack bruh ... Ok, so you go back and tell your client the search is over. ... Great, I'll need that in writing, and I'm not signing anything for them. ... My first-year company car must be a matte black Ferrari. ... Ok sounds good, talk to you soon."

Hey Joshua, I'm a software engineer with many years in the business, here is some advice if you'd like it. I wouldn't strictly call this an "interview", but I will discuss this as if it was an interview situation: First, you never want to talk poorly about the company you currently work for when you are asked "Why are you leaving your current job?" It is a question designed to detect if you will badmouth your employer, but more than that, it is an opportunity to show that you know about the company you are applying to. When you are asked this, you should spend very little time on why you dislike your current environment and a lot of time on why you think that this company would provide an ideal environment for you. Second, you say "I can fill multiple tech stacks". This is something that every developer knows, but is not explicitly recognized (especially by HR). Once you know one or two stacks, you have the skills to continue with (mostly) any stack. That is why you should research the tech stacks you think are best and apply to those positions. This way you can limit the amount of research needed to get a software engineering job while eliminating jobs that, quite frankly, you don't want. Finally, avoid recruiters like this guy. There are so many tech companies that getting an interview isn't difficult, and is definitely not worth the cut that these people take. Good luck on your job hunt, hope it goes well!

Hahaha "I wen't to school in Finland, it was dark a lot."

I love the ever growing mission behind your channel, Josh. This is the the knowledge no one else has, or if they do, they're not sharing! Been a sub for a long time--I just rarely comment outside live chat.

Who's being interviewed here, you or the dude on the other end?

Really enjoyed this type of 'real interview' videos! Way to go, Joshua! I actually think the head hunter sounded like a nice guy lol

this vid is exactly what I'm looking!!! I'm moving to the US and wondering what an interview here looks like. This saves me days just googling these shit! Thanks so much Joshua!

Thanks for posting these man. I'm currently going to start applying for my fist web dev job and these interviews are helping a ton!

Requirements: “We are looking for a web dev with Wordpress”. Interview: “Solve this data structure exercise. Then interview with 4 devs they just want to know you”. Devs: “What is you fav design pattern? Are you a NASA engineer? What is infinity plus the circumference of an atom?” You: “Forgot how many exceptions names the language have...” Company: “This guy is garbage, next!”.

These are incredibly unpersonal and unspecific boilerplate questions. Just going through the motions.

I feel like what is most sad about this is what it says for Rails. In 2011 I distinctly remember recruiters being *shocked* that 1-year experience developers from Pivotal were commanding salaries of $120,000. (At the time a "general" starting salary for most non-Engineers I knew in NYC- lawyers, doctors, media professionals- was around $80K/year). Then from about 2012-2014 Rails developers' salaries seemed to skyrocket- way, way up to $200K/year+. Now it appears by 2018 the salaries have come crashing back down again. I think this video is great and I appreciate you sharing it. What I can relate to most is the tediousness of the questions- I've had many conversations like this- and how much it constantly sounds like the recruiter is totally putting the applicant into a box. And they are. There are some tactical errors you made here: Don't tell them any "low number" - not up front, not after they tell you their number, not ever. There is no "low number" - that's just a game he's playing with you. Don't tell them the number what "you need" or "you want" or "you dream about" - this is all amateur nonsense and both you & the recruiter spend too much time engaging with it. The answer to the "how much" question is always the same: what's the *value* of my work to the company? That might go up or down, and that's the scary part (for both sides), but it's the only true number and the one you should be focused on. The other tactical errors are that recruiters have completely NONSENSE concepts about "doing it every day" and "number of years" and you made a tactical error by telling him you had done Rails a while ago and don't do it currently (Or rather you teach it currently.) The number of technologies we touch in our careers is vast and recruiters have a little concept of what qualifies someone for something or what expertise is. You need to do something for 10,000 hours to be an expert. IF you're on the phone with a recruiter: Just say "I've done it for 10,000 hours and I'm an expert." (And then show them examples.) Doesn't matter how, when, how long, when you started, when you had a gap, whatever. None of that matters. The only right answer is "I'm an expert in this, here's how I can HELP your client NOW, and here's an example of how I was great in the past." Just literally ignore what they say and keep saying this like you're in a political debate and it's your talking point.

This was super insightful bro. I've learned so much. Don't wanna sound weird, but man your videos and insight are truly a blessing to my life. "Learn from the wisdom of others" or so I've heard. Keep doing what you do Josh, it really helps.

Just now noticed your merch. Super excited to buy CONST HUSTLE a hoodie woo!! Thanks for sharing all the super useful info. You're making the world a better place, my dude.

Let me start by saying headhunting and recruiting has a legitimate function, but headhunters and recruiters are largely like realtors. Most of them are absolutely just really bad at their jobs. I've done a lot contracting over the past 10 years and can spot a bad one in a minute. If they ask you questions you have already provided answers to, if they read verbatim off the job description, if they go around in circles saying absolutely little of substance, if they are evasive when you ask basic questions like employer (their client), pay range, etc, then move along.

Wow, that was the most unprofessional interview from the requiter side that I have ever heard. The interviewee also seemed very uninterested, lol

Thank you so much for this! It's super helpful to compare experiences.

I am always brutally blunt about my wage and it works wonders! I tell all of my recruiters this: "Look I know my expertise is valuable and my experience is rare so let's get to the hard part which is salary, I don't want to waste anyone's time so let your client know my starting rate is 120k a year without signing bonus for a full-time position" I know it will feel really weird to take a stance like this and be this blunt but I am at a 66% success rate (got accepted in 2/3 jobs) and negotiations take no longer than 1 call and 1 meeting on average. DISCLAIMER: This is what I do with 12 years of experience in my field and 3 major senior positions on my resume and 1 successful exit, If you're able to provide the value companies are very willing to drop the cash.

1:51 someone who is experienced in Ruby ..... and rails... LOL

120 for Ruby on Rails in 2019? Where can I sign up

That's cool that you put this out there, gives me more insight on how to deal with recruiters. I get a few of them that reach out to me weekly, we usually communicate via email but I may start calling them directly.

That's not a recruiter, that's a head hunter.

Lol kinda passive aggressive and you look very uninterested, surprised the recruiter kept talking to you.

Wow, so calm and confident. I wish I could be the same👍

This was me 3 years out of school. Then I changed my number!

As a recruiter, the first 10 seconds of the call was hard to hear lol Very helpful to watch this video and hear this conversation from a Developer's perspective. It's important to me to make an effort to be HUMAN on the phone. Not an HR Robot. Thanks Josh!

Love your work. What I love the most about your work is how you're not clout chasing after those high tech companies and bringing people in to watch your channel like clickbait. You've created your own lane. I'm seeing ex high-tech employees talk about high-tech companies all day every day and what you're doing is consistently doing what you do best. Keep up the good work!

"I went to school in Finland. It was dark a lot."

Hey Joshua, love the videos. I am.from Canada and job market here is very very competitive. Sometimes the recruiters call when they are looking to fill a position and if they think you might not be fit for the role they just ghost you. Sometimes these calls are just filling up their data base.

Overall a good channel man. Glad to see it is growing

It’s great you are being transparent with recruiters and exposing their BS 👍

Cybercoders. You said that more than once in the video. Censoring it was funny XD

Incredible information man this helped out an aspiring programmer

I think both parties in this call did a fine job. But mainly there was a lack of rapport. It's better when the recruiter has already seen your LinkedIn and is recruiting for a specific well-known company because then both parties are more interested. I thought it was weird when the recruiter asked some questions that the resume should have addressed.

I am a dev too and recruiters have just become an annoying part of the industry that we all have to get along with. Finding the right devs to fill the right roles is hard. I briefly worked at a company trying to disrupt the recruiting industry with a tech solution so I had a bit of insight into just how varied and hard to find developers can be. This is why the salaries and incentives have gone up so wildly. Yes, more and more people are joining the tech industry, but the tech industry is growing faster than the workforce an accomodate. Companies, especially startups become restricted by being unable to find the right candidate. Sometimes an unfit dev ( not a bad one, but one with the wrong skillset) can be worse than no dev, especially in the startup world where your first 10 employees can make or break your company. In short, they are a necessary evil. Nobody likes dealing with them but it is what it is.

Whenever I ask a recruiter about estimated salary range and they come back with "What would you want?" I end the conversation or give a ridiculously high number.

You got some crazy subsurface scattering going on with your right ear. Cool shaders bro.

Thanks dude.. glad I subbed to u

I’ve been a desk jockey for years, and this was a decent call. My assumption is that guys been behind the desk for 1-2 years.

Thank you for sharing this, really interesting :)

Very valuable info here thanks a lot dude.

I love your skepticism. It's warranted.

Hmm, when they tell you the average is 120, you do NOT say you’re currently at 90. Also, if they ask if you’re looking? You’re not, but you’re always open to opportunities (someone pointed this out). Finally, if they say Ruby, go fucking get it. Tell em 115-150+ variable + equity and you’re a beast

The recruiter wasted your time continuously talking your ear off about essentially nothing. But I see your point about this video Back In 2017 I got a call from a "recruiter" from Amazon who talked my ear off for an hour !!! In the end wasted my time and didnt give me a chance. Recruiters only see resumes and numbers not people.

Need more videos like this.

Thanks for sharing Joshua. I personally hate dealing with recruiters who are not part of the company I'm interested.

I actually started recruiting to try to address the experiences I had been recruited for. There's a variety of personalities that enter that industry. Like the gold rush for lost professionals, and when they fail this role - they become career coaches. Have a passion for an industry, dive in and experience it, later if you still want to be relevant give back and align professionals with companies who do not have capacity or cycles to attact the right people with value.

I can't help but notice how generic that recruiter is. I've been having that same chat with recruiters for 5 years, and not one of them ever gets back to you. That type of chat, I only get with new recruiters that don't know how to play the numbers. Now, the calls go more like this: "Tell me a short bit about what you did, why you got into mobile, and what you're looking for" but like, 5 minutes... then "What is your salary requirement" then you play the keyword-matching game so they can schedule interview #2. If it goes longer, it's usually them saying "I got nothing but I'm too shy to cut the call." Enfec is the only company that asks the above via email, literally everyone else wants that phone call... so you'll have the same phone call two hundred times in a year.

Can you do some videos of how to find coders for startups. I’m personally running a startup in NYC, I’ve found a very talented back end coder but I still need another for the front end. Like what are they looking for in equity/just anything that can help my views grow

Don't know shit about coding yet but will keep this video in my favorites to rewatch again in a couple years.

lol. i never ask for a specific number anymore. some places say i'm worth 60k for a first SE job, some switched gears when i asked 110-120k, others didn't bat an eye for 140k so i was like clearly none of these ranges are standard. just let them come up with the numbers first.

when he said "hope this video wasn't helpful" he actually meant " !hope this video wasn't helpful "

Good advice for any trade. One caveat is that sometimes you can get the recruiter to work on your behalf also if you are careful.

nice video man ) Greetings from Kyiv

I live in sweden and got offered a 150k/year salary in the bay area. Couldn’t accept it because my whole life is in sweden and it’s complex moving to the states + the benefits in sweden are better. When you are attractive in the market, you are the one asking the questions. This dude did it correctly, some recruiters just bs so he has to be passively aggressive with him. Cudos to you mate!

that recruiter was actually pretty good he got a lot of good info and was pretty decent about everything

Great video Very valuable. Recruiters often spend too much time trying to get the commission and not enough time being great at what they do.

Loved the video

This video was genius and very helpful

Bro i have had thousands of these interviews, the bottom line is they never work out. I am just glad it is not an Indian recruiter lol

This was so fucking helpful you have NO idea... Thank you 🙏🏾

I have been following your channel recently. Great content man! I do see a lot of negativity in the comment section for some videos. Hope you don't take them personally and find fault with yourself.

Can you give us update on your google interview?

"Ok!"

great videos thanks ... i have the same experience here in montreal, canada..

Good video man!

One thing to keep in mind around income bracket differences. While you will pay more taxes on the higher income you can offset that by putting it into your pension. It wont affect local taxes, but should reduce federal taxes (if it works similar to the UK that is). Just means you can build your pension pot faster when on a higher income.

if hes saying they pay 120 then why are you asking for upper 90s? you say 135

Thanks again!

Interesting vid. Thanks for posting. Were u ever in the job market whem it was a buyers market? Call might have gone a little differently?

You know how you exaggerate a little bit on your resume, ya well Companies do that where ever they can slip it in usually, huge companies also do this.

Good thing Utah is a single party consent state.

Oh man, i am getting ready to join the working world and i am nervous about these interviews

man i've had this call probably a thousand times. its painful to listen to. the second they realize they can't make a quick dollar, most will go into auto-pilot and you'll never hear from them again. this reminds me to flag a few recruiters to not talk to again, so I don't forget. I used to keep a spreadsheet way back, it helps track which recruiters do this so you can route your services through vendors that actually will work for you, provide training, support, mentoring.

I see that the the question of ''being authorized to work in the US'' comes up quite often in similar interviews. Is there a chance of getting hired if you're a foreign national?

:45 why is that “bro, cmon” ? It seemed like a perfectly reasonable response

Lol...that whole cat and mouse game about the range. Sounds just like many recruiters that I've talked to.

In many states, you are now not allowed to ask your current salary. Opens up the playing field. There’s some recruiters that do it strictly for the money and others who are genuinely trying to help candidates and clients better their situations.